My dad works for a company called FSIRV. Its the largest Bank Fraud technology company in North America, maybe world, its worth roughly 30 billion. My dad is a decent ways up the ladder in the company and his annual income is around 360k a year. I asked him how much taxes he paid last year, and he said he paid around 150k. Thats nearly double the annual income of an American. Yet muh socialism says he should pay more. Wtf?
>>72492551
well based on the taxes Bernie released, your dad makes like 150k more than him. So Bernie doesn't fucking care about your dad.
What is your dad going to lose from paying more in taxes?
Is he going to have to buy a lexus instead of a bentley?
Is he going to have to have a 5 bedroom house instead of a six bedroom?
Will he have to to downgrade to a non-penthouse suite when he goes on vacation around the world?
Dang, sucks for him..
We definitely shouldn't try to fund universal healthcare and college education, he should have those things.
Or we could even tax the poor people more! if they have to pay more it means losing their homes/cars, no food, no birthday gifts or christmas presents, definitely no vacation IF they could afford one in the first place... but its all the same right?
>>72493298
>Australian using a proxy
>>72493298
Or his dad can leave the country and go literally anywhere else
>>72493298
Littered with strawmans. Shitty post
Many things are memes.
Ideas that are propagated without any investigation by the individuals propagating it are memes.
>>72493298
What incentive do I have to bust my ass and become successful if the payoff after putting all that time and effort in is totally gimped?
>>72493298
>anybody richer than me doesn't deserve what they have
>>72493495
Obviously I cherry picked examples to prove a point, but please tell me what will change in the life of someone that rich that justifies not trying to improve american society?
People that rich live way better lives than almost everyone in the country.
Taxing them deprives them of only hedonistic luxury.
People are starving out there, barely getting by, but you want to fight to let that guy keep his bentley, figuratively speaking.
>>72493541
thats the beauty of life. whats the point at working towards anything if in the end the pay off is death.
>>72493298
My dad has a BMW and a 2-3 bedroom house. About 2000 square feet. Doesn't go on vacation because he works his ass off.
>>72492551
Welcome to America, where the rich work hard and the poor get anything they want
>>72493541
Liberals hate success, so it's no surprise they want to punish people who are successful. It's in their mentality, they think success is pure luck and thus no one actually earns it.
>>72493298
My dad is dead you whore
>>72493541
>gimped
Driving a lexus is a gimped incentive?
5 bedroom house a gimped incentive?
Do you hear yourself?
You can always bust your ass more and make more money to get those things but that isn't the problem, because even if the only thing in the world you are missing is that 20 million dollar yacht you are still going to scream that you should have more because you simply dont give a shit about the country, the people in it, or the future of the country.
Just yourself.
>>72492551
>Is Tax the Rich a meme or something?
Absolutely. Pic related.
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/tax-burden-top-1-now-exceeds-bottom-95
>>72494105
>your loss
>>72492551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbFACy2mna8
>>72493298
Think about it in the first place you half-wit, why SHOULD he pay more? The quickest answer any whiney liberal will give you is "Because they're rich."
So what? He has more money than you, that's just a fact that he has acumiliated more wealth than you. Nothing says you're entitled to somebody else's earnings from their own work. Explain in reasoning why that makes sense? There should be a flat tax, everybody pays the same percentage regardless of income.
Fucking socialists can't even articulate why they're entitled to something, and when they do it's the biggest crock of shit you could ever hear.
>>72492551
I always fucking loved this meme.
>you are more successful than I am and earn more so you WILL pay more taxes than i do even tho we both get the same "benefits" from paying them
I'am not saying that everyone should have one tax or that wealthy people shouldn't pay anymore than poor people do.
BUT COME THE FUCK ON sometimes these are just ridiculous numbers.
>bernie 90% tax isn't too much sanders
IMO it should always (or most of the time) be a % of one's income, the fact that this % increase as your income increase is fucking ridiculous.
Red-pill yourselves fags.
>>72494168
That's because the middle and lower have nothing
>>72492551
How much more would it be? 50% is good enough. Healthcare savings? Listen. Trump wants pretty much the same economics plus stupid shit about nothing and tax cuts. Do you want debt and inflation and negative interest and a weak Dollar instead? Lucky it isn't the 60-85% of 50+ years ago
>>72493298
Are you 12? How does someone become this indoctrinated? I hope to god you're trolling.
>>72494059
Success is literally pure luck.
Everything is pure luck.
How intelligent you are, good looking, personality traits, all genetic lottery.
Where you are born, who raises you, what friends you make, what experiences you go through in life growing up all luck.
That doesn't mean people don't work hard, they do, but people are not born equal, and the circumstances they are born into are never the same.
>>72493541
A 5 bedroom house isn't an incentive, but a 6 bedroom is?
People making $1,000,000+ a year don't need that much. Its better some of that money go to health care to keep people healthy so tehy can be productive in life. Or would you rather have a bunch of sick people that don't do anything, or even worse, sit at home sick all day while collecting a disability check every week.
>>72494298
The higher up you go the less work you do. CEO is a lemonade stand for grown ups. They set "cultures". Fuck traps and do drugs. Never lift a finger. Somebody wiping their asses. All the shit we give them does nothing. Meanwhile construction workers are falling from scaffoldings
>>72493298
>What is your dad going to lose from paying more in taxes?
What is he going to gain from paying more taxes?
And yes, it does sucks for him because people lose will to actually become useful in society and successful because of this ridiculous tax and when they think that they can have a challenging work and give away half of it in taxes OR have a easy light work, earn much less but also pay much less taxes and the difference starts to shrink.
Why do you think all the major companies are moving out of the US?
>>72494349
>That's because the middle and lower have nothing
They deserve less.
>>72494349
>That's because the middle and lower have nothing
No they don't. You have no idea what you are talking about. The fact is that the tax burden on the top 1% has increased since the ideas. The US actually has one of the most progressive tax systems in the world.
>>72494059
That and they don't understand the risks and opportunity costs involved in trying to strike it rich.
for instance, they'll scream and hiss about business owners and >muh 1%. But what percentage of new businesses fail within a year or two? A vast majority. But they don't see that. They just see the most easily-viewable end result, which is the cherrypicked rich people who were successful and scraped their way to the top. The concept of risk:reward and the fact that they're just seeing the reward phase doesn't occur to them.
>>72494496
>>72494509
Look at my pic. Read what I say.
>>72494525
I have a great business idea but this system is a sewer and I don't know if I want the liabilities
>>72494426
well, to be fair.. if you aren't literally retarded you can affect your own intelligence through actually trying.
>>72493298
Rich people need money to invest in and create new businesses.
The left ironically shits on upward mobility and the middle class in this respect; since the ultra-rich buy-out leftist politicians and aren't hurt by taxes anyway; and the poor remain stagnate as they have no incentive to try harder while suckling government teet.
Also, Trump's plan taxes the poor less than they have been in decades; and the rich all have to pay at least 30% or more, with no loopholes. I don't know what you lefties are so buttrustled about with Trump. He's the most economically leftist Republican to ever get this close to winning.
>>72494545
Your picture is meaningless, and what you said was stupid.
>>72494426
>you were lucky to be born with a high IQ and become successful
>therefore you don't deserve your wealth
Not an argument. B does not follow A
>>72494600
All I know is 70% of economy is consumers. The ultra elite do not consume mere Dollars. Fiat money. Derivatives. Gold backed currencies. If minimum wage was with the priorities or inflation of the 1960s it would be $26/hour
>>72494440
>the higher up you go the less work you do
Even if that were true, that would just be a perk of working your way to the top in a private business and having the ability to delegate tasks. Welcome to the free market.
As for the rest of your tantrumatic diatribe, eat shit. Construction workers are falling from scaffoldings are they? Maybe if the free market had someone making harnesses and safety ropes then maybe he wouldn't have fell.
Oh wait, we do have that shit. Guess it sucks for that dumbass who fell off the scaffolding. People have been dying for thousands of years. Get used to it.
>>72494509
>ideas
This was supposed to be 80s btw. I'm a retard too I guess.
>>72494674
Nah. Objectively with IQ or crime or wealth or vice your blue states kill it and the read ones are quasi dying ones
>>72494300
>the fact that this % increase as your income increase is fucking ridiculous.
Not really. 10% tax on someone who makes $20k a year affects them more than a 10% tax on someone who makes $2 million a year.
For the $20k guy, losing $2k can be 3 months rent, whole year worth of food. That $2k can really affect basic living.
$200k lose for someone who makes $2 million... what, they can't afford a new boat I guess? Their basic living needs won't change.
>>72493855
Yeah he deserves his Bentley if he worked hard in school or worked hard in his business. Why should he fund some niggers who shoot each other all day. Or some liberal faggot majoring in womens studies telling everyone we are raping them.
He had to pay for his college.Now if he wants give his kid college by saving up he can't. He can't because the government takes that money to pay for a shittier college for everyone.
>>72494440
I asked my pops the same thing. He said the CEO for FSIRV works around 200 hours a week or some crazy number like that.
Can't do anything without at least having his phone to do work on
>>72494753
What is "a ponzi scheme and why I don't do anything about my positions on the cocksucking ladder" for 1200 please Alex
>>72494784
he works more hours then there is in a week what a fucking legend.
>>72494763
Again you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>72493298
It's easy for you to say something like that when you're in a low tax bracket. Empathy goes both ways, there are rich people who truly believe in social welfare and are paying a hefty sum to the government for entitlement programs, yet poor people just openly trash talk the rich because they have more money, despite the fact that they're leeching off of the rich. So when you have a politician lampooning open hatred against rich people, you're dividing the social classes even further
>>72494298
The country needs certain things, and the rich are the ones in the best position to help pay for it as it doesnt affect their life severely.
How else is universal healthcare and college education going to be paid for?
You act like im getting a free xbox from the tax raise, no the entire country is getting healthcare and college education.
You should be happy about those things but you are not because you aren't sick, and you are already rich or done with college so fuck the future of the country right?
>>72494833
>all companies are horrible ponzi schemes with evil CEOs who hate everyone and take their profits
Quite the victim complex you got going on there.
>>72494440
sounds like the construction workers need to watch their fucking step and stop taking up room in hospitals.
>>72494784
Well when shareholders vote to block his compensation increases the other companies are allowed to block this based on communal averages. Because this isn't socialism or collusion at all. I don't like rigging things and just because he "needs" to be on linkedin these days doesn't make it a requirement. Do you think some guys in silicon or in London are fooling around on cell phones all day? Nah.
>>72494870
I said it was an estimate dumbass
And I suck at math
>>72494545
I watched the fucking sauce! and I stand by what I said.
>>72494921
I didn't save my image version of my point and can't find it again but whatever. Home prices are nuts yes. But doing things like banning export of unrefined crude is socialist and helpful. You guys do it. We don't
Wtf let me live in your basement
>>72494985
Or the board or whatever. American Psycho is not an advertisement for good living or a good society
>>72495024
The edge so sharp a contrarian wouldn't go near it
>>72494985
What's LinkedIn? He works for a business that is constantly striking deals with anything from private banking corporations all the way up to around a hundred iternational governments. He has to approve every deal that is around a million+ to make sure it isn't a money waster. And he also has to keep track of he companies GDP or whatever. And who is working/fired. He isn't posting pictures of his new office for his 1% friends to like
>>72494930
>The country needs certain things
Sure.
>and the rich are the ones in the best position to help pay for it as it doesnt affect their life severely.
So what if it affect their life severely or it doesn't? How can you be the judge of that?
>How else is universal healthcare and college education going to be paid for?
With a flat tax rate.
>You act like im getting a free xbox from the tax raise, no the entire country is getting healthcare and college education.
Is that right? So when this hypothetical tax raise happens and the rich start leaving and investing their money outside of the country where are your hospitals and universities then?
>You should be happy about those things but you are not because you aren't sick, and you are already rich or done with college so fuck the future of the country right?
Why should I be happy about anything like that? Again, you can't articulate why someone with more money should pay a higher tax rate.
>>72494600
"trying" is a trait, some people have an insatiable ability to persevere, some quit very easily.
Again, it is luck.
Ask both types of people if they want to be rich and they will say yes.
>>72494680
Never said they don't deserve their wealth, said they were wealthy due to luck.
Everyone in society matters, from janitors to CEO's. There are basic human rights that we can give to everyone who isn't fortunate enough to be well off, and the wealthy are in a position to help a little more than most.
Everyone can't be rich, not being rich doesn't mean you are a useless drag on society. We can offera better life for the necessary bottom rung of people, why wouldn't we do that?
Because we are greedy?
>>72494118
>even if the only thing in the world you are missing is that 20 million dollar yacht you are still going to scream that you should have more because you simply dont give a shit about the country, the people in it, or the future of the country.
Those are some big, big assumptions we're making there. You're almost talking as if rich people didn't make any contribution to economy and just took all their golds and buried them under their mansions.
Do you perhaps happen to ignore the fact that the 20 million yacht doesn't just get magically created from the bills, but involves people working on it, earning a wage and a profit when the yacht is finally sold, of course proportional to its huge price.
>>72495080
Republicans want to lift the ban (which is very old). I'm not sure what your point is.
>>72492551
>largest Bank Fraud technology company
Goldman Sachs?
>>72495306
>We can offera better life for the necessary bottom rung of people
The poor in this country get free healthcare, free education, free housing, food stamps, etc. The poor has electricity, internet, running water, cellphones, etc. What more do you want?
>>72495012
>suck at math
thats a fucking understatement. its not an estimate. its just a number you threw out there because you're fucking retarded and everything you say from here out will be considered exaggerated bullshit you faggot.
210 is enough for anyone to live comfortably instead of a 360 while being molested by the angry mob that happens when you let the poor starve.
>>72494168
Income taxes are not a good picture of the total tax burden on an individual. They just helpfully ignore all the regressive taxes like excise, sales, tariffs, etc.
>>72495759
>starve
Yes, the fattest country on Earth with restaurants on every street corner is "starving".
>>72494782
Do you think this country is majority useless lazy criminals?
You realize if that were the case the country wouldn't function right?
The funding would go to good, hardworkign people for the most part, yes some would be wasted on filth but it is unavoidable and I hope you would help 10 people even if you knew 2 of the 10 were fakes or whatever.
>>72495286
I can't really be the judge but collectively as a society we can judge. That guy not getting his bentley might be the worst thing that ever happened to him, but if you ask society if they think that is severe most people will say no. Democracy follows and the majority makes the rules.
If the flat tax rate raises taxes on the poor than it is irredeemable. Again, you are taking from people who have so very little, do some research on the percentage of americans living paycheck to paycheck.
Aaaand then you go off into your doomsday situation where all the rich leave in a mass exodus.
>>72492551
Well clearly what money he does keep he made because someone else went without! He is only rich because he took that money from someone else who deserves it more! This is basically Bernie's ideology.
>>72495867
>That guy not getting his bentley might be the worst thing that ever happened to him
And then you ask the lower bracket that they might have to give up their iPhone and go back to a keyboard phone so they can get cushioned university chairs, and you get riots.
>>72495306
>they were wealthy due to luck
I have no problem with your messy fairy tales of justice, but please, don't just brush off and understimate the effort people make to have what they have. That's just a cheap way of belitting their effort and justify in your mind taking things for them.
>the wealthy are in a position to help a little more
Define a "little more". Preferably in terms of % relative to what poor and middle classes should pay.
>>72495343
No here's website.
https://www.fiserv.com/index.aspx
Also if any of the head guys decided to go super villain they have enough info to dox like a billion people lmao
>>72495760
Those vary wildly depending on where you live. In the context of taxation from the federal government, we have a very progressive tax system in general.
>>72495867
>You realize if that were the case the country wouldn't function right?
Our country is barely functioning.
>The funding would go to good, hardworkign people for the most part,
Yeah, but it doesn't. It just sets up incentive for people to not work, so the laziest will always flock to free shit. There are many people on welfare and food stamps who plan to never get a job as long as they live, and their kids won't either. It's not like people get on welfare when they really need it just to last them between jobs, they are on that shit lifelong.
>>72493855
>People are starving out there,
Literally no one starves in the US. The only cases of people starving are due to neglect, abuse, or mental illness.. Between food stamps, soup kitchens, shelters, Christian charities, the general low cost of food in the US, people don't starve. Our "poor" are in the 1% for the whole world. Our "poor" have cable TV, computers, and cell phones. Homeless people are for the most part mentally ill.
Anyways, its better for the poor if there are more jobs instead of having to leech off the welfare state, that is true empowerment. When you go crazy with taxes like Bernie wants, jobs vanish quickly, then people HAVE to use welfare. Too many taxes and too much welfare just makes everyone subservient to the State in the end, or a lot more people than there were before.
>>72495323
Well, with offshore accounts they sort of do bury shit, panama papers showed what the super rich do with their money.
And im nto saying there shouldn't be rich people or that they arent an integral part of the economy, just saying they dont lose out on much with a tax raise relatively
>>72495463
You and I both know how utterly dishonest that statement is.
All I want is true universal healthcare, and free 2 years of college that will entice future generations to pursue learning.
>>72495867
>If the flat tax rate raises taxes on the poor than it is irredeemable. Again, you are taking from people who have so very little, do some research on the percentage of americans living paycheck to paycheck.
Oh man, you must hate Sanders then
>>72494426
>Everything is pure luck.
wew lad
>>72496429
>You and I both know how utterly dishonest that statement is.
What? In this country we have medicaid, pell grants, food stamps, government subsided housing and all sorts of assistance for the poor. There's a huge safety net.
>All I want is true universal healthcare, and free 2 years of college
How do you think this should work exactly? Just blank checks?
>>72494426
>Everything is pure luck
>That doesn't mean people don't work hard
>CEOs are only CEOs because of luck
If it's luck well I guess we're just unlucky we're not CEOs right? Sucks for us. Working hard isn't a product of luck now, is it?
Ok I was looking at some photos of the company. What the actual fuck is this photo about
>>72496015
I said multipel times that luck has nothign to do with how hard they worked. Lebron James was extremely lucky being born the physical specimen he is. That takes nothing away with how amazingly hard he worked to achieve his success.
If Lebron was born a midget, he would not be successful in the NBA. A exaggerated example obviously but you get the point.
>>72496410
gross, sweeping, baseless genralizations and assumptions.
My Mother, and aunts all got on wealfare to feed their families and get through nursing school, both are off welfare and one runs her own business. I know anecdotal evidence doesnt mean much, but your baseless assumptions mean nothing.
Yea I meant the starving thing figuratively, I should have used the word struggling.
No one is going crazy with taxes, jobs won't disappear..
>>72496729
By that logic why give the poor anything at all? Their bad luck will cause it to be meaningless.
>>72493298
> he should have those things
he should if he fucken earned em', you sniveling little worm
if you spent the amount of energy into making good decisions and executing that you put into whimpering like a cur, maybe you could have a nice ride and a nice place to live
God help me, fucking people who blame their wretchedness on others and get all smarmy while they are at it disgust me.
>>72496444
Yea I knew you were gonna say this, what I meant was if you raise a rich person and a poor persons taxes the same amount it is irredeemable because the poor person is suffering way more than the rich persons.
Of course everyone is going to have chip in, solely taxing the rich will not be enough.
>>72496497
>>72496729
Working hard is a product of luck. Perseverance, stubbornness, will, dedication, ambition. These are all characteristics that vary wildly from person to person.
Why is that? did the CEO's sign up for all the good stuff before they were born?
No, they jsut got lucky with the genetic loterry, lucky with where they born, lucky with the parents they were raised bye, lucky with the experiences they had growing up and the friends/connections they made.
Both Nature and nurture are luck.
>>72496963
I guess you should use the word "talent" instead of luck if that's the case. It's still just a justification you use to belittle their achievements and make it easier for your sense of morality to take more from them.
I keep waiting for my answer about how much is that "little more" you said rich people should contribute.
>I meant the starving thing figuratively, I should have used the word struggling.
Man, your posts are all over the place. Did you get good sleep?
"Struggling" has a different meaning than "starving", it differs by a LOT, for you to just call it a "figurative" form of speech.
And you're just digging the grave of your own arguments, because you just admitted that people can live with those basic needs you talk about with the current system of welfare. The "struggling" term you use is just a synonym of "living having to cut on some costs".
>>72497457
If everything is deterministic, why are you so angry?
>>72492551
Setting out, then, from the maxim that equal sacrifices ought to be demanded from all, we have next to inquire whether this is in fact done, by making each contribute the same percentage on his pecuniary means. Many persons maintain the negative, saying that a tenth part taken from a small income is a heavier burthen than the same fraction deducted from one much larger: and on this is grounded the very popular scheme of what is called a graduated property tax, viz. an income tax in which the percentage rises with the amount of the income.
>>72492551
>>72498126
On the best consideration I am able to give to this question, it appears to me that the portion of truth which the doctrine contains, arises principally from the difference between a tax which can be saved from luxuries, and one which trenches, in ever so small a degree, upon the necessaries of life. To take a thousand a year from the possessor of ten thousand, would not deprive him of anything really conducive either to the support or to the comfort of existence; and if such would be the effect of taking five pounds from one whose income is fifty, the sacrifice required from the last is not only greater than, but entirely incommensurable with, that imposed upon the first. The mode of adjusting these inequalities of pressure, which seems to be the most equitable, is that recommended by Bentham, of leaving a certain minimum of income, sufficient to provide the necessaries of life, untaxed. Suppose 50£ a year to be sufficient to provide the number of persons ordinarily supported from a single income, with the requisites of life and health, and with protection against habitual bodily suffering, but not with any indulgence. This then should be made the minimum, and incomes exceeding it should pay taxes not upon their whole amount, but upon the surplus.
Damn, burger. You must have a fun life. Most expensive thing ever bought?
>>72497609
20 years ago they could, times change.
>just a justification
If something is justified that makes it morally right and reasonable...
I am not belittling anything, just being a realist.
And I didn't say that their success is the reason they should give more, I said they should give more because it has less of an effect on their lives.
The success being luck argument is a separate issue that is a fact once you really think about how crazy impressionable and susceptible humans are as children, and the effects that result from the way someone is raised.
It is infinite really, liek people think of luck as positive only.
What if a kid watches his mother get murdered and becomes a sociopath. With his new found lack of empathy he enters the business world and ruthlessly carves his way to the top.
What are the chances of him seeing the murder? of him becoming a sociopath? Of him living as a sociopath and not getting into trouble.
that coupled with the obvious luck of connections and opportunity and timing that is needed to make it anywhere in this worlds and it is really black and white how everything is due to luck.
>>72497457
see>>72497612
Why are you complaining?
>>72498427
RAWR FLAG
>>72498708
You really do like going off the tracks in some meta bullshit discussion. ¿How much more should rich people give? Was the main question of my post.
Also, ¿Do you think one can craft his own luck? If you do, many of your points are flawed, if you don't, then i take it you don't believe in freedom or equality since the beginning, so why bother?
If you're really sleep deprived or high on drugs then by all means get some rest and come back to make a thread tomorrow. This kind stuff always gets replies so don't worry.
>>72497612
because as a society we have the ability to recognize the truth of the world and create a better place for everyone.
People love to shit on bums, and you will often hear people say "if I was the bum i'd stop drinking and get a job"
That isn't how it works, you don't get to just transfer who you are and grew to be into the bums body and say you are better than him.
If you were that bum, you would have been born that bum, raised that bum, and made every single decision and endured every event that led to him being homeless.
That is reality, and you should be happy that those werent the cards you drew.
Everyone is needed, as a people we should be lifting up our fellow man, even if it is apparent he is inferior.
Not demonizing them and isolating ourselves in some bubble of superiority.
>>72492551
>150k. Thats nearly double the annual income of an American.
Are we just going to let him get away with this bullshit?
>>72499125
I don't have an exact number, it should be more but not too much more. Enough to create the america everyone deserves.
What do you mean why bother? Why bother living and enjoying life? why bother trying to create a better world for my children and future generations? Why bother trying to stop poverty and ignorance and crime?
Wtf do you mean?
People aren't equal, thats a fact, im not as smart as einstein or as tall as kobe.
In the eyes of the government we are equal and free, as it should be.
I'm not sure where you are going with what im saying about luck, no one knows whats in store.
A bum could turn his life around at any moment, but figuratively speaking, he can't go back to school if there isn't a school to go to.
>>72493855
Bijection:
Rich -> American (First world)
"Poor" Americans -> Africans (Third world)
Really what you are saying is that rich people getting taxed more = first world problems. The problem is 99% of America also shares such problems. Should Americans share their wealth with third worlders? No, reality starts to become obvious, these "luxuries" are no longer merely luxuries, and scarcity becomes apparent, and the idealism of wealth redistribution shatters and the essence of reality permeates through, airing out all ideological appeal.
>>72500516
I recognize the ideology cannot hold when applied on a global level.
It is unfortunate, but throughout the thread I have repeatedly emphasized that we can make a better american society/country.
We have the ability to take this little piece of earth and make something great that enriches and benefits everyone for hopefully a very long time.
Once we accomplish that and progress further as a society, and technologically then we can focus on fixing the rest of the worlds problems.
Right now it's impossible which is why we must focus on america, but you seem to be implying that because we can't fix everything we shouldn't fix anything. Or that because third world countries exist inequality and strife and degradation can't exist in a first world country.
>>72501053
Unless you incorporate eugenics into it, it is not sustainable.
>>72501053
Ahaha good luck in your socialist paradise :^)
>>72501053
You don't seem to understand, the vast majority of Americans, and first worlders in general, have it all. Anything more is a mere luxury. That is, the problem is with your definition of luxury, as it is relative. You are trying to argue that rich people don't need a Bentley, as it is a "luxury." However it is not that simple. With a different approach to luxury, the rich man lives similarly to his fellow countrymen, who all live like kings compared with third worlders.
>>72501869
I do understand, and operating within the relative bubble that is america, we as a society can decide what is luxury and what is the correct approach.
Different approaches are irrelevant, as society will collectively designate what is luxury and not worthy of stopping the progression of society in the form of universal healthcare and more people getting a higher education.
It is pretty simple.
>>72501275
Why must you people always go to the extreme like the world is filled with useless idiots.
Population control will have to be incorporated to make it sustainable, not fucking eugenics.
Who knows with genetic engineering advances we could all be super humans in a couple hundred years.
>>72501364
this is what I was waiting for, the smug dismissal of the pursuit of paradise.
What paradise are you after? The survival of the fittest paradise?
What is life like in your dream world?
All the not so smart people living in dirt working tirelessly like they deserve while the more competent people enjoy all the good things in life?
The ultra rich consolidate and make themselves even richer through the power their money gives them?
Fuck you.
All I want is a better world for everyone.
>>72502756
Yeah yeah the more free shit you are given the more you demand.
>>72493892
Fucking bitches and getting money mang. Wut are you stupid?
>>72502756
>Population control
>not fucking eugenics.
Are you serious?
>>72502756
>All the not so smart people living in dirt working tirelessly like they deserve while the more competent people enjoy all the good things in life?
The need for labor will soon become obsolete. Most of the people on Earth will become worthless providing no value whatsoever. The top 1% will then have a choice. Either...
A: Communist world providing for everyone
B: Cull everyone who provides no value
Now what do you think is more likely?
>>72492551
It's not a meme. It's how things have to happen, or else we will all be dead soon. The middle class in the US is now at its smallest percentage in its history. You simply can't tax it any further. The rich are hoarding and have created top tier (e.g. top 0.1%, not top 1%) brackets that are so mindblowingly rich people don't understand what we're even talking about it. Literally one person in the 0.1% bracket equates to somewhere like 100k-1million lower tier Americans. If you tax them a million dollars more, it will literally equate to taxing 1 million poor people $1. It's nothing.
>>72493298
You don't need a computer, anon. That money could be put towards education. You can have two meals a day and a room to live in, but the rest of your money is needed to pay for Jamal to study a subject he'll never understand or care about.
>>72496429
Free college is god damn ridiculous. There are already thousands of unemployed people with bachalors degrees. What are they gonna be worth when EVERYBODY has one? I just finished my first year of college paying out of pocket while DELVING PIZZA for a living. I don't see why this is such a big deal for people.
>>72502756
10/10 troll.
>>72503536
So true, a great deal of people using our free education don't really care about what they're studying at all. But hey, it's free and surely the future generations are getting smarter..right?
>>72503774
Tio for you: college is already free. All you have to do is have good grades, and bammo, nothing to pay
>>72494440
You're not paid for your work, you're paid for your responsibilities.
>>72492551
The actual super rich should pay their fair share in taxes. Where's a Panama Papers leak for Soros, Zuckerberg, the Google fuckers, etc.?
