Well Americans, is it true?
yes, one day we will send all jews to the oven, it's true
>>72414822
As true as Russia shoving it's hairy cock up your ass
>>72414847
>>72414874
Don't you find it unfair that the rich don't pay as much as they should?
>>72414822
>118k a year
Sure is fucking hardlife, you cunt.
>>72414947
Alexis don't you have a deal to reach with EU?
>>72414822
please send all the jews to the oven
>>72414822
We should have a flat tax for ALL people. Penalizing the rich is just asking them to leave and take their wealth/job creation with them.
t. not a very wealthy man
>>72414822
What about the thousands of people they employ paying into social security?
>>72415324
I want our current government to fail so I can vote for ΝΔ again.
So I don't care about any agreement
>>72414947
Wait i thought the problem was that they were paying too much.
People who earn 100k should pay less than a billionaire. They're paying too much.
>>72414822
He made 205k in '14, and still drew SS benefits. Dude needs to be beaten savagely for his hypocrisy
>>72414947
Nope. Why should the so-called rich be punished simply because they make bank? Gas them because they're Jews.
>>72415409
quite more than the average Joe .
bernie top 5% paid 13% in taxes
i personally had to pay more and it was my first year making more than a million
fuck bernie
less government please i cant breathe
Yes and a billionaire gets just as much back in SS as a poorer person.
>>72414822
Yes, the person making $118,500 should be paying less.
>>72415465
That's actually a fair point.
>>72414822
The BIGGEST DEADBEATS are lecturing us on "not paying their fair share"
Maybe when your country gets out of the NEGATIVE credit scores, you can share opinion.
Different types of income
when you tax capital gains you lower the incentive to invest, which is something you don't want to do overnight with a steep tax increase
>>72415465
False SS does favour the rich because they live longer but they still only take out what they pay in. Niggers on the other hand never pay in and take out alot.
>>72415511
If anything SS should factor in wealth at 65 so if you are a billionaire you get nothing back. I bet billionaires wouldn't give a shit about that.
>>72415431
>average joe
>$118,500/yr
kek
but yes if they were paying a percentage it should be a lot higher
but isn't social security limited or fixed for each citizen?
>>72415431
How much more
>>72415604
See my suggestion
>>72415615
>>72415615
Also a fair point.
>>72415418
They use more resources, why shouldn't they pay more tax isn't that how tax and public debt should work?
>>72414947
>implying they pay less than they should
>>72414947
>should
Give me a reason why they SHOULD.
>>72415647
Yeah I agree with that but I still want to lynch niggers.
>>72415674
They are also more productive in many cases then the poor which is why they have more resources.
>>72415511
But they're PRIVILEGED.
>>72414822
Remember the employer pays 6.2% of all social security, matching the contributions of the employee. The real question is why should they have to pay this twice?
The closet commie cuck likes to pretend that the rich made $$$ through theft (like what Sanders has done through career politics, literally doing nothing) rather than industry or stock options.
It's a joke.
>>72414947
>Don't you find it unfair that the rich don't pay as much as they should?
I feel it is unfair you don't pay off your denbts
>>72414822
idgaf
>>72415827
We pay our denbts in Immigrants
>>72414822
Yes, because they also get the same amount out of social security. In theory social security is supposed to be an investment and not a tax eating ponzi scheme.
>>72415725
Production is exactly what consumes resources and creates waste, they are as comfortable as money can possibly make them at that point.
>>72414822
Well Greeks, is it true ?
>>72416086
Well if you dont like waste and consuming resources I suggest you kill yourself.
>>72414822
PAY DENBPNTS
DON'T SPEAK ABOUT ECONOMY SHIT GREECE
>>72416162
If you don't like the fact that the waste and decay needs managed and planned for such that someone needs to pay for it, go somewhere else and cry about it, that's how tax works.
Why is that corpse talking?
>>72416348
I never said it didn't need to be managed. I said if you dont like it you should kill yourself. No taxes are used for a variety of reasons anon. Not just the management of waste.
>>72415431
It's a bit fucking rich when Greece is talking about paying what you owe
>>72415418
Tax isn't a punishment, you dolt.
>>72416472
I'm not fully Greek m8
and my finances are good.
>>72414822
>amount
>being this retarded
>>72416446
A variety of problems are created by merchants too, wealth hoarders have the most stuff that needs the most protection from public services as well and excessive enterprise causes the most burden on public utilities and infrastructure.
>>72416575
If your jewish why are you so bad at Finance
>>72416642
No they dont anon many big companies are a boon for The government because they usually pay more tax then smaller ones.
>it's a /pol/ defends Jewish bankers thread
>>72414947
They pay a ton of other taxes. Including taxes on wealth in many states.
>>72416702
You mean bigger companies employ a lot more low wage employees who pay a lot of tax?
Since you now seem to agree that they should pay more tax, we can all sleep easily knowing you will finally kill yourself.
>>72416952
Who are you voting for in your general election?
>>72414822
there are americans making $118K a year? wtf?
![vote_none_of_the_above_yard_sign[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fGDq8bt.jpg "vote_none_of_the_above_yard_sign[1].jpg")
>>72417026
>>72417265
Oh I see your one of those "types"
>>72414822
>Equality is bad
Lel
>Rich people should be punished for having accumilated wealth
Leftists actually believe this
>>72417387
It doesn't matter I don't even live in a swing state, local elections are all that matter.
>>72414822
Yes, Bernie should be paying less.
It's disingenuous. A billionaire probably does not get a billion dollars a year in new directly taxable employer funded income, which is what social security is taxed against.
>>72414847
1st post best post
Billionaire =\= making billions each year. Jesus fuck.
>>72419375
Wasn't it revealed that he only paid 10% tax on like $140k income or something?
>>72417482
>taxes are punishment for not being on welfare.
Retards actually believe this.
>>72414947
>should
hol up hol up
Explain to me why they SHOULD give more money than anyone else does?
Because unlike you they weren't sitting doing nothing and are successful?
Is that the reason why they have to pay more than you do?
>>72416642
What entitles you to other people's money you communist faggot?
>>72414822
pay DEBNTS
The fuck good is social security to someone with his shit together? Social security is only for fuckups and people who never got anywhere in life.
>>72421330
What entitles them to a disproportionate amount of public resources and services without paying their fair share of taxes?
>>72414822
There is a cap on social security. A billionaire may pay the same amount, but he will also only receive the same amount upon retirement. You can only get like a maximum of 3000.00 used a month from social security despite your earnings after 100k+.
>Hey guys, let's all pitch in to help old people.
>Hey you, you seem to be running your business more successfully than me
>Therefore, you should pitch in even more than everyone else
How does that follow?
>>72414822
>right now a billionaire who will NOT be living off of social security is still contributing to it anyway, and a commie is complaining because he feels like he has the right to take more of someone else's money
Fixed it
>>72417259
Haha where tf do you live?
>flag
On vacation
>>72415674
How do you measure resources they use?
Aside from putting tolls on every road, its impossible to tell. I doubt Notch or Pewdiepie use more resources than a farmer.
>>72414822
>>72414947
>>72415431
>>72415939
>>72416575
P A Y D E N B T S
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The billionaire wont cash out though on ss and the 6 figure man wont as much as someone who makes 30 grand.
>>72414947
>should
That's an awfully loaded word in this context. Why SHOULD they pay more when they aren't eligible for more benefits?
You get what you pay for, and they get the same SS benefits as the guy making $118K.
/pol/ can you explain how you can simultaneously think that the rich shouldn't be taxed more, and hate Jews.
Not shilling just wondering
>>72414947
Since when are the rich more deserving of being raped by the government class that everyone else?
Your tax money doesn't actually go for anything, just salaries and benefits for government workers.
>>72422446
No one hates Jews because they're rich
Just because they're globalist scum who are actively trying to kill nation states for whites
>>72421662
>What entitles them to a disproportionate amount of public resources and services without paying their fair share of taxes?
Strawman leftist shit
fuck off commie
It's not Trump's fault Clinton spent the SS surplus then Obama went and dumped millions of illegals, Africans, and Muslims into government social services to put it into a deeper hole.
>>72414947
The rich pay a lions share of the taxes, 99% of these Bernie supporters pay a net negative in taxes.
They want others to pay more while they pay less, they're mentally children.
>>72422676
But if you hate them wouldn't it be a good idea to take as much of their money as you can?
>>72414947
>taking economics lessons from Greece
>>72414947
>>72421662
You didn't answer his question, comrade. Why do you deserve what they earned?
>>72416125
No, it's actually not. Greece doesn't have to pay the debt. The debt is odious, which essentially means it's illegitimate and should be written off as per international law:
> Three weeks ago the Greek Parliament issued a report by its Debt Truth Commission. They found that most of these official debts are legally odious debts. The money that was ostensibly paid to Greece wasn’t really paid to Greece at all. Most was paid to French and German banks, along with other European bondholders. Greece didn’t get this money. It’s as if, suppose, you have a house and own it free and clear. But a bank comes to you and says, well, you have to pay us a mortgage, because somebody in the next block just took out a mortgage on your house, and so now you have to pay it.
> You can say, “Wait a minute, I didn’t take out that mortgage. There was no basis for that. I never signed anything.” That’s what Greece is saying when Papandreou, the former prime minister, said he wanted a referendum four years ago about the loan to Greece. Angela Merkel and the French President Sarkozy said: “You can’t have a referendum, they’ll vote no.” So they knew that what they were doing was anti-democratic. That means it was odious, politically speaking.
[...]
> The term odious debt is a legal term. It was invented earlier in the century, almost 100 years ago, for debts that are basically wrong, or ones that are taken on by a non-democratic government in the name of the people, but paid to themselves and their backers. Then they try to shift this debt onto a country’s taxpayers. Under international law such debts don’t have to be paid. That’s what happened in Greece. The loans made to Greece by the International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank were not really made to Greece. Greece was only a vehicle for them to pay bondholders, who made a killing.
http://michael-hudson.com/2015/07/why-greeces-debt-is-illegal/
>>72421662
And who gets to define what a fair share of taxes are?
Here is where your leftist logic breaks down.Go on, try to argue for it. Yours will get torn apart and handed back to you in a million pieces.
>>72415369
Oy very, yes goyim trickle down does really work! Yes, yes give more shekels dirty goy!
How cucked are you?
>>72423113
>international law
Stopped reading there. There is no international law, full stop.
>>72414822
>Greece giving views on how a country should manage its finances.
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>>72414822
>Implying that Social Security isn't a retarded, nigger-tier Ponzi scheme that needs to eventually be eliminated entirely.
Fucking statistfags.
>>72423208
Tell me, when you tax companies and corporations, who do you think suffers for it?
The customers and the employees. They don't just take the loss, they compensate by firing their lowest denominators and making everyone else work harder while raising the price. You know nothing about business and this post proves it.
>>72423208
Fuck off commie retard
>>72423423
>Tell me, when you tax companies and corporations, who do you think suffers for it?
Ask Carrier employees
>>72414822
Bernie and his wife collect almost $40,000 in social security annually. It's not hard to see what he wants
>oy vey billionaih goyim wheah's my free money
>>72415369
>Flat tax
>Tax
No, that's only the first step. Use a flat tax to keep us afloat til Bernankheeb and Yellen get their due and abolish the income tax entirely. I'm tired of paying for stupid Dem-bribe nigger toys.
>>72423208
Oy vey YES OH YES goyim! Give us more of your income so we can bribe niggers with gibsmedats to keep us, JEHOVA'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, in power!
>>72423423
Oh yes, so logically we should eliminate all corporate tax, right? Corporations can just "force" one employee to do the work of two or three apparently.
Seriously, you guys sound like corporate PR people. Have you really bought in that far into the propaganda?
Sad
>>72417265
>I'm le nonvoter!
Enjoy having literally none of your people in government care about you then. Not even your local government will care for a shitter like you. You're not going to give a vote in return, so why legislate in favor of you?
>>72423821
>Corporations can just "force" one employee to do the work of two or three apparently.
Yes. Yes they do. Go into any CVS or walmart store and ask how many hours they work, and ask them if they'll get fired if they take any less.
I dare you. You will eat your own words.
>>72414947
Social security is a fucking ponzi. Billionaires not paying enough or not, it should have not been created in the first place. So yeah, something needs to change, but people who have paid into it aren't going to be happy.
>>72423944
>lower-educated workers who don't have the leverage to leave or demand change
Try harder
Also even that's becoming less true as we're reaching the natural unemployment rate
>>72414947
I find it unfair that people have to sacrifice their incomes to pay for cheap cell phones and EBT for niggers. Abolish the income tax yesterday.
>sit on your ass doing nothing
>government gives you money
>work
>government takes money from your paycheck
Doesnt it make more sense to actually GIVE the rich money instead of taxing the shit out of them? Like a reward for being so successful?
You NEED these people in your country, theyre success incarnate. You dont get them to stay by taking their shit but by GIVING them shit.
>>72414822
Yes it is.
It's like going to a grocery store and having to pay the same amount of money for a gallon of milk as everyone else.
Both the billionaire and the person who makes 100k a year get the same amount of services out of social security.
>>72424442
the system works
>>72414822
I would agree, considering that that money will never benefit him at all, why should a billionaire pay at all? At that point it's not a tax for a service, it's compelled charity, I.E. theft.
>you make more money, therefore you should pay more for the same thing
How does this ''logic'' even work?
If I am a millionaire a candybar should cost 100 dollars for me?
>BUT DA WUN PURSENT!
Show me how much "wealth" the 1% has that's actually liquid assets, and not things like land and investments that aren't actually tangible, and then we'll talk.
>>72414822
Not into social security. Someone who makes that much probably will never see the supplement pay. SOCIAL SECURITY ISNT SUPOSED TO REPLACE YOUR INCOME ENTIRELY WHEN YOU RETIRE.
>>72424445
Not necessarily give them money but make it easier for them to continue making money.
This is the entire point that anti-bernie people are trying to make when they say that the bernout doesn't understand economics.
If you tax the shit out of successful people they're just going to go to places where taxes are more favorable for profit. It happens in the states all the time.
>>72414822
A billionaire doesnt need social security. He wouldnt get any more back than someone making 118k a year anyway.
>>72424445
no it doesn't you fucking retard. what does make sense is to tax them the same way you tax everyone fucking else.
equal opportunities, equal penalties.
And he's only going to take out the same amount the person making $120K does. My wife makes about $200K, so she stops paying into it in July. And when she retires she will only be taking out about $36K / year.
The program needs to be revised anyway. It was never intended to be a retirement program. It was meant to be a safety net so grandpa wouldn't live in a cardboard box.
They should means-test it and reduce benefits across the board. If you retire and have no assets, then you should get welfare and live in a dormitory or public housing.
>>72424694
>you compete
>you get same participation award while coming in first as you do while coming in last
>fair
theyre gonna fuck off sooner or later to a place which rewards them for being successful
>>72424605
Goyim, don't you know us chose- I mean hardworking 1% don't actually have money? Gib social security my poor millionaire ass can't buy a third private jet
>>72414822
Social security is a literal pyramid scam. Why should billionaires be punished more for something nobody should pay at all?
>>72424445
I am so fucking sick of this meme
The overwhelming majority of people who are rich aren't rich because of inherent superiority, but sheer dumb fucking luck
They had the right contacts and friends, or their family did
They inherited their wealth
They managed to luck into the right job
They managed to luck onto the right business (founded by someone who was actually superior but got swindled in business)
They sucked from the public teat
They fucked their way up the ladder
etc
>>72425043
Despite how they got there the point is theyre successful and good for the country theyre in.
So we should try more to keep them there instead of blaming them for being successful. Theyre essentially investors. You dont keep investors by offending them or telling them fuck you pay me.
>>72424471
Think of it this way
Everyone has to pay a million dollars a year in social security
But people who can't afford it are discounted down to an affordable level
>>72424848
more like the guy who got 100k$ by winning Wimbledon has to pay the fees for using the dressers in the stadium just like everyone else.
>>72424848
>same participation award
no you fucking retard, you get the same conditions as all other competitors, your reward is however much money you manage to make and whatever standard of life you make for yourself.
leave it to a greek to be shit at all things economics.
Fuck Bernie
>>72425179
Bullshit.
They pay their damn taxes and contribute back to the society that let them get where they are.
Anything less is theft.
Also, economic advice from a greek...
These fags will argue how the rich should keep all their money because they're successful and "earned" it. They won't be happy until the realty disparity is so vast that everyone lives in Dredd-tier slums with just a handful of elite ruling over them while they funnel their limited resources right to their pockets.
How anyone can look at extant wealth disparities and think "this is fine and will be fine forever" is beyond me.
>>72425043
>WHITEY BE RACISS MY ASS COULD BE RICH TOO DEY JUST BEED LUCKY N SHEEITT
Get this commie-tier horseshit off of here, you pinko faggot. Obviously Jeff Bezos, for instance, is smarter and more capable than Jamal Jenkums. By your logic Bezos was just more lucky and Jamal just wasn't lucky enough, not because Jamal never did jack shit with his life. Bezos going to Princeton and graduating summa cum laude with a in computer science and seeing opportunities in the then-growing internet wasn't a wise business move, it was "purely luck" and the only reason Jamal's shoe company didn't work out was because of "bad luck." Bezos is inherently superior to Jamal. Bezos didn't inherit shit. He worked his ass off and started in a fucking garage. Jamal is not entitled to Bezos' earnings because Jamal did not earn them. I don't understand why people are this autistic.
>>72414947
But the richest 25% already pay about 86% of taxes. I don't understand what you're getting at.
>>72425275
It doesnt matter how you rationalize it, if a rich person competes in a society which doesnt recognize his contributions he's gonna fucking leave sooner or later.
It doesnt matter how much money they make, thats their personal success and they dont owe it to anyone else. The point is how the government treats them and if they get treated the same way as a low-life they have no reason to stay in that country.
>>72425283
Bernie fu ked himself sucking up to BBC. He's done. Good riddens to this shit socialist.
>>72414822
I would go one step further than a flat tax rate. I think everyone should pay the SAME amount of taxes. Say 5k per person, regardless of how much money they make.
>>72425188
No.
That's like saying everyone has to buy an Aston Martin DB9 but poor people get one too just because they can't afford it.
Now if you wanted to scale it down to say.. well hey. Those who can afford the DB9 get the DB9 but those of you who can't afford it will get a comparibly priced car to what you put into this investment.
That's okay.
But what you're talking about is just fucking retarded.
>>72425473
Some of them are savvy, but most of your average rich folk are just lucky fucks. Half of them barely worked to get where they are.
A fair number of them are dumber than fenceposts.
And Bezos benefits more from society so yeah damn right he should contribute more back.
The alternative is being cut the fuck off from society and the money that he has being meaningless outside of that society.
>>72425523
his contributions are recognized by fame and that he gets to keep an equal percentage to the rest. there should be equal oppurtunities for the rich, as the poor, to earn money and actually keep that money. without it you get a stagnating economy.
>>72414947
Social Security is a pyramid scheme and should be abolished
>>72425360
Youre taking as a given that somehow society got them where they are. If that is the case, why doesnt society take us all there? Does society choose who they want to succeed? No. You fucking make your success and giving the credit to society is what poorfags do to convince rich people they somehow owe money to society. Its bullshit.
>>72425043
Confirmed poor and lazy person
Get fucked
>>72425563
So you would want to bankrupt your country
And what if you only make 4k a month?
>>72425473
If Bezos' success is attributed to an intrinsic superiority, he didn't earn shit, he just lucked out and won the genetic lottery. You speak of biological determinism but try to rationalize relative success as the product of hard work. In your scenario, both men worked, one just happened to be smarter than the other. How is intelligence earned if it's innate?
>>72424237
>>lower-educated workers who don't have the leverage to leave or demand change
So then 90% of the workforce?
Ok senpai good to know your job only matters if you're a corporate stooge
>>72414947
>He makes more money therefore I'm entitled to his money.
Spiro pls
>>72425629
>recognized by fame
THEY achieved that, its their own personal success, youre making it sound like society 'allowed' them that privilege or something
>he gets to keep an equal percentage
>gets to keep
you dont GET TO KEEP shit, like its some kind of favor. You fucking made that money, noone is doing you a favor by "letting you" keep an equal percentage..thats fucking commie talk
>>72425557
>good riddens
Trump voter found
>>72421662
>fair share
Subjective. They are paying their fair share faggot considering they already pay the majority of taxes.
>>72425589
To be financially viable, social security must receive X income per year
Divide X by the number of people. That number will be too high for many to contribute.
Therefore, reduce the actual income number for those unable to pay until they are. Use a sliding scale of course to minimize the losses.
You then adjust the payments for the remainder until the total X is achieved again.
The new "top" payment is the "minimum" payment with people unable to pay it given de facto financial hardship discounts.
Obviously in practice this means a sliding scale for contributions until a cap is reached.
That's just the way it's gotta be.
>>72425699
If you only make 4k a year then you should have to work way fucking harder. Even at minimum wage part time you make a higher annual salary than that.
>greek thread about taxes
>>72425647
Without a society to profit from they don't get rich. That's an ongoing thing in the case of income. So yeah that society must be contributed back to. Or they can get fucked, after giving what they earned back, since they wouldn't have earned it without the rest of society.
>>72425683
Just getting sick of libertarian bullshit
>>72425944
Are you an actual communist m8? Or just a poorfag dreaming of the day of redistribution of wealth?
>>72414822
>Reply
i really really REALLy fuckign disliek bernie sanders.
if he were to pass away, i would be elated
>>72422003
this
>>72425613
>Implying anyone needs to "contribute" shit
I don't understand why people are still so cucked and blue-pilled when it comes to taxes. Your taxes are nothing more than a magical pot of gold for politicians to promise fantastic things to niggers in exchange for their undying loyalty come election time. In your case Aussie, this would be abos. "Billionaires payin muh fair share" is contributing to demographic replacement. It lets the liberal parties continue to raise taxes and increase their warchest to pander to minorities. Just look at the Democratic primary. Groids overwhelmingly vote Clinton because she has been tossing gibsmedats out left and right for years at the expense of white people. Unwavering dindu loyalty to liberal parties is a direct result of bloated income taxes giving said parties a means of investing in niggers for the next election.
>>72426069
Pretty centrist economically. But I can't abide the whole libertarian "tax is theft!" crap.
Please send all Jews to the oven.
Please send all Jews to the oven
>>72426247
And middle to upper middle "class" in terms of wealth and income.
>>72426247
Not an argument. How is tax NOT theft?
>>72426195
Fine.
Go live somewhere where there is no wider society and try to get "rich" (like that will mean anything any more) or participate in an economy of one person.
Good fucking riddance.
>>72415343
Don't know how were ignoring that. Hilarious!
>>72414947
They pay the same as someone making 118,500 and get the same benefits as them. The reason SS is so well loved is because it's similar to that universal income you marxist faggots go on an on about. Everyone benefits from it at about the same rate. The moment we make it a welfare transfer from the rich is the moment all of those elderly republicans stop saying "keep your government hands off my social security" and start voting to get rid of social security. Want further proof? Look at which party is pushing to "means test" social security. Republicans know if they can reduce the people benefiting from it, they can polarize it and eventually get half the country to want to eliminate it. Yes it's a ponzi scheme, yes I'd love it eliminated as I'm going to pay in for the next 35 years and get a small fraction out, but the fact of the matter is if they make it more "fair" it will have the unintended consequence of getting rid of it.
>>72425719
>Implying that intelligence is some magical autopilot that guides you through uni and 80 hour work weeks with no pain and sacrifice whatsoever.
Yeah, so fucking what he hit the genetic lottery, but he still sweated his balls off to earn what he did. Jamal could have started a less tech intensive business and bought all the big booty bitches and Olde English he could ever need. But he didn't. You don't have to be Bezos-tier smart to be rich.
>>72426326
Tax is the responsibility commensurate with the right/privilege of living in a civilised society
It's an essential part of the social contract.
Tax only MEANS anything in the context of wealth, and wealth only means anything in the context of a society.
Property is entirely meaningless when considering a single person outside of a society and an economy.
Property only gains meaning in the context of a society/economy.
And therefore the idea of property is subject to caveats like society being able to appropriate some of that property.
>>72422003
Basically this
>>72414947
Fuck you.
I don't even care about debnts. Your idiot people kill and eat song birds and shit on species diversity.
>>72414947
Your question includes a faulty premise.
>The rich should pay more
That's up for debate. Why should they?
>>72414822
Probably but nobody in America actually believes social security is going to be around by the time they retire.
>>72414822
Literally Greed: the candidate.
>>72426371
>Doesn't refute my claim that income taxes are literally a front for demographic replacement.
>Chimps out and pulls a faggoty straw man out of his ass
Look nigger, I'm not saying I don't want a wider society. All I'm saying is that we don't need retard-tier levels of government that require an income tax to support. The US subsisted on no income tax until 1913, and even then it was an income tax of 1%. Income taxes didn't start rising to the levels we have now until Democrats realized that they could make whitey pay for gibsmedats to win over recently enfranchised dindus and truck in shitloads of 3rd world cockroaches to bribe into voting for them. Wake up cuck. Instead of beating off to niggers fucking your wife your beating off to them fucking your income.
>>72414822
>>72416642
>wealth hoarders
>fiat currency
Pick one
>>72427017
Key word - "Subsisted".
Taxes should be high and government should work damn hard to use those taxes well.
Some things work great in private hands. Other things dont.
And there should always be a very solid safety net.
>>72414822
>complains people dont pay enough taxes
>pays zero taxes as a political elite
>>72416573
I wouldn't so much a "punishment," but it certainly is a disincentive for low wage earners.
Suppose you can make 30k a year working. The trade off is that you have to give up your time.
Now, if you can get 30k a year in "free" benefits from the government, you don't have to give up said time.
At the risk of putting forth a false dichotomy, I'd say there are really only two solutions:
1. Decrease government benefits. If you can earn more money with a job you are incentivized to do so.
2. Pay workers a higher wage to exceed the benefits. Once again, financial incentive to get a job.
NOW lets throw taxes into the equation:
Say you take option 2 and increase wages, but workers now have to pay 25% of their earnings into government programs. Suddenly, the worker that was now making 40k a year is back to the original 30k. And you return to the original problem. In this situation, taxes are without a doubt a disincentive for low wage earners. The higher the tax, the greater the disincentive to work.
I'd say even the Australian system where citizens must work so many hours to receive benefits doesn't really solve the problem.
The additional pay from the work on top of the benefits only increases the financial incentive to work as little as possible while maintaining the benefits in order to maximize income with as little hours worked as possible.
>>72427174
Keyword - "Should"
Yeah, government "should" work damn hard to use those taxes well. But guess what? They fucking don't. People "should" realize that the intentions of welfare are for having something to fall back on in times of trouble. But guess what? They fucking don't. I see niggers buying steaks, scented candles and lottery tickets with their fucking EBT. I don't think scented candles are a necessity to live. But hey, anything goes in Straya.
Notice how the times when we had no income tax were some of the best and least degenerate years of American history.
Notice how once the government started dumping whitey's money into niggers they started to become so dependent that they started to chimp out and demand more and more.
"Muh safety net" was originally what Social Security was supposed to be. Now it's an overgrown monster that is threatening to bankrupt the country and nobody wants to touch it because old people will refuse to vote for anyone that does.
You guys are fucking ignorant.
>It is true that a billionaire pays the same as someone who makes 118k in Social Security FICA taxes
>THIS FUCKING KIKE FAILS TO MENTION THAT BILLIONAIRES ALSO DRAW THE SAME AMOUNT FROM SS AS PEOPLE WHO MAKE 118K
>He wants billionaires to pay substantially more but only draw that 118k cap becuz MUH RICHES
>>72423523
That's literally the point.
>>72427719
Governments suffer from the same problems as any large organizations. It's our job to keep them on their toes.
As for safety nets and misues: I'd rather have an inefficient safety net than none. I'd also rather have a safety net that gets abused by some but misses no one who needs it, than a safety net that doesn't get abused but misses many who need it.
Personal priorities. Matters of opinion.
As for the 'least degenerate years' that's nothing but opinion. And I don't really get to have an opinion there as I'm not a yank.
Finally, from what I've seen of the US government figures, social security isn't as big a mess as everyone goes on about - it'd be fine except govts keep nicking funds from it and never returning them, and the needed spending on it could easily be balanced out from other lower priority programs.
>>72428123
>>72423523
nvm I'm retarded.
>>72426426
>>72425640
It's not technically a ponzi scheme/pyramid scheme because social security benefits are invested in US securities, which are openly traded on the market and are considered an investment.
Your tax dollars are taken, invested in US securities, securities are sold on the open market. If the demand rises for US securities, the value of social security goes up.
It would be a scheme if they just stuck the money in the bank and then took your money and tossed it to someone else.
The fucked up part is that liberals want to increase social security payments, while adding on to government debt through increased benefits, which decreases the credit rating of the US, which decreases the value of securities, which decreases the value of the very securities they want to invest in to pay for the benefits.
>>72426247
>Gibs me your income or I'll throw you in jail
>If you resist this, you will be shot to death
How is this not theft? I believe in "taxes" but not "income taxes." There is a distinction. Taxes such as tariffs, excise taxes and taxes on goods are taxes that are optional, and an extra fee when for using government services. Ironically, the US federal government makes more from those sources than they do with the income tax. Go fucking figure.
>>72414822
Yes, it's true, because there is a cap on benefits. The logic is that if there is a cap on benefits, there should be a cap on payments.
It's a grey area for me. On one hand, I hate progressive tax systems. On the other, it may do a lot to solve the social security insolvency problems.
>>72428411
How is income tax fundamentally different to a sales tax on services?
Fundamentally, someone is selling the service of their labour to their employer.
>>72428411
I don't agree that income taxes are "theft" but rather they are double taxation. They tax you on the money when you get it. Tax you on the money when you pay it.
Now, you could just change the tax to where taxes on a person are only paid in a situation where money is transferred from said person to another person, such as taxes on goods and service. This would place the income tax burden on the employer, as they are the ones exchanging their currency for services rendered by the employees.
If you just eliminated taxes on goods (sales tax, etc.) and taxes income instead, you'd lose all of the taxes from foreign investors, tourism, etc. so that's just retarded.
>>72428188
> WE NEED TO STAY INFORMED GUISE IT'S OUR JOB TO KEEP TEH GOVERNMENT ON THEIR TOEZ
Lucky you, you'll now have two jobs to do and niggers will still have zero. If a majority white population can't keep the government from abusing funds with minorities who's numbers are continuously growing? What can? The niggers obviously have no interest in "keepin teh government on its toes" because their entire livelihood comes from the government's abuse.
The hilarious but depressing irony is that white people will say, "Sheesh, I don't have enough money to have children! I don't know if I ever will!" At the same time, they pay nearly half of their income which could be used to rear a beautiful family of their own to pay for some filthy Muslim migrant to spew out 50 worthless raghead larvae that will eventually take over their country.
Congratulations, you are literally being cuckolded.
As for Social Security, I think Trump might be able to fix it. However, I would love for it to be phased out eventually because it is literally a fucking Ponzi scheme legitimized by "You can trust us goyim, we're your goverment."
>>72416575
link to the site?
>>72426524
>>implying
Let's say Jamal and Bezos' theoretically exert the same amount of effort. Jamal fails because he's dumb, Bezos' succeeds because he's smart. Being smart or being dumb are innate attributes that can't really be changed through any force of will. So literally the only thing separating Bezos' from Jamal in this hypothetical scenario is luck. Bezos won the genetic lottery. No one is saying that he didn't do any work for what he had, but that his work was intrinsically more valuable on account of pure luck.
So if his success is predicated on luck just as much -- if not more -- than exerted effort, isn't it at least partially dishonest to say that he "earned" his fortune? Did Jamal earn being poor, despite working?
>Jamal could have started a less tech intensive business
What kind of business would you suggest that he start?
>You don't have to be Bezos-tier smart to be rich.
Never did I say this. However, there must be a rough threshold of intelligence, creativity, etc. required to attain wealth through entrepreneurship.
>>72414947
You're Greek, you can never talk about denbts.
EVER
>>72414822
Rich people owe you?
>>72428987
Because an income tax is basically a mob shakedown. The government has done literally nothing that requires you to pay. An excise tax for instance, is fair because a happy merchant would actually be using muh roads and muh ports to ship goods. A tariff would be fair because a foreign entity would be using muh roads and muh ports to import goods. A sales tax is fair because it's pretty negligible and its usually on shit that people buy often but don't necessarily need to stay alive. For instance, there are stamp taxes but not food taxes.
>>72414822
I like how his plan to fix a broken system is to just pump more money into it. I think old people should be taken care of, but SS is fucking up right now.
>>72414822
The rate should be the same for everybody. Higher rates for the wealthy is stealing.
>>72415953
This is true. SS is supposed to be an investment, its not supposed to be welfare.
>>72414822
Socialists think it's unfair for two people to pay the same cost for the same service. Why are they allowed to dress themselves, let alone vote?
>>72414947
>implying i can take greek economic opinions seriously
>implying that any extra tax money wouldn't be immediately embezzled or wasted on sub-humans
pay up
>>72415264
$118k is not that much in the USA. I would say it's like making €50k in France, upper-middle class
>>72429053
>Exert the same amount of effort
What are they exerting it into? Are they just excreting pure energy from their bodies? To explain my point and simultaneously answer your second question, if Jamal exerts the same amount of effort into starting a barber shop, or a landscaping business, or an athletic shoe store, or We Wuz Kangz Publishing Ltd. as Bezos exerts into starting and building Amazon, they will both be successful. You don't have to be too bright to run a small business. If Jamal doesn't feel like doing it, then too bad, get a wage-earning job and make money that way, but don't bitch about "muh fair share." There definitely is a threshold, but I've seen some dumb motherfuckers work pretty hard and end up being successful. Again, not Bezos-tier successful, but still successful nonetheless.
>>72414822
It's the same in every countries, when you make a lot of money you can invest it in real estate, or startups, donate to ""charity"", hire people to clean your house, and all of that reduces taxes. But the investment worth it socially. More houses, more jobs etc.
Sanders is a douche
>>72414822
ya. Billionaires shouldn't have to pay into social security since they don't need t!
>implying social security isn't a pyramid scheme
>>72423821
>Corporations can just "force" one employee to do the work of two or three apparently.
I thought that was the entire joke about or country?
>>72429028
Not ironic, not funny.
>>72428991
We used to be able to fund our government by without an income tax because we weren't spending millions of dollars on gibsmedat programs AKA Democrat Party recruiting offices. Also, we weren't handing out money to random countries and fighting wars for Shlomo. Sales taxes, tariffs and excise taxes would be plenty if we closed our random faggot bases around the world and made the Eurofags stand up for themselves and gave less money fo dem programs.
>>72414822
bernie truly is the retard candidate
>>72414822
A billionaire shouldnt have to pay anything because he will never need it.
>>72430576
The funny part is just how cucked white people are for having one kid if any at all because it's too expensive yet they have no problem buying sand-nigger votes with their tax dollars.
>>72425758
If 90% of the population can't get a degree than be it
>>72414822
Bernie is what happens when the memefags get old enough to vote
>>72430080
That's a lot depending on where you live. If you live in New York, San Francisco, or basically any big city that's not a lot. But if you live in a decent size city or a small town that's juat about enough for a married couple to live comfortably. For a single person that's more than enough money to live comfortablely.
>>72415725
>Yeah I agree with that but I still want to lynch niggers.
That's fair
we shouldn't have social security
/thread
>>72425563
What?
>>72431814
Yes it works about the same here, maybe the gap is smaller though.
What I meant is that in France when we earn €2000 a month, its a comfortable salary, because it includes "free" healthcare, "free" education... I think you need to double this in America
>>72432175
We shouldn't have faggots like you
/thread
>>72414822
Well that's equality you stupid old fuck
>>72414847
No, billionaires dont pay anything because of a bullshit dem taxcode eith a fuckton of loopholes
>>72414822
Social Security has been moved to the General Fund so Congress can use that Social Security tax to pay for whatever the fuck they want.
Bernie's premise may have held some sort of weight before that happened.
>>72414947
Bernie didn't even pay all of his taxes you faggot.
