Why should abortion be legal? Does a fetus (early stage of human) not have a right to life? Is it okay to kill it because its dad was a rapist? Of course it's okay if the mom's life it's threatened, no one is doubting that.
By the way, making abortion illegal does not decrease the number of abortions done (the mothers get abortions illegally). Abortions will happen at the same or a similar rate.
So what do you think /pol/?
>>72555963
World doesn't need any more people. Most people probably aren't sentient until they are at least one or two years old anyway. I mean do you remember being six months old? I sure don't. Anything that gets people to voluntarily reduce the population is a good thing at this point.
>>72556989
>World doesn't need more people
Maybe not Somalia, but don't the Western countries (many of the European ones at least) have a declining population?
>>72556989
>Babies not sentient
>That makes it okay to clip the tips of their dicks off
>>72555963
Abortion is one of the issues I'm not particularly conservative on. The world is overpopulated enough and if someone doesn't have the emotional or financial resources to care for a child they shouldn't be having one. A fetus has no consciousness or sense of self; yes you're technically killing someone but they're never going to know what they missed out on.
The biggest problem with abortion as I see it is that the people who really ought to be having them usually don't. The problem is there are basically incentives for low-income people to have as many children as they can. The more kids you have the more you get in terms of food stamps, welfare, priority for government housing, etc etc; this is actually how some people's minds work. We need to either start incentivizing the poor to remain childless, start penalizing them for having children they can't afford, or both, imo.
conservatives kills murderers and protect the innocent unborn
liberals kill the innocent unborn and protect murderers
Abortions are great, the people who get abortions are the people who shouldn't be having children in the first place.
I actually wish there was mandated abortions for anyone on welfare.
>>72557590
That's not really from the legality of abortion though.
>>72555963
People who want abortions should not be allowed to reproduce at all and sterilize themselves.
I seriously don't understand why this isnt mandatory. This would solve so many problems. This cancels out the need for abortion and filthy people can keep being scum. It all works out.
>>72555963
Well, it's already legal, so deal with it. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.
Banning abortion is retarded, it's an excellent minority eliminator.
>>72557856
DELET THHIS NOWWW!!!!!111!11!
>>72555963
>By the way, making abortion illegal does not decrease the number of abortions done (the mothers get abortions illegally). Abortions will happen at the same or a similar rate.
you have downs if you think this is true.
without legal abortion you can watch populations sky rocket in africa among other 3rd world countries.
>>72557856
OY VEYY DELETE THIS ANTI-SEMITIC POST
>>72557663
I get kind of tired of the circumcision argument. I was clipped when I was a baby, I have no memory of it, I don't particularly care that it happened. I didn't even realize there were still people in the world who weren't circumcised until the first time I saw European porn and found myself wondering "what the hell is wrong with that guy's dick?"
>>72555963
>By the way, making abortion illegal does not decrease the number of abortions done (the mothers get abortions illegally).
You're right, it doesn't, however it heavily affects the rate at which innocent people are killed.
Fetuses are not people. Fuck, they're barely molecules when they're taken out.
However, I don't support abortion of white people. I suggest that they're carried to birth then adopted. There is an upside to being pregnant in that you don't need to worry about creating a baby. Bareback is pretty sweet.
>>72558240
Abortions are illegal in Africa?
I was under the impression that it was pretty lawless.
>>72558197
>Well, it's already legal, so deal with it. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.
Well, as I said before, I am for abortion, but lmao this is such a pathetic argument.
It's like saying in 1850
>Well, it's already legal, so deal with it. If you don't like slavery, don't get a slave.
>>72555963
>Of course it's okay if the mom's life it's threatened, no one is doubting that.
Debatable. If the mother is terminal or has a low life expectancy and the child is expected to live a long life then it doesn't make much sense to abort.
>By the way, making abortion illegal does not decrease the number of abortions done (the mothers get abortions illegally). Abortions will happen at the same or a similar rate.
Then charge them with murder?
Also, I've never heard of a well respected politician say that a 6 month old child should get a job. If the parents can't afford to feed the child they should be charged with abuse and neglect. It is not my responsibility to care for other people's children.
Lowers crime 18 years later.
>>72558341
some places cant afford them.
other places can.
>>72558136
I wish this was the rule when your parents had you.
>Why should abortion be legal?
It keeps the nigger population low.
>>72558305
The men with ugly toque-headed cocks have to cling to something.
>>72555963
>>72558136
So sensible people, who get accidentally pregnant at 17, and realize "Holy fuck I would be doing the world a misfavour" should have those bastard children and fuck up three lives?
Nah mate. Nah.
>>72558538
Niggers don't have abortions. They know the liberal welfare state will support them.
>>72558305
That's exactly the problem. A perfectly natural part of your body is removed without consent for purely religious reasons and then this mutilation gets pushed as normal and the unmutilated are viewed as abnormal.
>>72558468
It's also not your job to give a fuck if anybody else needs or wants an abortion. What an edgy little smug fuck you are.
>>72558492
>18 years later
>Implying they will wait that long
>>72558687
Niggers have numerically more abortions than whites, despite the population difference. Their share of the American population is actually predicted to fall thanks to it.
>>72555963
>we wanted you dead 6 months ago!
>we're the COMPASSIONATE ones!
leftists
Yeah we need more of those poor ppl on earth.
>>72556989
>>72557706
Overpopulation is a problem only in third world shitholes
>>72558805
It isn't my job, but as a person I care whether or not innocent people are being murdered. It is also my concern because many abortions are financed through the state with my taxes.
>>72555963
>not posting the original
In the beginning stages of the pregancy, the fetus is no more its own life than any other part of the mothers body. The fetus does not have any brain activity, feel nor think anything.
Which is why legally abortions have to be done before week xx to make sure you defenatly go clear of that limit
>but if they don't want to get pregant, they should have worn protection
And what if they did? And then the protection failed.
I don't have the data, but I'd very much assume most abortions are done because of some accident and they didn't wanna get pregant. And looking at the number of condoms/pills sold compared to the number of abortions perfomer, you clearly see that abortion is not some sort of primary contraception. They do not get abortions because they really want to. Getting one is probably more humiliating and more expensive than buying condoms.
>but if they get pregant, the should keep it and take responsibility
There is a reason to get an abortion. Either because you don't want, is not ready or does not have the financial stability to raisa a kid. The dad might have run away. Are you really gonna force a single mother to have a kid because "muh feelings". Speaking of which:
>but muh feelings
Until you prove that a sperm in an egg is the same as a human, that argument is invalid. Religious reasons are also out the window.
>>72555963
>Does a fetus (early stage of human) not have a right to life
Yes, but feel the value of an individual human life is greatly overstated. hundreds of thousands of people die around the world everyday.
I don't buy the argument that an unborn fetus isn't a baby, it is, but you should be allowed to kill it while it's still in the womb anyway. 9 months is plenty of time to decide if you want it or not. Forcing working class 15y/os to have babies they don't what helps nobody and is ultimately a drain on society
>but that kid might cure cancer !!!
the odds of that are infinitesimally small
>>72555963
Yes it should be legal, nignogs need to terminate their fucking welfare suction cups.
>>72558519
Nice rebuttal. How'd you do that?
>>72558687
Did you even read what I said? Sterilization would prevent promiscuous people from.having kids period.
>>72559421
A fetus is a separate entity. It is not a part of the mother, though it is connected to the mother. Does leaving the vaginal canal magically make it a human? Should it be okay to kill babies born early?
>>72555963
>Is it okay to kill it because it's dad was a rapist?
Yes. I agree abortion is okay in certain situations, however wanting an abortion after lazily forgetting a condom or birth control, while having enough money to raise a child is not one of those situations.
>>72555963
Okay to abort:
>Child will have disability
>Pregnant because of rape.
Not okay to abort:
>every other reason
>>72555963
>By the way, making abortion illegal does not decrease the number of abortions done
Suppose making murder illegal didn't affect the murder rate. It should still be illegal because the law performs a function of denuciation and murderers should be punished for their crimes irrespective of any deterrent effect the punishment may or may not have.
>>72560130
Forgot its also okay if the baby is damaging the mother.
Abortion should be legal at no matter the stage nor how the women came pregnant in thr first place may it be from a rape, accident or because just maybe she gets wet at the thought of killing fetuses whatever it may be is irrelevant.
My tax dollars should not go to supporting parents who lack the financial stability to raise a child, nor should it go to kids raised by neglectful parents who wanted an abortion but couldn't due to societal reasons and now the kid is mentally fucked for life and in prison wasting tax money.
I don't care for the reason if there even is a slight possibility that you lack the means of giving it your all to cater to the child and raise it in a proper environment then abort it and continue on aborting.
>>72559619
>Sterilization would prevent promiscuous people from.having kids period.
And that's horseshit. Promiscuity does not equal to unfit to perform as a parent in the future.
Of course, a terminally unfucked 4channer could not understand that, but I assure you it's true.
>>72555963
I AM SILLY
One word: adoption.
>>72559619
>Sterilization would prevent promiscuous people from.having kids period.
People who make one mistake and get knocked up in their late teens shouldn't be prevented from having children for the rest of their lives. That's barbaric for Christ's sake
>>72561502
Who the fuck wants to cuck themselves in raising a kid that isn't blood related to you?
>>72561876
Those who can't have children of their own, you useless fuck. I hope you're sterile so it happens to you
>>72555963
>Why should abortion be legal?
Because if it weren't, we'd be overrun with niggers like in South Apefrica.
>>72561876
There's a difference between cowtowing to your whore of a wife compared to taking a white child with potential and raising it to be a productive, healthy member of society.
>>72562038
>>72562227
The kid will never respect you once he founds out he's adopted and searches for his real parents
>>72556989
Very uneducated view of the world. The world is not overpopulated. That mindset lead to economic shit in Japan because birth rate dropped and the working population was lower
>>72561876
Lot's of people. There's a market for adoption if I remember correctly.
>>72562689
Well, he or she is free to kill themselves. Not my fucking kid what do I care
>>72555963
Illegal Abortions for whites
Mandatory Abortions for nonwhites
>>72562689
Imagine yourself in a situation. You've been brought up by two adults who fed you, sheltered you, brought you up well. You are given information and your biological dad is in prison and your mother is a meth-head. Which parents would you "respect".
>>72558305
Why the fuck are Americans circumcised anyway? I thought it's only Muslims and Jews. Did you end up getting tricked by the merchant or what?
Anyone who says a fetus isn't human has never been to an ultrasound and saw their babies heart beating and legs and arms forming. It's a beautiful thing.
I believe everyone should have a choice, just know that if you do choose abortion, you are murdering a person
>>72559307
>implying that you pay enough in taxes to make your opinion matter at all.
>>72555963
No
>>72563654
Damn, I just realized I fucked up 19.7
>>72563804
Not the most perfect of representations, but the point is clear.
Illegal Abortion = White Genocide accelerated.
Abortion is necessary. More abortions = less welfare. Taxpayers only pay for the mistake once, instead of welfare for rest of Mistake's life.
>>72555963
People still get stabbed and shot even though stabbing and shooting are illegal. By your logic, we should deregulate them.
It's not that we think they'll stop, it's that abortion is immoral unless you're a degenerate non-Christian. And your opinion really doesn't matter if you're okay with killing children.
>>72555963
>Why should abortion be legal?
Because the only for the state to protect a fetus' right to life is to deny a woman her right to bodily autonomy.
>>72558676
Fake as fuck
>Has different DNA, but still considered part of a woman's body
>Has XY chromosomes, but considered a woman
Why do liberals hate genetics?
>>72565487
Because the ideologies they hold are at odds with reality and science.
>>72562689
I'm adopted and I can tell you that your claim is bullshit. I respect my adoptive parents very much. They're the ones who actually wanted me, when my biological loser parents threw me away.
>>72555963
Because there are over 9000 reasons why it makes no sense for the childbearer to be expected to care for the child, from ridiculous expected fees due to medical conditions, to chance of death for the parent, to the baby being the product of rape.
>>72557706
> over popultation
> the square mileage of Texas can house the entire human race in 3000 sqft homes and still have 2.7 million square miles left over
No.
Pol hates single moms who get welfare, but won't let them get abortions to avoid that. Cuz muh feels and bebby haz life.
Retards.
>>72566856
This.
>>72566856
You realize there's ways to not have babies besides abortion right?
Liberal shitbags always try to reframe this as some kind of dual option scenario. Either let her have abortions on demand, or pay for her shit spawn. How about neither and you're responsible for your own pussy and stop handing it out to niggers who disappear?
Actions have consequences.
>>72563506
Ain't that like a leaf. He's making perfectly valid points and you jump on the ad hominem fallacy. He's right. Why should my taxes pay for murder? Paying for your kid is hard? Well maybe you shouldn't have been such a slut when you were younger. Or fuck it, give it uo for adoption and allow the child to have a chance at a better life.
>>72566759
See
>>72564483
Would you want to live with all the worlds Niggers in this Texas you speak of?
>>72567032
>you realize you can use birth control
/pol/ denounces that as degenerate. AND NO POL IS NOT ONE PERSON FAGGOT BUT IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT GENERALIZATION YOU ARE A DUMBASS
>>72555963
>Why should abortion be legal?
Pic related
>>72567045
See
>>72564483
Christcucks love the BBC it seems, I don't know why else they want to make abortion illegal other than to increase the number of Niggers in America
a clump of human cells =/= a person
>>72555963
I think you contradicted yourself right off the bat.
If a foetus is a human being then it's never ok to murder it. Not even if the father is a rapist, yes, but also not to save the mothers life either. It's not like the foetus is capable of intentionally harming the mother, it has no intention, it's helpless.
Anyway a foetus is clearly not a human being which is very fortunate for us. It's a part of the womans body that is in the process of attempting to become a human being. Absorb that and everything becomes clear.
Are there seriously people on 4chan against abortion now a days. What the fucking fuck has happened.
Abortion rights in the UK seem pretty okay at the moment, I think. 1st trimester no sweat 2nd trimester ok if outcomes not good 3rd trimester ok in extreme circumstances.
Fuck the heraldry of all human life, it's just cells man.
>>72567032
daily reminder that mandatory sterilization tied to free abortion is the only way to go
gyps, niggers and retards should be sterilized anyway
>>72560130
>live during false-rape report epidemic
>support abortion if woman is raped
>not expecting whores to send innocent men to prison by the truckload to get out of parenting free
>>72557949
>>72558224
>>72564484
>>72567307
These people fucking get it.
>>72567032
>You realize there's ways to not have babies besides abortion right
Yes I realize that. But will a nigger?
Can't just say a nigger won't make stupid mistakes in your perfect world and use it as an argument. Be realistic. They're animals.
>>72555963
Being killed =/= Dying of hunger/natural causes
Common sense should be that you deserve not being killed but you're not entitled to shit for simply existing
>>72555963
Fetuses have the same intrinsic value as meat until they breath.
If an abortion was done illegally against the parents will, the only punishment that makes sense to me is forced compensation for the loss and legal prosecution for serious assault, something akin to kidney theft.
The parents most likely had an emotional attachment to the meatbag, so I'd consider compensation for psychological damage to be correct. If they made financial decisions relying on the fetus being born I'd consider that a shame - but whatever.
>>72556989
They feel pain within 4 weeks of development
>>72566856
THE GLORIOUS LELF!
>>72560130
>Okay to abort:
>Child will have disability
>Pregnant because of rape.
You are saying that people with disabilities and people whose mothers were raped are less worthy of life than others.
How is it the child's fault if her mother was raped? How does it make her less human? For those basing their thinking around the rights of the child, it doesn't make any difference if the circumstances of the conception are shitty. A child is a child is a child; human rights have to be universal. You can't classify someone as sub-human because of their parentage.
>>72568634
I don't give a fuck about a fetuses rights at all. Abort a baby during labor. I don't care.
But I agree with you. People who only accept abortion if the mother was raped or if the future kid would be disabled if born are basically okay with murdering an innocent.
