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"A man has been held in prison for seven months after failing to decrypt two hard drives that investigators suspect contain indecent images of children.
A court order says the man will remain jailed "until such time that he fully complies" with an order to unlock the password-protected devices"
>be American
>refuse to give police all of your passwords
>be jailed indefinitely until you do
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36159146
>>72425896
go away pedo enabler
old thread
>>72422259
Damnit this is some shit like the UK would pull
>be american
>get shot
>go to jail
>>72425896
>I'm at your party
>Sneak onto your computer and encrypt your harddrive.
>Go to police claiming to have seen [cp / terrorism planning / proof illegal activity] on your computer.
>You go to jail forever.
>>72425896
Good pedos deserve no rights
I hope he gets raped and murdered in prison
>>72426092
You forgot
>get $50k bill for 'minor procedure' to remove bullet at the hospital
Those retards are just going to fuck themselves by encouraging everyone into setting up deadman switches instead of encrypting.
>>72426122
You have to lawfully prove they're pedos first.
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH
>>72426116
Yeah because that happens all the time. You pedophiles are so paranoid, must be the guilty conscience
>>72426310
Your system allows it to happen, and that's all the evidence one needs that the law is shit.
>>72426219
If he had nothing to hide why did he refuse to decrypt the files?
>>72426310
How would you even know it doesn't?
Do you attend every court case?
>All these Americans, Leafs and Britboys defending this shit
I don't think I can ever look at /pol/ in the same way again...
>>72426116
That seems like a genius black mail get rich quick scheme if i have ever thought of one:
>secretly encrypt some rich guy's laptop
>go to police claim he has CP
>Guy will give you almost anything to get the password
>do it to more people at once to get infinite monies
is this real life?
>>72426389
Why should the police have the right to look through an innocent persons private files?
>>72425896
Entire last thread was full of people all like "he potentially had naked pictures of a kid, fuck the Constitution, please take away all my guns and enslave me."
Protip: you can't call yourself redpilled until you realize age of consent laws are a farce that didn't exist until women gained political power.
>>72426343
>>72426394
How can you make the claim that it does?
>>72426310
No it doesn't but this is the first of probably many cases.
Pedophilia is disgusting, but incase you didn't realise/read my post this applies to innocent people as well, i.e you. You think false rape charges are bad? Enjoy being in prison forever the next time you make an enemy.
>>72426420
Yup, my though exactly.
Will be overturned. Supreme court has ruled you don't have to give safe combinations out. Federal courts have ruled several times that you cannot be compelled to produce passwords.
>>72426420
>is this real life?
Already exists. Called ransomware... And apparantly that scam is basically fool-proof in the US...
>>72426389
If you have nothing to hide then why do you password-protect your phone, or use encryption when buying things online?
>>72426443
Because they have a court order
>>72426420
That's just a combination of two different malwares that both already exist in the wild.
Just a question of time.
>>72426462
As seen in this case, you can be held indefinitly for not producing a password to an encrypted device based on witness testimony.
Witness testimony is provided by yourself. Encryption is present. Producing the password is impossible. Hence, go to jail forever. No trial.
>>72426462
I didn't, you're the one that made a claim that you know fine well you can't even back up.
You just think it's true.
You have no evidence it's true.
>>72426122
You have been formally accused of being a pedo, please report to the nearest detention center for your indefinite stay.
Nice justice system.
>>72426545
That isn't a reason a police officer should have the right to it.
>>72425896
That faggot probably have some illegal shit on there, seeing how he is willing to stay in jail for 7 months.
But:
What if he doesn't?
Yeah, it would be a pretty dumb move of him to hold back the password if there is nothing on the hard drive.What would happen?
>>72426443
You seem to all easily forget that this man was tracked and caught downloading, then fingered by his own sister.
>hurr provide the proofs wheres the proofs.
He is keeping them from it by locking down his drive, basically swallowing the key
>>72426614
Even better this could happen to anyone, imagine doxxing people by getting access to their computer, encrypting it, and acting as a witness that they had illegal stuff on there. Instant and indefinite jailtime since they don't know the password.
>>72426611
They have reasonable suspicion. If it's good enough for the court to issue a warrant who are you to say otherwise you don't even know the details of the case
>>72426614
>seeing how he is willing to stay in jail for 7 months.
>it would be a pretty dumb move of him to hold back the password if there is nothing on the hard drive.What would happen?
He would set a precedent for future cases. People that encrypt their personal files for any reason would mostly not give in to this on the principle of it alone.
>>72426614
Who knows? Maybe he's cheating on his wife, and his conversations with his mistress (and their embarrassing sexual encounters) are stored on his hard drive. Maybe he has confidential business information on there, and he doesn't want it getting out into the open if his computer is stolen.
With current technology and password managers, it's theoretically possible to not even know your passwords. What then?
It's not that you won't reveal your password, but if you literally can't reveal your password, how can you be charged?
>>72426614
Woah buddy you can't use that argument. Pedo anons will call you a bootlicker
>>72426582
>proves himself to be innocent
>freed.
Unlike this man who has been sitting in jail trying to think of a new loophole to exploit
>>72426758
The bootlickers would have you rot in a cell for the remainder of your days.
>>72426451
>implying this entire shit has anything to do with the age of consent
That's a seperate issue entirely. The sole core question in this case is whether or not people should be forced to help convict themselves in civilised states.
>>72426657
Then let them use that evidence in a trial instead of wasting everyone's time and money.
Only relevant information you need to not be a complete dumbass on this case and the relevant court rulings.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/appeals-court-fifth-amendment-protections-can-apply-to-encrypted-hard-drives/
>>72426657
>but where's the proof
>he needs to show us proof
>>72426720
>reasonable suspicion
"someone said it"
>>72426773
>proves himself to be innocent
How?
>>72426773
Look at yourself.
You defend a system that requires a man to prove himself innocent instead of requiring the state to prove him guilty.
Also, maybe he's been sitting there because he forgot the correct password? After not using it for a long time, it's quite reasonable he may have forgotten it.
>>72426773
>>proves himself to be innocent
Not how it works, and not how it should work you utter fucking savage.
>>72426773
>just prove a negative
It's just that easy, all you have to do is the impossible.
>>72426968
It's impossible to even PROVE you are innocent anyway.
No matter how many passwords you give them they can always claim there's another hidden partition there.
>>72426877
>"someone said it"
No you fucking mongoloid pedo scum read the article moron
>The investigators had been monitoring the online network Freenet and decided to search the man's home, according to news site Ars Technica
They have reasonable suspicion that he downloaded Child Pornography. They are doing him a favour by not charging him based on that alone.
All pedos should be brutally killed
>>72426758
I doubt this is the first rodeo they've gone through with a "forgetful pedophile".
>>72426877
>proves himself to be innocent
>How?
Are you actually retarded? Like seriously? I hand over my hard drive, I help them in their case to prove my innocence, I don't actively make things difficult for them.
Which is the exact opposite of what this man is doing. Because dur he did it.
>>72426976
>do the impossible
>giving a password is impossible
>h-he forgot it
Not an argument anon, not an argument.
>>72426716
>>72426735
>>72426752
>>72426773
I was sort of hoping to get an answer to what would happen if he stays in jail for like 3 years before giving up the password and it turns out there is nothing of any relevance on the harddrive.
Are the state just gonna be like
>yeah,,,, sorry bout that. But kind of your fault too for holding back the password
>>72425896
If they have a warrant and you don't comply, this is your fate.
He obviously has CP on there if he's willing to accept a year in prison. That's 1/80th of his life down the drain
>>72425896
>>72425896
The court has not done anything illegal.
What you need to be criticizing is the All Writs Act itself.
>>72426859
Fuck that. That would be rewarding his obstruction of justice by taking it to court with a weaker case.
That's the reserve option for the remote fucking chance that he gets the federal court of appeals to overturn the court order.
And they'll probably get a conviction. Juries take a shockingly dim view of people claiming the 5th.
>>72427045
Hi friend, you replied to a post that you didn't read. Please go back and read the context to understand what was being said.
Thank you and have a nice day.
who /gladiwasntborninmurica/ here?
>>72426494
>Will be overturned.
When?
>>72425896
>4chan is siding with a pedophile because he is hiding the evidence well.
kek
>>72426219
>You have to lawfully prove they're pedos first.
nah, more than a few times the prison guards just have to tell the other inmates in genpop you're a pedo and you'll be dead by sunrise, they cut your balls off and put them in your mouth,
but thats prison justice, they make false calls on people they don't like but when the inmates find out they'll be pissed unless there was a really good reason for the call, prison justice is savage but it's still justice
>>72427037
>the online network Freenet
kek
Let me guess, the IP address is enough to identify him too? :^)
>All pedos should be brutally killed
All accusations are true.
You've gone completely hysterical.
>>72427045
> I don't actively make things difficult for them.
Not talking isn't making things difficult.
You've also not given us the password to that hidden partition, back to jail you go paedo scum.
Reminder that the pedoscum ITT are shilling and hiding key details of the case
>The investigators had been monitoring the online network Freenet and decided to search the man's home, according to news site Ars Technica
The police has evidence that this pedoscum downloaded CP on his computer. They are asking him to decrypt the files so they can prove that his has physical copies of child pornography on his computer.
>>72425896
>muh freedom
>muh constitution
You still believe in that murifags?
>>72427238
No :(
>>72427065
I could actually go down this road, if not for all the goddamn bootlicker bullshit.
The most interesting aspect of this case is the use of the All Writs Act. That's new, and specific to this case. I suspect it's being used specifically because the FBI, federal lower courts really want a Supreme Court ruling on it's use in this context.
>>72427238
Not for pedophiles lol
>>72425896
the only reason they're asking for the password is they want to save victims, they will eventually get into the drive, it just might take 6 months, he probably wants total immunity and they won't give that
seriously if you're going after children under 10 they should hang you
>>72427199
>Let me guess, the IP address is enough to identify him too? :^)
No you pedoscum trash. they have the elctronic trace. They should have charged anyway this is sufficient evidence to lock the sick fuck forever.
#killallpedos
>>72427200
>The investigators had been monitoring his wifi connection that anyone could have used, including someone trying to frame him, or in the future, you.
Its irrelevant due to that.
Why exactly can't the law enforcement agencies send the drives off to a forensic IT expert that can extract the data off the drive without needing a password/decryption tools?
>>72427238
shouldn't you be prepping something
>no freedom in a cuck shed
>>72427053
Most likely.
After all he's in jail for contempt rather than for anything on the hard disk.
>>72427055
>He obviously has CP on there if he's willing to accept a year in prison for his principles.
People have given their lives for their principles m8.
why don't they just crack the code for it? They seem to have done it in the past, spending lots of money on computers and specialists. Why not do it here?
>>72427200
What is presumption of innocence?
What is innocent until proven guilty?
"Yeah man, we monitored Freenet and apparently you have been browsing CP, we haven't charged you with anything and we can't prove anything, so we're just gonna presume you're guilt until you let us sift through everything :^)"
'Merica
>>72426494
Federal courts have ruled several times that you do. Different cases, different circumstances, different evidence.
Specifically, the 2000 Supreme Court opinion about combination locks has never been applied to encryption cases.
>>72426758
This is a really good point. I don't even know half my passwords.
>>72426420
You described a slightly more advanced form of ransomware, unfortunately you would have to ode the virus from absolute scratch because the last version I've seen of it was designed around windows 1998
>>72427324
with UK parliament the way it is
wasn't a half bad idea on his part
>>72427363
It doesn't work like that, senpai. We've reached a point where anyone worth his salt can encrypt their harddrive to be "uncrackable." Well, not really uncrackable, but to do so would take longer than a person would be alive.
>>72427324
>the elctronic trace
wew, more nonsense words, did they backtrace him too?
please stop projecting and start thinking
>>72427372
If he's refusing to allow them access to his hard drives and they have reasonable suspicion then he's hampering an investigation and I believe that comes with charges in the USA.
Presumption of innocence is all well and good, but he is withholding information that could help prove his innocence or guilt.
So your argument doesn't apply here, idiot.
>>72427372
>what is obstructing the law
>h-hes not hiding nuffin he forgot n shiet.
Yeah, all pedophiles always seem very forgetful about things when they get busted. That always seems to be the first thing they say as well.
>"S-she said she was 18...I think."
>>72427200
Came here to say this
They don't just go arresting people like this I someone said a story, a whole investigation starts that looks the validity of the claim. Maybe they saw his internet history or videos downloaded showing his IP, and it usually goes for extended periods of time, further confirming he is continually searching up that stuff
>>72427339
Because the data (probably) cannot be decrypted with present-day technology without the password in any reasonable length of time.
>>72427372
>we can't prove anything
They obviously can which is how the got the court ruling in the first place. They want the physical copies on the drive to make the case airtight.
>mfw pedoscum ITT are trying to turn this into a muh freedumbs muh 5th amendment case.
#killallpedos
>>72426389
if he were to give the password what's stopping the police from planting evidence if they do not want to admit that they were wrong?
>>72427495
The US government may not compel speech.
>>72427304
This could affect anyone, if refusing to decrypt your files gets you jailed.
The state must prove its case. You have the right to remain silent (an not do anything at all).
>The government then invoked a 1789 law called the All Writs Acy
>1789!
>>72427363
>Why not do it here?
oh they will, they just want to fill out their case and track down some pedo who probably kidnapped some kids so they're giving him a shot at aiding their investigation, this shit bag is protecting asian child rapists, if he's just some schmuck who downloaded an image he never saw attached to some malware spam thats different, but that person doesn't have encrypted hard drives do they?
>>72426451
A good percentage of the CP out there is from other countries where these children are being fucked legally.
Legal actors, getting paid legal rates, to perform in legal films overseas suddenly become "victims" of a crime so horrible you must be raped to death by gorillas in the zoo... all because their image crosses an ocean.
You can watch videos of actual murders and actual rapes and it is completely legal in the US... but so much as glancing at a photograph of a 17 year old girl is a felony with no defense.
>>72427363
They might. It takes a shitload of time. One case I've mentioned had that happen. 16 drives siezed. Pedo gives it the whole nine yards. Claims the drives aren't his, claims he didn't encrypt them, claims 5th amendment.
Then they cracked one. Full of his personal files and info, along with a shitload of child porn. He cooperated after that.
Other case was the mortgage fraud laptop. They won the case to compel, and then a co-defendant provided the password before they could enforce the ruling.
>>72427339
It's not a simple task for anyone other than the person who "did" the encrypting to actually undo it. There's a big case in the US right now because Apple Iphones are just too goddamn well-secured. There exists no actual way to decrypt them, unless Apple invents such a way.
>>72427296
What needs to happen in order for the supreme court to make a ruling on it? Isn't the case stalled since he's perpetually in contempt of court?
>>72427324
That's one punchable face.
>>72425896
Disclaimer: not a lawyer.
It's a perverse sort of application of the foregone conclusion doctrine. Basically, you can't be made to incriminate yourself, unless the government has proof that a locked box, or safe, or computer, has something illegal on it and the nature of that thing and that you own said container (computer or physical) and then it's a foregone conclusion and the fifth amendment doesn't apply to opening it.
The main precedent would be US v. Boucher (in which a Canadian pedo came to the US border, was asked to show his laptop to an immigration official, he found a filename indicating CP, asked the dumbass pedo to mount his encrypted partition, dumbass pedo did, and then found hundreds of CP images) and US v. Fricosu (in which a defendant was in jail for fraud, and then had prison phone calls (recorded) where they spoke about how the laptop was hers, she knew the password, and there was illegal shit on it).
In this case the ownership of the computer is not clear, the man's sister said she viewed CP on his computer, so that's the evidence that is being used for the "Foregone conclusion".
Recent legal overreach with the All Writs Act has been ridiculous (same broad law they used in the Apple San Bernardino case trying to force Apple to decrypt the phone for the FBI) and I doubt this ruling will stand.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/
>>72427512
Yep, it's not like law enforcement, judges and juries never get anything wrong with disastrous consequences that ruin people's lives. There are no cases at all of people being exonerated after 20+ years in jail due to new evidence of witness tampering, or police misconduct, etc.
>>72426389
Maybe, he was cheating on his wife? Maybe, he was cheating on his taxes? In his business? Switching companies?
>>72427196
> justice
> isn't just
>this paedo hysteria
Jesus christ, these threads have been painful to watch.
Don't you bootlickers have a paediatricians to burn down?
Stop letting the boogeyman scare you into giving away your rights.
>>72425896
Dude's definitely a pedo, but I hate the precedent. Self-incrimination, man. You should not have to hand over evidence against yourself.
>>72426773
>browses 4chan
>is confident he doesn't have a single thumbnail or filename on his computer that can't be used to put him in prison for life
Good goy.
>>72426389
If you have nothing to hide, remove the doors to your home.
>>72426066
I'm pretty sure it's already a thing here mate.
>>72427577
>there are people on 4chan right now with unencrypted harddrives
literally why?
>>72427702
They did find a pair of trust-me trousers in the guy's closet.
>>72427606
>>72427505
I see.
So this guy is withholding the key to his guilt or innocence, therefore he's obstructing the course of justice and should be charged with that.
Because that's what he's doing, innocent or not he is breaking the law and preventing an investigation.
The people in this thread defending the idiot need to stop now.
>>72427512
The fifth amendment doesn't even apply here, he's obstructing an investigation which carries its own charges. He can plead the 5th after he's given them the key to the encrypted drives, and if he does plead the 5th right now, any jury or judge will lock him up because it will presumed that the data on the drive is incriminating.
>>72426657
>was tracked and caught downloading, then fingered by his own sister.
How do you know it was not the sister?
>>72427649
>There are no cases at all of people being exonerated after 20+ years
Strawman how is this relevant to this case? Mistakes in the justice system happen so this pedo should be allowed to walk away free?
Do you have any evidence that misconduct has taken place in this case?
>>72427495
>>72427498
>he's hampering an investigation
>what is obstructing the law
No he isn't. You can't be compelled to cooperate with a police investigation. You can only be prevented from actively interfering in it.
>>72427512
>They obviously can which is how the got the court ruling in the first place
If they could he'd be in jail already.
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
I wonder what kind of dirty play could be at work :^)
>>72427727
this
I'm pretty damn sure that anyone here has a facebook """"""sexualized""""""" teen thumb which can be used against him if necessary
>>72427045
>their case to prove my innocence
You have a grade-school level understanding of how the justice system works.
>Protip: the prosecution has one job
>"proving your innocence" isn't it
>>72427577
>your door is locked, therefore you must be hiding illegal things in your house
>>72427649
kay, hand over the password and if there isn't cp feel free to sue us for compensation
>>72427702
You pedos are literally saying
>"dude what if these fuckers just install illegal shit on it anyway. NEVAR SURRENDAR."
You dipshits are inventing this boogeyman, meanwhile normal innocent people wouldn't just let themselves sit in jail.
>>72427727
Yes. because I don't feel the need to save every single image I see or make le epic reaction folders like a 12 year old.
>>72427702
Nice try pedoscum
>The investigators had been monitoring the online network Freenet and decided to search the man's home, according to news site Ars Technica.
>muh innocent pedo rapist he dindu nuffin!!!!
>>72427823
>No he isn't. You can't be compelled to cooperate with a police investigation. You can only be prevented from actively interfering in it.
Apparantly you can... Same in Britain. max 2 years just for not giving up passwords...
>>72427828
k, he can just rot in jail for "doing nuffin" then. One less pedophile out on the streets :)
>>72427845
>Yes. because I don't feel the need to save every single image I see or make le epic reaction folders like a 12 year old.
You're even dumber than I thought you were.
>>72427823
>You can't be compelled to cooperate with a police investigation
"The government then invoked a 1789 law called the All Writs Act!"-says you have to cooperate-READ IT
>>72427823
The police in the USA had reasonable suspicion to arrest him and investigate him.
He is withholding information from them that can prove his guilt or innocence. Therefore he is obstructing the course of justice and it doesn't matter how much you want to sugar coat it, or deny it, it's what he's doing and in the USA they have laws against the obstruction of justice.
Now be silent you fucking paedo lover.
>>72427621
Sort of, yeah.
I'd have to dig around in my links. There was a case the Court of Appeals refused to hear. Basically, they wouldn't hear an appeal in a non-final case.
He can bitch his ass off, but until he opens the files, his rights cannot have actually been violated. This is the normal course for an appeal in a criminal case.
Cops make an illegal search, judge doesn't disallow the evidence, you don't get to appeal then and there. You case has to conclude, then you get an appeal. Otherwise the court of appeals is being asked to rule on a case where the facts are incomplete.
It's a little more complex than that, but that's the gist of the matter.
This current case though, using the All Writs Act, could go differently. It's a novel use of the law. (Though the Court of Appeals has previously refused to hear an appeal in an encryption case because novelty wasn't sufficient grounds for an appeal)
>>72427045
>hand over the harddrive
>no pizza on it
>invesrigators don't want to lose rep or some shit
>will find thebmost obscure stuff you would never think of to fuck you over
And you would have provided them that.
>>72425896
He's not even the first person they've done this to, why is everyone just now raising a stink?
>>72425896
>Apple
In the case of the terrorist Iphone it's possible that they mounted a chip in some custom emulator hack box and repeatedly reset the incorrect password count so they could just run through combinations as suggested by television.
But, considering it wasn't really a big deal for a bunch of kids using Youtube to crack their own phones I'm going to assume we, burgers, paid $1,000,000 for an Israeli firm to google "Iphone hack" and the FBI didn't want to embarrass Apple or hurt the burger trade so they suggested the former to make it sound hard.
In this case Apple is probably again sitting on it's hands with its mouth shut cursing their inability to run a security patch remotely into an evidence locker.
Apple knows all their good press over the last year or two about being a privacy leader in the industry is bullshit. They tell everyone their system is infallible (false) while encouraging users to employ lazy and irresponsible data practices so if something goes wrong (which it will) they can blame it on improper use. Normal security recommendations on apple laptops are basically uppercase lowercase special character number make it simple so you can remember write it down and stick it to the screen but dear god don't ever hold apple+S on boot.
example
>set up your new iphone
>ok ok ok ok ok
>agree to terms of service
>ok ok ok ok ok
>push to cloud (recommended)
>ok ok ok ok ok
>credit card #
>ok ok ok ok ok
>most people forget they even have cloud storage
>fills up with celebrity porn
>Apple accidentally all the porn
later that day...
>guys this iphone is uncrackable it will basically aloha snackbar 213374FBI
>13yr olds cracking their gfs phone
>lol jk
>FileVault2 tho
>etc
>etc
>etc
>>72427845
>You dipshits are inventing this boogeyman, meanwhile normal innocent people wouldn't just let themselves sit in jail.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?
;-)
>>72427803
There are a multitude of reasons why he might not want to give them access to his hard drive. Perhaps he's cheating on his wife and has saved emails from his fling, or he has confidential business information on it.
The US government may not compel speech. Therefore it may not force him to produce the key.
>>72427927
Because I don't save images? What do I gain from saving badly made images off 4chan?
>>72427709
Exactly this.
The court order allows the police to seize and search your property.
I don't have to self incriminate
If you find evidence against me in my home, fine, but I cant be compelled to show you where I hid the bloody knife and stocking cap
>>72427942
>>72427950
And what the Swede guy said.
Thanks for posting it, so that paedo lovers argument has just been BTFO harder than the girls pussies in Rotherham did.
>>72427339
There are firms that do that, it can work with weak passwords.
>>72427520
>what's stopping the police from planting evidence
HDD get collected then a neutral party copies the drives and hands copies to the police and to the defense attorney. This is why police always grab every digital media and put it in sealed bags. It's sent to a lab and copied. This allows the evidence to maintain integrity. This obviously doesn't happen under certain circumstances but there are ways to find out if data was tampered with.
>>72427823
>If they could he'd be in jail already
Maybe they need the physical evidence to go to trial I am not a lawyer and neither are you. Again the court issued a warrant to search his computer based on the evidence provided by the persecution.
>>72427641
You hit all the highlights. This case seems like a slam dunk except for their use of the All Writs Act.
I'm calling it Supreme Court bait.
>>72426216
good thing I have like three towers that still work with the old pentium processors which will literally never stop being as effective as they are now
>>72428013
>Because I don't save images?
Because you think you need to actively save pictures for them to end up on your hard drive.
Do you guys like my concept for a bathtub heating element?
>>72427324
if he was brown it would have been entertained
>>72428012
>The US government may not compel speech
Actually they can as the Swede posted..
Also, what would you rather be accused of? Cheating on your wife or being accused of being a paedophile?
He's obstructing an investigation by withholding evidence, and I know that a courtroom is supposed to be impartial but it does him no favours by not complying with what's being requested of him. Prosecution lawyers will use this against him in a courtroom, he's a fucking idiot.
>>72427845
>I don't save every single image I see
>that means I'm clean
Oh yeah. You're dumb as shit.
>>72427868
Falling right into the trap they want you to.
You have to decide if giving up your rights is worth it to put away one obviously guilty paedophile. The emotional response is to do whatever necessary to punish him, but once those rights are gone, you can never get them back.
What will you do when the accused isn't so cut and dry?
>>72428039
>450lbs
jesus christ america
>>72428110
If he was brown he would have been acquitted on grounds of cultural differences.
>>72427906
Does it make your peepee hard trolling this hard?
If you want imaginary internet points there is a site called Reddit you'd be much more at home living in. You should go back.
>>72428155
>>72428083
Yeah because illegal images just randomly appear on computers. Stealing shit and doing otherwise illegal shit tends to put your computer at risk to these things.
Pedophiles BTFO and can't comprehend that their kind is still despised. It will be funny when you come up on the pedo chopping block
>>72428158
It's worth going into a 1000 year dark age if we can prevent one fat shut-in from jerking it to CP.
>>72428012
How many times can you keep being wrong? The US government can compel speech in a variety of ways. They can even compel you to incriminate yourself by granting immunity.
These threads have been littered with actual links to actual legal rulings. Why not read a few?
>>72428257
Because he's an idiot and most likely a paedophile.
>>72428146
It's quite an interesting problem that really has never come up before. In my opinion, this should be on the same level as destroying evidence and the investigation should continue as before.
Personally, I'm more worried what people will be able to on the hysteria of such things.
>>72428251
>tfw I can never tell if they're just pretending or genuinely retarded when they have that flag
>>72425896
If he has nothing to hide, he would disclose the necessary information immediately. I will never get fags like you that think spooks actually give a fuck what you do on your computer unless they have a valid reason to investigate it. 100% unwarranted self-importance.
>>72428158
>You have to decide if giving up your rights
Every time until the pedoscum deals w/it
>The investigators had been monitoring the online network Freenet and decided to search the man's home, according to news site Ars Technica.
>m m muh freedumbs
>muh right to fap my microdick to pictures of kids getting raped!!!
>>72427950
>>72428024
>He is withholding information from them that can prove his guilt or innocence.
>Has to prove his innocence.
That's not how law works.
Further more if there's nothing found they can just claim there's a hidden partition and repeat to save face. It also sets a precedent for future cases.
>>72427942
>“courts may issue all writs necessary or appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to the usages and principles of law.”
>agreeable to the.. principles of law
http://www.nyulawreview.org/sites/default/files/pdf/NYULawReview-83-1-Portnoi.pdf
Compelling someone to prove their own innocence is not agreeable to the principles of law.
Do you idiots even read the shit you're quoting?
>>72428158
>Brit talking about american's rights.
Listen cuck. This guys has gone through due process and had a warrant issued upon him to decrypt the drive. He has has legal representation as per his rights.
He's getting locked up for CONTEMPT OF COURT. As in he's not following the court's orders.
It's really that cut and dry.
>>72428336
It's come up numerous times before.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/appeals-court-fifth-amendment-protections-can-apply-to-encrypted-hard-drives/
That article discusses at least three cases.
>>72428387
>That's not how law works.
It's not how it should work.. But it notably does in some US jurisdictions depending on context, and always in the UK.
>>72428249
I do find it hilarious at seeing you pedophiles squirm this hard, ignoring facts, picking apart sentences to fit your own deluded arguments. Acting like real life images of children in sexual acts is okay. It is very funny. More funny that this suspect is being held indefinitely though for hiding evidence though lol
>>72428012
>Perhaps he's cheating on his wife and has saved emails from his fling, or he has confidential business information on it.
then he can have his lawyer craft an agreement where they get access provided that information remain confidential, if he can't do that it's because he's guilty and isn't liking the terms they're offering and is willing to allow others to remain at risk to protect his own neck in the hopes they won't ever get into his drive which they will, they're literally getting in as we speak average time is 6 months
>>72426122
have you paid your dempts yet?
>>72428039
>Again the court issued a warrant to search his computer
Which they already did and found nothing.
I just love seeing the blind vitriol people turn into when anything pedo related is brought up. Like no matter how smart or civilized they are, they always turn into mad psychopaths chanting for murder and mayhem. It never never never fails to see these kinds of posters come out of the wood works. They are just as bad as liberals. No matter how well you argue with them they just come back saying the same stuff over and over again.
>>72428421
>As in he's not following the court's orders.
>It's really that cut and dry.
Except the court has ordered him to help his own prosecution, which goes against the principle of non-self incrimination. Does the US not abide by that principle anymore?
>>72428254
>says this while on 4chan
>>72428368
>If he has nothing to hide, he would disclose the necessary information immediately.
>le nothing to hide nothing to fear
>>72425896
If the government forces me to aid in an investigation against me and it turns out i'm innocent, i should be able to sue the shit out of them.
>this guy raped me years ago this day
>tell us what were you doing that day years ago if you don't remember everything you did that day you're clearly hiding something
I love normie moralfags t.b.h. familia
>>72428387
>Compelling someone to prove their own innocence is not agreeable to the principles of law.
WAHT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.
HE BEING HELD FOR CONTEMPT OF COURT, NOT FOR CP.
Stupid fuckign brit.
>>72428502
fuck off kiddy diddler. hopefully big brother seizes your shit too so tyrone can fuck you to death in the pen.
>>72428447
>If you worry about basic citizens rights you must be a pedo
Kek. America is fucking lost. You're further gone than Britain...
>>72428387
>That's not how law works.
Actually it is and there are numerous links ITT that prove that, yet you still keep ignoring them and persisting that you're correct when you're not correct, you're fucking wrong on all levels.
Idiot. Stop posting, you shame my countries flag with your idiocy.
>>72428472
The entire computer includes the hard drives and the data on them, the data of which is encrypted and he's withholding the key to it.
What the court could do is subpoena the encrypted hard drives alone (if they haven't already) and if he still refuses to hand over the encryption key, lock him up for obstruction or not complying with a court order.
Simple as that.
>>72426189
no way they only charge 50
>>72428372
Greece, what is wrong with you? Don't you agree that children are beautiful? How can you blame pedos for liking them so much? Why do you oppose love? Don't you have your own problems to care about?
Isn't it unconstitutional to define someone indefinitely who has not been convicted of a crime with no evidence to prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt?
Will bootlickers actually defend this?
>>72428104
How does that differ from a normal water heater? As long as the insulation is fine, it's perfectly safe.
>>72428502
>If you want pedorapists to face justice you are just like le SJWs!!!!!
It's true pedoscum are trully manchilds
>>72428586
Thank you for proving my case anon~
>>72425896
>be law enforcement
>be butt mad that Apple didn't cave to demands to decrypt iPhone from dead criminals who had good opsec and destroyed all of their personal electronics
>America finds out that FBI spent 1 million to unlock said phone that had absolutely nothing on it
>get nervous because our higher ups are retarded and waste monies
>try to find perfect situation or engineer one that manipulates the public's perception to be against encryption
>find said schmuck
>jail him because one investigator says that he probably has cp on computer
>man doesn't give password to decrypt 2 hard drives that have encryption (Filevault from Apple, pure coincidence goyim!)
>throw him in jail indefinitely which is a gross abuse if the 5th amendment
>try to spin case to manipulate the child sympathizer crowd (aka women)
Future roadmap
>guy stays in jail forever because we say so
>guy has his hard drives broken into with lack of probable cause (hunches don't count)
>make everyone who sympathizes with him in this case look like pedophiles
>precedent established
>bye bye pesky 5th amendment
If they want to show that he has cp on his computer they should get a warrant to inspect his internet traffic with his ISP. The sites that he visited are very likely to show such things. Aka you don't get cp on your computer if you only visit Bank of America, WSJ and Facebook.
I'm not a pedo sympthasizer, those freaks deserve what they usually get in jail. However this is a crafted case so as to create precedent. Not even funny that it is with Apple again.
>>72428578
He's being held in contempt of court FOR NOT GIVING PASSWORDS which is either showing his guilt and therefore compelling him to incriminate himself or showing his innocence therefore forcing him to prove his innocence.
Neither are in line with the principles of law.
>>72428649
>Simple as that.
>These people share a Union with us
Pls Brexit ASAP, thanks.
>>72428649
Just to add, paedo's like swirly guy think they know the law inside out, they fucking don't.
You taunt and flaunt your paedoness around and act like scum when you get caught and then you do shit like this, conceal the encryption pass to the hard drives.
Don't worry though, we all know what you're like and no matter how hard you try to avoid paying for your crimes, you will burn.
>>72428689
Go back to your animu porn you fat creepy virgin grown ups are talking here
>>72428502
>pedophile acting like images of children is a victimless crime
erry'time :)
isn't this shit completely unconstitutional?
Jail someone until he gives you a password... what the fuck america
>>72428726
>If they want to show that he has cp on his computer they should get a warrant to inspect his internet traffic with his ISP.
If he's using onion routing or a proxy or something then that's a bit useless. But it's incredibly difficult to get a warrant for an IP address, at least in the UK it is anyway, ISP's don't like revealing data or setting the precedent.
But GCHQ and the NSA don't care so whatever, just ask the NSA if they have anything on this fucker, he's bound to have slipped up somewhere, paedo's are idiots.
>>72428701
It amazes me. Like no matter what, there is ALWAYS people who just turn into these psychopaths when even the word pedo comes up. They just leave their minds at the front door.
>>72428726
>If they want to show that he has cp on his computer they should get a warrant to inspect his internet traffic with his ISP. The sites that he visited are very likely to show such things. Aka you don't get cp on your computer if you only visit Bank of America, WSJ and Facebook
This pretty much.
It's enshrined in the bill of rights that you cannot be forced to give information that would incriminate you nor can you be punished for exercising that right.
/pol/ is always so quick to defend the first amendment and the second amendment but it forgets there are eight other amendments in the bill of rights also. The fourth and the fifth /pol/ seems to actively loathe. Fucking statists.
>>72428833
They have reasonable suspicion against him, but locking him up until he gives what they want is what really rubs me the wrong way tbqh
>>72428741
>Someone isn't complying with the law
>HURR DURR THIS IS GOOD
>MUH PAEDO RIGHTS!
Go smoke a doobie you faggot.
>>72427200
>The police has evidence that this pedoscum downloaded CP on his computer.
Then they don't need the passwords.
Sufficient evidence to circumvent the Fifth amendment ought to be sufficient evidence to convict.
>>72428515
>xcept the court has ordered him to help his own prosecution, which goes against the principle of non-self incrimination. Does the US not abide by that principle anymore?
Ugh, no this is wrong. The fifth ammendment grants him the right to :
" nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
So he can't be put on the witness stand or forced to testify aganist himself to police.
However this is a hard drive we are talking about. It's evidence, Which is where the fourth ammendment comes in:
"[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Long story short he had a valid warrant, supported by evidence that was issued for him to open the hard drive for examination. He HAS TO OPEN IT since it is not an unreasonable search for evidence of a crime.
Again he only has the right to not testify aganist himself. His HHD is evidence.
>>72428726
>lack of probable cause
Nie try pedoscum you didn't even read the article you fat fuck
The investigators had been monitoring the online network Freenet and decided to search the man's home, according to news site Ars Technica.
>Federal court issues warrant
>It's not good according to fat ugly pedos on 4chan
He should have made a hidden partition if hé really had something to hide.
>>72428649
In the US case it's done via a law which doesn't apply since proving your own innocence isn't agreeable with the principles of law.
In the UK case it's done via a law that's about 10 years old.
>The entire computer includes the hard drives and the data on them, the data of which is encrypted and he's withholding the key to it.
>for obstruction or not complying with a court order
1. Silence is not obstruction
2. The court order isn't even legitimate since it's asking him to either incriminate himself or to prove his innocence.
Read the shit you're quoting you hysterical idiots. Go learn something about computers too since you all seem completely clueless as to how they work.
>>72428867
Probably because people that get off to children are scum. Weird how that works, weird how that even prisoners hate pedophiles lol
>>72428502
Problem is pedoscum are the ones who are hysterical here
They had an investigation with enough evidence for them to conclude he has something, so he is only obstructing by not decrypting his drives.
It's not that complex, but pedoscum are making a big deal of it and giving this case notice.
>>72428922
>Making this about pedos rather than basic rights for everyone
>Actually supporting the Anglo-custom of prosecuting people for not providing passwords/not cooperating with their own prosecution
Pls just keep your ideas on your island and leave our Union. Pls.
>Go smoke a doobie you faggot.
Rolling up now... Does that hurt your totalitarian soul?
>>72428814
>acting like images of children
What?
And I am not saying it is a victimless crime. If these act actually harm real life children sure. But more often than not these are just drawn images of characters that dont exist in real life and never will. The people accuse of them think they are the exact same thing. Like it just baffles me to see this. But they are too blind in their own self righteousness and holiness to see any different.
>>72428997
>obstructing
Silence is not obstruction.
>>72428947
So angry... are you the one who shitposts on /tv/ too?
>>72428977
>1. Silence is not obstruction
>2. The court order isn't even legitimate since it's asking him to either incriminate himself or to prove his innocence.
First point, he's not being silent, he's withholding information that can prove or disprove the claims against him.
Second point, the police had reasonable suspicion to arrest him, which means he done fucked up somewhere. And yes when you face charges that's the point, to prove your innocence. All he is doing is obstructing, delaying and making himself look guilty. He's essentially building his own funeral pyre.
And you? You're an idiot.
>In the US case it's done via a law which doesn't apply since proving your own innocence isn't agreeable with the principles of law.
Not since 1789. Retard.
>>72426503
Yeah, but the difference with the above hypothetical is that you would have your freedom taken away by the state without due process of law (not just your data and/or money by a scammer).
>>72428741
You got that full skeleton coaster post? Could use a laugh
>>72429101
It isn't silence, it's withholding evidence.
Idiot.
>>72428935
>He HAS TO OPEN IT since it is not an unreasonable search for evidence of a crime.
It should be, and I'm pretty sure it actually is... SCOTUS will rule on it at some point I'm sure.
>Again he only has the right to not testify aganist himself. His HHD is evidence.
How is giving up a password not a form of testimony, self incrimination and/or helping your own prosecution?
Have you ever wondered why Anglo-states are the basically the only non-third-world states that practise this sort of madness?
>>72429100
Great. But you cannot simply act like this man has just drawn images. He could have ANYTHING but since he is hiding evidence they won't know. So he can just stew in jail.
Also considering the article states this man was being watched, I think it is safe to assume he doesn't just have drawn stuff.
>>72428257
>The US government can compel speech in a variety of ways
MURRRICAAAAAAAAA
MAH BURGEEERS
>>72428977
>Silence is not obstruction
In the US it is,>>72428977
>The court order isn't even legitimate since it's asking him to either incriminate himself or to prove his innocence.
repeat after me:
E V I D A N C E
E V I D A N C E
got it?
Not:
T E S T I M O N Y
Short an simple, just like you.
>>72428997
>They had an investigation with enough evidence for them to conclude he has something,
Why not convict him on that then?
>It's not that complex, but pedoscum are making a big deal of it and giving this case notice.
It's not fuck all to do with pedos, and everything with basic rights for suspects in civilised court systems.
>>72425921
Retarded future slave
>>72428888
a lot of the amendments are pretty boring to be fair.
>>72428422
I mean historically, you fucking autist. There has never been an unbreakable safe.
>>72429101
Don't play stupid here
His decision not to speak in the light of such accusations is obstruction
What about the fifth amendment?
>>72427546
They beg to differ. They have incarcerated journalists for refusing to disclose information.
I agree though. Also I believe this is a clear example of pleading the 5th. You have no duty to incriminate yourself.
>>72429294
>its muh rite 2 jak off 2 keedz baby
*he says while shitting his diaper and filling his mouth with tendies*
>>72428455
It's still the government doing it. To put your suggestion in another context, should the police be able to direct "non-police officers" to interrogate defendants without reading Miranda rights.
In both cases, the "neutral" party is agent of the government.
>all these cuck Americans siding with the fascist government
Read the Fifth Amendment again you worthless cunts.
I thought you motherfuckers were all about your Constitution and Bill of Rights, but I guess that goes out the window when anything that is politically on your side pops up, then those things don't matter. Unprincipled, cowardly little fucks.
>>72429287
>E V I D A N C E
lmao
It's Evidence, retard.
E V I D E N C E
>>72429177
>he's withholding information that can prove or disprove the claims against him.
It's up to the prosecution to build a case, not him.
>reasonable suspicion to arrest him, which means he done fucked up somewhere
no, it only means they think he did and wanted to question him
>when you face charges that's the point, to prove your innocence
No, at all points the state has to prove your guilt.
>Not since 1789. Retard.
>“courts may issue all writs necessary or appropriate in aid of their respective jurisdictions and agreeable to the usages and principles of law.”
>agreeable to the.. principles of law
http://www.nyulawreview.org/sites/default/files/pdf/NYULawReview-83-1-Portnoi.pdf
Please read the shit you're talking about.
You're stating that "the police think he might have done something therefore he needs to prove his innocence, why would the police think he did something if he wasn't guilty"
>>72429183
Actually, the policy makes it so that non-retards will ALWAYS pay the scammer, because not paying the scammer will indeed lead to you being locked up indefinitely for not complying with a request you literally cannot comply with. That's what I meant by 'making the scam foolproof'... This line of US policy gives you a choice between paying up or going to jail.
>>72429212
http://imgur.com/gallery/Wxzbl
>>72428935
>HAS TO OPEN IT
You are aware that law enforcement can view all the data on the drive, right?
What you're referring to is the simulacrum. In order for those 1's and 0's to become evidence they have to compel the charged to give them the magic word.
They have all the data sitting right in front of them, but it's all mixed up and there's only one way to turn it into the data they want.
We keep telling you that meme magic is real. These pictures currently do not exist in objective reality. The only way they can be manifested subjectively is to manipulate them into the proper order using the password.
The drive isn't physically locked. They have the drive in their possession. They can get into the data, and they need his help in making it into evidence.
This whole case is batshit insane by any measure of objective reality.
>>72429386
5th amendment is self incrimination by testimony.
Material evidence has 0 to do with the 5th amendment. That's like saying if you lock all your doors to your house the police can't come in with a warrant.
You obviously don't know anything about our laws so why even bother talking shit?
>a significant portion of /pol/ apparantly consists of freedom haters
Hilarious m80s
>>72429527
>Material evidence has 0 to do with the 5th amendment. That's like saying if you lock all your doors to your house the police can't come in with a warrant.
To stick with that analogy: The warrant gives the police to enter your house. It does not give them the authority to FORCE YOU to let them in. They can bust down the door to get in, but they cannot force you to open it for them.
>>72428983
>violent criminals will use any excuse presented for their violence.
What a shocker. Nice role models for all of us to emulate as a society too.
>>72428860
True about the onion sites. Really slipped my mind. You are right about that pedos are stupid, they always leave something for the law to find. And from what I've seen in busts, they usually are part of a cp ring. You can look at his social circle and deduce from there additional suspects.
I just find it funny how the law has a complete lack of introspection. In their blind pursuit to jail criminals, they don't even consider how they are becoming more and more like the oppressive monarchies that we complained about in the Declaration of Independence. Besides why so much effort of this dude? There's plenty of murderers and gamgbangers to arrest in Pennsylvania.
Also have you noticed that they are trying to use the same law (1789 All writs act) to compel him to decrypt? Sounds just like the Apple case only this time the guy has social stigma and lack of corporate power to protect him. He's fucked and eventually the rest of us Americans are too.
What a fucking waste. The Feds should be focused on stopping cartels, gangs and terror cells.
>>72429289
I am not a lawyer, and the article doesn't shed a lot of the details, but it does mention some of them and that they tracked him based on his activity on freenet.
Maybe they can arrest him but want to pry out the answer from him to see what sort of material it contains lest they punish him too lightly.
>>72428935
But, giving the password to the hard drive is testifying against himself in the sense that it shows his control over the hard drives contents.
A hard drive may be in your home but you have nothing to do with it. It could be a roommate's or relative's. Imagine how much easier the government's case is when they can not only say the hard drive was found in his home but then he gave us the password. Why even have the trial at that point?
>>72429611
>gives the police to enter your house
*authority
>>72429549
No freedoms for a pedophile m8. Anyone with kids will give you the same response.
>>72429614
No my point is that even the scum of society thinks pedophiles are lower than them (which they are) lol.
If he's been ordered by the court to give his passwords, then, yeah, he should comply.
However, I'm not so sure he should be held solely on suspicion -- can't they only hold him for 24 hours, anyway, if it's just suspicion?
>>72429549
>muh freedumbs to rape and abuse kids
Fuck off kiddie diddler /pol/ is against degeneracy
>>72429527
>5th amendment is self incrimination by testimony.
The arrangement of 1's and 0's is not comparable to a physical container such as a house by any stretch of objectivity.
what they have is this.
1011010010010101101011010101
what they want is this.
0101101010110101010010101010110010101
And they're trying to invoke a subpoena to magically make it happen.
>>72429450
Thanks Mr. Bones sama
>>72429225
>withholding evidence
He isn't withholding evidence, they've got the hard disk.
>>72429287
>evidence
>needs to compel someone to incriminate themselves or prove themselves innocent to actually have the evidence
>>72429314
No it isn't. It's refusing to be compelled to incriminate yourself or prove your innocence.
>>72429549
It's very disappointing.
>>72429527
>Material evidence has 0 to do with the 5th amendment. That's like saying if you lock all your doors to your house the police can't come in with a warrant.
You can lock all your doors, and you don't have to unlock them. They can't force you to unlock them either. They can however break them down. You can encrypt your drives. They can break the encryption, they can't force you to decrypt your drive.
It won't stop the government trying to make you though.
>>72429549
>anyone thinks hitler is a meme
i'm just glad this is all recorded and archived send me a post card from camp fema jk there is no post box
Jesus -- has no one in this thread ever heard of the Fifth Amendment? Are there truly so few Americans educated about their own constitutional system that no one is able to state how blatantly abusive this is?
>>72429720
That's the point.
Looks like the only crime he is guilty of is being in contempt of court, which has a rather insignificant maximum sentence in comparison to the charges against him.
>>72429648
>I am not a lawyer, and the article doesn't shed a lot of the details, but it does mention some of them and that they tracked him based on his activity on freenet.
Either they have enough evidence to convict him, or they do not. Either way, they should not be trying to get him to help his own conviction, as that's simply not done in civil societies...
>Maybe they can arrest him but want to pry out the answer from him to see what sort of material it contains lest they punish him too lightly.
What they want is irrelevant. What they should be allowed to do, or what the suspect can be forced to do under the rule of law is the question..
Land of the free.
>>72429699
But, he hasn't been found to be a pedophile yet. Sure, the police had probable cause, but that is an easy standard to meet, below 50/50. If you get pulled over and a cop says he faintly smells weed, he has probable cause to search your vehicle even if he doesn't smell shit and you've never smoked.
Thus, even if you go with your no rights for pedos, you still might want a higher standard than probable cause to determine whether someone is a pedophile.
>>72426451
Yep, women realized that when they're in their 20s and riding the cock carousel no sane man would marry them over a pure 14 year old that has always dreamed of getting married and being a housewife.
Theres nothing more lame than watching a bunch of normals sit around circlejerking over who hates pedophiles the most.
>>72429699
Now prove the person accused is a pedo within the bounds of the constitution so we know he's the scum of society instead of trying to emulate the prisoners that'll gang rape him without question :^)
>>72429887
>be french
>get arrested
>burden of proof is upon me to prove innocence
How's that Justinian legal code working out?
>>72427826
The explicit pictures and thumbs you saw and scream "MODS MODS MODS" at would be more than convincing.
>>72429905
Nice try pedoscum a Federal court issued a search warrant their standards are a lot higher than traffic stops.
Holy shit so many pedo apologists ITT GTFO degenerate creepy freaks you will be executedon the day of the rope
>>72425896
i suspect this case is bullshit. the "perp" was a police seargent. he is a straw man they are trying to build statuettes of data decryption enforcement to use against apple and anyone else who would keep their shit encrypted.
>>72429905
He hasn't been found to be a pedophile because he is withholding evidence. Stop ignoring facts from the article
>>72429640
> What a fucking waste. The Feds should be focused on stopping cartels, gangs and terror cells.
I hate this stupid logic. Crime is crime. I understand that children getting raped doesn't bother you that much but it's still a crime.
>b-but t-they're not raping anybody it's just pictures
How do you know? Those pictures had to come from somewhere dumb-ass, at some point a child was raped, and even if you weren't the one that did that raping maybe the guy you got them from was.
The thing is we'll never know if the cops don't hunt down pedos like the animals they are.
>>72428502
Fuck off pedoscum
>>72430054
Your tinfoil hat is showing
>>72429935
Back to your containment board you creepy repulsive pedorapist
>>>/a/
>>>/r9k/
>>72430058
So the accusations cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Shouldn´t that lead to acquittal?
>>72430062
Saying crime is crime is pointless when debating what should constitute crime. Plus, the executive does have to prioritize certain crimes over others. Every dollar spent in one crime division dept is one less dollar in another Dept.
>>72428935
>Forget password because of head injury
>jailed forever
What now boot licker? Are you gonna say that said people should be jailed even though their memory is faulty? I don't know about you but thought crime is not reality yet. Also how do you explain why people have the right to not input their passcode for their phones yet their fingerprints can be used to unlock? It is illegal to force or punish someone for not providing evidence in their own trial if said evidence resides only in that person's head. You have to exhaust all other avenues to acquire information, don't be a lazy cuck like most law these days and resort to bullying citizens to get evidence the easy way. If you can't convict him he gets released but here's the beauty of that. No person is perfect because we are human and are capable of making mistakes. He'll fuck up something else down the line that you can jail him for.
>>72430170
No because he is withholding evidence interfering with a police investigation. And that is 100% against the law.
>>72430040
Their standard is probable cause.
>>72430239
>Forget password because of head injury
>jailed forever
Too bad that is not the situation at all and can't be used as an argument.
