A "Freedom party" based on the following values:
> Nationalism and pride in our nation
> a more relaxed view at social issues than conservatives. Conservatives are too intense about the degenerate lgbt shit. A more neutral, or "I don't give a fuck just let the states decide" view towards trannies and queers would help pull moderates and libertarian voters on board.
> Anti globalist at all costs
> Protection of 2nd amendment at all costs
> Helping small businesses and lowering taxes
> Less emphasis on "something something Jesus and God" which alienates some moderates and libertarian voters. That being said, this party would be a fundamentally Christian party/movement.
> It would be mentioned that women and minorities deserve equal rights but this would not be a main focus of the campaign unlike liberal democrat campaigns where this is supposively the only issue.
Basically this is just Donald Trump. But here's the deal. The "Conservative" movement is amazing. I truly believe that. But it is alienating to the growing degenerate minority who consider themselves xenogender biracial otherkins. While these degenerates will ALWAYS vote liberal, those who are associated with them in their community who have sympathy for them don't nessicarily have to. But there has to be some kind of fucking balance.
Now before you guys jump at me saying I am giving into degeneracy... I'm not. I can't fucking stand this shit. But what's worse? Having most of what we want, but giving minor concessions to these freaks? Or letting the liberals win outright and everything burns to fucking hell.
I truly believe with a good decade of non degenerate leadership, most of this shit can be reversed too. Remember, this has been getting bad for a while. But it's only gotten unbearable during these 8 years of Obama.
You will never, ever win over the youth vote in my lifetime without a total restructuring of the education system and specifically a McCarthy esque witch hunt aimed at professors.
Any party which can't do that might as well not discuss the youth vote.
>>72435346
Fuck freedom just install the NSDAP.
Tbh any "libertarian movement" would quickly corrupt into a fascist state again. Lets skip 30 years of pussyfooting and plunge right into a golden era of White people.
>>72435346
>lowering taxes
Stopped reading. This minarchist nonsense has not and never will accomplish anything. Maybe when all our pressing societal issues are ironed out we can think about dialing back but as it is we need a firm hand, not a lax one.
>>72435346
>Helping small business
Can you be more specific about how you would do this?
>That being said, this party would be a fundamentally Christian party/movement.
Makes me a little nervous tbqhf.
>>72436482
Why on earth would this make you nervous achmed? You realize our Republican Party is basically a Christian group right?
>>72436482
Also are you suggesting it is fundamentally impossible to aid small businesses?
I am not a fucking politician, so I don't have a "plan of action" to save small businesses I can read off to you. But if you think it isn't possible... I'm not sure what to say
>>72436602
Over here we don't really do Christianity in politics. Whenever it does rear its head it is inevitability an individual or group trying to restrict or limit the rights of others. Typical cases are the Womb Botherer of Bedfordshire, and the CofE getting its knickers in a twist about two people of the same sex being able to enjoy the legal benefits of marriage.
>>72436871
No, he's just saying it's a platitude to be dismissed unless you have some specifics to back it up.
>>72436871
I don't think it's impossible. I just hear that rhetoric a lot and it is not always backed up with an effective plan.
>>72435978
When you begin to realize a good chunk of our tax money goes towards giving weapons to Syrians or helping the Jews reinforce their border, you can assume this money could be back in the taxpayers pockets if the leadership wasn't a bunch of globalist Jews.
Also we have the strongest military on the planet, and we are defending all of our "allies" with it constantly, for pennies on the dollar. If they paid a fair share, we could see some money flowing back to the taxpayer.
Also keep in mind, the reason our military defends all these countries for pennies on the dollar, is our globalist leadership gets a huge boner from exerting their power and authority across the planet
>>72437186
"Hey South Korea. Look we really like you. You guys are the best. But look. We have 28,000 American troops defending your border from Kim Jung Un at all times. You currently pay us 50 million per year for this service. But we've done some analysis and the going rate for such protection would be 12 billion. Now look. We are great friends and allies, so right off the bat we will offer you a fabulous discount of 25%, or 9 billion. What do you say?"
Please note that I made up all the numbers in this, but you get the idea.
>>72435346
> Protection of 2nd amendment at all costs
>>72439112
I'm not sure how hopeless of a human being you have to be to find that amusing, but from the bottom of my heart, I am honestly sorry for you, and whatever life circumstances led you to believe that was a funny statement.
>>72439304
Ok. Please tell me from the bottom of your heart why it is a good idea to protect the 2nd amendment at all costs. Because I don't get the idea to arm citizens. You don't live in the 1700s. There is no need to protect yourself from cherokees protecting their land.
>>72439666
I don't really feel like arguing this fundamental issue with you at this point. If you haven't heard both sides of this argument by now, you must be either under 18 years old, or living in Sweden/Germany.
>>72435597
Is there any legality issue students can bring up in the case of clear liberal bias?
>>72439769
Are you retarded?
I'm not looking for a debate. I truly want to hear your opinion on this issue. Because there is no way a normal functioning human being can stand behind the 2nd amendment. Unless, of course, you live in the 18th century.
>>72440010
>Because there is no way a normal functioning human being can stand behind the 2nd amendment.
With all the shit that goes down in Germany I'm surprised to hear you say this, Hans.
Then again, you've been living under restricted speech laws for your entire life, so I can see that you wouldn't value liberty.
Also
>need
It's not the role of government to determine needs of citizens.
>>72435346
You can't viably have more than two parties in a FPTP voting system. IT will always coalesce to two parties.
That's why we need to destroy the GOP establishment and turn it into the nationalist party we want.
>>72439666
Hello satan.
Back before 1776 we wanted the British empire to fuck off. In 1776 we told them to fuck off. We did it with guns. We have been insured our guns as protection from government. You will say however "oh you think you can stand to the power of the US military as civvies?". But it's quite easy to fight them, they will have a high dessertion rate and you only need a few percent of Americans actually participating to overthrow our current government. We also are allowed to use our natural rights to defend ourselves and our families. This is something that you cuckolds in Germany seem to lack. You believe in " peace", but muslims come and rape your women, and you faggots do nothing. Why should we listen to your country of low testosterone betas that openly allow muslims to rape 10 year old girls when it comes to crime?
>>72440010
Well when you work hard in life for a family, a home, and land, part of having freedom is the freedom to protect the things you have labored so hard to obtain.
It really isn't up to others to tell me "there's no reason to worry bro!" There is security in knowing that the fruits of a literal lifetime of labor are protected by the ownership of a firearm.
I would also extend this thought to the fact that the right to bear arms protects citizens from an oppressive government, but I am 100% certain a liberal from Germany is unable to relate to this statement.
>>72439666
tell that to the people of brussels or paris you fucking cucklord
>>72435346
Also, on your view of taxes/helping small businesses I have a few suggestions:
1. Completely abolish current tax system, replace it with simpler one (preferably less than 20 pages long)
2. Back 1/4 of startup business loans with government bonds
3. Replace flat tax on capital gains with graded one, something like an exponential function.
Also cut disability payments from Social Security
>>72440147
>With all the shit that goes down in Germany
Well over here there are no civil-war-like circumstances, like 90 people getting shot every day. And the reason for that has to be that guns are legal to own for citizens.
>>72440300
That's the first really good view on that. But: If you have to "protect" yourself from government, why can't you just elect a good government? Is there no democracy in america? Also, are you fucking Syria? Why the fuck would you start a civil war in the USA in the 21th century? Also: Despite /pol/ telling you these things everyday, yes we have issues with refugees. They now make 2,5% of the german population. There rarely are rapes and murders. In fact, there are 250x more attacks on refugees by extremists. So yes, we pretty much handle them.
>>72440338
I can see your point. But you make america sound like a wild ungoverned place. Protect your family form what or whom? If noone would have guns there would be no reason to own one. Protecting your family and land is a thing I can understand about america. But fucking come one. Are you a developing country? Deal with fucking criminals the way civilized countries do.
>>72440506
You fucking dipshit, in the last 3 years more american citizens killed each other than all islamistic terrorist attacks in europe combined.
>>72441004
It doesn't matter that your 'feelings' lead you to believe there are no threats to my property and family.
Do you deny robberies, homicides, and arson occur on this planet? The way your "civilized" country deals with these issues as of late is with pepper spray and/or a slap on the wrist to offenders.
That's why refugees in your country are able to get away with criminal acts, including rape. They know the consequence will be minimal. I challenge you to find me three instances of a refugee being met with deadly force while committing a felony level crime (rape, assault, breaking and entering, etc)
I can find you easily 100 or more instances of your refugees committing these crimes though, using only Google and around 1 hour of my time.
>>72441004
>like 90 people getting shot every day.
As if getting stabbed, raped, or robbed is any more moral.
Also: 90 people vs. 300 million, against Germany's what? 40 million?
>why can't you just elect a good government?
Why haven't you?
>If noone would have guns there would be no reason to own one.
>Knives don't exist
>Bigger, stronger people than me don't exist
>Thieves don't exist
inb4 "just GIVE them your shit!" Property rights cannot exist without an ability to defend them.
>Rapists don't exist
Jesus Fritz, get out of your bubble.
>>72441408
Thanks for mentioning my favorite fallacy Europeans use against us.
300 million vs 40 million.
The United States is literally the size of Europe in its entirety. Yet we are one country while you are dozens. Yet you love to use basic-level fallacies when referring to things like homicide
>>72441004
250x more attacks on refugees is complete bullshit.
Back last year (or maybe 2) muslims accounted for a maximum of 5% of the Swedish population, yet commited almosf 90% of rapes, and a similar rate of violent crimes. The rates are similar in other countries who have let in rapefugees. Back when I actually cared for stats and numbers (1-2 years ago) there were over 50 no go zones in Sweden, areas where police did not enforce the law due to different reasons. About 45 of these areas were majority muslim, Swedish can't even enforce their own laws in their own cities. You also have small local fovernments in Germany telling their citizens to not provoke (the peacefull) muslims lest they kill/rape you because of your provocative clothing.
The 21st century arguement is stupid. Time and time again for thousands of years governments habe corrupted and been replaced by force. We do not have a clear democracy, we have a very sketchy one. Countries degenerate time after time, and we will need guns when we are at our ends, instead of having a government lengthen it's death for an extensive period. Why would our government care if it is the 21st century if they wanted to rule over us tyranically? Shouldn't a tyranical government be something of old? Nothing is ever "of old".
>>72439666
stay cucked faggot
>>72441408
>Also: 90 people vs. 300 million, against Germany's what? 40 million?
in whole 2012, 54 people were killed by guns, which was a very high and altering number for our country. There are 3,75 more people in the USA than in Germany (actually we are 80mil.) 3,75x54=202,2. So if Germany was as big as the US, there would be ~202 dead civilians killed by guns. 202 in a whole fucking year. Yet you dumb shits have 90 a day, which means compared to Germany, statistically speaking, you are 162x more likely to get shot in your free and great States of America. Your argument is invalid you fucking faggot.
>why can't you just elect a good government?
>Why haven't you?
Why haven't we? I admit our government right now is a fucking mess. But compared to your corrupt government it is the peak of civilization. Your government can't even spend their budget right. (Government shutdown in 2013)
>Knives don't exist
>Bigger, stronger people than me don't exist
>Thieves don't exist
Of course they exist. But that's what the police is made for. Do you live in an anarchy? Try to teach your police instead of shooting niggers they should protect their citizens.
>Rapists don't exist
When did I say that?
>>72441838
These are facts. We live in a nice democracy. The people have the power to form the government. You don't realize you're lied to every 4 years again and again. Nothing will change in america unless you reform your democratic system. It is a fact that money is what governs and forms your democracy and the people in the US. Same thing begins to happen here in Germany, though we immediately began to stop this and fight against it.
>>72444031
>killed by guns
There's that meme again.
Firearm deaths is completely independent of violent crime, because the statistic is bloated from suicides and justified shootings (not that you would consider them justified you cuck)
And again, there's no moral difference between a murder with a gun or any other implement.
>But that's what the police is made for.
Can't be on every street corner. But you probably wouldn't know that.
>Try to teach your police instead of shooting niggers they should protect their citizens.
Redundant statement.
>When did I say that?
Implicitly. The only thing defending a smaller and weaker individual from another is a weapon, in modern terms, a gun.
>Same thing begins to happen here in Germany, though we immediately began to stop this and fight against it.
Like you fight against importing more 3rd world garbage
Also
>Fighting is sitting in parks with signs
>>72435346
I'd join. I've been wanting an American Nationalist party since I started paying attention to politics.
>>72437186
This man is absolutely correct. Once you realize where the money is going, and who the people are who pocket it, you'll realize why taxes need to be cut. Trump's plan to increase the income flowing into the USA by making our """alllies""" pay up and uphold their end of our trade agreements will give infinitely more wealth and results to the people than increasing our taxes for the kike overlords.
>>72440279
>That's why we need to destroy the GOP establishment and turn it into the nationalist party we want.
I hope this ends up happening.
>>72444974
Firearm deaths is completely independent of violent crime
90 deaths by firearm a day may be including non-violent acts, but you can not deny that most of them will have a violent background.
>Can't be on every street corner.
Why doesn't it happen here in germany then? We have a highly professional trained police here. Police cars arrive 2-5 minutes after being called. Yet, in for example Detroit, police cars arrive up to 1-2 hours after calling emergency.
>Redundant statement.
It is not. That's what is keeping us safe and stopping crime with barely using firearms. In 2013 police men used their gun 42 times against people, of which only a fraction lead to death. Funfact: They do not even use tazers.
>Implicitly. The only thing defending a smaller and weaker individual from another is a weapon, in modern terms, a gun.
>modern
Sounds like the 1700s to me m8
>Fighting is sitting in parks with signs
Oh I'm sorry! Is the american way to deal with political issues massshootings and riots? Oh yeah! Ferguson proved us just that!
>>72445986
Forgot the ">" in the first line. I quoted you.
>>72440338
>the right to bear arms protects citizens from an oppressive government
That's just bullshit. If an oppressive government really wanted to oppress it's people it has all the power to do so. You with your pistol or shot gun can't do anything. If this was 1800 than yes, a whole country that is armed than the government wouldn't be able to do much.
A third party will not work due to the political system of the USA. First-past-the-post, single member plurality politics ALWAYS favours a two party system. To have a system with more than two serious contending parties you would have to reform to a proportional representation or ranked ballot system, which is why we see parties like the Front National, AfD, Sweden Democrats rising in Europe. Proportional representation really helps out radical or very contrarian parties as getting 9% of the vote nationally means a lot, as opposed to 9% of the US national vote meaning squat.
TL;DR - To get more than 2 major parties, America would need to adopt Euroqueer voting systems which would inevitably give power to either Socialists or Far-Right Nationalists. I'm not taking a stance, just giving what I see as the cause of your predicament.
>>72446089
How is it any different from back then?
>>72435346
>protection of 2nd amendment at all costs
>Donald Trump
>>72446435
There is a fucking army that can slaughter any amount of people with fire arms. If the government had to do it they can.
>>72446435
The population had similar or sometimes better weapons than the military, civilians in the US are now only equal in small arms really.
That being said the US military probably isn't mindless zombies so defections should be common.
>>72435346
A lot of this was the original conservative position as put forward by Barry Goldwater in 1964. He personally supported desegregation, but was against the 1964 Civil Rights Bill because it gave unconstitutional powers to the federal government, he thought states should decide as well. He was a real conservative, meaning government shouldn't interfere in peoples lives, including on decisions of homosexuality. He was also, quote, "scared as hell of the religious right" and hated that they hijacked the party in the 1980's
We do not need a new party, just a re-purified Republican Party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxugd2HNEn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xniUoMiHm8g
>>72446637
I'm pretty sure that that army is made up with people with firearms too.
Sure, they'll have tanks, drones, etc, but an army needs footsoldiers to function at all. You can't just bomb the entire resistance, it's simply not realistic. Not to mention that there are millions upon millions more civilian firearm owners than there are soldiers in the military.
A very large amount of the military will also defect, some discreetly, some openly. It also only takes one trained soldier to train many, many more.
Not to mention that guerilla warfare would give the resistance a huge advantage. Just look at how much our army has struggled with almost every war since WWII.
>>72441004
It is not government or the polices role to protect you. It is your responsibility to defend what is yours. Police should exist to keep order and maintain civility. When is the last time the police actually STOPPED a violent crime? It is not a hugely common occurrence because they cannot be every at all times.
People thinking the police are their personal army is on the big problems our western society has.
>>72441004
typical kraut
fuck of fashy cunt
>>72447369
I get what you're saying. It's hard to imagine the resistance will win these days.
>>72435346
>That being said, this party would be a fundamentally Christian party/movement.
They'd hijack the party and turn it into republican party B. It would only work if it were a secular party.
>It would be mentioned that women and minorities deserve equal rights but this would not be a main focus of the campaign unlike liberal democrat campaigns where this is supposively the only issue.
Unless a focus on equal duties is also a main point, feminists would hijack it.
Your idea has some good points but it's also full of garbage that's only there to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
>>72435346
>supposively
It's supposedly you dumb fuck.
>>72447781
I can see where you're coming from. Drones and all of the modern advancements in warfare look pretty scary.
Fuck you OP and your degenrate values. We can hate all that shit but without a religious basis. Ffs fucking cuckservative
>>72446881
Though, the resistance would have the military beaten in sheer numbers. Even with their big war machines, the US firearm owners outnumber the military by a very large margin. The defectors would just be the cherry on top.
>>72446578
He might have "New York values", but I doubt a businessman would eat where he shits.
>>72445986
>but you can not deny that most of them will have a violent background.
2/3 are suicides, therefore MOST don't have a violent background.
>Why doesn't it happen here in germany then?
It does.
>Oh I'm sorry! Is the american way to deal with political issues massshootings and riots?
For all the "fighting" you've done you've accomplished less.
