Give me one reason why communism is bad.
>>72564798
Doesn't work.
>>72564798
How about you give us one reason why it's good except for "looks good on the paper".
>>72564809
/thread
back to shitposting
>>72564798
Dilma
>>72564809
It's literally never been tried though.
All that has been tried is state capitalism.
>>72564798
in theoretical Communism everyone is at the bottom
in practical Communism everyone is at the bottom except those who rise on top of the others
Communism offers slaves not freedom but to make their masters also become slaves. Yay now everyone is a slave! Equality!
>>72565056
There's a reason why it has "never been tried properly"
>>72564798
Because man will always have ambition and a drive to elevate himself amongst his peers for glory, wealth, fulfilment, etc. Unfortunately, on many's quest for power, they will inevitably step on a few toes.
Communism could hypothetically work, if the entire world adopted it all at the exact same time, and there were mechanisms in place which could prevent any faction from every breaking off from it.
The actual question is, "Why does Capitalism exist?"
In simplest terms, Capitalism exists because it is the most effective way to advance technology, increase production/economic growth. And thus, whoever employs it, becomes the most-powerful nation/empire, and basically runs around conquering or otherwise manipulating/undermining/extorting/subjugating/enslaving the rest of the world.
>>72564798
Communism is so fucked up not even the Germans could make it work and thats saying something.
>>72564798
all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
>>72564798
Communism eliminates the middle 3 rows and leaves the top and the bottom... The bottom is extreme poverty and the top extreme rich.
Reason why capitalist system is broken is World banks and increased globalization and urbanization... Created hives of human breeding where food and water are pumped in...
Both systems don't work.
Need to decentralized and government should be limited to just three branches, the military and zero public works... Cities should be abolished and local farming communities must be created where blocks of separate "village sized " collectives take care of day to day needs.
Because every real life attempt at Communism has still lead to hierarchy, except with even less social mobility than Capitalism.
>>72564798
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
Entrepreneurs and leaders of business have done more to help the poor than any communist, socialist or philanthropist. This is indisputable fact
Individuals with ambitions to pursue their own interests improve the life conditions of everyone around them through voluntary cooperation.
man 1: under capitalism, man exploits man
man 2: yes but under communism its vice versa
Some regan jokes are needed here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
>>72565592
b-b-b-but muh exploitaishun, muh surplus value
>>72565203
Well, there are variants of Communism, but the theoretical conception of communism, is more along the lines of anarcho-syndicalism than totalitarianism.
Lenin for instance, was an elitist, he basically felt like the "Workers" or "Proletariat" were too dumb and disorganized to ever run the country. At best, they could only unionize to demand more from the capitalists(their employers), but they could never actually rule. Thus there would always need to be a body of political/social organizers/elites at the top, which directed the resources, and organized the people, for the common benefit of all.
The problem with that, is that the people who end up at the top, are rarely the do-gooder true-believers. They are the most ruthless and ambitious men.
>>72564798
SAME REASON EVERY POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS BAD
HUMANS ARE CORRUPT GREEDY SELF CENTERED FUCKS WHO WOULD RUN THEIR GRANDMA OVER FOR A MILLION BUCKS AND A DUMPTRUCK FULL OF PUSSY
>>72565592
It depends on what you mean by help. You are assuming that material improvements make people better-off.
One could argue that humanity is actually worse off as a result of the materialism of capitalism. I mean, why are we better-off in a decadent and degenerate culture such as ours, compared to say, the Amish?
They are actually healthier than us, from the hard-work. We are a bunch of fat degenerates, jerking off to anime, killing ourselves, angry at the world, and with a bunch of cheating whores sucking Jamal's dick.
>>72564798
All communism does is place "we rule you" at the top and place the dollar sign at the second to top.
Because its been a miserable failrue every time its been tried
>>72564798
Your own country
>>72565961
There's nothing wrong with a bit of self interest, if you hate humanity you probably just have a shit ideology.
>>72567099
>cont..
Let me add, humans "evolved" in an environment completely unlike our own. This world is completely artificial and unnatural. It is no surprise that mental illness is so rampant.
Also, humans have evolved under much more egalitarian conditions. Most crime is literally the result of the bitterness that is a byproduct of inequality. As technology improves, the independence of the individual continues to wane. Humans are now stacked on top of each other in cities, while the quality of human-relationships continue to decline.
The exchange of money has replaced all other human interaction.
>>72564798
Coercion
>>72565056
Hi Trotsky.
>>72564798
It erodes culture like acid and completely subverts all that is right and good with the human experience in a fashion that could only be conceived of by an alliance of Jewry and satan.
That American and British tanks stopped at the River Rhine and not the Yenisei is the greatest catastrophe in human history and we will feel the effects for all time.
>>72567547
Yes I am. The plough improved lives. The car improved lives. The telephone. medical advancements and all of the other inventions that have saved lives and made life less about surviving nature day by day fearing for your life every single minute.
That merchant is not drawing their gains from nothing though, they are providing value wherever they go.
Its up to the person themselves to decide whether it is worth something to them. It's voluntary exchange.
Now I agree that people are getting a little more degenerate, art is getting worse and we have lost touch with some of the more important things.. but I don't blame freedom, and I don't blame capitalism for that
>>72567588
He is basically correct. The Soviets ran the country much like a capitalist would, trying to maximize production, by forced-collectivization and industrialization, through the forced-relocation of the various ethnic groups/peoples. It then sold its goods to world markets in exchange for foreign capital, which it then used in its interventionist foreign policy/militarism.
This is similar to what "Communist" China is currently doing, except the Chinese are less-interventionist, and more-cozy with American corporations/bankers.
>>72568098
You are still making assumptions again.
Why did the car improve lives? Why did the telephone improve lives?
As a point-of-reference, has the cell phone objectively improved lives? Why?
What do we mean by improving lives anyway?
What is the point-of-life? Aren't we all going to die? What does it really matter if it is today, or fifty-years from now? What makes a life worth living?
>>72568098
Lets pretend for a moment, that you woke up tomorrow, and every single road disappeared. Would that make life less worth living?
What if every restaurant disappeared? What if cell phones disappeared?
Would we be worse off?
Gulags
>>72565416
Best answer
>>72567864
Could u explain that, please?
>>72564798
Im all for communism IF ONLY it will remove the cultural revolution and humanism parts
Its a lie
Communism was funded by the banks
Communism killed 10x more people then all the wars in history combined
>>72564798
Teaches that all men are equal, when we are not.
>>72564798
Doesn't work and the people that think it does are morons.
>>72564798
>History
>>72564798
>Give me one reason why communism is bad.
Communism only works on a very small scale, it's not meant to be used globally, nor countrywide. Once it grows too large, there is no cohesion, no union.
Humans are a pack animal, yes, but we have ALWAYS formed tribes bound by culture. We are also territorial by nature (more specifically, males).
Everybody is required to work, or the system crumbles. You have no other choice than to work because otherwise, anyone (reads, everyone) could choose not to and still reap the benefits of living in a communist nation, where the populace is entitled to just about everything (essential goods).
Why do people work? Necessity (food) or for the benefit of the community.
Benefit of the community requires you to: (1.) like the community, be close to the community.
Would only work in small communities (high cohesion). Large communities get rid of point 1., due to the impossibility that is to relate to a large number of people, and strangers, especially due to how multicultural most countries have become (culture clash; high population number; tribal nature).
Necessity is a moot point, because in communism essential goods are covered by default.
Thus, in order for communism to work: work CANNOT be mandatory
In which case, society crumbles, unless
Work is not *required*, meaning that AI has already replaced most jobs, rendering work obsolete.
Then we are left with a distribution problem: high achievers are left with nothing to strive for other than scientific progress—most humans are materialistic by default—so how does one go about imposing limits?
>>72564798
Because it failed.
>North Korea is "best korea"
>Cuba turning liberal out of necessity
>Venezuela's economy going to shit
>Angola's presidential family among the richest in africa
>>72564798
The type of socialism is national socialism,
>>72567542
>There's nothing wrong with a bit of self interest
And who do you know that only has "a bit" of self interest?
Yeah, fucking none of us.
I don't hate humanity I just don't think we're everything we pretend ourselves to be. Delusions that groups of people can consistently be trusted to do the right thing are shattered time and time again. And IMO we have to recognize our flaws to build past them, instead of pretending that oh no no THIS TIME it will all work out like it was supposed to.
>>72569065
...and pretty much this.
>I still believe that said "high achievers" will be the ones controlling said AI by force and reaping all the benefits. The future will tell...
>>72569535
The pinnacle of AI will have to be able to program itself and hot swap portions of its code, so I refuse to believe it will be controlled by anyone. The AI I was talking about is a more primitive one, the kind that uses neural networks to mimic human behaviour during certain tasks.
>>72568546
>>72568412
>Why did the car improve lives?
People like driving
>Why did the telephone improve lives?
People like talking
>has the cell phone objectively improved lives? Why?
Yes, people like cell phones
>What do we mean by improving lives anyway?
making life better
>What is the point-of-life?
lol....
>Aren't we all going to die?
Maybe not all of us
>What does it really matter if it is today, or fifty-years from now?
I can do more stuff that amuses my monkey brain like competition, sex, novelty and adventure
>What makes a life worth living?
A lot
>Lets pretend for a moment, that you woke up tomorrow, and every single road disappeared. Would that make life less worth living?
Yes
>What if every restaurant disappeared?
Yes
>What if cell phones disappeared?
Yes
>Would we be worse off?
Yes
>>72569897
Colour me surprised, communist retards are low achieving, nihilistic bastards who want to drag everyone down to their level.
The universe developed this way so we could strive towards perfection and give our lives meaning. Some believe the pursuit of knowledge to be a noble quest, but no matter, it's that person's meaning of life, and communist faggots need not impose their ill conceived views on the rest of us who don't want a stagnant, boring society.
>>72564798
FUCKING FAGGOT GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY IF I SEE YOU IN THE STREET I'LL FUCKING CLOCK YOUR HEAD IN
>>72564798
>>72564798
>>72567547
>Most crime is literally the result of the bitterness that is a byproduct of inequality.
Prove it.
>>72568412
Why don't you kill yourself then?
>>72564798
centrally planned economies are utter failures?
>>72569897
People like to watch porn, does that mean watching porn is good?
People like to eat high-calorie food, but is eating high-calorie food good?
People like to get high and drunk, does that mean either of those things are good?
When we are talking about "good", for the most-part, we are talking about that which is healthy, and leads people to be "more happy".
What you fail to understand, is that not everything that humans like to do, makes them happy or healthy.
>>72570584
>Prove it.
He literally can't. Gypsies here get free housing, free utilities, free everything AND free money.
They still steal. They still shank people. They still beg.
Communism is the epitome of big government, which in turn is the epitome of bloat and inefficiency.
>>72570456
Based son. Commies must perish.
>>72570692
What YOU fail to understand is that everyone should be entitled to freedom, you authoritarian nigger. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone how they should live their lives?
>>72569897
>Cell phones...
On what basis could absolutely anyone argue that cell phones have made life objectively better? It is certainly made life more convenient. But there is a reason there is a movement by people to ditch their cell phones, or at least to use "non-smart" phones.
Many people cannot even socially-interact with people on a normal level anymore, their entire existence is in their phone, with superficial relationships of immediate-gratification. It has led to a mental-health crisis.
>>72564798
VAI CAPINAR UM LOTE FILHA DA PUTA
>>72570907
Hey, nigger, has it ever occurred to you that everyone is different and that the things you deem shallow and unnecessary might not be deemed as such by others? Has it ever occurred to you that enacting laws to force everyone to live the same way might create unrest and is akin to trying to contain a bomb?
>>72564798
Funny, that picture describes the inevitable results of communism perfectly.
>>72564798
Stop shilling your shitty failed ideologies, pedro.
Reported.
>>72570584
>>72570745
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I am not saying that people only steal because the government doesn't provide them enough benefits.
I'm saying the reason people steal, is because other people have more than them. It is the product of envy and jealousy.
It reminds me of the joke "Santa hates poor kids". When you see others who have more than you, and to a large extent, not because they deserve it, it makes you feel like you deserve more. When I was a teenager, I used to steal all kinds of stuff, because I was poor, and I felt like I had done nothing wrong not to deserve the same things the other kids had.
In any case, it has to do with the proximity in which people live to others. If everyone around you is poor, you don't feel poor, so you don't become envious of others, so you don't steal. But when you are poor and others are wealthy, you become envious, and can often justify all kinds of atrocious behavior.
It is also a major factor involved with suicide. When you're poor, and surrounded by rich/successful people, you tend to be more-likely to feel like a failure. But when you are poor, and surrounded by other poor people, you feel normal.
It is a matter of "expectations".
>>72571396
>I'm saying the reason people steal, is because other people have more than them. It is the product of envy and jealousy.
I get that you're saying it, but I want to hear it from someone who can actually prove it.
>>72570817
I'm not an authoritarian, faggot. I'm the opposite of an authoritarian.
What you don't understand, is that the world we live in today, is the byproduct of effectively authoritarianism, but a specific type. We are basically a fascist or "authoritarian capitalist" society.
If you think "freedom" produced the world we live in, you are delusional.
Men have never come together in any great number, except by force. And that has always been true.
>>72565959
Someone NOT spouting the same old "Gommie's are EBIL" on /pol/?
That elitism, which Lenin and the Bolsheviks called the "Vanguard Party" theory, is one of the root causes of why the Soviet Union evolved into the totalitarian state it was famous for being.
Honestly, the more one reads about the actions the Bolsheviks took during the Russian Revolution, the more you realize that they weren't looking out for the common Russian.
Many communists were very dismayed when they asked the factory worker what they wanted, and the working man replied with "Oh, safer working conditions, collective bargaining, etc."
So, they invented the explanation of False Consciousness.
>>72571573
>the world we live in today, is the byproduct of effectively authoritarianism, but a specific type. We are basically a fascist or "authoritarian capitalist" society.
>Men have never come together in any great number, except by force. And that has always been true.
Can you actually prove any of this?
>>72570456
n i c e a e s t h e t i c
>>72571573
Force?
the invisible hand of the free market is a force?
individuals pursuing their own interests in life, voluntarily exchanging their goods and services effectively cooperating with thousands and thousands of people with a simple transaction where everyone benefits
that to you is force?
>>72570907
humans have always had mental health issues - not sure at which point in history you think its all roses and rainbows?
im curious, which point in history do you think humans were the happiest and lived the most fulfilling lives?
maybe we are out of touch with what makes our little monkey brains genuinely happy - but philosophy has always been trying to answer those questions... There's no definitive answer. As soon as we're happy - it quickly fades and leaves us wanting more. Wanting what exactly? no one ever fucking knows. That's humans, and one of the main reasons we have survived for this long. We will never be permanently happy.
people live for different reasons, have their own separate interests, and in a capitalist society they are most free to pursue those interests.
Im curious to see how you would answer your own questions
>>Why did the car improve lives? if not, Why?
>>Why did the telephone improve lives? if not, Why?
>>has the cell phone objectively improved lives? Why?
>>What do we mean by improving lives anyway?
>>What is the point-of-life?
>>Aren't we all going to die?
>>What does it really matter if it is today, or fifty-years from now?
>>What makes a life worth living?
>>Lets pretend for a moment, that you woke up tomorrow, and every single road disappeared. Would that make life less worth living?
>>What if every restaurant disappeared?
>>What if cell phones disappeared?
>>Would we be worse off?
>>72571522
There is various empirical and anecdotal evidence on the topic. I would say that it seems pretty intuitive.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/does-inequality-cause-crime/381748/
You have to imagine you're a poor nigger, demanding more freebies. You're not mad because you are poor. Since it is silly to even think of them as poor. Compare the material standard-of-living of the poorest Americans to people in pre-industrial times, we are all rich.
Thus the complaint isn't about "absolute poverty", it is only a matter of inequality, or "relative-poverty".
When you're 16 in high school, and you're riding the bus, and someone else is driving a brand-new sports car, you tend to feel envious and inadequate.
This is why a lot of schools require a "school uniform". The object is to give the appearance of equality, as to not distract people from trying to compete with others in school by wearing nicer/brand name clothing.
I can remember when I went to junior-high, people suddenly being concerned about the name on your pants. Prior to that, no one really gave a shit.
>>72569065
Pretty much all of this.
Under a communist system, the group perishes together and succeeds together. And everyone must be striving towards the success of the group, and not have selfishness get in the way.
Herein lies the problem.
>>72571707
Bakunin called Marx out on his authoritarian, centralising tendencies back in the 19th century. The problem existed long before (((Lenin))) and (((Trotsky))) were on the scene.
>>72571707
The problem with communism, socialism and any form of big govenment is that sure. Maybe for a while the people in charge, the bureaucrats, public workers etc will be good people. Flawless people.
But who comes next? who guarantees that the next person wont be a fucking dick? and a dick that is better at exploiting the system now.
That dick will inherit a HUGE amount of power thanks to a big as fuck government with tentacles in every part of its people.
Socialism might work with some kind of benevolent AI and machines running it for us... but even that is a long shot.
>>72571895
>>72571713
>Can you actually prove any of this?
Do you two know absolutely anything about civilization? Civilization has always been based on various degrees of slavery/servitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yocja_N5s1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzi9GNZFMU
Please go read some fucking philosophers, like Rousseau. I mean, even Thomas Hobbes acknowledges the necessity of authoritarianism for the establishment of civilization/industry.
Humans have always been forced together under empires/states. I mean, imagine if the government disappeared tomorrow, this country would collapse until countless tribes, looking more like the Amish than modern civilization.
The government has to enforce property rights, including intellectual-property/patents, and for that matter, industrialism has always required some sort of national/central bank, or highly government-regulated banking institution. As well as protectionist tariffs, and government-investment in infrastructure and in the "Arts and sciences", let-alone things like a "public-education system" to indoctrinate people into becoming citizens.
i don't trust other people and neither should you
>>72572525
Why do you think John Green is a valid source for history?
>>72564798
because they've been morally bankrupt hypocrites since the very minute of their inception when an angry mob murdered children for their cause
>>72564798
That looks more like the pyramid of communism to me. Look at all those publicly funded organizations.
Pros about communism.
A. No more decadent western behavior.
B. Removal from Jewish banking system.
C. No more immigration.
D. Since no globalism no drugs, degeneracy.
I don't see a downside most of western issues are caused by decadence.
>>72571895
>im curious, which point in history do you think humans were the happiest and lived the most fulfilling lives?
>maybe we are out of touch with what makes our little monkey brains genuinely happy
Yes, we have monkey brains. And therein lies the problem. Our brains are not evolved to live in the environment we live in.
Humans love to eat "sweets", but that is because we were evolved to want to eat calorie-dense foods in excess when they were available, since we needed them to survive.
But now, we have to moderate ourselves, because otherwise we will get obese and die of diabetes and heart disease.
Basically, as a result of circumstances, our own monkey brains make us less-happy, because we can no longer even properly enjoy sweets without feeling guilt/worry.
The unnatural environment in which we live, wreaks havoc on our health, and on our minds. We were supposed to live like this.
It is like the joke about how, people who live in cities, are more-lonely than people who live in the country. Even though they are surrounded by tens-of-thousands of people all the time. The problem is, they don't interact with them. In fact, they become desensitized to them.
>>72572194
And Bakunin is someone I need read more of, desu.
>>72572240
My only answer to that would be vigilance. Vigilance from the people the system was theoretically made to help.
Something isn't working? Then bring it up, try to get it changed. Otherwise, your criticism is completely on point.
Though bringing the impartial gaze of an AI of sorts would do a lot of good. Humans are many magnitudes slower and make many more computational mistakes then any computer.
>>72572955
what about the tens of millions who would die in the revolution? the global powers interfering to kill tens of millions more? the resultant famines and purges that follow any communist uprising that would kill tens of millions here and hundreds of millions globally?
We need to colonize other planets...
>>72573267
we need to colonize other solar systems...
>>72564798
Humans themselves aren't equal
>>72564798
Communism is not bad, but it relies on having an entire society made up only of intelligent, reasonable people with everyone's best interest in mind. As soon as even one element acts like a shit or even just disagrees with someone else, everything goes wrong.
The error of communism is seeing class as an indivisible body that can move in the same direction, but it does not take into account:
A. that man is fallible
B. that people are selfish
C. that without failure or selfishness, people are still bound to disagree
>>72571895
>Why did the car improve lives? if not, Why?
Actually, the thinking in this came from my libertarian days. When I was debating with people about the benefits of "public roads".
Through my reading, I began to understand that the existence of roads, has primarily benefited "big-business". The roads subsidize business, the bigger the business, the bigger the subsidy. Prior to the existence of public roads, you never saw the establishment of massive corporations, because it was too expensive/impractical for them to privately build roads over such huge distances.
In truth, businesses/merchants/corporations have always turned to the government so subsidize them. Even in the early days where most trade was by the ocean, through harbors/ports, the government was who established and maintained the ports, as well as the lighthouses and other such apparatuses.
So, I had imagined, what would actually happen if all roads were privatized? And lets even pretend, that they were paid for by "tolls" or other such fees.
In simplest terms, people would drive less. Which would cause commerce to become much more "localized". As a result, people would actually need to drive less, and would walk more. Meaning people would likely become more healthy, and more engaged in their community.
Basically, public roads are a poison. The public-education system is a poison. Most technology as well, is a poison.
>>72573220
that shit was a meme like the holohoax and i don't give a fuck how many jew capitalists or jewish slaves who defend their property die.
only countries that would suffer famines would be from no longer feeding them, most of those would be in asia and africa, would be the best day of my life.
those people who died in russia to famine, that had been happening since tsar times, and wasn't caused by the communism.
>>72565203
Why, because people like you stop it every time?
>>72573561
>Communism is not bad
it's bad because it's impossible
>>72565528
What's funny is that Orwell was a hardcore democratic socialist.
>>72564798
Because you don't own yourself, or the products of your labor
>>72564798
Funny, communism irl looks exactly like OPs pic
>>72573889
>unironically defending communism
Why? What is it about brutal dictatorships resulting in the deaths of tens of millions around the world that makes it so appealing to autists from wealthy first world countries?
Why do you think that the ideology that was the second leading cause of death of the last century, only barely being edged out by the spanish flu, is something worthwhile?
It's run by Jews and Jews are horrible.
>>72565056
>No True Scotsman
>>72564798
mass starvation
purges
political prisoners
forced work camps
lining up for bread
just a few you commie faggot
>>72574004
It can only work on a small scale. Self-managed communities can make it work with a small number of people, but it's always at risk of being disrupted by someone acting like a dickhead.
>>72573561
Communism and democracy for that matter, only work on a very small-scale. Very few things work when you're dealing with millions of people.
This is especially true in a world where "money is power". And thus, the goal of any political system, if it wants to protect itself, must be to "maximize economic growth".
To do so, they tend to hand most power to either a handful of bureaucrats, or a handful of capitalists/bankers(and in most cases, both). Who organize the resources and labor of society for maximum productivity.
Keynesian economics works incredibly-well, and is basically socialist in nature. If it didn't work, then this country would have collapsed a long time ago.
>>72564798
Communism is greatest, most fair, logical system in the World...it's only been successful one place though...
On paper.
>>72574659
>stealing what people rightfully worked for
>most fair
pick one
>>72564798
Give me one reason why that picture is bad.
Hierarchy is the preferable state of civilization.
There are those above to command, and those below to obey.
>>72574202
because it's a fucking meme, the soviets didn't kill that many. second, who wants to live forever? you want to change the fucking world, you want to get rid of degeneracy, niggers who don't work and jews but you don't want to get your hands dirty?
>>72574509
>Keynesian economics works incredibly-well
They do, in a vacuum. Keynes did not account for greed and that's developped countries' greatest economical sin : we're trying to increase growth exponentially when what we should focus on is sustaining ourselves and innovating
If Keynesian economics really worked, we would all be working an equal amount of time and have an assured life-long salary. We could have had a society of employed educated people doing what they love, innovating and shooting for the stars
I am a firm believer in Keynes' vision, but sadly, it has failed
>>72564798
without competition communism inhibits economic growth.
>>72575105
but the first world does not need economic growth anymore
that's possibly the spookiest of spooks
>>72575085
>I am a firm believer in Keynes' vision, but sadly, it has failed
Because we have not worked to make it a reality; we accept greed and exponential growth and praise the short-term gain.
There must be a total shift in the cultural priorities in the west (as well as coercive force upon the less-developed world and the east to bring them in line with these measures) if we are to truly create a sustainable and controlled growth economy.
>>72575069
>it's a meme
Say what now? Elaborate.
>if you want to kill niggers you have to be a commie
why? says who?
>>72564798
Brazil.
>>72575623
you complain about the lives lost in communism, that was a meme. but then you complain that communism would kill people?
what fucking people? the niggers in africa we send gmo food who are too fucking dumb to feed themselves or stop having kids?
why do i give a fuck?
>>72564798
>>72565056
>>72575085
I'm not really talking about his vision. I'm talking about boosting aggregate demand, economic growth.
These "capitalists" just ripped out the part they liked, and tossed the rest. In much the same way that they did the same thing in terms of Milton Friedman and his monetary policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
>>72564798
What do you think communism is?
>>72564798
> 1 reason communism is bad
the express train to the Communist Utopia goes through The Authoritarian Socialist State where your engine breaks down, and the conductors rob you.
>>72566899
False.
More money you have != you have less expendable, valuable skillset or providing something useful that people want.
Example: wealth inheritance. Your argument is false.
>>72576096
Communism just made nigger and Jew nationalism stronger.
See: Mugabe
See: all the Bolshevik leaders and how they never attacked synagogues, but blew-up churches with dynamite.
>>72575465
>There must be a total shift in the cultural priorities in the west if we are to truly create a sustainable and controlled growth economy
I am 100% with you on this, but I am only a regular jackoff and even if I have some ideas, I don't have the drive, the greed or the unfailing sense of duty necessary to put these ideas in application.
And I think that if I had, I most likely would be more concerned about my own power than by the well-being of my fellow humans.
Some developing countries can still benefit from a growth economy, but it has to be kept in check. And they do have a tendency to try to "make up for lost time" by going straight from savagery to industrial decadence in a few decades.
I still dream that one day we have a world government, conquer the stars, etc ... but I really don't know how that going to happen, just that I'm probably not going to be around anymore.
>>72576237
They tossed out all notion of regulation because "muh free market" and "muh invisible hand" and "muh smithsonian economics"
A whole economical and political class acting like children who don't want just all the candy they can eat, but ALL OF THE CANDY EVER
>>72573109
Criticism doesn't work. We've already observed that. In fact the *wrong* people's criticism is what is most heard and obeyed. Whoever shouts the loudest gets preference not whoever is actually right. Violence is the only way of correcting these trends once set in motion.
>>72576483
>who served the "red terror"
which never fucking existed. that is a meme like the holohoax. what synagogue did andropov visit and even if they have jewish ancestry why the fuck do i care. according to stormfags us slavic people are also subhuman.
>>72576096
what was the meme, though? communism never killed anybody? what do you mean?
Every communist leader ever has caused massive famine murder and oppression. Pic related.
>>72576696
but violence will always generate a strong opposition reflexively
people won't even consider what you are trying to accomplish, they will just scream fascism and rebel for the sake of it
>>72564798
It isn't. Capitalism is the most evil ideology in history. However lot's of shills and bored rich brats who post on this board will defend it zealously regardless because they think it's within their best interests.
Industrialization =/ capitalism BTW.
>>72574013
For the 1940s, which is way fucking different. Orwell recognized the potential damage of critical theory almost immediately after the Chicago school started proliferating it in the U.S, which is why he is based in my mind.
>>72564798
>>72576523
>I still dream that one day we have a world government, conquer the stars, etc ... but I really don't know how that going to happen, just that I'm probably not going to be around anymore.
Really, that will only work if one of the developed countries (which is probably going to be America, MAYBE Russia or China by some miracle) actually institutes a world-state, with total sovereignty over the world, to actually impose and control economic development and population control in developing regions.
>>72576211
>Stalinism and Communism arent distinct ideologies
>>72576794
>red terror was a meme
Not sure if you're delusional or just retarded.
Also, it depends on what type of nationalist you're referring to when it comes to the status of Slavs. Many Western Europeans hate Slavs because they act like white niggers, and this is an observable fact. However, many nationalist revere Russians today because they are immune to globalist degeneracy, and they have a strong sense of nationalism in their own right.
Hitler's main beef with Slavs was that they were all slaves to a Jewish-created system who's goal was to literally destroy nationalism. Why wouldn't you hate your polar opposite?
>>72576867
>>72576096
it's not possible for that amount of people to have died during the "red terror". sixty million is a meme, and a poor one. the population of the soviet union in the 1950s would physically have no been possible if that amount of people had died.
yes, some people died in the war and they had a famine which wasn't uncommon in tsar times, and happened until the soviets were able to stop them which they did. it wasn't some sort of "evil" plot to kill people, they were a natural occurrence or from people's own stupidity.
>>72565133
in communist militars are above the workers, and the generals and scientists and other authorities above them, and them the leader above everyone
communism
a wonderful place where engineers and doctors are paid as much as the waiter bcs "heh it's what egality is like bruh"
>glad 'merica won over ussr
>>72576211
Turn valid counter argument into a meme that you can ridicule so you don't have to address it. Brilliant.
>>72564798
Jews.
Communism is controlled by and perpetrated by jews. It's an ideology designed to subvert and control, not liberate.
>>72577351
the funny part is that all jews including hitler were against the soviet system. the global banking system, the "capitalist" west who created the frankfurt school. yeah, the frankfurt school wasn't in the soviet sphere of influence.
this shit was all created and propaganda of the west, who incidentally were controlled by jewish banks, jewish ppl running the federal reserves and large industries.
who am i going to believe, the jew run capitalist system saying that it was so terrible? or my fellow slavs and family members who tell me to this day it was mostly propaganda and they think it was probably a mistake to get rid of the soviet union.
>>72577440
so why did stalin have trotsky killed in exile?
>>72577697
because he was a faggot sjw and not a nationalist.
>>72577656
Wall Street Jews funded the Bolsheviks.
You're just getting deeper and deeper into "no true Scotsman" territory. It's a sign of an ideological fanatic.
>>72571573
yes, if you support marxism you ARE an authoritarian
Capitalism: if you want to open a commune where all the flower children can live in harmony you can totally do that. there are hundreds of communes and co-ops in california for example
Marxism: if you want to open a market where you trade YOUR shit for somebody else's shit, you can NOT do that. you get a bullet to the skull or a train ride to siberia.
Capitalism offers you goods at an excellent value
Marxism imposes it's values on everyone, or else.
why do you think marx put in the 3rd stage of the revolution, The Authoritarian Socialist State?
you cant force people to become utopian communists, but you CAN impose The Authoritarian Socialist State on the proles.
>>72577769
thats another terrible meme, they invaded the soviet union to try to make them pay the debts of the russian empire. its so fucking stupid because yeltsin was the dumb nigger who finally agreed to pay that debt. not the soviets.
what "no true scottsman?" i never said they didn't have communism. i never said they didn't try communism etc..
>>72564809
First post headshot
>>72564798
Some animals are more equal than others....
>>72577768
so he's perfectly fine with killing ex nationals who pose no threat to anyone, but the hundred years of extensive documentation, including by the top soviet officials, of communist brutality around the world is a meme? How could you possibly believe that?
>>72577911
Maybe I should have said "dindu nuffin" territory.
You're literally claiming everybody else but your favorite Jewish-led Bolshevik Party was controlled by Jews.
What about the Turks and Japanese? They hated commies also. I doubt they had significant Jewish influence.
>>72577028
Have you taken an economics course?
>>72572525
> Marxian Labour Value Theory dipshits re-interpreting history through their ignorant prism of Marxism
> sticker on macbook says "this machine kills fascists"
> fucking woodie guthrie marxist faggotry.
>>72565056
>muh no true scotsman
True capitalism is Austrian Economics and it has never been tried.
So fuck off with your bullshit.
>>72564798
Because it is literally impossible to implement with humans
People are greedy, selfish, opportunistic bastards at heart. Unless we evolve a hive mind communism will literally never work
>>72564798
>>72564798
Its good if you are a jew.
>>72577567
" that wasnt real communism" is NOT a "valid argument"
it's not an argument at all.
The Authoritarian Socialist State is PART of marxism, the only way to claim "That wasnt real communism" is to re-define communism and exclude Marx and his successors from your calculations entirely
too bad you keep quoting marx, and you assume marx's "labour theory" bullshit has any basis in reality.
>>72577909
>Capitalism: if you want to open a commune where all the flower children can live in harmony you can totally do that. there are hundreds of communes and co-ops in california for example
This is a half-truth. I like the theory of "free-market capitalism", but no where on Earth, anytime in history, has there ever been anything like a free-market.
Even if you wanted to live on your commune in California, you're required to pay a number of taxes, and follow a number of regulations. And that is after also being on the hook for inflation and economic manipulation from the Federal Reserve and other banking institutions, as well as by government policy.
I am a supporter of free-market capitalism, in fact, I fall more into the category of anarchist than anything. My criticism of what we call Capitalism, is that it never is what it pretends to be. Because the establishment of capitalism is not for the benefit of "the people".
The world isn't ruled by the people, it isn't ruled by freedom, it isn't ruled by democracy. It is ruled by power, and power alone.
The real purpose of Capitalism, was to create a highly hierarchical system, where a handful of economic elites at the top, organize the labor and resources of society, for their maximize productivity/economic growth. With economic growth, governments become powerful, and use their power to influence other countries, basically through a process of imperialism/neocolonialism.
Basically, real capitalism is always a heavily top-down institution, and the banks exist to make sure these elites have endless capital to buy up the resources of the country, and to manage them for maximum profit.
Modern economic theory is largely just the natural outgrowth of how mercantilism morphed into internationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism
>>72578768
That's some nice strawman you got there, you fucking tripfag nigger shill.
>>72578129
yeah, because the federal reserve isn't full of jews. jews run hollywood which is where you are getting your ideas from.
considering how many jews left the soviet union i would assert the system wasn't beneficial to them, they performed cleansing of these rich jews also, and the warsaw pact asked them to leave. it wasn't uncommon for someone in the east to have at least some jewish blood by close contact, i'm sorry. if you found some great grandfather of someone who was a jew, wtf does that even matter?
where is any proof? all you have is a bunch of bullshit about some distant jewish relatives of people.
why do i care what turkroaches or japs think? do you ask them for advice about your views national socialism or libertarianism?
>>72571895
All private property depends on the exercise or threat of force. Capitalism is siege warfare, redistribution is active warfare. I hate passive aggressive faggotry.
>>72564798
Communism has been tried and failed.
>>72579133
What is strawman in that image? Whose position is misrepresented?
>>72564798
Independence > Dependence
>>72579231
>implying I'm not redpilled on the Federal Reserve (which you think the solution to is more power to bearucrats, lol)
>implying I give a shit about Hollywood Movies and don't watch superior chinese pictographs
I was using them as an example because nationalist and anti-communist views can exist independent of a Jewish influence. The same applies to people that live in countries infested with kikes. I hate kikes and commies both, and historically, many kikes have been commies. They keep their clannish alliance in many cases, regardless of whether or not they're secular or a "dedicated commie"; the natural instincts towards nationalism are just too strong for pedantic ideology. If real nationalists ran the US media and and banking system, they would still oppose communism. Ideologies overlap. Same reason why you're apparently claiming to being in support of some kind of nationalism while sucking USSR dick.
Ask Polish nationalists what they think of the USSR.
>>72576443
If one inherited wealth, it's because they received it from someone who wanted to give it to them. And that person was the one who went and obtained the wealth.
>>72579064
> this is a half truth
so there are NOT hundreds of communes and co-ops in california?
REALLY???
what part is "half true"?
> communes have to pay taxes n shit...
yes.
people in the soviet union had to pay taxes too.
> i'm an anarchist
NO SUCH THING
anarchy is chaos.
anarchy destroys markets even more surely than marxism
> i want to do whatever i want cuz im a special snowflake!
all the other special snowflakes want to do whatever they like as well, and some of those special snowflakes are NIGGERS who want to take everything you have, rape your daughter and cut your head off.
in "anarchy" you would be DEAD.
people like me would live in fortified towns watching for Fallout 3 style raiders 24/7 with rifles at the ready, which means those who sow and reap must harvest enough food for themselves AND their defenders, thus they are "taxed" to keep themselves off the spears of the bandit raiders.
"anarchy" goes beyond the various "doesnt work" tier ideologies like Marxism, and dips into "Total Collapse of Civilization"
> capitalism = mercantilism
NO SHIT DICKWAD.
Merchants are the ones who risked their wealth and their lives taking goods from The Village Beyond The Hills to The Village of The Lake People and back, braving trackless wilderness, wild beasts, robbers and bandits.
merchants brought goods and technologies from one place to another, and created the basic mechanisms of trade which is what makes civilization possible.
modern capitalism is a refinement of the ancient trade system of old, just as Marxism is simply Feudalism with different titles.
>>72579064
>cont...
Let me add, Marx was responding to effectively industrial and financial capitalism. Which to a large extent, was the outcome of processes such as the English "Enclosure Acts".
What happened in terms of the enclosure acts. Was that the land had previously been owned in a feudal arrangement, and people were bound to the land, because there was such high demand for labor. The landholders and workers, in terms of taxes, was mostly not in the form of currency, but merely in the form of food and other supplies. The purpose of that system, was mainly to produce food and supplies to feed armies, but the scale was small, and the weapons were mostly primitive..
But once the gun was invented, and began being mass-produced, you suddenly saw more exchanges in currency, instead of bartering/exchange of commodities. And this also led to more trade between the countries of Europe, and they began looking for favorable currency exchanges(leading eventually to mercantilism, and balance-of-trade concerns).
This obsession with currency, led the government to begin privatizing the land, and selling it basically to the highest bidders. The reason was partly, because the economic elites realized they could make more money off growing sheep on the land, which required less-labor than growing grains, but was more profitable. This caused large numbers of people to be kicked off the land, who had nowhere to go, except into the cities. Which prompted the passing of the "poor laws", which forced these "vagrants" who had recently been thrown off the land, to labor in workhouses, as basically slave-labor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Poor_Laws
This system of trying to maximize economic growth, largely through trade, and the acquisition of greater and greater land and resources, led to imperialism, and then to industrialism, under which the vast majority of the population no longer owned, or even could own their own land, and all they had for offer was labor.
>>72570479
>memetic anarchism
I can only wonder what 14 year old wants to run the world on memes + no government
>>72577085
but that would result in a perceived oppression, real or not (though it would likely be real) and thus infighting.
if the UN were to become an actual power and not just faggots sitting around forbidding stuff without any actual means to enforce their rules, that would be something else
shoo shoo commie jew
>>72564798
Because they are jerking off to an dry ideology that is constructed on no basis to reality.
Greets to all the psyducks. you are still owing me money. But then again the zeitgeist will allow you to pay me in different goods.
Anarcho communism how does that work?
>>72580877
not.
nice dubs. 7 is one of the best numbers
>>72580572
>cont...
In short, the real goal of the top-down system of modern industrial capitalism, is that pretty much everyone should work for a handful of corporations, and owe money to a handful of bankers. Mainly because the common-people are not overly industrious/ambitious. If it wasn't for the economic manipulations of the financial system, backed by government policy/authority(think of everything the government does as being effectively a form of "eminent-domain"), the poor people would not be using their land to much benefit.
So these taxes/fees/regulations are put in place, which basically say, if you don't use your land to its maximum potential, the government will foreclose on it, and sell it to someone else. Generally, a capitalist, who will use it for its maximum profit.
In short, the goal of capitalism, is to strip all the "real wealth" from the common people, handing it to the elites, who know better than us how to use it. To the extent the people "own wealth", it is effectively the byproduct of some speculative activity, such as in the case of Wall Street stocks, or Real-estate. These common people help to feed speculative bubbles, which primarily benefit a handful of capitalists, creating what we call "fictitious capital", which is then used by those elites as collateral to buy up more real wealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_capital
>>72579941
Hitler was the biggest jewish faggot of fur alle zeit, fucking grofaz.
i don't give a fuck what "x" nationalist thinks of this or that. seems like all the "ussr" multiculturalism really destroyed them? wait no it didn't, they are one homogenous country after communism, and who is pushing these fucking muslims on them? the ussr? nigger please, please...
and, i'm not "sucking ussr dick", but they accomplished real tasks. like relocating ethnicities to different countries, taking poles and moving them onto german land, kicking germans out. stopping immigration was another task, not allowing the frankfurt school to infiltrate their education system.
expelling minorities from one area to another area entirely. like i said you are missing the point, some people may have had some type of relative that was jewish, no it wasn't some type of fucking cabal that runs the west, which they do even now.
you talk a lot of bullshit, the soviet union accomplished tasks that you could only fucking dream about in that dream you have about sucking hitlers dick.
>>72581533
>>72581533
Stalin forcibly relocated Estonians and replaced them with Russians to make them more cucked to the Kremlin.
Real "nationalist" of you.
Not to mention that communism LITERALLY has the elimination of national sovereignty as one of its main goals. The Slavic states reformed, AFTER the communism government fell, duh fuckwad. Before that they were all cucks to kikes in the Kremlin.
Also, you're really over-blowing the supposed Jewish affiliation in fascist countries that literally killed/expelled Jews.
>>72580421
>anarchy destroys markets even more surely than marxism
Real anarchy, ends up being a form of tribalism. At best, it might turn into something like "Anarcho-syndicalism", which would look similar to maybe the Kibbutz system in Israel prior to its establishment.
It could never system a modern industrial economy like we have today. Mainly because, I said earlier, large numbers of men have never come together for any length of time, except by force.
>"anarchy" goes beyond the various "doesnt work" tier ideologies like Marxism, and dips into "Total Collapse of Civilization"
Reminds me of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
You are assuming that I want Civilization, as you imagine it, to be preserved. It is nothing but decadence and degeneracy(pic-related).
>>72565394
Or a mix of Capitalism and Communism, As shown in Brave new World.
>>72582046
>Stalin forcibly relocated Estonians and replaced them with Russians to make them more cucked to the Kremlin.
You had better contact those social justice warrior on twitter, looks like the kremlin needs its privilege checked.
> The Slavic states reformed, AFTER the communism government fell, duh fuckwad.
What the fuck does that even mean? Are you the dumbest nigger on the planet? Poland, Hungry, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria they all existed you dumb faggot during COMMUNISM. Belarus and Ukraine don't exactly count. you think the west "freed" them, or freed yugoslavia? nigger please. they broke up countries so that capitalists could take over their natural assets and companies unopposed. divide and conquer for the jew bankers. kosovo is still serbia.
>Also, you're really over-blowing the supposed Jewish affiliation in fascist countries that literally killed/expelled Jews.
Thought the holohoax was simply a meme, you can't have it both ways, you either killed/expelled a shit ton of jews or you didn't.
>>72564798
I can think of about 21 million
communism is bad because marks's argumentation is pseudoscientific buzzword blabbling, based on his philosophy and personal views, not on science or actual economy
communism is bad because it brought extreme poverty everytime it was tried
communism is bad because it will never work outside of thought experiment area, people are selfish greedy fucks that will always want more and always will want to be better than others
communism is bad because people are not equal, stupid people tend to be on the bottom of social economic ladder, while highly intelligent individuals tend to fair good in life - social darwinism, although extremaly edgy and immoral, is not a bullshit theory
every socialist system has some uthopian elements in it, communism is composed entirely from them
>>72564798
Because, it roots in occult satanism. The Jewish radicals who started it were cultists. For anyone reading this who wants to find out for themselves, the chain goes:
Marx /Engels et. al.
Torah / Talmud
Zohar / Kabbalah
Key of Solomon / et. al.
The whole thing is a Satanic enslavement system. Please note how it has always been one of Communists key features to ban religious expression. Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" is a good book on the process. I dont know if anyone has ever written a book on the cult history of it all.
>>72564798
It's unnatural and doesn't work, it actually just makes things worse when attempted
>>72580877
> anarcho communism
it doesnt work.
it's a re-branding of the same old utopian communism.
>>72564798
>military
>above the wealthy
>>72570479
>esoteric hitlerism
muh gusta
>>72582907
jaruzelski was the problem not communism, and those loans poland took in the 70s.
>>72582740
You were claiming that the USSR allowed for the preservation of nationalism, when they literally tried to destroy and water-down nationalism in their member states on many occasions. If you're willing to admit that the USSR was just a form of Russian imperialism, I'm okay with that. At least it shatters the average lefty's retarded notion that communism was "good" in any sense of the word.
The nations "existed" but they were allowed national soveriegnty, they were all cucks to a communist government that used their resources and manpower to fight nationalism around the globe. Also, the Yugoslavians broke-up themselves because they were tired of communist cuckery. The west bombs the Serbians because they were being "too nationalist", actually.
I never said the holohoax was a meme, though I know it was overblown with shit like "muh lampshades" and "muh soap" and "muh 6 gorillian". That said, the commies still killed more of their own people than any fascist country, and that's not even debatable. Look at Mao for fuck's sake.
>>72582179
> i wanna go back to the dark ages cuz thats when people were truly free...
you will NOT be the kickass viking raiding villages and taking all the slam-pieces back to your hall for sexy fun-times.
you would be a lowly serf getting railed by your master and slaughtered by those vikings.
civilization is the only reason angsty weenies like you survive in luxury and comfort to develop your Me-Centric world view.
>>72583475
*were not allowed national sovereignty*
>>72564798
Because it's literally the same pyramid, human nature and corruption make every ideological system inherently flawed.
>>72583475
ja pierdolę kurwa. I don't give a fuck about your problems with Jaruzelski, they want to be butt hurt, that's fine.
It was a form of Russian imperialism? Yes. Was it "just" a form of imperialism? No.
I don't give a fuck what the chinks are doing with their time, why the fuck do I care. Everything in the Soviet Union had their own little republic to call home, a nation of their own where they could fuck off in their own bliss. you couldn't leave because you needed papers.
I don't know what the fuck you are arguing about being butthurt over the USSR telling Poland what to do probably but it's not the first time and not the last time either.
>>72564798
Economics and rational self interest.
>>72564798
It fails to account for the human condition, their is always leechs in a system whether that is rich people or the commissars
>>72583887
My main point is to get across to you why people hated communism.
You probably only cling to it because you're a Slav and communism is a meme passed down through your cancerous family. USSR worship is the Slavic form of nationalism, I guess. Everybody else just thinks you're retarded, though.
>>72578768
Do you even understand communism?
Only Marxism-Leninism is authoritarian.
>>72583486
That is quite the assumption.
What I'm advocating for, is greater self-sufficiency. I do not believe that cities can ever be run off "libertarian" principles. I think the moment people begin moving into the cities, freedom begins to die.
Naive advocates of capitalism, believe we can both have cities of tens of millions of people, and corporate assets in the billions, and also have "small-government". It just isn't possible.
If people are dependent, they cannot be free. And that includes being dependent on the market, and your employer.
By no means am I an advocate of serfdom, or imagine myself in a Viking raid. The best-approximation for what I'm advocating for, would be something like the Amish, but with less fundamentalism.
The early communists often spoke of wealth-redistribution, or really, land-reform. In America, post-Civil War, they carved up the big plantations and gave the land away. They also gave the land away with the "Homestead Acts". Thomas Jefferson's ideal world, was basically the "Yeoman farmer", which was just a "small mostly-subsistence farmer".
That isn't to say it is possible, because industry is just too powerful to resist. Thus Marx wanted a one-world government, ruled by the working class, because it was the only way to stop the power of the capitalists, while preventing the exploitation of the workers.
>>72584758
So you're not gonna tax me? Great!
Holy shit I hate commies
>>72564798
fucking idiot brazilian who thinks capitalism is a governance, fucking moron
ITS AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM
>>72585259
How are you going to create communism without an authoritarian government though, realistically speaking?
>>72564798
Human beings are omnivores.
There are others, but this is the most blatant reason why it could never work.
>>72564798
Because it's an impossible pipe dream that cannot be realized because it demands that nobody takes advantage of anybody else and that nobody acts on a lust for power and wealth.
>>72574355
/r/ing the picture that says something along the lines of "in a capitalist society, there are lines of bread waiting for you. In a communist society, you are waiting in line for bread."
if i wanted to be ruled by kikes id be a moderate
>>72564798
The leadership ge s special privileges. For example, there was a hunger strike in Germany led by communists. The leaders snuck and ate food while those "below them" died. Communism makes people into concepts, not actual people. A poor person who refuses to be a part of communism will be killed the same way as a rich man. Also, we can't forget it's atheist nature. It would have to cause genocide in order to get things done. The end justifies the means usually ends badly. The death tolls are nothing to communists asking as it furthers thier cause.
>>72585705
Agreed, it's like pacifism. How can you maintain global pacifism? The only realistic way is to have a giant force to prevent violence. Also, no society is stagnant nor stands still. People naturally don't want peace. They get bored. There is a super rich black guy In one college. He claims to be oppressed. The people under communism will find oppression one way or another. When that times comes a government is needed to stop them.
>>72564798
People starve in communist countries. If you think about it. Communist countries only have one kind of bacon, maybe even no bacon. The Horror people that have escaped commie contries are stories that should be kept to their deaths. The have to stand in fucking 3 hour lines just to buy some bread and they might not even get some bread.
