why do people hold the "meme" of arabs being cowards at war?
irak surrendered to the usa because it was an overwhelming coalition formed by literally every country in the world but russia ,china and france
irak soldiers had fought for 8 years against iran, in chemical polluted zones and against baoynet charges, dying more than half a million
they also were alpha as fuark and would not doubt in beating somebody to death or etc
then, why do you still follow that meme?
>>72326840
Gets posted a lot. It's not a meme.
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
>>72326840
Think of it as any arab not completely brainwashed by their religion will be the most yellow pussy you've ever met
Iraq was supported by literally every country except Syria and north Korea against Iran. Iraq were the only ones using chemical weapons.
Learn your history right
>>72327148
fucking this. thank you based netherlands.
>>72326840
Abu Hajaar
>>72327352
Kek. Top reference.
>>72326840
>mfw watching the videos of US troops trying to train Iraq troops
They deserve everything they get, holy fuck
>>72326840
I don't think they are cowards, i think they are untrained idiots.
>>72326840
Arab countries are that kid who talks shit online but can't back it up
>>72326907
This is a really solid article. Good post, Finn bro.
>>72327437
He needs his own show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roROL5KdXlw
>>72326840
Simply?
More people are "fleeing" conflicts in Syria, than Isis has fighters. That's not so tough.
>>72326907
fpbp
>>72327889
I fucking died. Holy shit thats an epic meme
>>72326840
Arabs would be good as skirmishers and cannon fodder.
Send them to the front line with their tacbeer and snackbar then sweep up the mess using disciplined western/slav troops.
Where is OP?
Show yourself, moor.
>>72327148
explain me why a marine that rides a humvee in a convoy
is somehow more alpha than these irak soldiers who had fought with a gas mask in the iranian marshes
>>72329021
Thoee Iraqis were getting support from russia, usa, germany, france, qatar, jordan and more countries, yet they got fucked by Iranian nationalists just because arabs are weak faggots.
Iraqis to even used chemical weapons when iranians banned and condemned the use of chemical weapons.
>>72326840
Because they're all pussies that would rather flee to Europe for welfare
>>72327628
>>72327352
>>72329021
The Iraqis got fucked by a severely destabilized Iran. Stop trying to draw false equivalencies and adress the article posted by the finn at the start of the thread.
>>72329253
t. shiite
>>72329396
I study military history. The Iran Iraq war is one of the most interesting wars of modern times.
>t. Butthurt arab diaspora sucking merkel's welfare titties
>>72329396
>butthurt Arab
>German flag
Every time.
>>72326840
Well to start with, they didn't "surrender," they were slaughtered in the tens of thousands in two weeks because they were inferior soldiers of an inferior race.
On multiple occasions Marine tank units smashed numerically superior Iraqi armored units with superior defensive positions. At the time the USMC's tanks were actually outdated, and many of the Iraqi tanks were new Russian models anticipated to stand up to modern American MBTs.
The fact is the Iraqis were losers. They were ill-trained, ill-prepared and poorly led. We slaughtered them in the thousands because they were inferior. They died crying for their mothers because their fathers didn't teach them how to fight.
Abu Hajaar is the guy with the MG3, right?
I really don't understand why he's being yelled at
>boo hoo the hot casings are hitting me abu hajar pls stop
>the gun makes a loud noise abu think of my ears
what is he doing wrong again?
>>72329620
That clip didn't include the part where he nearly smokes his crew with RPG backblast. He's just a fuckup.
>>72329796
IIRC that wasn't abu, but the dude on the right (abu being on the left)?
>>72329897
Good point, it's possible.
>>72329502
why didnt iran use chemical weapons?
>>72326840
>Spain defending Arabs
Oh I am laffin
>>72330021
Unethical. Arabs are subhumans so they have no morals. The effects of chemical weapons last for generations as its transmitted from parents to their children
>>72330161
tell me more about the chemical part of that war
im genuninly interested
Because their troops consist of Abu
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jPTrS-7d14
>>72329616
Thats just the USMC bro. Throughout history they have always fucked an enemy up with way superior numbers and odds.
They always get the shittiest gear and lowest budget but make it up by being the most fearsome warriors of the 21st century.
>>72330299
Saddam bought it from some dutchfag I think. Can't really make long posts explaining things as I'm posting from my phone and I fucking hate touchscreen keyboards
>>72326840
Brave and smart isnt the same thing
>>72330582
Arabs are neither
>>72330472
> Throughout history they have always fucked an enemy up with way superior numbers and odds.
>They always get the shittiest gear and lowest budget but make it up by being the most fearsome warriors of the 21st century.
Are you talking about arabs or about usmc?
>>72330475
>Goes to the netherlands to leech welfare payed by dutch people
>Says dutchfag
Muslims, not even once.
>>72331291
Even Arabs with good Equipment don't stand a chance, just look at Saudi Arabia and their Houthis problem.
>>72330582
Arabs are not smart. They are cunning. The whole arab culture is based on "knowledge is power".
Arab regimes were built with the only function to preserve power. They are bearucratic hellholes, filed with contrasting jurisdictions and riddled with infighting (like nazi germany).
That is why when arabs states actually need to be efficient (warfare, for example) they get BTFO everytime.
Jordania is a small exception.
>>72331364
That is why i made the question.
>>72329396
...You got a problem with Shiites you ill-bred kraut moron?
Despite decades upon decades of foreign trainers trying to make something of their armies, they still fail to grasp even the most basic concepts of tactics.
>>72326907
Btfo by the first post.
Get back to Morocco ya swarthy bastard.
>>72331585
Its funny, because this just shows on a grand scale that even by buying a F1 car, you ain't a F1 driver.
>>72331362
What? Why can't dutchfags call themselves dutchfags? Are you new to 4chan? Everyone is a fag, even gayfags
>>72327628
They are not performing well under pressure because they are pussies.
Even a child knows how ironsights work.
They may suck at using them but they understand the concept.
>>72331291
The god damned USMC
>>72332272
Just get out of Europe you and your kebab brothers.
>>72329616
God bless the Marine corps. I'm enlisting and trying to get into LAR or become a tanker. Wish me luck fellow Americans.
73 Easting.
>>72326840
Europeans started two world wars and stood for some of the bloodiest battles in history. That's like childs play compared to past european fights.
What it shows is iraqs lack of development regarding their military. No doubt it would actually not take more than one random eurocountry with their cucked army to beat iraq, but today in the modern world we care about losses more than before and just want to invade without losing too much ourselves.
If the west had wanted iraq would be void of life with not even ruins left.
I don't think you realize how huge the power gap is.
>>72333552
Iraq would certainly fuck you up Sweden, we only won because we're the best and we have the Marines.
>>72333552
Swedish 'soldiers' would surrender en masse in a real war. You're country is 90% numales.
>>72333370
It's funny, a shitskin arab making me out to be some foreigner just because I know the truth about araba
>>72327148
Yep. The Iranians fought like madmen, they're real Persian warriors unlike their cowardly Arab shitskin counterparts to the west who haven't even a single time fought competently in a war. If Iran weren't completely outgunned the war would have been over in a few months. The fact that they were able to fight an 8 year long war and not lose any ground in the end against such a sizable and well-supported invading force is testament to their abilities to fight, and Arabs' general inability to fight.
I know this might be consider anecdotal evidence but from personal experience theymre absolutely shitty.
I had to train with the Saudi Army on my last deployment, had to be the biggest gagglefuck I've ever seen.
They were out of shape, undisciplined and had ZERO muzzle awareness. We'd run an Obstacle course in full combat load with them and the mofos would stop half way and smoke and joke saying they're taking a break. We ended up setting up their tents for them and shooting at the range with them was a hilarious and harrowing experience, these fuckin' hajis get brand new G36Cs literally out of the box.
These rifles have built in red dots in them and yet I would see a bunch of these fuckers aiming with the front sight post, like their eye looking right at the front sight post and their hand holding the pistol grip.
We almost had a brawl on our hands when some haji found a loose round, chambered it, and fired it into the dirt behind the firing line which prompted the RSOs to tackle his has and remove the weapon from his body.
Add the fact that some of them were probably ISIS operatives and we had a huge shitshow, we ended up holing up in our little FOB with a full combat load and rounds till the ship came back from fucking Jordan up.
In the other sode of the coin, I've heard the ANA can be pretty badass when they're not raping little boys or each other
>>72333322
So teel me one example in wich USMC fought agaisnt terrible odds and versus a superior enemy?
>>72326840
>why do people hold the "meme" of arabs being cowards at war?
No idea about war, but for small scale fights it's because people grew up around arabs and know that they are all bark and no bite.
They are fucking cowards who will run as soon as they don't outnumber you at least 5:1
>>72326840
Because the Iraqis folded like a wet paper towel against ISIS and let them make huge gains over the course of a couple of months.
>>72326840
Because "MERICA FUCK YEAH!"
>pushes a button
>wins the battle
>goes to the fridge getting a burguer and a beer
What happened in Vietnam?
>>72334258
korea
>>72326907
based funland
>>72334927
What battle?
And i don't think NK army was better equiped then usmc
>>72334258
Also Khe Sanh, marines with Old Hickory in New Orleans, Peking, Bloody Nose Ridge on Peleliu, Matinakau River on Guadalcanal, the last banzai charge on Saipan, Nasariyah where one Marine rescued an Amtrac full of marines by himself, numerous ocassions in Afghanistan from people I work with, Dakota Meyer.
>t. Marine
>>72326907
FPBP
>>72334773
>Iraq alpha as fuck
Isis.
>>72330356
that's fucking hilarious
>>72335780
Don't forget the battle of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal, where the great devil dog John Basilon repelled two Japanese divisions and prevented the airfield from being overrun.
>>72335780
You forgot Hagaru-ri.
>>72335780
There's also the instance in which Sgt. Major Daniel Daly single handedly killed 38 chinks in hand to hand combat during the Boxer Rebellion.
>>72335780
>japs
>superior equipment and numbers
By the time America joined the fight in the Pacific the Japanese were in a losing situation.
USMC could afford to take losses, the Japanese could not.
>>72336604
I'm going to haze myself for not mentioning the Legend.
>>72336625
The comment I Replied to mention Korea friend
And these are just the Marines we're talking about here
>>72335780
I dont think fighting agaisnt sword bearing chinks, barely trained and badly equiped 3rd world armies with overwhelming air superiority.
Heroic actions by one man does not make a effective fighting force
>Afganhistan, chinks, vietnamese, japs, iraqi
>better equiped and more numerous
It's true what they say, americans are brainwashed beyond saving
>>72336753
idk 4 carriers against 4 carriers with the zero being better than most. Anyway it was blind luck they followed that destroyer back to all 4 carriers.
>>72336957
Do you really think that the Viet Minh was purely served by the Viet Cong in that war?
Never heard of this "Arabs are cowards" meme
just one glance at ISIS and you see they are brave as all fuck but also retarded
>>72337182
I'm just being contrarian. However, if we look at it excluding strategic and theatre wide kind of stuff, as in how the US was going to win already due to material and population powers, you can get a better view on how able both sides were.
>>72337210
Soviet gear that was sent to viet was superior to American equipment?
Did the SU sent a highly effective airforce too?
Last time i checked, americans fought agaisnt a bunch of farmers with bad equipment, no airforce, almost isolated.
And americans didn't fought alone mate.
>>72336957
Japs weren't exactly a push over, they fought savagely and to the very fucking end, worthy enemy if I've ever heard of one.
As another anon has mention, Dan Daly took on and killed 38 chinks on hand to hand combat, at Chosin Reservoir we killed so many chinks they couldn't consider it a victory, we kicked the Germans out if Belleu Woods and even got a bitchin' nickname out of it, we kicked the brits with Old Hickory and pirates out of New Orleans with their tails between their legs just to fuck them up.
All the while we were using hand me down equipment and weapons from the Army, Im that one motivator who studies our history because its fucking badass
>>72337427
And we ended up killing approximately a million of them in comparison to our own fifty-eight thousand battle deaths. If you're going to criticise any military that was active during the Vietnam war, pick on the South Vietnamese ARVN, they're the ones who bore the brunt of allied casualties.
>>72336957
What's funny is that the US military regularly performs drills on nightmare scenarios on american bases, key cities, etc...and the general conclusion is that the greatest defense we have is the stupidity of our enemies.
It would be so easy to cause mass death and mayhem for America domestically and overseas. However, the people that want to do harm to America are always degenerate idiots that can barely figure out how to work an ak.
The most misinformed non-american filth always use the word "brainwashed". You foreigners can keep on trying to belittle America's victories, it's hilarious to read.
>>72337554
> they fought savagely
But not in a smart way. Banzai is stuid thing to do.
>Dan Daly took on and killed 38 chinks on hand to hand combat
Source? or just boasting? Anyone confirmed the kills?
Then you just say some minor battles, in wich the US never overcame huge odds. And then you proceed to name individual heroic actions, of wich every army is filled with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An%C3%ADbal_Milhais
One Portuguese peasent withheld several german divisions alone.
>>72326840
>t. Ahmed Mohammed
>>72337406
>more stuff wins wars meme
Also, the fight in the pacific was close as fuck. TheJaps could've turned the tide or have forced the US to back off.
>see pearl harbor
>see midway
>>72337696
>Muh k:d ratio
>However, the people that want to do harm to America are always degenerate idiots
WTC
>You foreigners can keep on trying to belittle America's victories
My point is that america never faced incredible odds and overcame them. They were always in advantage in war.
The only exception is the revolt agaisnt the British
>>72335485
They were outnumbered 10-1
>>72338519
>TheJaps could've turned the tide or have forced the US to back off.
wat nigga?
With what oil?
Do you even know what Pearl Harbor was?
Even the japs knew they couldn't win a prolonged war with the americans. Only some Imperial Navy madmans though they could
Being an arab fighter seems fun as shit, honestly.
>>72338568
In what battle?
With the chinese intervention?
Didn't the americans fleed with the tail stuck in their arses?
>>72326907
lol, no response to this from the dune-coon OP.
>>72338785
WHICH ROCKET DO YOU NEED?
>>72337554
Semper Fi bro, whats your MOS?
>>72338642
Battle of the Bulge
Please refute this
>>72326840
>irak surrendered to the usa because it was an overwhelming coalition formed by literally every country in the world but russia ,china and france
Lol "coalition of the willing" was not "every country in the world."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_–_Iraq
>>72331537
Jordan is only an exception because the current King is basically a westerner and isn't a fucking arab pride retard.
>>72338331
Listen you Arab retard, I'm sorry the USMC wasted your whole family in Iraq but we're a superior fighting force than anything else in the whole world you you just gotta deal with that.
>>72336846
Don't forget chesty bro.
>>72338859
The battle of the Chosin resevoir was a pyrrhic Chinese victory. The first Marine Division effectifely destroyed 6 out of 9 Chinese divisions so severely that the Chinese couldn't mount a subsequent offensive into South Korea, and were forced to return past the Yalu river in order to reform their strength.
>>72337427
The nva had a big ass air force, that's why our fighter bombers like the f-4 not having guns was such a big problem. Damn Europeans are retards.
>>72329620
He was probably some beta socially akward guy, so the others passed their frustration on him
Abu Abdullah (the fatass with the RPG) was much more of a fuck up
>>72338331
http://www.mcu.usmc.mil/historydivision/Pages/Who's%20Who/D-F/Daly_DJ.aspx
They gave him a medal of honor for it, the legend is that there was at least a hundred dead chinks when they found him
>>72338859
Chosin Reservoir, it was a chinese pyyrhic victory, hard to count it as a win considering they lost entire divisions to a couple battalion of Marines with almost zero support and fighting in subzero temperatures IIRC
>>72338529
You're fucking retarded. Nasiriyah and al kut were both shit storms that the USMC over came by pure skill.
>>72326840
Arabs are masters of disguise, deception and rely on the element of surprise (sort of like the Jews before they had Israel).
Despite being heavily collectivist in culture, power and stature are extremely individualistic and geopolitics have led individuals wielding such power to grasp to these attributes as tightly as they can. This means that they are also highly fearful of seeming incompetent and stupid, because if that is revealed to their counterparts then the individual will internalize it and think it defines him.
>>72339035
1833, keeping the Marine Corps amphibious
>>72337427
NVA forces were the primary enemy and were a regular army trained by soviets. Ever heard of Operation Rolling Thunder? The USSR sent its best radar guided AA guns and SAMs which accounted for the tremendous air losses the US suffered. The presence as well by china is what hamstringed the us forces mentally, by that i meant they restricted some of their ROE based on the possible threat. One of the big reasons why there were no counter offensives into the North. Air force didnt matter when they had very sophisticated AA and tactics to employ them.
>>72339046
That was the army
>>72339513
I'm about to go into LAR so we're like bros now
>>72339739
>LAR
You guys are alright, you're still a crunchie though
>>72334209
Went I went to the Captain's Career Course (formerly known as the Officer's Advanced Course) we had a dozen different foreign officers from our Arab allies.
Every single one was a piece of shit. All of them were fat and lazy. None of them could complete a two mile run to standard. They didn't have computers so they were allowed to use the desktops in the classrooms. That lasted about a month until all the computers crashed due to the massive amount of porn that had been downloaded to them.
The worst Arab officers in class: Jordanian
The best Arab officer in the class: Bangladeshi
>not even lying
>>72339046
>Battle of the Bulge
Well, calling a depleted werchmacht fighting a desperate war in a secondary front vs a numerically superior army, with air superiority is hardly overcamming "impossible"odds. Ardenes offensive is only a thing because it was lucky in the beggining.
>>72339133
Of course.
>>72339174
Portuguese all the way bro.
>we're a superior fighting force than anything else in the whole world
Because you only fight wars vs 3rd world shitholes, and the only adversaries worth to be fought, you guys wait until they are depleted and jump in.
>>72339302
It's a little hard to call a chinese army a superior army, especially that close after the revolution.
It's still a nice battle.
>>72339364
>The nva had a big ass air force
Source?
>>72339382
> legend is that there was at least a hundred dead chinks when they found him
>legend
So does he have any confirmed kills?
>>72339466
Vs a ragtag army with ak.
Meanwhile usmc had top notch equipment, training, logistics, air superiority...
>>72339597
So napalm dropped by itself?
>>72329355
You know it wasn't Abu Hajaar saying "no" right? it was Abu Abdullah, when Abu Hajaar COVERED him in casings
>>72326907
>Moroccan shitstain gets btfo by facts
>ignores it
typical
>>72340296
38 kills is the number.
Honestly I got no problem with you being proud of your country hombre but you shit on mine and my branch so now I got to be a dick
>>72338529
>WTC
It's been 15 years, sand niggers got lucky.
>My point is that america never faced incredible odds and overcame them.
You are an example of another foreigner that bases their beliefs on click bait. America's success is too boring to you, its failures are what interest you.
>They were always in advantage in war.
No...just no. What does an "advantage" even mean in this context? Do you know what it means? Or is it just another liberal meme word you like to say when talking about America BTFO countries in war?
>>72338642
>With what oil?
The low energy, low iq, american hating degenerate says words that he does not understand.
The Philippines (US owned at the time) were where the Japs were getting their oil from, the US decided to not give the Japs any more oil. However, the Japs knew they could take the Philippines, but that would result in American retaliation. Pearl Harbor was a pre-emptive strike to cripple the US in the Pacific so the Japs could rape and plunder the Pacific no problem.
>Even the japs knew they couldn't win a prolonged war with the americans. Only some Imperial Navy madmans though they could
The Japs had lots of chances to turn the war around. Pearl Harbor, Midway, advancing their aerospace tech, or at least secured their encrypted radio communications (it was absolute shit compared to the germans), ya they could've turned the tide. They were just too stupid to realize it.
That last part was the most important thing, the US could listen in on EVERYTHING the Japs were doing from 1941 onwards (post pearl harbor). Even with that in mind, the US navy had a rough time beating the jap fleets.
It's cute that you see America as all powerful and that everyone it BTFO had no chance. When in reality, the odds were close as fuck (WW2 was close as fuck believe it or not) and A LOT could've gone terribly wrong.
>>72326840
Arabs have the worst military history of any large race on the planet, 2nd perhaps only to Sub-Saharan Africans. Arabs and their forebears were conquered by the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Mongols, Turks, British, and French. They lose to JEWS, over and over again, spectacularly and humiliatingly, even when a dozen countries attack them at once. Look at the hugely successful Islamic invasion of the Iberian Peninsula, Southern Italy, and the Balkans and beyond up to the gates of Vienna- ALL Turk and North Africans. No Arabs.
The only people on the face of the earth that Arabs can defeat at war are other Arabs.
>>72338529
>They were always in advantage in war.
If you allow yourself to start day 1 of a war without having the advantage, you've already fucked up.
>>72326840
Who would win: hundreds of millions of Arabs vs a few million Jews?
>>72340664
>It's been 15 years, sand niggers got lucky.
You know that big fuss about the 28 pages you lot made over in america recently? The media was going on and on about "saudi arabia, saudi arabia, saudi arabia, it might be saudi arabia" over and over again.
Well here's the funny thing dude, that's already confirmed. That much we already KNOW from the report. The full report was about 100 pages long and mentions saudi arabia being involved numerous times.
So if the 28 pages isn't covering the saudis asses (they were already exposed on day 1) then who else could it be covering for hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Lots of talk of "allies in the middle east" betraying the US in the report and 28 pages of it was so sensitive it had to be redacted?
Gee well shucks, I'm all out of ideas, you got any?
>>72334367
What happened in vietnam is we pulled out to prevent nuclear war faggot
>>72340296
>Well, calling a depleted werchmacht fighting a desperate war in a secondary front vs a numerically superior army, with air superiority is hardly overcamming "impossible"odds. Ardenes offensive is only a thing because it was lucky in the beggining.
You know, believe it or not ackmed, America had a pretty big problem getting supplies to its troops in western europe. And for most of the battle of the bulge, the germans had aircraft support, the allies didn't.
It was pretty close. The wermacht really could've BTFO the western allies right then and there.
>Because you only fight wars vs 3rd world shitholes, and the only adversaries worth to be fought, you guys wait until they are depleted and jump in.
Think of it this way ackmed, can you think of a single adversary that would be a "fair" fight? Let alone a challenge for America?
>Meanwhile usmc had top notch equipment, training, logistics, air superiority...
>had top notch training
Good ackmed, you are learning.
Training you see is the most important part of why the US can BTFO shit skins no problem. Training is what lets you use your equipment, air superiority, logistics, etc... things too complicated for sand people to use, let alone make themselves.
>>72340572
I am just stating a fact. USA never faced incredible odds and overcame them, in the military sense.
>38 kills is the number.
Who said it? Chinese sources? Comrades that were with him?
Or 38 is a number he himself came up with?
>>72340664
>It's been 15 years, sand niggers got lucky.
>Hijacking planes
>Driving them in the hearth of your country
>lucky
>America's success is too boring to you
Show me them. That is all i am asking.
So far the only one worth to be remebered was the Chosin reservoir one. The rest were just publicity stunts and individual heroic actions
>advantage" even mean in this context
What does advantage mean in war? are you a retard?
>about America BTFO countries in war
Depleted countries and 3rd world shitholes
>The low energy, low iq, american hating degenerate says words that he does not understand.
Japan didn't had a source of oil. At least a good one.
>The Philippines (US owned at the time) were where the Japs were getting their oil from
You mean dutch Indies?
>The Japs had lots of chances to turn the war around.
Not really. It's not like US would sue for peace if they lost Midway. It was a losing war the moment USA didn't sued for peace after pearl Harbor
>It's cute that you see America as all powerful and that everyone it BTFO had no chance.
They were more powerfull then Japs. And japs were fighting in multiple fronts, some of them a desperate war.
>When in reality, the odds were close as fuck (WW2 was close as fuck believe it or not)
You know nothing about ww2, then.
>A LOT could've gone terribly wrong.
Your point?
>>72341615
It's complicated, the US always knew that there were people within the Saudi Royals that helped with 9/11. The problem is how high up did it go? Even if you confront them with hard proof, they will most likely not do anything about it.
Most royal sand niggers don't want to alloha snackbar, they want to drive western cars, wear our clothes, fuck our women, spend money on western things...
>>72340284
Makes sense because Bangladeshis are not arabs
>>72341539
>vs a few million Jews with the most powerful country in the World backing them
FTFY, retard.
>>72341235
>Arabs have the worst military history of any large race on the planet
>History starts in 1776
Arabs were good in something. And that is war. Arabs where BTFO Christians in the middle ages.
Only after renaissance did the tides turn
>>72341401
It's easy to talk when you don't have powerfull neighboors.
My country was dragged to wars.
>>72341717
> America had a pretty big problem getting supplies to its troops in western europe.
I know. But they had a better position then Germans.
> And for most of the battle of the bulge, the germans had aircraft support
The early days. After Allies regained air superiority
>It was pretty close.
Even if the germans won, they would only delay. There was no way to stop SU.
>Think of it this way ackmed, can you think of a single adversary that would be a "fair" fight? Let alone a challenge for America?
SU. And you guys were scared shitless of them.
>shit skins no problem.
Except on vietnam, lol
>>72326840
They don´t have military tradition like others (Persian, Sikh, Gurkha, Europeans, etc.), neither do they have the organization and structure to nullify that shortcoming.
They don´t implement a system of merit in their ranks. Officers become officers because they know the right people. While the smart and motivated are filtered out, because they are a burden to those incompetent officers.
There is a reason Saudi-Arabia has to use Pakistani, Columbians and other mercenaries to fight their battles.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hundreds-columbian-mercenaries-fight-saudi-led-coalition-yemen-964433925
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/07/2011725145048574888.html
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/04/17/pakistans-yemen-dilemma/
>>72326840
This is how a typical Arab country works. The royal or ultra rich elite have absolute sole power. They appoint their brothers and cousins and friends to all military and police executive positions who have no business being there, then they either hire desert mercenaries like Houthis and Bedouins to be their soldiers or they conscript political opposition and force them to be disposable soldiers.
The Syrian army is the sole exception they actually stood their ground even when Assad sold them out, like letting those northern bases dry up with supplies and get overrun with derkas.
Take a look at the Kuwaiti or Saudi military sometime, it's a total joke. Now look at the Omani, Iranian or Lebanese army they're at least competent and promoted by merit not nepotism.
>>72342004
I guess you missed my hint at Israel then.
>>72340664
>Even the japs knew they couldn't win a prolonged war with the americans. Only some Imperial Navy madmans though they could
He is right about this. I don't think Japan ever really thought of an unconditioned surrender merely that they could keep the U.S. from foiling their plans in Asia.
Our Spaniard friend here doesnt seem to understand that the japs were entrenched, and had much more combat experience. (in the early years) Their training and skills were anything special they were experienced and disciplined soldiers.
>>72342554
Arabs don't have NCO, the backbone of any army. They view conscripts as cannon fodder and barely human
>>72340284
>The worst Arab officers in class: Jordanian
As someone who has extensive experience with the JAF I can confirm
Jordan a shit.
>>72337339
>chopping heads off civilians/POWs and collecting sex slaves
>brave
ISIS is a joke as are their islamic 'soldiers'. All they have done is overtake miles of desert as iraqi cowards retreated. They outnumbered the kurds at kobane and were utterly destroyed. Their offensives sputter out because their men are used to smash and grab warfare. They are completely hollow, and if the west put their mind to it these rats could be extinguished with the effort it takes to eliminate a gnat.
>>72342749
>Our Spaniard friend here doesnt seem to understand that the japs were entrenched,
Fortifications are null with modern artillery.
>and had much more combat experience.
True, yet they had inferior equipment and wrong battle doctrines (stuff like banzai charges were not very uncommon). They also had inferior tanks. Americans were just better overall in the war.
>>72340284
Bangladeshi are not arabs
>>72341986
>>72341986
38 was the number for his hand to hand kills, no way to confirm it, we know he called even more with his rifle.
Conservatively speaking, he was attacked by wave after wave of chinese rebels and snipers for an entire day straight. It would probably put it in the hundreds considering his position was littered with bodies according the unit that relieved him from his post, it was enough for him to win a Medal of Honor for it as a Private.
One Marine Rifleman vs a horde of chinese boxers and snipers, not a very even fight.
>>72341986
Yes ackmed it was luck. If you knew the history behind US law enforcement and intelligence agencies you would know how unorganized it was. It was every agency for itself to catch the bad guys, cooperation between agencies for investigations were minimal.
Hell proof of this is how open we STILL ARE to another major attack and sand niggers still haven't figured out a way to attack us.
>What does advantage mean in war? are you a retard?
guns, numbers, leadership, economy, geography, are you attacking/defending, etc,etc,etc
Sorry details are too big for your non-american mind to understand ackmed.
>So far the only one worth to be remebered was the Chosin reservoir one. The rest were just publicity stunts and individual heroic actions
Too many to list, Chosin reservoir is one of many BTFO moments by America.
>You mean dutch Indies?
>Japan didn't had a source of oil. At least a good one.
You could google this you know.
>Not really. It's not like US would sue for peace if they lost Midway. It was a losing war the moment USA didn't sued for peace after pearl Harbor
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
memetic history at its finest
>They were more powerfull then Japs. And japs were fighting in multiple fronts, some of them a desperate war.
The front that counted was in the ocean, the ground war in China meant nothing to the one being fought in water. You would know this if you ever looked at a map of the pacific.
>You know nothing about ww2, then.
No I do actually. The fact that you say
"Your point?"
in response to "A LOT could've gone terribly wrong."
Shows you are very misinformed about how complex and close WW2 actually was you degenerate foreigner.
>>72343107
Only reason Kurds outlasted at Kobane was Turkey opening borders and Coalition airstrikes & air drops
>>72343107
>ISIS is a joke as are their islamic 'soldiers'.
No, not exactly. yes, they are still bad to western standards, but to local standards, they are highly effective, with a huge network of support, loyal and commited troops. A force to beckon. Syria was getting BTFO before russians intervene.
>>72343234
Don't care. Individual heroic actions are merely propaganda tools. The story may be real or completely manufactured, i don't care.
But you can't base the effectiveness of armed forces by individual heroic action, i say again.
>>72343264
Ahmed, you mean. The "H" reads as "ck" in arab iirc.
>If you knew the history behind US law enforcement and intelligence agencies you would know how unorganized it was. It was every agency for itself to catch the bad guys, cooperation between agencies for investigations were minimal.
So you are telling me agencies knew about this but didn't do enough to stop it? Hm, it seems like arabs
>guns, numbers, leadership, economy, geography, are you attacking/defending, etc,etc,etc
And america had almost every single one of this in her side everytime it went to war.
>Too many to list, Chosin reservoir is one of many BTFO moments by America.
Give me 2 more better the chosin. It shouldn'0t be too hard. I can name 10 or 20 battle in wich the Portuguese BTFO superior enemies (Spain, Castille, Napoleon, Ottomans...)
>You could google this you know.
I did. Dutch west Indies wa the only oil rich place in the area
>memetic history at its finest
Whatis wrong?
>The front that counted was in the ocean, the ground war in China meant nothing to the one being fought in water.
Diverting troops, investment, oil, industrial capacity, air force, navy...
>It counts for nothing
>and close WW2
WW2 was never close. The only time it was somewhat desperate for the allies was shortly after the fall of France.
>>72334240
Look up the vice documentary called this is what winning looks like. It's actually pretty based and shows this one ANA captain that kicks major ass. He had one of the few if not the only disciplined afghan company in the country
>>72340284
Jordan, Morocco, Eritrea, Algeria, Kuwait, Qatar, Iraq, Emirates, and Egypt all are nepotism appointed commanders, Jordan is the worst with Royal family members being handed jobs like General with no experience whatsoever.
Egypt has got a little better over the years and since the "revolution" has cleared out a lot of nepotism from the ranks and attempted to become professional but is still rife with patronage appointments to command hierarchy.
Eritrea literally has the world's most terrifying Army where you are conscripted for life, and regularly tortured on the whim of commanders for slightest infractions. Imagine serving 30 years, unpaid, living in slave like conditions. Every single one of those guys will defect should shit hit the fan.
>>72326840
Cowardice is coded into their culture. Their 'leaders' simply dominate over their subjects and lose all of their loyalty for power. This shows on the battlefield, and in the current migrant crysis. Arabs won't fight for their own kind, because they abuse their own.
It's mongraloid, and historically has become Europe's problem..
>>72342260
The Israeli's BTFO of sand nigger countries is proof that the people that fight are more important than what they fight with.
>forgetting the Soviets that backed the sand niggers (and at in the 50s-60s Soviet weapons were as good if not better than us weapons)
>>72342518
But we won Vietnam
>>72340296
You can literally Google North Vietnam airforce they had a bunch of MIG-17/19/21s that Russia gave them. They had a lot of air power.
>>72345937
No, you guys just got lucky and vastly underestimated the nationalism factor in Vietnam communist party. In the end Vietnam didn't completely align with "communist" powerhouses. They had a war with China a few years later.
Politically, yes, america won. But militarilly, it was a utter defeat.
>>72346006
How many american airplanes were shoot down? How many airports did Viet had? Did the vietcongs even had skilled pilots?
>>72343645
Doesn't help that ISIS has no idea what it's doing
https://youtu.be/CpECBZftCEA here's them driving a tank willy nilly in Kobane while YPG surround it and blow it the fuck out
They also held out a long time before coalition air strikes ever showed showed up, though Turkey helped by opening borders
>>72346614
It wasn't the Viet Cong dumb ass. The Viet Cong were the insurgent para military in the South, North Vietnam had a regular army (that we fought and fucked up despite the odds on many occasions, see the siege of khe sahn) and the nva had some modern planes and some pretty good pilots.
>>72346614
We won militarily too, the object of vietnam, and all other guerilla wars we fought in, was to kill a lot of insurgents, not hang onto territory. And we killed a lot of fucking congs.
>>72346935
>It wasn't the Viet Cong dumb ass.
You are right
> nva had some modern planes and some pretty good pilots
Useless agaisnt the might of USA airforce. Literally +peanuts
>>72344143
At least you admit your sand people breatheren are a joke compared to the west.
>us had nothing in the Philippines
If you knew what the Paris treaty was you wouldn't have to use Google.
>wah wah wah someone did something brave it must be fake!
Can you imagine a war where there were no notable acts of bravery?
>Implying agencies knew the big picture
It was Arabs and they got lucky ackmed. Fun fact, these agencies have to deal with information on threats every single day, and they are almost always false alarms. When it isn't a false alarm but they treat it as such, 9/11 happens.
fbi cia atf etc etc all knew different bits of information about the sand niggers. Agenecies had no need for active cooperation with one another because an attack like 9/11 hadnt happened yet
>>72347316
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War
The mig-21 interceptor was a small, nimble, Delta wing fight. Our main fighter of the day was the f-4 phantom which was big as shit, had a terrible turn radius, and had no cannons because the people who designed it though all air engagements past the 1950s would be entirely missile based. So the odds were pretty stacked against us.
>>72342518
SU ? You talking about the plane?
>>72346935
>some modern planes and some pretty good pilots.
Planes of the NVA were already obsolete and severely outmatched. If the Rules of Engagement didn't specify that visual contact and confirmation of the enemy had to be made before a missile could be fired. Missiles were designed to be fired from much further away, so the pilots had to close and engage in dogfighting which we were not generally equipped for. Basically we forced a pilots to a take something that is designed to be custom built dragster and put it in a "drift" match or mountain race against an old hand me down Camry.
Rumor has it they also had pilots from other countries as "volunteers".
>>72346614
>Politically, yes, america won. But militarilly, it was a utter defeat.
other way way bro, we won all the battles but lost the war.
>>72348471
The mig-21 was not obsolete and not really outmatched considering it was an interceptor going up against formations of mostly all big ass fighter-bombers.
>>72326840
because all of the competent ones joined ISIS
>>72344143
>Ahmed, you mean. The "H" reads as "ck" in arab iirc.
We don't care how you spell your name.
>And america had almost every single one of this in her side everytime it went to war.
>Give me 2 more better the chosin. It shouldn'0t be too hard. I can name 10 or 20 battle in wich the Portuguese BTFO superior enemies (Spain, Castille, Napoleon, Ottomans...)
citation needed
seriously I'm just gonna stop feeding (You).
>>72348843
thread
>>72326840
You have to go back Abdul.
>>72326840
Iraqi soldiers fought because Saddam had a gun to their head and even then they were inept, lazy and cowardly.
>>72348752
>The mig-21
my bad I had the perception that they had almost exclusively mig-17s... I do know they could on the mig-17 maneuverability capitalize because they could capitalize the limitations of aircraft deigned super-cruise, or maybe its just mentioned more..
Fuck shitty Discovery channel documentaries that warp my perceptions.
>>72339513
Dickens?
>>72326840
Arabs are good at war.
They colonized almost all of the american continent, Philippines and Equatorial Guinea.
Be proud, Abderramán.
>>72347037
>We won militarily too
No, South Vietnam was overun in the end. You left the war in a way that left North vietnam powerfull enough to swallow South Vietnam.
>>72348752
>>72347733
This... i knew i wasn't just pulling it out my ass I heard that shit somewhere... Thanks for clarifications
>>72347711
>At least you admit your sand people breatheren are a joke compared to the west.
Arabs, yes. But my bretheren, Mediterraneans, are a different breed. Berbers are not easy to defeat.
>>us had nothing in the Philippines
Where did i imply this?
>wah wah wah someone did something brave it must be fake!
Individual heroic actions are often blown out od proportion for propaganda nad nationalistic reasons, and romanticized in later generations. It's not a new concept. Every country did that, and my is a expert at it.
>Can you imagine a war where there were no notable acts of bravery?
Yes. All of them.
>>72347733
I read that article. It said that the vast majority of US downed planes was due to AAA. You make it seem like there was a actual battle fr air superiority in Vietnam.
>>72348063
SOviet Union. Sorry for not making it explicit
>>72348535
> but lost the war.
My point exactly. A rebellion wins if it's not utterly defeated. The rebellion survived, ergo America lost the war. In the end it turn out it wasn0t a political defeat, either by american machinations, calculations, or by luck.
>>72350191
We are not arabs. At most you could meme we are berbers, since the only real population transfer drom north africa was by berber tribes.
>>72351848
I never refered to Portugal, Alberto.
>>72352130
Spain and Portugal is what you meant bro.
And literally no one looks like that in here
>>72341986
What has your country done ?
>>72351548
Yeah tripple a took out a lot of choppers but most fixed wing aircraft were taken out by SAMs or migs.
>>72352427
I will list a few battles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aljubarrota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Valverde_(1385)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atoleiros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ourique (this one is mythical)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Lines_of_Elvas
I can't list the rest becaue i have to go. In about half a hour i can name a few more if you want
>>72353171
So your country has essentially done nothing important in the past 500 years?
Why do you criticize Americans when your country hasn't even contributed anything worthwhile to the modern world?
Amphibious beach landings are considered the most extreme and complex operations in modern warfare yet the only country to really attempt and perfect them have been the Americans.
Go ahead and cherry pick but I don't see another country that has done what the Americans have done in the past 100 years
Sun Tzu would approve of the Americans.
Your trolling was pretty good
>>72352544
>The VPAF (NVAF) did not engage all US sorties. Most US aircraft were destroyed by SA-2 surface-to-air missiles or anti-aircraft artillery (AAA), and in some cases, even small arms. Typically, VPAF MiGs would not engage unless it was to their advantage. Some of the aerial tactics used were similar to Operation Bolo, which lured the NVAF to the fight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People%27s_Air_Force#1964.E2.80.9374_.28North_Vietnam.29
>>72354766
>So your country has essentially done nothing important in the past 500 years?
The last is in Napoleon epoch.
>Why do you criticize Americans
Where did i criticize americans? So by not furiously sucking americans cocks i am critizicing them?
I am simply pointin g out the fact that america never engaged a enemy without having almost sure they would win. USA wars were fought almost always with USA superiority (The only exception is independece war, wich nobody mentioned here).
>Amphibious beach landings are considered the most extreme and complex operations in modern warfare yet the only country to really attempt and perfect them have been the Americans.
In modern warfare, yes, but they are not the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_warfare#Origins
>Go ahead and cherry pick but I don't see another country that has done what the Americans have done in the past 100 years
What have the americans done?
