>red pilled
>supports capitalism
>Australian
>posts on /pol/
>red pill
>supporting anything
>>72559150
>>72559150
>>72559150
He's right though, National Socialism woulda been better.
>>72559273
He's even more right :|
>>72559150
Capitalism doesn't require support to exist. It is like gravity, it is simply there, a force of nature.
>>72561629
Can you elaborate? Because the free market (one of the essentials of capitalism) doesn't actually exist in reality. It is invented by man and is maintained by the state.
>>72562048
What the fuck are you talking about? A free market at it's core is just people trading(be it with money or bartering) with no government interference. It's just people interacting. A planned economy is what is invented and maintained, pinko.
>>72559150
kek. When will /pol/ realise the Third Position is the only correct answer?
It's amazing how many people don't realise capitalism destroys tradition, just like communism.
>>72562048
>Because the free market (one of the essentials of capitalism) doesn't actually exist in reality. It is invented by man and is maintained by the state.
The simple existence of something called the "Black Market" proves both those sentences conclusively wrong in every conceivable way.
Maybe you've heard of it, a free market that exists outside the state and isn't maintained by anyone at all.
Is the baby sitting or dog walking industries regulated and maintained by the state?
No, and that's a free market there too.
In these manners, the trade of capital for unregulated goods and services sprung out of chaos as the simplest method for Person A to connect with Person B.
>>72562462
So what economic system to you propose?
>/leftypol/ is invading again because they realize their shitty board on cripplechan is deserted
>>72559150
Go back to leftypol cuck
who r you quoting
>>72562527
>a free market that exists outside the state and isn't maintained by anyone at all.
This has never actually existed.
Maybe in Somalia. But it has never been tried in the developed world.
>>72562549
Some form of distributism, heavily nationalist, with protectionist measures, a ban on usury, ideally achieving autarky. Small business over big business, a modern guild system.
>>72562703
I'm an anti-capitalist but also a strong conservative and Christian. You don't have to be a lefty to realize capitalism is absolute shite.
>>72562784
And I suppose rum-runners, drug-cartels, and smugglers don't exist either, right? Because that is what you are saying is true.
>>72559150
>mfw leftypol made a shitty mascot that's a rich man but they didn't want it to be associated with anti semitism
>it still obviously looks like a happy merchant even without editing it
are leftists literally blind?
>2016 the EU collapses
>2017 the global economy flatlines and unemployment gets out of control.
>2018 civil unrest in Western countries
>Russia,China, Turkey and fascist groups in Europe and the US take the opportunity to make a power grabs.
>Europe awakes.
Capitalism and socialism are never used again.
>>72562787
Sounds oppressive and inefficient. A political science undergrad could shit out a better system. Free market capitalism works too well to be stopped as people love comforts that large economies bring.
>>72562787
Fucking this.
Why are /pol/acks so fucking ignorant when it comes to this shit? It seems like the only reason why they support free market capitalism is because they associate it with SJWs.
>>72562952
I never claimed it would be perfectly efficient. I frankly don't give a shit about GDP though. Economics is a dull field and I'm far more interested in preserving a country's cultural, ethnic and spiritual character than I am with growing an economy.
The free market just allows all sorts of degeneracy to spring forward. The nation comes before profit, always. The materialist nature of free market capitalism is destroying the West, and has been ever since the French Revolution.
>>72559273
this
>>72562048
It is invented by man in that it is made up of human activity, but humans have a natural tendency to trade. We can split hairs over the exact definition of "capitalism," but markets are an inevitable product of natural human behavior.
>>72562940
I don't know why leftypol tries to protect kikes so hard, it makes no sense to me.
>>72562940
To be fair, the only people who approach the far right in hating Israel are the far left.
>>72562721
I guess Hitler was a lefty because he didn't like capitalism? I guess Pat Buchanan is a lefty too because he critiques capitalism as well?
You're a fucking retard and a pawn of the Jews. Free market capitalism is a fucking disaster for culture and tradition and basically humanity. But hey at least you got your shiny red corvette and penthouse with a good view so you don't have to care about your fellow white man who you are exploitating and who is struggling.
>>72562952
> don't take away my latte's and arugula salad
fuck you
>>72563403
>Lets move to a shittier system because muh feels
>>72562784
bitcoin keeps growing
you are wrong forever
>>72563127
Spoken like a true collectivist
Those economies rarely do well because they get in the way of market economics
>>72563127
>I frankly don't give a shit about GDP though
Only because you enjoy incredibly high GDP by world and historical standards; even in the event of a huge depression you'd still most likely not starve to death and have toilet paper (along with indoor plumbing). Those who proclaim the insignificance of material goods are always better off in that regard than most people who have ever lived.
Even if economics is dull, so are many of the things we take for granted.
>>72563591
Capitalism allows a piece of shit like Soros to make a living through being an economic war criminal and basically being a leach off the hard work of others. But hey at least it's not socialism!
>>72562048
What the fuck did I just read?
>>72563700
Yeah at least the economy isnt in a death spiral. Youre so bitter that you rather see us burn than suffer some degenerates
>>72562900
So you probably don't know what capitalism really is.
>>72559150
>not supporting capitalism
>prefering tyranny and poverty over freedom and prosperity
A single look at eastern europe is all you need to leave childish notions like socialism and communism behind
>>72563853
To be fair, he might be referring to the larger-scale market we currently have, which does require protection of property rights and contract enforcement to work out. Otherwise things go full-Stirner and your property is only what you can claim and protect for yourself.
>>72563127
Do you prefer people with food and clothing or people with a strong culture?
>>72564220
Here in Brazil, the government regulates practically everything and therefore we have oligopolies in almost every industry. People blame capitalism.
>>72559150
Captilism is awesome because once you accumulate so much wealth,>>72559268
your own wealth can then support you and also grow off itself.
>>72564608
How is it even possible to be so filthy?
>>72564026
>Yeah at least the economy isnt in a death spiral
He really believes this, lolol. The world economy is done for.
>>72564608
This picture is just... Undescribable.
>>72564247
Exactly the issue I was getting at, the only "culture before economics" people I can take seriously are primitivists who acknowledge the significance of their proposed material sacrifices.
Let me make something very clear: everyone in this thread enjoys prosperity beyond the dreams of most people who have ever lived. Those reducing support of capitalism to "muh lattes" show just how unaware they are of what it takes to sustain them. I'm writing this indoors on a laptop while taking a shit, with a roll of toilet paper next to me. That I can so casually do this is a testament to the power of human infrastructure and ingenuity.
>>72564559
So you're telling me it's perfectly fine for a NEET who just inherited a great fortune to live off his investments via interest? You don't see anything morally wrong with this? I thought capitalism was about muh hard work and ingenuity
>>72564247
You can have both. I'm against treasonous multi-national corporations looting their countrymen and obscene concentrations of wealth with people who do nothing but profit from degeneracy. Just look how many corporations support left-wing causes like gay marriage.
>>72563680
It's not collectivism. It's putting power in the hands of the people, rather than a few rootless cosmopolitans. Distributism strikes a health balance between the "fuck you I got mine" nature of capitalism, which leads to a breakdown of social capital, and the dehumanising Bolshevik collectivism, which goes against human nature.
>>72563698
Perhaps, but I have no desire for the mass consumerism of modern society. It's fundamentally alienating. We might be better off in terms of goods, but one look at the rise of mental illness, breakdown of traditional communities, mass immigration demanded by corporations, rampant consumerism, materialism, and countless other problems of modern society tells me there are other things we must consider.
>>72564822
>morally wrong
>>72564881
You must be a soulless kike.
>>72564425
Isn't your country the go-to example of why infant-industry protectionism doesn't really pan out? You had a bit of a computer industry, tried to shield it from America and Japan, and instead of becoming a computing powerhouse yourself you're now the laughingstock of online gamers everywhere.
Do your stores still sell the Genesis/Mega Drive like it's new?
>>72564822
Someone had to either work hard or risk a lot to earn the fortune. When the person who died then leaves their wealth it goes on to support their offspring. Do you think people would even bother working hard if the state would just take everything off them when they are dead?
>>72564822
Yes. It is perfectly "moral".
Because, even if he doesn't work at all, he is contributing with the society, through consuming and investing/lending money. He does not need to want to help anybody: he'll just spend his money with whatever he wants to and with that he'll incentivate some industry, creating jobs, feeding families etc. You need to think about what happens with that money he spends.
>>72564822
>it's morally wrong to invest your capital into assets that will grow in the future and provide a profit that can provide for your standard of living
wew lad that's a big >implying
>>72564822
HIS wealth is helping other people become wealthy.
he could do more with it if he wanted to, but it's well worth it to other people to give him some money in order to use his much larger sum of money. there is nothing wrong with that. he's supporting ingenious hard working people.
anyways, that inherited fortune isn't yours, so why are you even worrying about it?
>>72565036
America and Japan were both built on ruthless protectionism. The US had sky-high tariffs well into the 20th century. It's worked from British Empire to modern day South Korea and China.
>>72565036
No, we are not this bad.
But the PS4, for example, when it launched it was costing R$ 4,000.00 (about US$ 2,000.00 at the time)
Our proctectionism is just shit. Everything from outside comes extraordinarily expensive and our industry sucks as well, taking advantage of this limitation to competition and raising prices to hell.
>>72564938
ok so your parents have worked hard and earned some good coin from their einzatsgruppen work hunting jews.
They have amassed a small fortune of jew gold and wish to invest it into property, stocks and other assets to hold onto the value of their current assets.
When they die the child inherits their value.
Are you saying children shouldn't inherit what their parents earned? Are you saying one generation does not have the right to own what the previous generation made?
you sound like the fucking kike, you are also implying that it is not ok for people to own a country and hand it to the next generation, whoever feels entitled to it should get it.
>bernberg is kill
>all the commies on /leftypol/ are too upset to circle jerk
>some of them might have even killed themselves
>their containment website probably down
>again
>welfare checks already spent on cigs and hotpockets
>can't drive
>can't bum a ride because they pissed off their "friend"
>already watched every season of GoT 5 times and Twitch.tv waifu isn't streaming anymore
>only thing left to do is shitpost on /pol/ to try and pass the time between sleeping and conscious thought during waking hours.
Leftists live sad lives, but none more sadder and pathetic than a /leftypol/ack.
>>72564822
As long as the capital he has is invested in businesses are successful and treat their customers and employees well, what is there to complain about?
It'd be far worse if he just wasted all of his money on frivolous shit. Someone would still benefit in the end (person selling said frivolous shit), but he has wasted an opportunity to use his money for the betterment of everyone.
It might even benefit him in the end, making connections within a successful business.
>>72562787
This lads
>>72565377
I'll admit South Korean protectionism is something of a challenge, in the other cases I can find mitigating factors. Japan, for instance, was basically rebuilt by western powers, and the British Empire was large and globe-spanning so even protectionism there wasn't too far off from having plenty of cheap third-world labor to outsource to (not to mention the more direct benefits of empire). America is also geographically large and diverse, so American-made goods are often made by outsourcing jobs throughout the country (I, Pencil illustrates this). It would make sense that protectionism works better for larger countries with greater pre-existing ability to produce certain goods; it doesn't make much sense for Britain to protect its non-existent banana industry, after all.
South Korea, however, is fairly small and not exceptionally resource-rich, so I do wonder what went on there, other than the usual "catch-up" effect countries have getting technology that's already been developed.
>>72564113
Fellow tugabro, I've been for the last 2h revising what Salazar actually stood for in the wake of my redpilling on Hitler and the 3rd Rich earlier today.
The only "disagreeable" things I seem to find people saying about him are the prosecution and execution of communists and prohibition to political opposition imposed by PIDE.
The first one being understandable in the geopolitical context of the time and the second feeling like a necessary evil.
Is there anything important I should know?
>>72561629
>laws enabling the private ownership of capital are "nature"
How so? Many historic countries (and not even gommie ones - plenty of absolute monarchies) didn't recognize property ownership except by the state. And without capital there is no capitalism.
>>72565095
>Do you think people would even bother working hard if the state would just take everything off them when they are dead?
Why wouldn't they work hard to earn a good living in the present? Also people don't just work for money. Work gives them a sense of fulfillment. This is why NEETs feel miserable after a while because humans are meant to be active and productive creatures. I'm not taking the wealth away I'm just saying that the idea that capitalism rewards people based on hard work and ingenuity is a myth.
>>72565130
But none of that is ""work"". Aren't you guys the ones who are talking about socialists being NEETs who don't do anything? Contributing capital is not ""work"". A McDonalds worker is doing ""work"", George Soros sitting on his ass and making millions per hour by trading currencies is not ""work""
>>72565181
Why am I wrong again?
>>72565204
He didn't get that wealth by himself. He had to hire workers did he not? Workers helped him to accumulate that wealth.
>>72565391
All I'm saying is that capitalism does not reward people based on hard work and toil.
>>72565558
Not all anti-capitalists are commies. I support more state intervention and socialist policies but I am a conservative when it comes to social issues. I am also against mass immigration. I don't support SJWs who are adamant in killing European culture and the European race by importing millions of low IQ shitskins into Europe.
This idea that everyone who speaks against capitalism must be a lefty needs to die already. Being critical of capitalism should be an essential part of the red pill process. Once you take a hard critical look at capitalism you see it for the trash that it is. I think Jews benefit the most under capitalism. It was a system that was naturally built for the Jews who do not like work and who instead like to accumulate their wealth through usury and rent.
>>72567979
the workers were paid. deal done. nothing more to be said.
you fucking commies are all the same. and you hang the same.
i'd actually prefer the muslim treatment - cut the hand of the thief off.
>>72568688
Would giving the choice to a 10 year old child between having to work for 0.50 cent per hour and risking starvation and thus death be considered a free choice? I bet you could use the excuse 'the workers were paid. deal done. nothing more to be said.'
You sound like Randian kike.
>>72569353
before the business man came along, that child was going to fucking die.
now the child can work for 50 cents an hour and afford 3 cans of spaghettios per day for 8 hours of work.
that's what you greedy, brainless fucks don't understand.
wahhh wahhh i want 15 dollars an hour, it's a living wage! you can't just pay me what i'm worth to you!
except the fact is that before any of what we built, you'd just be fucking dead.
and this is the thanks we get....
there is no excuse necessary. no apology necessary. it's called being humans. it's called dealing squarely.
>>72564881
Literally Fedora: The Philosopher
>>72567979
I don't care if it's not work. He is free to do whatever he wants, and if he doesn't screw it and invest all his money in a chocolate pickles factory and waste it he will in some point contribute to the society. And presuming that only those who actually ""work"" should get money is just value-labor theory, which is wrong.
>>72559268
Reminder that behind every Aussie shitpost is a depressed Australian crying for help.
Do your part and help a bogan out.
Tell him he's funny, tell him he's smart, tell him vegemite is a real food.
Australians are an important part of /pol/ ecology. Without them, the bottom-feeding Canadians will overpopulate the board and shit all over the place.
>>72570144
NO EVERYONE SHOULD TOIL IN THE FIELDS
TRACTORS ARE OPPRESSION
