Is the "alt right" (for lack of a better term) subversion/controlled opposition? It's gotten too big and widespread for it not to be, to some degree.
>>72443075
I don't feel controlled... but I do feel opposed. So no, we're not a controlled opposition, the real controlled oposition would be people like Shapiro.
>>72443292
This.
>>72443292
Nobody feels controlled. Every single movement gets subverted, especially one this large. Plus, if there's any movement that needs to be subverted, it's this one.
There's just no way it's still pure. There has to be some way that "we're" being useful in the grander scheme.
>>72443470
We will win then over time become cancerous like how the left became cancerous with the pc movement
alt-right means we're single males who live in the basement and jack it to anime.
>>72443620
I'm concerned that "we" are being useful idiots in a way that "we" don't understand. Every single movement in history thinks that they're righteous fighters of a positive cause; "we" are just one more. No members of a movement would continue to be a member if they knew they're being controlled.
>>72443740
I don't like the term. I think it's the media's way to lump in all young conservatives with Jew haters, but there's no other way to describe it, so I put it in air quotes.
>>72443470
I will share my waifu with you so that you may be pure, too.
I would like to squirt many little, fat, happy, white babies up Lauren Southern.
So nobody else is concerned about this?
Should we have an alrtight general?
>>72443075
The opposition to the Alt-Right should be referred to as the GNAA
Oldfags will remember GNAA
>>72446078
>>72443075
It's an outgrowth of the lolbertarian movement.
>>72446391
I think this.
Kind of libertarian-lite and without the slightly dubious economic ideas
>>72446571
It literally means "the people who we thought were on our side but are seeking alternatives to us."
>>72446391
Most of the alt-right mocks libertarians though, for their autistic focus on GDP and economics over more pressing issues like immigration, culture, demographics and foreign policy.
>>72446391
>>72446571
>>72446674
You guys don't know what you're talking about
>>72448238
OK, what does it mean, then? I want to know because apparently I am the living definition of alt-right.
>>72447168
This is where the "alt right" loses me. You can't trust a powerful central authority to be the regulator of "culture" because the more powerful the authority, the more corrupt it is.
If this shit is controlled opposition, I would say it's a way to get libertarians to support big government. The "movement" is slowly losing its ability to differentiate changes on the social front vs. the government front.
>>72447168
That's the main difference. A lot of libertarians worship Ayn Rand and honestly don't care about massive nonwhite immigration ... Except the very rich libertarians, who correctly recognize that an increase in the labor force will benefit the economy and possibly make them richer at the expense of lower class whites.
The Alt-Right is a loose coalition of disparate elements, but a unifying theme seems to be racial awareness. Alt-Right people want white countries to stay white. People like Sargon should stop pretending to be a part of it.
>>72443075
It's too disparate for anyone to control it even if they tried.
>>72443470
What "movement"? It's just an umbrella term enveloping everyone from Roosh V to Mencius Moldbug.
>>72448523
>What "movement"?
I've definitely heard "its" adherents refer to it as a social movement and treat it as such.
>>72448302
>jews are subverting western culture to promote Jewish interests. They are the enemy of the alt right and you hate them
>race is not a social construct and there are important differences between the races that make diversity and multiculturalism impossible and attempting it is dangerous for white people. You are anti non white immigration into white countries. Jews promote the idea that race is a social construct and push for immigration into white countries
>differences between the sexes are very real and very important. Women's first duty is to raise children. Women should not be encouraged to join the workforce. And they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Jews pushed for feminism and the destruction of the nuclear family in the west.
>democracy has failed.
You can believe other things too, but if you do not believe all those things I just listed, you are not alt right
>>72448895
Well, I wasn't alt-right to begin with. But I'm curious about the last one.
>democracy failed
What exactly do you mean by this?
>>72443075
It sounds more like a attempt to group consevatives (the actual ones, not neoliberals) with psychos like nazis, tinfoils, footbal hooligans, skinheads, Breivik etc.
>>72443075
Controlled opposition is about setting up retards and making it look like everyone who opposes you is equally retarded.
>>72449019
'conservatives' are all cucks though. alt-right seems to be more third positionist type politics.
Of course it is.
This is why Milo, Shapiro etc were shilled so hard here
Its why Milo continues to be shilled so hard
Just like alex jones
>>72449066
That can be said for the "alt right movement," though.
>>72449146
For what purpose?
>>72449171
To smear Alex Jones by association with knob-gobbling faggots.
>Alternative Right
>Alternative
...SJWs are the deluded ones...
>>72443075
Just a new word for "far right"
Hate non-whites, but don't want to be associated with neo-Nazi's.
>>72449255
Smear it to whom, though? The people who hold those beliefs already hold them. Milo is a medium to spread them to people outside of the belief structure.
I'm wondering what it is, about the message itself, is insidious.
>>72449011
I mean people are too stupid and uninformed to be trusted to vote and certain people shouldn't be allowed. I don't necessarily have the solution, but many on the alt right often float around ideas
>>72443075
Republicans are the controlled opposition. There are subversive elements in the alt right though--the biggest is Milo. He is trying to co opt the movement for personal gain, and possibly because he is Jewish.
>>72449429
>I mean people are too stupid and uninformed to be trusted to vote and certain people shouldn't be allowed.
I guess you should be glad to learn that we don't live in democracy, then, but rather a republic as you have just described and is required by the Constitution as a condition of statehood.
>>72449484
I can see this, but every single group says this exact thing about themselves. Bernie progressives say this exact thing about themselves.
What makes the group we're discussion different?
>>72449429
Statocracy
Only government workers can vote
Alt-Right is a retarded idea, and one not needed right now.
The biggest thread isn't leftism (not necessarily) it's globalism and internationalists.
These are both on the left and the right.
The true salvation of Europe and the Anglosphere would be outright nationalism.
>>72449137
Yup, thats just different perspective. Conservatives are still within the threshold of sanity and can be taken seriously by mainstream.
Whereas a conservative would say "they dont belong here" or "People should respect authorities", alrigter would say "they are inferior and must be exterminated, racewarnau" or "everyone must obey fuhrer"
>>72449755
I agree, but one idea the "alt right" stresses is the collusion between campaign finance, intellectual Marxism, political leftism, social justice movements, immigration acceptance, and globalism. That can't be ignored.
>>72449755
UK FOR THE UK
US FOR THE US
SPACE FOR THE COLONIES
>>72449586
This is a faggy reply.
>>72449755
Why do you dismiss the track record of nationalism while criticising communism base on its?
alt-right is light ethnic nationalism without the genocide but also a respect for personal freedoms and civic duty.
>>72443075
Fuck labels, fuck ideals. What we need is Determination, science, evidence and proof.
>>72443075
The libertarian movement was hijacked at very high levels. Alt-right will suffer the same.
The eternal Jew follows free minds with unlimited power and resources attempting to alter it into something Kosher.
Guess what, they won and will win again
>>72449920
Did you just call the Constitution faggy?
>>72449864
But then the alt-right will also allow internationalist libertarians, so they're already letting the enemies in to the camps.
>>72443075
I'm old school Rx (chateaubriand, de maistre)
alt right are just manchildren or assbitten centre-left antiestablishmentarians
>>72443470
Even Hitler was originally just a tool of competing factions in the Weimar Republic. With perseverance even the lowest of servants can become king.
>>72443075
>the alt right is controlled.
no, but they do tend to call out anyone for being a dipshit, and there has been plenty of dipshits lately
>>72450028
No, but it is
>>72443075
It's a bad attempt to categorise an ambiguous soup of Nth Position nominally right-wing politics into a single concise opposition group.
It doesn't actually exist
>>72450149
Well, maybe a gay jew celebrity nobody's ever heard of before really is more "alt" right according to official definitions.
>>72450201
Excellent point. It is a mess of suppressed right wing opinions and individuals.
But organized 'politics' like always will attempt to simplify it and control the script.
>>72450328
>m-m-muh constitution
Cuck
>>72450573
Don't you ever talk to me or my wife's bull like that again.
>>72449856
>Whereas a conservative would say "they dont belong here"
mainstream 'conservatism' in the west has been too cucked to say even this since the 50's. to 'conserve' means to always be on the defensive, conservatism is a losing ideology by default.
>>72450201
I'd go as far as to say the "Alt-right" is just everyone with general right wing politics who doesn't fall into the created orthodoxy of establishment left/right, clear schismatic ideals (evangelical religion vs progressivism, and every issue where there's a clear left-right narrative split ).
It's not even worth categorising the "Alt-left" because those groups exist solely as useful idiots for establishment goals, with the radical left supporting and violently backing massive migration, malignant state control and the disruption of society, often openly backed by the big globalist figures, like Soros.
>>72443075
this isn't alt, this is the new mainstream right
>>72451071
Bring back High Toryism.
>>72443075
>Is the "alt right"
A term liberals invented to describe anyone who disagrees with them on the internet, they foolishly thought for years the internet was leftists because we paid attention to the "just ignore them they will go away" retards
>>72443075
Please stop trying to apply identity politics to myself, and others. Stupid merchant.
The fact that defining "alt right" is so difficult for most people would suggest it's a fabrication designed to envelop as many opposing views to the current puppet masters. It's far easier to "control" a so called movement when it has been distilled into a group, one where you can begin playing the "If you are X group, you should believe in this".
Political and social views for most people are not that simplistic. You might be a nationalist, but not believe in wars of aggression. Or you might be a socialist, but only for your own race.
Good healthy political systems always have some degree of compromise between varying beliefs, but the western world has gone totally off the rails with consolidating as much of the electorate into as few groups as the Jews can possibly manage. It's got to the point where coalitions like the Republicans and Democrats don't even come close to giving minimal attention to their own bases, because to do so would upset some other sub-group in their party.
>>72451071
thats why I wrote "actual conservatives, not neoliberals", aka the people who care about more than just free markets.
>means to always be on the defensive, conservatism is a losing ideology by default
Thats an interesting thesis, but have you considered that even a defensive side might win?
Was all social engineering proposed to mankind accepted?
Were all revolutions succesful?
Or was there there ever an incident where people said "screw that, we are sticking with what's been working so far"?
>>72451182
Whoops, meant to reply to
>>72450397
But any who, it seems the most common ideals /pol/ and most of the ""Alt-right"" hold are something like;
>At minimum, cultural nationalism if not ethno-nationalist
>This differs from civic nationalism by not being nationalist for the state but for your cultural group, which in itself is tied to ethnicity
>Economic policies vary from libertarian to state-private co-operation
>Social ideals are similarly a mixed bag, but tend towards traditionalism and the protection of community (family and society as family) values, in measured approach, ranging down to less likely occurring more libertarian values
>"Socialist" policies tend to occur in a frame of traditionalism or weighed social value to the overall group e.g privatisation of key industries prone to monopoly, healthcare provision but only to the group, minimal welfare culture balanced with moving people back into work
>Neither pro- or anti- intellectual, not interested in philosophical purism for the sake of an ideology, more interested in realistically moving forward with society
>Biggest split is between "culture-firster" and ethno-nationalists over role race, ethnicity and culture play into social value of populations
>>72452922
You might be right or you might be wrong, but the people who made up the term "alt-right" will never tell you because that would go against their aims.
Alt-Right = Wide spectrum of economical and social policies where it boils down basically to ethnonationalism or identitarianism uncucked from external powers.
>>72449597
What makes the alt right controlled opposition?
>>72454929
Giving it a name so it can be categorized and opposed.
>>72455255
Controlled opposition is a group with illusionary influence that is deliberately allowed to exist solely to be beaten.
Being labelled and opposes isn't what makes a group controlled opposition.
>>72446391
"We all began as something else"
This post is the most important one in the thread, easily.
You what to know what the "Alt-right" is?
You want to know what we really are?
Let William Luther Pierce tell you.
Pic and video related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFEyZJMy-fI
>>72455859
Also, reminder, we are anything but "conservative" and most of us will become angry if you start to bitch about Trump not being "conservative enough"
We couldnt give a fuck.
>>72448329
i see, because letting the jews control our culture has worked out so well
>>72455615
You understand completely. As with, say, ISIS, or IS, or ISIL, they need to create of us the opposition with a given name and purpose that sticks in order to control us.
No but the jews are trying to gain control of it
>>72456176
This. People like milo are trying to steer us away from the race angle and into a more benign form of nationalism, which will probably be subverted further to the point where we're centrists by 2020.
Please remember that niggers are bad.
>>72449429
Voting needs to be restricted to people who either pay income taxes OR pay property taxes.
>>72456353
Doesn't matter, strong A.I will arrive before 2050. After that the great filter will destroy our civilization.
Theres a bracewell probe loaded with a digital exo-virus that is going to subvert any seed A.I it contacts.
Hopefully while it's plundering humanities data vaults, it saves our 4chan logs and gives the ETI some lolz.
>>72455648
I, myself, began as yet another unquestioning liberal, who through time at an extremely liberal college, began to see through the cracks in my own ideological foundation, which in turn allowed me to abandon my beliefs and discover the truth on my own terms.
Now, I still retain my old acquaintances, while hiding a truly immense power level that few ever see but a glimpse of.
