What's your opinion about agnostics /pol/?
>>72544467
I don't know
>>72544467
I don't know
>>72544467
>not being able to answer a yes or no question
absolutely worthless
>>72544491
>>72544531
This.
They are indecisive faggots
>>72544467
Meme atheist
>>72544467
I don't know
>>72544467
Just another cult..
>>72544467
Reasonable
>>72544467
Shiranai
>>72544467
I don't know and i will possibly never know until the day i'm dead
>>72544467
not extremist
I'm agnostic until I've attain the truth.
Reasonable. Just means that they rely on their own experience. I was an agnostic once too.
I'm agnostic and I don't know
>>72544562
>believes without evidence
>believes he is a rational thinker
Come to think of it. It makes sense.
I'm agnostic for real and when someone asks me about religion I say "I don't know and I don't care" desu senpai
but I am a hardcore nationalist though
>>72544670
They don't tend to impose their will on other like religious people or atheists. How is it a cult?
>>72545145
Same. As long as it doesn't infringe the rights of others and I don't have to pay for it I don't care what people believe.
>>72545059
You either believe because of faith or don't believe because of a lack of evidence. Being stuck in the middle makes you an indecisive retard.
>>72545145
I feel like agnostics are this guy.
>>72544467
depends if you are an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist.
it's ok if you are an agnostic atheist.
>>72545145
I'm exactly the same m8
>>72544580
Can you prove a God exist?
No?
Can you prove a God does not exist?
No?
>waahhh, fucking indecisive faggots
>>72545718
praise the Golden Dawn brate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umMu6-qNg9Y
>>72544467
There a bit wishy washy, fence sitters, Cant make up their minds.
>>72544467
I have known soooo fucking many that considers themselves superior to both Atheism and Christianity.
>Lol, you guys are both wrong! I am soooo much better than either of you!
All it is.
>>72544467
retards who don't even understand the words they use
>>72545876
people who act like that are not Theists, Atheists or Agnostics
they are just faggots m8
They're fence sitting cunts who need to make their fuckin' minds up.
agnostic people either don't care about religion or they themselves know that they need more life experience in order to make a decision on the matter
From a Christian perspective, they're just as damned as those who do not accept the mercy of Christ to atone for your sins. Those on the fence don't realize that Lucifer and his cronies own the fence, as long as you doubt God, you doubt the sacrifice, it's significance and the effect it as on you as a person and you as a soul.
They're more open to an interpretation at the very least.
>>72544467
They don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
>>72544562
>>72544580
Being fine with not knowing the unknowable is as brave and honest as one can get.
>>72546478
I can't be an atheist because while there's no proof that god doesn't exist and vice versa
>>72544467
I call myself agnostic sometimes but everyone has a different definition of agnostic/atheist, so I have no problem being called atheist.
What do you guys think?
I don't think its impossible a god exists, but I know it cant be some Christian/ world religion bullshit. I think there are basically unlimited possibilities when it comes to the creation of the universe, and I am comfortable saying I don't know exactly how it all started.
They're often almost as imperious as atheists when it comes to them talking about their beliefs.
Also someone post the comic.
>>72544467
I started reading the esv (english standard version) Bible. Then I downloaded the esv audio bible and hear the word spoken to me while I am at work, in the car, doing yard work. You will become closer to God.
Agnostic extremests are no fucking joke. They'll show up and burn a question mark in your front lawn. They're not really sure why though.
Its fine if you want to end up in hell. You need to visit church and atone for your sins. Repent now you filthy degenerate.
We are a Christian board you faggot.
>>72545401
>faith
>belief without evidence
Nice.
>>72544467
remidner that crypto kikes pitch christians vs atheists so none of these go against cryptokikery
now post that fattie with the hattie just like your kike overlord taught you to, goy
>>72544467
The more I studied the natural sciences, the less atheist I became. I don't subscribe to a particular religion, but the concept that the universe has some sort of creator or extra terrestrial origin is plausible.
Simulation theory really pushed me towards agnosticism.
>>72545145
I used to be agnostic, but now I'm Atheist. Though I still use a response like yours.
>>72546797
>literally advocating self brainwashing
>>72546930
Hell is self-created.
You're told to avoid sins because that is one interpretation of the best way to keep you pure enough for a "healthy" afterlife(which is subjective). Which is also self-created. When you die, your astral body sits in the realm of thought-manifestation. You are where you think you are. You can hang out there as long as you want. Most souls choose to incarnate back on Earth or if they are progressed enough spiritually, they can "ascend" into a higher vibratory level of existence as a new being. You're only a human now because at one point, your higher self decided that you need "the human experience". Which is why we're all here, to experience. As for free will, it is limited to a point via determinism, but not in any way that matters.
>>72544467
They're atheists who're too chickenshit to admit they don't believe in God. But make no mistake: agnostics do not believe in God.
Take this asshole here:
>>72546634
See how he says there are "unlimited possibilities" and "I don't know" while refusing to admit the simple truth that he does not believe.
>>72547761
>I AM SILLY
>>72547761
>some one took time to make that image
The agnostic says, “I don't have a knowledge that God exists.” The atheist says, “I don't have a belief that God exists.”
>>72547761
Yeah but there could be a god.
Thats one of the "unlimited possibilities" you dipshit. I sure as hell don't believe in all the bullshit intricacies of any world religion though.
You are just one of those idiots who wants to believe in something for the sake of believing it. Absolute trash.
>>72544467
probably what I'd be if I cared enough to find the appropriate label for my beliefs.
Everyone I know just calls me an asshole.
>>72544467
I think tonight is the Orthodox easter, and even a fedorafag like me cannot shake off the splendor in the resurrection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhY_N7lp0jE
>>72544467
Depends. I don't trust anybody that was raised as an agnostic/atheist, ever. If they say they were raised as christian but one day they just lost faith then I might give them the benefit of the doubt.
I was raised a christian, then became agnostic, then atheist and then I finally understood religion and its purpose so I went back to christianity like the prodigal son.
Atheism was probably one of the worst stages of my life in terms of personality.
>>72547761
>Come fuck me in the ass, Muhammad
Would bet real money that whoever made this image was masturbating when they typed that.
>>72544491
fpbp
>>72548701
>I finally understood religion and its purpose
Do you have faith though?
identifying as an agnostic is a joke
it's agnostic / gnostic, theist / atheist
why is this so hard for pseudo intellectuals to figure out
tool of the jews
>>72548912
Nope
>>72547761
Atheists can't believe in morals and values that are in the bible? bullshit
>>72544467
I used to identify as agnostic because it was easier than "I don't care."
Then people were suddenly made at me for saying that, so now I just say I don't care about faith when asked.
>>72549079
Isn't it somewhat hypocritical?
>>72549180
Why would you?
>>72549180
Christians think they have a patent on basic principles like don't kill, don't rape, don't steal, etc.
>>72544467
Seem to me people don't know meaning of the word "agnostic".
>>72549258
Christians are more likely to be felons then atheists.
>>72549404
agreed
>>72545830
Can you not prove God exists?
No?
=> Contradiction
Can you not prove God does not exist?
No?
=> Contradiction
It's paradoxical bruh.
Just about every atheist in the world is also an agnostic
In order to be a gnostic atheist you would have to know there is no God, if you simply posit no belief in a god then you are an agnostic atheist
>>72544580
No, we are indecisive because of a lack of proof you fucking retard.
>>72545145
Same here
>>72545830
Exactly, Agnosticism is the actual intelligent way of thinking.
>>72544467
As bad as bisexuals tbqh
>>72549537
>Can you not prove God exists?
Yes. I can not prove that God exists.
>Can you not prove God doesn't exist?
Yes. I can not.
>>72549180
You are now born in rape and kill village what do you do? you rape and kill because you dont know any better
>>72549666
K satan.
>>72546797
>not the KJV if at all
You had one job.
>>72549232
No,at least I don't think so.
I know the influence that christianity had on me as a kid. It's something that gets imprinted in your brain. Cheating, petty thievery, etc are things that people do because they're not afraid of the consecuences or because they're gonna get caught. Believe me it's sounds simple and superficial but there's too much to it for me to elaborate on this, but it is so you get a rough idea of why I don't trust people that were raised without fear of God.
Now I don't mind christian to atheist/agnostic because at least they developed those morals even if they dropped christianity.
I call myself christian because religion is more a political movement that helps setting a universal set of values and I adhere to christianity as the one that holds the best one and I've been following them my whole life anyway.
It also brings unity amongs its people and homogeneity and strenght.
Again, this is a simplification, there's way more to it.
>>72549712
And you're calling us indecisive, what a meme person you are.
>>72549753
Huh?
>>72549759
>satan
Wow, I'm suddenly satan worshipper for not being sure about something that has no proof of existance nor any proof of inexistance.
You guys are really retarded, you know that?
everyone's agnostic, unless you can't admit when you're wrong.
>>72545145
Same
Agnosticism is literally pretentious indecisiveness the religion.
>>72549180
It's actually a funny misnomer by faux Christians, "You simply can't grasp the word of the Bible if you aren't saved." Which is completely against the Bible's word. The Bible itself states that it was made so "even the simple can understand" what it has to say. "The simple" basically meaning even a retard.
>>72549789
The only post I've made in this thread is the one you replied to.
>>72549902
>Look at your post number.
>>72545401
Or maybe you realize that lack of evidence does not prove nor show anything and you shut up about matters you know nothing about, just like any reasonable person would do.
If I asked you if there is a black man playing a violin in the middle of times square at this very moment, what would you answer? Would you say that saying "I don't know" is an answer for indecisive retards? Whatever you say, you will include "I don't know" in the middle of your answer because you know you are clueless.
>>72544467
Fence sitting atheist
>>72549902
>being this new
>>72549993
There is absolutely nothing to be "decisive" of you fucking moron. There is no proof of existance of a god, nor is there proof of inexistance of a god.
>>72549993
It isn't a religion, it's being unsure whether there's a higher creator or not.
>>72550032
The same applies though.
>>72544467
I'm on the fence regarding them
>>72549993
>can't fathom anything not being a religion
I genuinely feel sorry for you.
>>72549789
Plus, I'm agreeing with you. All I'm saying is that is completely possible not to prove something. Watch me not prove the existence of a god:
See? I didn't prove that god exists.
>>72546930
1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…
However, I am under no such restrictions, you stupid faggot abbo loving cunt!
>>72549839
if your father teaches you to rape and kill then that are your morals. this is normal for you a authority creates your moral , atheist have non and that is why the world is shit today thank god that they still have some christfag values because when that is gone all bets are off
>>72550290
You also didn't prove God doesn't exist. Haha! Got you now! Not having blind faith in an existence or inexistence has made you -- an Agnostic.
>>72545830
>I'm just gonna sit here on the fence like a smart person! Waw! Look at me! I'm so smart! Wow!
Fuck, agnostics are retarded. Even islamists are smarter than you.
>>72550435
Wrong and bullshit.
If I am the Atheist father why wouldn't I teach human morals? i.e. Don't kill, rape, etc.
Why me being an Atheist has anything to do with that?
Me not believing has nothing to do with the actual morals that most of them are indeed good in the bible
>>72550515
Okay, good. I'm exactly what I thought I was. It's nice to have someone reinforce your identity like that.
>>72550173
No. Thats wrong.
It means that you believe that there is no way to know if god exists.
>>72550563
>believing in obvious is bullshit is smarter than making no claim on a metaphysical issue
wew
>>72549783
It sounds to me like you're admitting you were brainwashed as a kid and can't shake it off. You don't need to believe in supernatural forces just because you hate cheaters/thieves. I think if the morality of Christianity were beneficial enough to create homogeneous, strong societies like you say, then we should celebrate those morals of their own accord without all the nonsense.
>>72544467
>>72544467
Most of them are just atheists that wanted to distance themselves from the retardation that is the anti-theistic movement.
>>72544580
"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing" -Socrates
At least they're not hypocrites like the atheists.
>>72550435
>some christfag values because when that is gone all bets are off
Their values are shit and evil. You want to see a country ruled by biblical values, go look at Saudi Arabia.
Christians are incapable of moral action. They just follow orders they make no moral distinction or decision themselves and are therefore amoral.
Christians have the moral capacity of a 4 year old,
>its only bad if daddy says so,
>and only if he sees you.
>>72549783
So where you're at right now the Church is more about community than faith for you, right?
Would you trust someone with a christian morality even though he wasn't raised with the fear of God?
Or would you always have that hint of doubt?
>>72550790
you sound another idiot who doesn't know what agnostic means.
>>72544467
they want attention
>>72550435
>thank god that they still have some christfag values
Yeah, like forcing women to go live in a hut when they're on their period. And chopping off the hands of thieves. It's just the moral thing to do.
>>72550823
>You want to see a country ruled by biblical values, go look at Saudi Arabia.
>>72544467
>I don't believe in God's presence.
>I don't believe in God's absence.
>I don't believe in the possibility of God.
>I don't belittle or condemn those who choose to believe in God.
What does this make me?
>>72550563
I build a fence around me and don't share my opinions with those outside my fence as it would be a waste of my and their time.
>>72550589
why would the atheist father know morals if no one ever tought you ? you now know morals because of the jews, the moral from hitler was to gass jews and you would be fine with this because hitler is the authority figure,
>>72549537
you cant prove that anything does not exist.
>>72550989
Agnostic-Atheist
And a faggot.
>>72550989
Do you believe in the impossibility of God?
>>72544580
>it is actually a badge of honor in our society to claim to know the unknowable
>HURRR DURR YUO CANT KNOW IF GOD IS REAL OR NOT!!1 XDDDDDD LOL IM REALLY SMART XDDD ANY RELIGION COULD BE CORRECT!!!!!
>>72551184
no. it's impossible to do so
>>72550951
you mean the old testament rules the laws for the jews? the jews where so stubborn that those laws did not even save them
>christfag values
>>72551176
good enough
>>72551247
What a bunch of retards, right? Good thing we believe in the Roman pantheon of gods, the one true religion.
>>72551335
>I don't believe in the possibility of God.
Don't be lyin'to the boy.
>>72551247
>ANY RELIGION COULD BE CORRECT
Yeah, or you know, none of them could be correct.
>>72547761
Agnostic here.
I hate Islam for what it is : a fascist political worldview disguised as a religion. Next time you put me in the same bag as SJW's fags I'll cut ya.
I may not be sure about God but at least I believe in the fundamental superiority of original western values.
>>72544467
I'd consider myself agnostic, but the truth is I really just don't give a fuck and I'm apathetic.
If there is a god then he's a complete fuckhead and I wouldn't want to worship him regardless. He's either sadistic or weak. If there is no god, then getting on my knees and worshiping him doesn't matter.
Religion and god are not worth even thinking about.
>>72550589
>>72551065
oh wait you a jew you are not fine with that, lets say you where geman
>>72551367
>the old testament doesn't count because that's the jewish part
Why is it in the Bible if you're just supposed to ignore it?
>>72550959
Aint no fucking difference in law between Quran and Bible
>stonings
>beat yo wife
>slavery
>kill fags
>blasphemy laws
>apostasy
Go read it sometime.
>>72544562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z-a5hy7QO8
>>72550687
I was conditioned, but not brainwashed.
If you take away God from the moral barometer then all the values that are beneficial to society suddebly lose strenght.
As an adult you certainly don't need to believe in supernatural forces, indeed. You can grow out of Christianity the same way you can grow out of cartoons and videogames. Still, I think religion is far more efficient (wether you have faith or not) than atheism and I'm not the only one who thinks this way (Carl Sagan, Nietzsche and others said so).
Like I said, I had to simplify my statement. It's something I've been thinking about my entire life and now that I'm in my 30s I can't express all the thought process that I've been throught in just some posts.
They're just atheists who don't want to admit it.
pro tip: if your answer to "do you believe in 1 or more gods" is anything but yes, you are an atheist.
I'm an agnostic because I find it arrogant to assume you know what god wants and how he thinks.
>>72546634
I dislike being called an atheist because in all honestly I would like to believe despite the fact I don't and never have, I imagine having faith provides much peace of mind and I'm honestly a bit jealous of the conviction believers possess.
Also I'm not too fond of being lumped in with the militant types who seem to feel it's their duty to save religious people from their self.
Ultimately I feel like the idea of a creator entity or higher being is within the realm of possibility but it's still an unknown and as such there is no reason to assume there actually is, it's effectively the same as atheism, just without the egocentric self certainty so many self proclaimed atheists seem to have.
>>72551618
>If you take away God from the moral barometer then all the values that are beneficial to society suddebly lose strenght.
Total lies
You have the moral of a child.
>its only bad if authority figure says it is.
Christians murder and rape more than athiests because they think their belief in Jebus is a get out punishment free card.
Any religion that relies on faith alone is completely anti-social and immoral.
>>72549753
What are
>laws
>morals
If god came down from above and asked you to murder your family with the sure promise they would burn for eternity would you do it? You know better, god told you to.
>>72551533
moving the goal post . The old testament is for a lesson and teachings, i dont have to stone traps anymore
>>72551618
Religion is the most effective tool for making a solid working population and instilling fears for what happens if you don't act like decent folk. Without religion such a thing would be impossible. The problem is when the religion makes people do all the wrong things, and is used by terrible people who want nothing good, such as what is happening to Islam. (Basically, when religion is used by an opposing nation to do what you would've used it for against them)
Christianity is fine and all but by far the best religion would be one that is created by and for a specific population, as it would be far more relatable and relevant. You could create a rich history and large zealotry when everything is based around your own nation and people.
>>72551929
I read in a Stephen King book that you double your sin if you do it while telling yourself that you can just ask for forgiveness later.
Of course that still doesn't fucking matter since the fact remains that you CAN just ask for forgiveness later.
>>72552102
>assuming that you follow the teachings of your holy book is "moving goal posts"
>>72552102
Do you believe in adam and eve?
Are you against homosexuality?
Noah's ark?
That's all old testamant.
>>72551929
Sorry but you're clearly going through the edgy phase of atheism. Le "I was born with strong morals because I'm a human being" meme.
You'll realize your mistakes or you'll live like a moron.
>Christians rape and murder more than atheist
Because atheis are a 5% of the population in the US, not because they're better people.
>>72551929
>Any religion that relies on faith alone is completely anti-social and immoral
And this right here is the icing on the cake. You have no idea of religion, social skills or morality at all.
>>72552211
the goal post was ,do we have to have morals without god?
>>72552412
maybe you can point me to the post where that was stated
>>72552145
Christianity has evolved a lot and adapted to modern times. Creating a religion is not that simple although it's been proven efficient in small communities (although most of the time used for evil and hedonistic purposes). I think it's more efficient using the core of christianity and just keep on modernizing it overtime.
In the other hand, I think that the problem of Islam is at its root and it cannot be reformed, that's why it needs to be contained.
>>72544467
They're indecisive idiots and don't understand a question. I asked do you BELIEVE in god? They said I don't KNOW. The answer does not fit the question. Once a person hears a story they will instantly and subconsciously choose to believe it or not. Saying they don't know whether they believe is a lie.
not knowing =/= not caring
get your agnosticism straight.
>>72552306
>"I was born with strong morals because I'm a human being" meme.
He never claimed to have been born with morals. All he said was that a belief in a deity is not necessary to have morality.
>>72550086
Oh fuck, I didn't even notice.
>>72552938
I know I certainly do not know whether a being such as this "god" could possibly or impossibly exist. If this being were to exist it would certainly care naught for our little planet, unless it did. But I cannot perceive plots on such grand levels, I cannot fathom space or time or dimensions or anything of the sort, while to a supposed "god" this would all be second-nature. It would be folly to assume that I would be able to comperehend anything about such a "god"-like entity, which does certainly mean all religion is an utter joke, but the concept of a "god" is quite the opposite, as you will never know.
Do I believe in god? God could possibly exist, or perhaps not?
>>72550290
Well in that case, for some reason it looked like you were trying to make a fool out of our way of thinking, like the other idiots around here does.
Only difference between a cult and a religion is that in a cult, there's a guy at the top who knows it's all bullshit. In a religion, that guy's dead
>>72552306
>I was born with strong morals because I'm a human being" meme
more like science
something religitards cant do
>Empathy
>Reciprocity
is hardwired in all social animals
You have no clue what morality or ethics are, your ignorant and your that way because you believe in a book of fairy tales written by barbarians.
Athiests are better people because they commit less crimes against other people PER CAPITA (thats a math you might not know since christians hate science).
Its probably because they are anti-social psychopaths, with 4 year-old reasoning, and think that saying "sorry" to their imaginary friend excuses them from hurting other people.
Compare this to monkeys in the zoo (who have better moral reasoning then Christians) sine they know that how they treat others effects their survival and so it natural to cooperate.
Of ALL religions christians, due to faith alone mentality, are by far the most corrosive and disgusting cult in existence.
>>72544491
FPBP
>>72552673
>>72552306
Just to be clear you are immoral BECAUSE you believe in god.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to be moral AND believe in god.
>>72553908
>Compare this to monkeys in the zoo (who have better moral reasoning then Christians) sine they know that how they treat others effects their survival and so it natural to cooperate.
This is an excellent way to display atheism. They know their actions will impair their own providence so they abstain, but what if they could do vile things while only expecting fortune and profit in return? They'd do it immediately as there is literally no negative now that that silly divine punishment is out of the picture.
This is the entire basis of why god is required to keep people in check when nobody else can. It doesn't matter if god actually exists, it does matter that people believe he exists. What makes you think humans are any better than monkeys in a zoo?
>>72553908
>Athiests are better people because they commit less crimes against other people PER CAPITA (thats a math
maybe because they are at home neck bearding behind the pc ?
>>72554210
>What makes you think humans are any better than monkeys in a zoo?
Monkeys and Atheists are both superior to Christians morally.
>This is the entire basis of why god is required to keep people in check when nobody else can.
Only Christians believe that without them being watched 24/7 they would start raping and murdering.
Us normal humans don't have that deficit of ethical reasoning.
Sounds like a group that has no moral restraint. How disgusting.
Chrisitians are truly a nigger religion.
>if they could do vile things while only expecting fortune and profit in return?
You mean like what every church does?
>>72554210
>but what if they could do vile things while only expecting fortune and profit in return?
That's where empathy comes in. I know this concept is difficult to grasp for a sociopath, but some people actually feel bad when they harm others, instead of just fearing repercussions from an invisible superbeing.
>>72554381
It because they are not part of organizations that defraud the poor and molest children. (aka Churches)
Keep God out of America, so decent folk dont have to be victimized by criminal scum.
>>72554633
sure buddy at least we can breed the fuck out of you and in the end no more stupid atheism
>>72554906
Except all your descendants will abandon your caveman philosophy.
We are growing in the US, your religion is shrinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States
deal with it
>>72554633
I really don't know
>>72555145
sure m8 with that also muslims are comming, its going to be a great time to see gods wrath rain down on america
>>72554512
>>72554516
>empathy
Empathy only goes so far. Humans ultimately only care for themselves, their lives, and their perspective. How to reproduce, how to survive, this is what is important beyond all morals and ethics.
Without the threat of divine punishment they have to structure and keep themselves in check. Why would they ever do that? Sure they feel bad for some things, but there are other things yet that they do without any strain on their conscience. You also seriously overestimate the average mans conscience, as no normal person would do anything but look out for himself unless he profited off of sharing his resources.
As an example, an average person sees a homeless man sitting on the street. He feels bad for the homeless man and decides to give the homeless man money.
Why did he give the homeless man money? Because his thoughts made him feel bad for the homeless man, if he had not given money to the homeless man he would have felt bad about this moment for a while, so he rapidly gave the homeless man five bucks to not only entirely clear his conscience despite doing something negligible at best, but also feeling quite good about himself and his great action, perhaps he can even brag about giving money to homeless people!
Another example, a friend asks for some help, why do you help him? Because you value your friendship and it would impair it to refuse to aid him. You don't want to put something that profits you at risk, his friendship allows you to spend time having fun with him in the future, and you may also ask for favours in return later.
Just because you do something nice for someone doesn't mean you're actually being nice, as it is never an altruistic action, always benefiting yourself, whether it be physologically or more direct.
>>72555521
>Just because you do something nice for someone doesn't mean you're actually being nice, as it is never an altruistic action, always benefiting yourself, whether it be physologically or more direct.
You're a defective human being who projects his own serious flaws on everyone else. But seriously, keep worshiping your god. It has become very clear that you would become a monster if not kept in check by dogma.
i suppose i would be considered an agnostic with deist leanings if anything.
>>72555739
I don't believe in god.
>>72555905
So you don't believe in god, but you believe that belief in god is required to have morals. Then where do you think morals came from in the first place, dumbass?
>>72555521
>How to reproduce, how to survive,
You get to do that without empathy and reciprocity.
>Try to better yourself by robbing everyone else in the tribe
>end up getting stoned by a mob
Your responsible to people not your fucking gay sky fairy.
If Christians need to be monitored 24/7 to be moral, then clearly they should all be put in prisons to do just that.
>He feels bad for the homeless man and decides to give the homeless man money.
>Doesn't know the difference between reciprocity and altruism.
Only autists can't tell the difference.
You "ethics" belong in the bronze age.
>>72556181
It is reciprocity even if you do not acknowledge it as such. If it were altruism you would not have to be threatened by psychological strain over not doing it. Altruism is an impossibility for humans because they always need to be under threat of something to partake in supposed "altruism".
>try to better yourself by robbing one person in a tribe
>you succeed undetected
People cannot hold you responsible, you continue doing this in the future under similarly safe conditions.
I'm not saying overnight people would be murdering and raping in the streets, however, society at large would be negatively impacted if suddenly the concept of divine punishment ceases to exist entirely. If humans were left to figure out the science of morality without supernatural concepts you can be certain that it would be far more normal to forgo many currently "altruistic" actions, as they were never altruistic at all. People cannot be expected to hold certain levels of "altruism" if there is no punishment for not keeping them, they will lower the bar so that they may profit more personally.
>>72544467
>Mostly people who are sceptical but have put on real thought or effort into the question of God's existence, and hence conclude that they don't know.
It's a fine position, but I get angry when they join debates and just spam "you can't know," as if there're no spectrum of certainty based on the knowledge availible, and it's either "yes," "no," or "don't know"
>>72548701
>Atheism was probably one of the worst stages of my life in terms of personality.
There is more to life than your "belief" or "lack of belief". You just used atheism as a scapegoat for your own misdoings in your life. Your beliefs and personality should never be so intertwined. Using one guiding principle for your whole life will bring you only pain.
They're just atheists except less confrontational and slightly less fedora/autistic.
t. agnostic
>>72555145
The problem with this lies with most atheists focusing their hatred on Christianity, rather than acknowledging that while they may be all friendly and secular, the hordes of islamists coming into their countries aren't. It's like fighting fire with fire, you need religion to combat religion.
>>72544491
>>72544531
/thread
>>72559051
>t's like fighting fire with fire, you need religion to combat religion.
>Stalin = Atheism
>Hitler = Christianity
who won faggot?
>>72559306
>citing Soviet Russia as an ideal atheistic society
Yeah, a communistic, famine-ridden, self-destroying shithole that wasn't even particularly atheistic. Good job.
Agnostics remind me of those faggots who aren't left or right wing because 'like everyone has some good ideas and stuff so I'm just going to like not have any opinion strong on bad on anything and just let things happen instead of voting so at the very least something good happens in my country!'
It's like saying 'Well the president might be a serial small dog rapist but then again he might not be one so I'm just going to be open and contemplate on whether President Obama sneaks out of sight of SS every night to find weiner dogs in the DC area to rape." It's very obvious he doesn't rape small dogs seeing as how you would have to do many mental gymnastics in order to believe that he could do something like that without ever getting caught or killed by a crazy person recognizing him as president Obama. Same shit with Agnostics and God. It's very obvious God's don't exist since you would have to pull tons of mental gymnastics to believe that there are magical wizards from another dimension that are trying to stop us from things as trivial as sticking other men's dicks in our butthole.
That's not to say that I could understand why some people believe in God but you either do or don't. Agnostics are just either lazy faggots, dumb people who want to sound smart, or people who don't want to get involved in the whole religious debate (understandably) but doing a horrible job of staying neutral and uninvolved.
>>72544467
Pure agnostics are dumb.
Agnostics which lean on one side of the fence should be the norm, anything else is pure arrogance.
I don't think they exist
>>72544491
Kek
>>72560951
Where does "I don't know, and I don't care" land on your spectrum?
>>72561098
It's where the label "Go commit an hero" is.
>>72560222
Is it funny that I am agnostic and Libertarian?
>>72544467
Why do you care- questions back in your ballpark
if you claim to not know because god might exist, then you're holding out on the possibility that any god ever created by humans might exist.
there's some extremely stupid shit on that list
>>72560222
>Agnostics remind me of those faggots who aren't left or right wing because 'like everyone has some good ideas and stuff
This analogy doesn't really work. Either you believe there is a deity who is relevant to your life or you don't. On the other hand, you can disagree with the extreme and erroneous beliefs of both libs and cons and be unable to determine who is the "lesser evil" to vote for.
>>72559051
nigger, I hate Christcucks because they're either Jew wannabes or good goy retards.
anti-semitic atheism is best atheism
>>72559306
daily reminder that communism is a Jewish construct
The only logical conclusion.
>>72544580
>How dare you not subscribe to my atheistic dogma!
>>72545145
Takvi smo mi Srbi, zato nas i svrbi
>>72562374
>until a Theist can prove it to me, I will have to lack a belief
So in other words, if you can't prove the existence of God, you should believe anyway just in case. B8 or legit retard?
>>72544580
>Implying you know 100% there is a God or not.
I'm atheist, because I don't agree with the idea of religion and I think it's a sham made to control dumb populations
now whether there is some sort of god or not, I don't know, and if it exists, it doesn't seem to give a single fuck about us so who cares
>>72562374
I hope you aren't that much of a shithead. Being an atheist means having a disbelief in God. We, as a whole, aren't asserting that there is no God. Most of us believe there is no evidence for the existence of God so it is foolish to believe and worship one.
>>72562631
Which god?
>>72561206
So you don't have a real response then. That's fine. I don't really care. It's not a big deal.
>>72544467
A lot of self proclaimed agnostics seem to think that agnosticism is some middle ground between atheism and theism, when it's really not.
The question of what you believe (atheist vs theist) is not something you can answer with the term agnostic in order to avoid a "side", agnostisim addresses knowledge and what you claim to know or you believe to be knowable.
It's fine that agnostics claim lack of knowledge about the existence of gods but it doesn't tell us anything about their belief. All agnostics are also either atheists or theists, and most of them do not explicitly state a belief in god which makes them atheists. Weak atheists to be precise.
Providing they understand that then I don't have a beef with them. I'm an agnostic atheist (or weak atheist) myself.
>>72562995
Any
>>72544467
The worst scum, It's understandable why person would be atheist or theists, because of their deep held believes, but this scum have turned into neutrals, and nobody knows what deep darkness made them do that.
>>72559306
>comparing two sides of the same coin
Nice one
>>72545496
fagget atheist detected
>>72549556
>JA MhEME
What did Kek mean by this?
>>72563027
Eh, for a real response is that I don't care either.
But it'd be more of a pure agnosticism than unpure.
>>72562521
>So in other words, if you can't prove the existence of God, you should believe anyway just in case. B8 or legit retard?
Not an argument
I'm agnostic
ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun
1.
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
It is the most scientific postion
If you can't prove it
There is a possibility it could exist
Prove god doesn't exist
Burden of proof is on you just as much as it is on the religious
burden of proof
phrase of burden
1.
the obligation to prove one's assertion.
No question begging epithet pls
>>72562953
Why can't you atheist define atheism when an agnostic questions you?
>>72563651
>>72564137
>Not an argument
le sperg catchphrase.txt
>Prove god doesn't exist
Burden of proof is on you just as much as it is on the religious
That's not how burden of proof works. A lack of belief in something =/= an assertion that that thing does not exist.
I know more atheist Muslim supporters than agnostic. There are more agnostic who don't deny the amount of philosophy for evidence of God, but are just too scared to make the leap of faith, so they are more cultural Christians than Atheists are.
>>72564417
>atheist when talking to the religious
>God isn't real
>prove that he is religious fucks
>Burden of proof is on you
>atheist when talking to agnostic
>Being an atheist means having a disbelief in God. We, as a whole, aren't asserting that there is no God.
Why can't atheism be held up to their own standards?
I'll wait
>inb4 another question begging epithet
>>72564777
>theist: There is one god, and He created the universe, and you must serve Him by blah, blah, blah
>atheist: That doesn't make sense. I don't believe you.
>theist: YOU CAN'T PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST! Burden of proof is on you, atheists btfo xD
>>72549707
I am a bisexual agnostic vegan kek
>>72565298
this
>>72565298
>atheist: There is no god. I believe in science
>agnostic: That is not a very logical or scientific postion can you prove your assertion?
>atheist: REEEEE HE DOESN'T EXIST YOU FENCE SITTING COWARD! burden of proof is on the religiousfags, NOT ME >:(
>>72544467
I wouldn't mind them if it weren't for the fact that 90% of people who claim they're Agnostic really mean they're Agnostic Atheist. Yeah no shit true knowledge of God is an inherently unknowable concept. Every rational minded person thinks this way, but it has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or not and has more to do with your philosophical beliefs than your religion.
If you can't answer the question of whether you believe in god with a simple "yes" then you're an Atheist, no ifs ands or buts about it.
>not being an absurdist
>>72565726
If you don't have a belief in a deity, you're an atheist. Period.
See: many posts itt explaining what agnostic actually means.
>>72566299
>atheism=agnosticism
a·the·ist
ˈāTHēəst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/
noun
1.
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
Dictionaries are your friend
Agnosticism is mutually exclusive from atheism.
>Agnostic doesn't have anything to do with or describe anything about belief
>I don't care what the dictionary says I'm using my own definition
>autism
"Agnostic atheist" is just a new atheist attempt to hide behind agnosticism weak wordplay.
To believe something is to accept it as true or valid. In order to do this, you must have knowledge of it. Thus, belief always requires knowledge.
New atheists are really trying to hide behind agnosticism. There's an atheism site, atheism.org that literally says "you can't trust dictionaries to define atheism".
http://atheismplus.com/
Also I asked for no question begging epithets but sources and facts
Guess that was too much to ask for
>>72566299
Let me help you out further
Here are terms I will provide you
Antitheism: (sometimes anti-theism) is active opposition to theism. The term has had a range of applications. In secular contexts, it typically refers to direct opposition to organized religion or to the belief in any deity, while in a theistic context it sometimes refers to opposition to a specific god or gods.
Misotheism: is the "hatred of God" or "hatred of the gods" (from the Greek adjective μισόθεος "hating the gods", a compound of μῖσος "hatred" and θεός "god").
New Atheism: is the journalistic term used to describe the positions promoted by atheists of the twenty-first century. This modern day atheism and secularism is advanced by critics of religion and religious belief, a group of modern atheist thinkers and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises in government, education and politics.
Atheism: is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities.Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.
Antireligion: is opposition to religion. The term may be used to describe opposition to organized religion, or to describe a broader opposition to any form of belief in the supernatural or the divine. Antireligion is distinct from atheism (the absence of a belief in deities) and antitheism (an opposition to belief in deities), although antireligionists may also be atheists or antitheists.
>>72566994
Agnosticism: is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable.
Apatheism: (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic atheism or practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity or deities.
Ignosticism: is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless, because the term "god" has no unambiguous definition. Ignosticism requires a good, non-controversial definition of god before arguing on its existence.
Irreligion: (adjective form: non-religious or irreligious) is the absence, indifference, rejection of, or hostility towards religion
Secular humanism: (alternatively known by some adherents as Humanism, specifically with a capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism) embraces human reason, ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the bases of morality and decision making.
Dystheism: (Greek δύσ θεος "bad god"), the belief that a god is not wholly good, and is possibly evil. Trickster gods found in polytheistic belief systems often have a dystheistic nature.
Solipsism: (from Latin solus, meaning "alone", and ipse, meaning "self")is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside of the mind. As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist.
>>72566762
If your answer to the question "Do you believe in one or more deities?" is "I don't know," then you either didn't understand the question or are lying.
Not sure why you sperged out and started listing terms irrelevant to our argument, but hey, you do you man.
