What is it about communism that is so attractive to college students?
Because hardline gommunism is all about fighting "the man" - and who doesn't like that in their 20s?
That said, the average college communist has the political intelligence of someone voting nader every election.
>>72309574
kids like free stuff, nay, kids expect free stuff
>>72309574
>Promise of free shit
>Sense of importance "fighting the man"
>College kids are desperate to be unique
>>72309574
It's appealing for the same reason that smoking appeals to people.
If offers an interesting aesthetic.
>>72309574
>>72309663
>SPBP
>>72309761
>rage comics
>in the year of our lord in heaven 2 0 1 6
what the fuck is wrong with facebook normies? The grainy quality is really odd as well.
>>72309574
Kids are utopian. There are almost no communists with life experience.
>>72309886
Really though, why do facebook images ALWAYS look like this? It's like some nigger couldn't even take the time to save an image properly.
also
>Russian tank
>>72309761
>>72309574
They falling for populist bullshit. In socialism it is the government and politicians who will have all the money, instead of businessmen. So instead of people who took great risk and produced numerous jobs for everyone, they will give all the money to corrupt politicians which had a good election speech.
They are practically, easily impressionable teens, who don't understand yet, that everything is life has a cost, and that nothing is free or should be given to them for free. They are the results of a terrible upbringing, in which they received everything for free from their parents, and were never taught to earn their rewards. Socialist politicians know this, and they are promising them a continued life in the same style, even though it will not last long, while in the meantime the country will be completely destroyed, because all the money will be used up by people who don't produce anything of value that can generate more money.
>>72309574
It's an extension of the parental care and authority they now have to do without.
Karl Marx was a genius, and only one of the few brave men red pilled enough to point out the flaws of capitalism accurately. Communists don't actually want a complete communists society, they just want communistic ideas implemented into the economy that have been shown to work. Of course, I am a Socialist not a communist, so you'd to have to ask one of them.
Proletarier aller Länder vereinigt Euch!
All hail Communism!
Victory to the Proletarians!
>>72309953
Because they're saved and reposted and saved again dozens or hundreds of times
>>72311027
We do the same thing here.
How can normies fuck up such a simple task so easily?
>>72309574
great way to misrepresent communism by associating it with college students as if no one older can believe in it, the same as "when you grow up you'll believe in what I believe and you will stop believing in what you believe now"
complete misrepresentation without even addressing the philosophy of Marx, Das Kapital, or even dialectic materialism.
In short, you're a faggot who doesn't know shit.
>>72311737
> Communism works guys, trust me. Even though it's as unnatural to humans as trying not to breathe.
Sure thing anon. Let's all give up on our individual rights and aspirations, and join a herd mentality so we can be the slaves of greedy politicians who got to power through carefully prepared speeches where they lied to lazy people about how they are just as valuable as a person who worked and studied hard in order to meaningfully contribute to society.
>>72312395
how can you stick your hand in the cookie jar so easily? god damn you're stupid. his point is that you don't understand what you're talking about and you've all but admitted it with that reply. he hasn't said a single word in favor of communism
>>72309761
>corporate subsidies
When did voters ever agree with that? Most people atleast dislike that regardless of who they're voting for.
>>72309574
Because Marx is right in theory.
But things work out differently in practice, and since college students have yet to experience any of that they still believe in his theories.
>>72312481
> implying this hard I don't know what communism is
> fails to check flag
It is true when they say that the only cure for communism is getting infected by it so that you can get immunity. Looks like it's time for the west to get infected. Enjoy your ride. It surely be an interesting one. Also, your children will hate you for eternity.
>>72312481
It's literally 'you dont know real gommunism the post'
Go back to your bull, Karl. You are tired
>>72309574
normal communism as it existed wasn't that different from any other system that existed at the time, except for less freedoms generally
However, they may like Maoism because that was just chaos and revolutions on top of revolutions. I can see how that might be appealing
>Control of your own future by virtue of control of the means of production and a democratic society
>Not in danger of homelessness and starvation
>Not going to die in an imperialist war
Communism, frankly, is the tits.
The bigger question is why the far right is so attractive to specifically white male college students.
I'm at a political debate now between a labour mp and green mp. The room is filled with women, there's two dudes here. The whole debate is basically them trying to out-FREE SHIT DUDE each other.
I'm filled with disgust
>>72309574
It appeals to naive youths who are obsessed with muh egalité
>>72312852
>Control your own future
>Democratic society
Pick one and only one famalamadingdong
>>72312963
That is the entire point of communism, m8.
Democracy is the whole Marxist mission statement.
>>72313002
Except for people who vote against communism.
Like what happened in every ex-Communist country once they were no longer single party states.
>>72312395
> Let's all give up on our individual rights and aspirations, and join a herd mentality so we can be the slaves of greedy politicians who got to power through carefully prepared speeches where they lied to lazy people about how they are just as valuable as a person who worked and studied hard in order to meaningfully contribute to society.
You literally just proved that you don't understand a single thing about marxism. That drivel you just wrote is something called the capitalistic narrative, or the narrative that the ruling class pushes onto the oppressed class in order to keep them oppressed. That's how the system survives. Because if you looked at the real numbers and you weren't as delusional as you are now you would know just how oppressed you really are. You won't ever be a millionaire, a rock star, a famous actor. You won't ever have any degree of influence upon this world. You are just fodder for the right just like those strawman college students are fodder for the left. You are all fodder just on the opposite sides.
>>72309574
Because they are all "anti racists" and commies supposedly defeated the evil boy Hitler.
Also communism is about sharing.
>>72313059
>Butthurt eastern Europeans vote for liberals just to spite Russia.
>Get colonized by Muslims not even 30 years later.
Of course.
>>72313002
And that's why it's retarded. Democracy isn't the object, it's the means to achieve the object.
For example, voting on if everyone should have healthcare and deciding that everyone has a right to healthcare both have the same OBJECT, they just have different MEANS.
What tends to happen is that Marxists define democracy in such a way that if it does not result in communism, the object, it's not real democracy.
>>72313233
Are you going to respond to the substance of my statement?
>>72312643
>Because Marx is right in theory
>predicted proletariat revolutions in developed countries
nope
>predicted benevolent dictatorship leading to an anarchist, rural, stateless world
nope
>predicted the communist movement achieving its goals within 100 years
nope
Kids and people that didn't grow up.
>>72313002
DIE KIKE YOU MUST BE GASSED SHITSKIN
>>72313244
Democracy is an object in itself by the same measure that public healthcare is an object rather than a means to not die. It on its own measure is a desireable goal.
>>72313370
But why? I always see democracy touted as being good because it reflects the will of the people. So again, it's just the means to the object, reflecting the will of the people.
>>72313298
>predicted benevolent dictatorship leading to an anarchist, rural, stateless world
>predicted the communist movement achieving its goals within 100 years
He did not predict either of those things.
>>72313359
>dah joos
Rosa was absolutely based you reactionary stooge.
>>72313474
Properly reflecting the will of the people is itself totally inalienable from democracy, this is the thing. Democracy isn't a means to the will of the people, it simply is the will of the people.
Socialism = workers’ state
The Workers’ State, Thermidor and Bonapartism (February 1935)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1935/02/ws-therm-bon.htm
>>72313477
>He did not predict either of those things
Yes he did you subhuman shitskin. He predicted that the state will "wither out" and there will be a transition to stateless classless moneyless communism
>predicted the communist movement achieving its goals within 100 years
Global revolution was immenent according to both Marx(jew) and Lenin(jew)
>Rosa was absolutely based you reactionary stooge.
Rosa Luxemburgh was a rat faced kike cockroach that was executed by patriotic Germans like all kikes should
>dah joos
Die kike you are an abomination. Go back to lefty/pol/ you subhuman shitskin your shilling is pathetic.
>>72309574
FREESHIT
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>>72313548
>>72313477
>>72313370
>>72313233
>>72313002
>>72312852
Oh look the autistic lefty/pol/ kike shill is sperging out again
Kike loving bluepilled shitskin you must be gassed for supporting and enabling White genocide subhuman useful idiot
KEK
If communists are so pro-workers rights why did they crush so many of the labor uprisings that took place under their own system?
>>72313741
>anyone presenting a different opinion than mine is a shill
>I don't understand basics of marxist theory
>I have never read a book in my life
>>72313548
Democracy is the will of the people if the will of the people is also the will of the majority
>>72313659
That's true, but what he didn't predict or endorse was benevolent dictatorship.
>Global revolution was immenent according to both Marx(jew) and Lenin(jew)
And they were right to an extent, communist revolutions have been happening more or less constantly somewhere in the world for about 100 years now.
But what Marx didn't say was that the world would be communist by now.
>Rosa Luxemburgh was a rat faced kike cockroach that was executed by patriotic Germans like all kikes should
The funny thing is she was assassinated on the orders of Social Democrats, who are exactly the kind of people like Bernie that /pol/ bitches about so much. The Freikorps were just hired guns for the highest bidder.
But there's one more thing. Anti-semites seem to have this mad idea that communism is bad because it's Jewish, and Jews are bad because they're communists. Yet still somehow expect you to see the logic in this even if you don't accept the premise that communism or Jews are bad.
Children are naive. Naivety breeds utopianism. I was an utopian too when I was a kid. Then the real world came in with a wake up call.
>>72313869
Yes, that's the best you can get.
You can't have a society of atomized individuals where everyone gets exactly what they want.
>>72313981
the "real world" meme
>>72313981
>marxism is utopian
you have never read anything about marxism, have you?
>>72309574
Because the opposite end leaves you with shit like the TPP
>>72313084
You literally just proved that you don't understand a single thing about CAPITALISM. That drivel you just wrote is something called the SOCIALIST narrative, or the narrative that the POLITICAL class pushes onto the oppressed class in order to keep them oppressed. That's how the system survives. Because if you looked at the real numbers and you weren't as delusional as you are now you would know just how oppressed you really are. You won't ever be a millionaire, a rock star, a famous actor. You won't ever have any degree of influence upon this world.
Capitalism shouldn't even have a name. Because it's natural. It has been this way since the time of the formation of the simplest tribes. Socialism is the delusional idea that people aren't lazy, and are not entirely to blame for their own mistakes in life. Instead, socialists politicians use human envy to pit the poor class against the middle/upper class so that they can force the middle/upper class to give up all the wealth that they naturally and morally obtained through hard work (which includes studying - something that the poor class does not understand). That wealth is to be given to the government in order to make the politicians (which never worked a day in their entire life) the richest humans on earth. People should have money according to their skill set, not according to how good their political speeches are. Politicians want nothing more than to have all the money that the people produce, to pass through their hands. And they love paying an engineers who's work is one million times better than a burger flipper, the same amount of money as the burger flipper. The rest of the money generated by the engineer goes to gigantic palaces and extravagant lifestyle. All of this without doing any work, and killing anyone who dares to even speak about it.
>>72313981
>implying that the belief in capitalism being the end all, be all, for humanity isn't more Utopian than the suggestion of change.
>>72314175
>Capitalism is natural
>Even though I come from a desolate shithole where people live in sewers addicted to glue I think if I pull myself up by my bootstraps I too can oppress the poor
The thing is private property is a total spook. And just like it has existed since the dawn of man - so has slavery. There was a time when it seemed just as natural to own another human being as it seems now to own diamond mines thousands of miles away.
But fortunately socialism, comes in with a glorious solution to this injustice. Rather than letting wealth flow upwards and calcify in the hands of an elite few the world would be a lot better were the means of production not to be privately owned but to be run democratically by the workers. People could get equitable compensation for their labour since they control the fruits of it.
But clearly you've bought into the Reaganomics meme about muh boot-straps. Despite the fact that it seems like all Eastern Europe has gotten since the fall of the eastern bloc is the freedom to whore their bodies out to westerners.
>>72314510
>But fortunately socialism, comes in with a glorious solution to this injustice. Rather than letting wealth flow upwards and calcify in the hands of an elite few the world would be a lot better were the means of production not to be privately owned but to be run democratically by the workers
It actually flows upwards and calcifies in the hands of the elite of the vanguard party.
>>72314175
capitalism can only exist through theft, through force or treat of force.
capitalism is in its very nature immoral.
And socialism doesn't try and trick you that you will be a millionaire, a rock star, a famous actor so that just made you look retarded.
Again that drive below that you wrote is just more of the same capitalistic narrative
>capitalism is natural
>capitalism is better
>capitalism is God
repeat after me
>>72309574
Retardation
>>72314730
>And socialism doesn't try and trick you that you will be a millionaire, a rock star, a famous actor so that just made you look retarded.
It claims that everything will be better and that there will be plenty for all. And then when the shortages and breadlines start, they crackdown on dissent.
I'm no fan of Capitalism. I have numerous criticisms of it. But at least my capitalist society allows me to be vocally critical and dissent rather than socialist countries which oppress "counter-revolutionaries"
>>72309574
Dismissal of merit based measurements...
Because they:
1 - Fail at life
Or
2 - Feel bad for their friends who fail at life
>>72314647
Capitalists like to claim this, but it isn't particularly true. I mean Castro's house is nice, but it isn't an opulent palace like class-traitors seem to believe communist leaders live in.
I'm not even a Leninist, but this line of thinking is retarded.
>>72309574
It's the only "edgy" ideology that's socially acceptable. It's got symbols and sheit, nigga.
>>72313877
>communist revolutions have been happening more or less constantly
Not in advanced capitalist countries therefore marx (jew) was wrong.
>she was assassinated
She wasn't assasinated she was executed for sedition and disrupting the war effort like the subversive kike rat she was.
>>72309574
it would be more worrisome if it attracted people who are actually decently educated
>>72314510
The utopian ideal of communism is a pipe dream. If the system worked the world would all be a communist utopia right now. The reality is wherever it comes to pass it generally spirals out of control and results in massive culling of the population that doesn't tow the line. Also the police and military have to become very overwhelming just to maintain the control over the people. Just look up the number of people killed in the last century by their own communist governments and explain how that is a functioning system in any way
>>72314800
>It claims that everything will be better and that there will be plenty for all.
it will.
>And then when the shortages and breadlines start, they crackdown on dissent.
oh didn't know communism was literally a Stalinist dictatorship, nice strawman you faggot
>ut at least my capitalist society allows me to be vocally critical
Because you are lucky. How would all those millions of people that were exploited so the west can have prosperity, how would they feel about capitalism?
>allows me to be vocally critical and dissent
the funniest thing here is that you actually believe that means anything or that you can change anything by your vocal critique
>>72314997
>people that were exploited so the west can have prosperity
Typical braindead commie SJW kike. Pure cringe
>>72314877
But they have happened. The first communist revolution ever was in France, and one of the earliest was in Germany.
Not to mention here in the UK the 1916 Rising was manned largely on the rebel side by communist revolutionaries. However since imperialist countries have gotten wiser than Marx expected.
>She wasn't assasinated she was executed for sedition and disrupting the war effort like the subversive kike rat she was.
Did you forget the part where Germany was amid a 3-way civil war where the people who killed her were also fighting against the government?
>>72313741
Triggered
>>72314869
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html
>>72314997
>oh didn't know communism was literally a Stalinist dictatorship, nice strawman you faggot
Happened pretty consistently, even after the fall of Stalin. Like in Venezuela right now.
>>72314510
>"""Even though I come from a desolate shithole where people live in sewers addicted to glue I think if I pull myself up by my bootstraps I too can oppress the poor"""
>Living in a country where it constantly rains and taxes are through the roof and where people fear getting bombed by the muslims they themselves let in.
Your post proves how little you know about reality. Your entire education is based on 4chan memes.
Also the majority of businesses here started from nothing, and without any financial support from banks or investors, unlike in the west. Bootstrapping is the norm here, and it works.
But I do agree with you on the fact that natural resources are not to be own by any individual. The problem with socialism is that EVERYONE who is rich should have their money taken away and spread around evenly by the government. And by evenly I mean 99% goes to politicians and 1% to the poor. Socialist view rich people as their enemies, not taking into considerations the way those rich people got their wealth in the first place. Some got it through exploiting natural resources which is not fair, and others got it through building technology companies that created cool stuff that advanced humanity. But for socialists it does;t matter. Their all and the same. The rich are rich and they are not, and they should steal the money away from the rich.
>>72314986
>America alone has killed tens of millions of people since 1945
>American police are still taking arms against their own population.
>Communist governments are the omnicidal police-states.
>>72315048
you do know that exploitation and colonization was the birth of capitalism right? you can't possibly know so little about history to not know this? right? no one can be THAT stupid? oh well...
>>72315060
Are you that Egyptian shitskin?
>>72314869
The country also looks like a time capsule from the 1950's. Not a shining example of the success of communism. Also the royal family of the castro's may as well declare them selfs God kings. The people are not given a choice of leaders, and the oligarchy seems worse there than a capitalist system imo
>>72309574
Charismatic Jew professors
>>72315141
>Living in a country where it constantly rains and taxes are through the roof and where people fear getting bombed by the muslims they themselves let in.
I don't, here in the imperialist world it's pretty comfy. Just as the capitalist system demands.
>But I do agree with you on the fact that natural resources are not to be own by any individual. The problem with socialism is that EVERYONE who is rich should have their money taken away and spread around evenly by the government
I think you've been misinformed.
The goal of socialism isn't taking money and spreading it around equally (if socialism goes according to plan money shouldn't even matter), the goal of socialism is to more or less end private property and have the means of production by run democratically. Kind of like if all workers in a given workplace are shareholders.
>>72314973
kill all commies
>>72315173
I don't recall the us mass murdering their own population. That's comparing apples to oranges.
>>72315427
You can't have a revolution without terror; something we learnt from the birth pangs of Capitalism.
>>72315325
>The goal of socialism isn't taking money and spreading it around equally (if socialism goes according to plan money shouldn't even matter), the goal of socialism is to more or less end private property and have the means of production by run democratically. Kind of like if all workers in a given workplace are shareholders.
I'm a lawyer. My "means of production" is my brain and a few books. I have sole jurisdiction over how those will be used.
>>72315213
No, I'm white and Irish.
>>72315276
>The only cars in the country are ones from before America embargoed them.
>Clearly this has more to do with communism, than the fact they can only trade with a handful of countries.
Also
> Also the royal family of the castro's may as well declare them selfs God kings. The people are not given a choice of leaders, and the oligarchy seems worse there than a capitalist system imo
u wot?
Raul Castro was elected and no one says their family are gods or kings. It's no more or an oligarchy than how America had a president who was the son of another president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_presidential_election,_2008
>>72315325
>Just as the capitalist system demands
You are just making stuff up shitskin. According to Marxist "theory" living standards for the "proletariat" in advanced capitalist countries are worse than rural non industrialised countries. You are so fast to endorse cringy "imperialist exploitation" theories that confirms that you are a brown subhuman shitskin.
>>72314730
> capitalism can only exist through theft, through force or treat of force.
So if I begin studying hard form the age of 5, sleep 6 hours per night, get a PhD in computer science, and then start a technology company and become a billionaire, I am considered a criminal? A thief? You should come and steal all my money because I am a crook right? It's not your fault that you played video games in school instead of studying right? I am the one who forced you to be a lazy looser. Right ?
I can't wait for the day all you fagots will get replaced by robots. No education = no money. Pure and simple. Maybe someday socialists will understand that.
>>72315491
>Clearly this has more to do with communism, than the fact they can only trade with a handful of countries.
They can trade with every country except the USA.
And if Capitalism is so exploitative, why do they demand to be a part of our Capitalist trade?
>>72315476
Why are there so many cringy wacko commie kike lovers from Britcuckistan?
>>72315483
Yes, this is true.
There is only one person who could possibly vote on your means of production and that is yourself. Such is the freedom of the intelligentsia
>>72309932
this. they are still young enough to believe in sharing and the kindness of mankind.
if you look at the theoretical basics of communism that way, it aint bad at all.
>>72309574
Indoctrination from an early age at school
and then its gets regressively worse the longer you spend in education. (not all education, but it certainly comes with the package)
>>72315601
So I'm already free.
Also, I'm a tax lawyer. I spend most of my day helping rich people move their money around.
I'm sure that you guys would kill me in a commie uprising.
>>72315483
"The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers". -- Marx
Capitalism has reduced your honourable job to a simple monetary relationship. Your job should be able to stand apart from the free market because it has intrinsic worth.
>>72309574
They see it as everyone is completely equal. Every one the same amount of money, the same house, the same type of car.. etc.
Looks good on paper but nothing could be farther from the truth
>>72315622
>theoretical basics of communism that way, it aint bad at all
The Labour Theory of Value the theoritical basis of marxism has been debunked since the 1870s.
Commies are just useful idiots of the kike establshment
>>72315561
There's no such thing as ethnical consumption, anon.
Additionally communism and capitalism aren't diametically opposed, but rather one is the progression of the other. Like feudalism and capitalism.
>>72315720
>Commies are just useful idiots of the kike establshment
yes but you use that same sentence for everyone and everything you don't agree with.
>>72315698
the memeist of arguments.
>>72315766
*ethical
>>72315766
>Additionally communism and capitalism aren't diametically opposed, but rather one is the progression of the other. Like feudalism and capitalism.
Proposed:
Thesis: Capitalism
Antithesis: Socialism
Synthesis: Communism
What actually happened
Thesis: Capitalism
Antithesis: Communism
Synthesis: Welfare capitalism.
>>72315792
>>72315698
>it looks good on paper
No it looks shit on paper, just as shit in real life.
>>72315720
>The Labour Theory of Value the theoritical basis of marxism has been debunked since the 1870s.
If you keep saying it, it's not suddenly going to start being true.
>>72315768
Commies are enabling and supporting the demographic diplacement of European people from their own countries. They are besically the enforcers of the kike establishment on the streets in campuses etc. This is the definition of a useful idiot.
>>72315173
>police taking arms against their population
Please don't tell me you buy into that shit.
>b-but they dindu nuffin! thems police is raciss!
>>72315476
Sounds like a page out of Isis's book, Come to power through terror. Please explain when capitalism was born in a reign of terror also. I don't recall the capitalist revolt and seizing of power other than maybe the American Revolution. Which was a revolt against the semi feudal system that existed in America before. That and England stripping the American colonies of their ability to create their own currency and plunging them into depression. The rothchilds and Bank of England to blame for that.
>>72315867
But it has you subhuman shitskin. It's not my fault you have been brainwashed by lefty/pol/ and r/communism you cringy trash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility#The_Marginal_Revolution
>>72315876
That pic,
I feel i need to wear a nose peg just looking at it.
>>72310853
>this is what communists want
>its also what I want but I'm a socialist
>go and ask a communist
>Britcuck commies
Why are they so ugly cringy and autistic?
>>72315897
>Police in the USA kill infinitely more people than in any other western country regardless of race.
>Clearly the police dindu nuffin.
>>72313861
>marxist theory
>Implying anyone with half a brain would take it seriously
Literally subhumans
>>72316015
Most people here are ugly tbqh senpai.
*TIPS DAS KAPITAL*
>>72309574
Every college student thinks they're Steve Jobs, the "big ideas guy". They believe their exact brand of socialism is a perfect mix. And being an "ideas guy" now, means they'll always have a lofty government position in a laid-back thinktank where genius social changes are discussed over lattes in a chillax boho-hipster office.
They don't lust for power or leadership positions, but easy, behind-the-scenes "thinking" jobs.
Ever wonder why communism is always advertised to the "working party", yet communist supporters are never blue-collar workers?
>>72315958
It hasn't been debunked, it has been criticized. Yet somehow people take this as gospel truth that it's been destroyed forever.
>>72316049
Yeah but commie Britcucks reach an antirely new level of hideousness
>Greek fascists.
Not sexy at all tbqh.
>>72316096
>It hasn't been debunked
>In my mind it is real!!!!
I am sure some kike commie academics think it's valid and scientific but normal people don't
>>72316161
The funny thing is the most radically anti-communist economists are generally Jewish.
>>72316098
They don't help themselves with hair like that, it just shows how out of tune they are and how mentally unstable they are proving that the socialism/commies they are fighting for is just as retarded as them.
>>72309574
>>72314510
Its always quite fun to imagine the pathetic disaster of a life the modern day marxist lives. How did you end up worshipping a system that removes your ability to work hard and potentially become wealthy?
Their lack of perspective and a form of backward rebel attitude fueled by people who are now 50+ and stuck in the past.
>>72316096
-2016
-Still thinking communism is a viable option
-seriously it's 2016 not the 1890's revolting against the Russian tzsar's
>>72316326
I don't find the idea of becoming part of the bourgeoisie to exploit people particularly appealling, nor do I buy into the meme that it's possible with a little elbow grease or some shit.
>>72315552
>No education= no money
Though I agee with this sentiment somewhat, it doesn't exactly translate to Good education= Loadsamoney
>>72309761
Has the person who made this comic ever though that maybe the reason for the different reaction is because healthcare would probably cost a lot more? Also it wouldn't be the end of the world if big oil's "subsidy" was a little smaller next year to save money while if they cut back on public healthcare to save money there'd be fucking riots, they're totally incomparable.
>>72316419
You are extremely deluded and dont have the faintest clue about how the real world works.
You are a basement marxist, if you had any real world experience you'd know you are chatting utter bollocks.
>>72316550
>I think it's realistic that you can just bootstrap your way to success.
Brainwashed/10
>>72316326
I really enjoy my job working as a manager in a factory, everything works under me and I know exactly how all the machines work and how the processes create a final product.
I don't get why I then have to deal with people above me that aren't part of the process, a board that simply invested in the company who don't know how the machines work and contribute nothing to the product.
>>72315552
Now imagine all of belgian fags become Phd in computer science, demand for Phd in computes science will remain the same, and most of Phd will be out of work earning jack shit and they'll be with no money although with an education, you have to realize that capitalism meme is revolving around money, but there is more to life than money, you're just a sheep falling for the capialist meme, you consume and get your education but you're contributing jack shit to the community, this is not the case with communism, you get no money in case of communism, but you're working for the state and making your community better, for that you receive everything you need in order to live and thus become a better person that understands its role in society and isnt some speical snowflake that deserves iphone and ferrari, just cause he worked oh so very hard
-2016
-witnessing the greatest wealth and civilization the world has ever seen
-created by capitalist country's
-arguing for 1800's failed experimental ideology
-seriously it's 2016, stop and get out of the Stone Age
>>72316595
Have you heard of becoming a doctor or an engineer? I understand that as a modern day marxist your iq has to be < 80, so maybe you dropped out of school?
>>72313857
Because they were suffering from internalized classism.
>>72309574
>>72316741
Oh, in the first world upward mobility is very possible and that's good.
But I'm talking about the bourgeoisie, that level of prosperity contrary to class-traitor belief is neigh unattainable. At best you can be intelligentsia or petite bourgeoisie.
However if you're in one of the third-world countries that the capitalist depends on, you're largely fucked.
>>72316930
The 1890's are long past Comrad. No more tzsar's left to kill and if you want to kill some royalty go kill the queen.
>>72315552
from what exactly did you get your education? could it be money that your parents had? could it be state money? where did that money come from? and the money before it?
How are you so incapable of thinking that you can't even imagine the possibility that your current state is just an end of a long history of theft and exploitation at expense of someone else.
>>72317026
>Its the current year.
>>72316930
Focus your socialist rage at them and redistribute them please
>>72317066
Yes it is. Not 1890's Karl
>>72316930
Uh huh. And can I ask what your profession is? Surely if you actually give a shit about starving afticans you are an aid worker correct?
>>72315524
>You are just making stuff up shitskin. According to Marxist "theory" living standards for the "proletariat" in advanced capitalist countries are worse than rural non industrialised countries.
In Marx's time they were, he wrote that book well over a century ago it's a bit dated now. Living in the cities used to be horrific, at least out in the country you could still have clean air and water to consume.
>>72317140
You're right, it's 2016.
126 years all the closer to full communism.
>>72317140
>>72317160
charity only prolongs the inevitable fall of capitalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g
>>72309574
It's attractive to college students that want to seem intellectual. I'm a Commie myself, and it is very easy to spot the "Communists" that are not really Communists.
Usually they call themselves "Marxists" or "Trotskyists". Some times "Marxist-Leninists" (A lot of the Marxist-Leninists are not the typical wannabe intellectual though).
They dress in an 'intellectual' way/hipster way, care a lot about their appearance and wording and are as politically correct as commies can be.
I hate them more than you, believe me :)
>>72312481
He's right. Every iteration of socialism/gommunism has had to fall back on authoritarianism to balance human nature.
If it hasn't worked yet after all the failed attempts I'm sure the next one will. Sounds like the definition of insanity. Trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
>>72312852
So how exactly do we communism? How are you going to convince the billions of people in emerging economies to drop all their aspirations?
>>72317160
tbqh, I'm in university. Exactly the target audience of this thread.
>Surely if you actually give a shit about starving afticans you are an aid worker correct?
This is silly logic, obviously I'm not an aid worker and obviously you're going to turn around and be like "ha, hypocrite". Which is about as dumb as saying "If libertarianism really works then howcome u r not billionaire?".
>>72312875
post pics.
>>72309574
I know NSA abs the like have the shit under control, and probably laughing at these kids, but there's actually a movement. This movement has plans of violence. I hope this isn't a new info.
>>72317235
It's 2016! Evidence provided anon
>>72317244
Thats a nice way to say "yeaaaah I dont actually give a fuck about those africans, I just use them as a capitalist sob story when convenient"
Once again, what is your profession?
>>72309574
>college students
It's an idiotic ideology I thought I was cool when I was 15, I soon grew up.
>>72317333
That's an interesting question, according to Marx communism is inevitable with rising automatization.
But, you seem to be considering Lenin's view that you more or less need revolution right now for it to happen. And I have not read Lenin's work very much so I don't know.
Brainwashed into it by their kike professors, or professors who learned from kike professors
>>72317393
Why in the hell are you quoting a socialist?
>>72317393
I'm not the anon you asked about their profession m88.
>>72317463
Why wouldn't you quote a socialist?
>>72315876
>more minarets for Switzerland
I thought they outlawed those a few years ago.
>>72313084
>You won't ever have any degree of influence upon this world
How would this be any different under horizontally democratic communism? You're still one small fish. You will be dictated to by the majority. A self appointed elite of 'philosopher kings' will run the show.
>>72317514
I thought it was odd seeing as they were the ones ITT arguing against socialism, shouldn't they think Orwell was an idiot for being so red? He wasn't a marxist-leninist sure but he still believed in a lot of this same stuff.
Just a reminder: OP has 1 post
>>72309574
>>72313877
>communist revolutions have been happening more or less constantly somewhere in the world for about 100 years now.
The last decade, name two.
>>72317569
He was also prepared to give his life for anarchism, but because "muh Animal Farm" and how everyone assumes 1984 is a critique of the USSR he's pretty popular with porkies.
>>72317340
Okay, so you are a campus marxist with no real world experience, join the club. I dont know about britbongistan, but in canada our socialist systems are doing great, example:
Socialized health care and nursing homes:
>5 months to 1 year of sitting in a public hospital as an old person, rampant cases of abuse like missing meals and failing to have diaper changed for over a week
> the government is passing assisted suicide laws which will allow those that cannot communicate have the choice made for them by hospital staff
Cancer treatment:
>get cancer
>8 month waiting list for treatment
>fly to the usa for quick and effective private treatment or die waiting for sub par care
Thanks socialism! Fuck off
>>72317665
>everyone assumes 1984 is a critique of the USSR
That was the regime he had in mind specifically though didn't he?
>>72317637
murica.. not communism as an economic system. But the Frankfurt school doctrine has grown exponentially in murica for the last decade
>>72310853
Don't ever post this incoherent garbage again.
>>72316619
>Contribute nothing to the product
Providing capital and business oversight for the company isn't nothing you retard.
>>72317637
The PKK in the Syrian civil war.
The Napalese civil war.
I discovered /pol/ my sophomore year of college at age 20 and have been full reactionary ever since. I was conservative before but had a curious sympathy for communism because it appeals to young people who want to change the system.
Even if I hadn't found /pol/, the people who actually protest or hold meetings for communism or socialism here are the ugliest, most degenerate looking outcasts on campus and no one wants to associate with them.
>>72314730
Capitalism IS natural. Why is it that every attempt at socialism has ended up corrupt as hell? Human fucking nature.
>inb4 more spookposing
>>72317699
>Public healthcare
>Socialism.
Is this what the cold-war propaganda from over the border is telling you?
>>72317632
ugn
>>72317814
>theft is natural
>exploitation is natural
>colonization is natural
that somehow implies it is good lol
>>72314997
> How would all those millions of people that were exploited so the west can have prosperity, how would they feel about capitalism?
You call it exploitation but how would China be doing without all the trinkets to sell to the west? Before you answer remember that China is a net importer of food.
>>72317718
He hated Stalin and generally took every opportunity to shit on him but it was chiefly a dystopian commentary on the potential future of Britain. It is thick with references to Stalinist Russia though.
>>72313084
>won't ever be a millionaire
Um, yeah, no that's pretty common in the US. Even a blue collar worker can retire a multi-millionaire if he saves and invests correctly.
>>72309574
Never worked a day in their life, parents pay for their shit, hardcore brainwashing that they're "on the right site of history" and morbid narcissism.
They think they help anyone by giving "free shit" to people that don't want to contribute to the society by taking this from the working people, they people they SHOULD represent.
That only shows how sick this world is.
>>72317986
>being this delusional
>>72315657
Lad even I'd gulag you.
>>72317814
>Of course it is my natural right to own private property, we have been doing it since the dawn of time. Why else did the Russian revolution fail?
>Of course it is my natural right to own slaves, we have been doing it since the dawn of time. Why else did the Haitian revolution fail?
>>72317875
Its a socialized system and its failing spectacularly. Do you want to tell me our health care isnt socialized?
>>72318116
Yes actually. Canadian style public healthcare functions by contracting services from private companies, it's about as socialist as the roads we drive on.
>>72317916
>commie trash posting an ancap philosopher
>>72318195
>philosopher
>>72317451
>Marx communism is inevitable with rising automatization.
So why are /left/tards agitating then? We are moving towards full communism. If it is inevitable then why not just wait it out?
>>72318195
>philosopher
>>72318025
Maybe you should look up social mobility, rate of self made millionaires, and fluidity of the 1% in the United States.
All things that suffer massively under any socialist policy.
I'm sorry you're an untouchable class cretin and can not mingle with those who understand money.
>>72317778
I knew Rojava would be one of them. Must have missed Nepal. But given the support of China I think you've gotta question the true motives.
>>72318331
Because since literally every communist country ever to exist was based on Lenin's philosophy, all the most influential communists and communist organizations follow some derivative of Leninism.
>>72318361
>the system is good because I can profit in it, never mind the millions that are starving, the system is good to me
your_logic.gif
>>72318459
Given India supported the kingdom there was almost certainly some proxy warring going on.
But that's basically standard practice for communist revolutions.
>>72317875
It is socialism.
>>72317916
>>72318043
>muh colonization
>muh salves
Now you're putting words in my mouth. Competition, wanting the good things in life. These are natural. Competition is why your modern life is so fucking comfortable. Yes, there are still exploiters in the world. They do this largely with the democratic support of their nations because the peoples of said nation are acting in their RATIONAL SELF INTEREST
>>72318498
Yes.
Is there an issue?
>>72318281
That's really not a good picture of her. She best get them titties out in some lads mag before she spoils.
>>72318621
>muh rational self-interest
Yes, and it's in the rational self interest of the overwhelming majority of the planet's population to be communist. This is one thing Ayn Rand seemed to never take into account in her butthurt rage.
>>72318621
sounds like someone watches too many youtube videos like Sargon and the rest of the "RATIONAL ENLIGHTENED FOLK".
Get fucked you fedora.
>>72318498
wtf is that on the back of her phone???
>>72317057
so it just comes down to guilt tripping
great
>>72318567
What's the odds had the Maoists won it they'd have jumped straight into bed with China?
>>72318281
Whats your point? Molyneux is king philosopher, are you a sophist?
>>72318807
100% given they need some world-power to sugar-daddy up with.
>>72318633
The commie eunuch lacks balls or is a woman, so there is no competitive nature present.
I don't usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.
Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad's company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).
I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of "anarchists" and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.
I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn't see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn't read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.
>>72318962
This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don't know why, but I didn't say anything) and they invited me inside.
We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn't as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.
I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.
And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.
>>72319009
I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that's it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don't have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like "noooo" again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says "nooo" or expresses some disapproval at the same time.
And one of them said "but we do want to stop democracy" and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn't really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.
So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.
>>72311737
>>72312481
fuck off faggots, we don't care about your bubbling.
Go buy a farm and make communism there.
>>72319021
Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.
Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me." Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.
I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.
So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.
I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don't worry. Just needed to share.
>>72317057
This. Communism bashing is Jewish agenda, because it opposes Capitalism, where Jews hold all the chips. Communism bashing is always JIDF propaganda.
>>72318732
Rational self interest is a favorite catchphrase of left/pol/. Just speaking in your own language.
>>72318714
>Yes, and it's in the rational self interest of the overwhelming majority of the planet's population to be communist.
Maybe so. But time and again it is shown that people won't settle for equality (lets not even get into the how you propose to bring about and enforce this). When the opportunity arises people will band together to take what others have.
And this point about human nature is no more a cop out than saying 'everything will be perfect under communism'. As long as there is scarcity, there is competition. IF post scarcity is a prerequisite for Full Communism™ then why don't you admit it is a utopic fantasy at best? Why is it that 'communists' invariably attempt to subvert and attack western nations? It is much easier to criticise than offer solutions but until you start offering solutions your support will always be fringe at best.
>>72314730
>>72314510
than give up all you have.
give it to the state/to the poor/to the needy.
private property is a sham, afterall.
>>72319044
Multiculturalism is a religion friend
>>72318894
And China isn't communist. So was it any more than a shameless appeal to an often violent fringe?
>>72309574
They do not know how bad it was.
They have a death wish to rot in a gulag.
>>72309574
It's simplistic, black-and-white, utopian thinking that appeals to sophomoric naiveté.
>>72319180
Because society more or less can already be post-scarcity. There is such a shocking amount of wealth on the planet that no one should be hungry, but they are because it's so tightly concentrated.
If you can create value, you ought be compensated for it equitably. This is what communism solves with the democratic control of labour distributing the value among the workers as opposed to distributing it upwards based on spooky notions of property.
>Why is it that 'communists' invariably attempt to subvert and attack western nations?
Communists attempt to subvert and attack every capitalist nation because global revolution is the goal.
>>72319044
>It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me."
tiptop kekel lad.
>>72319267
You're right, it isn't. But neither was the USSR.
They were and are vaguely socialist. But tbqh the Chinese communist party seem to have their screwed on.
>>72318757
a design on her transparent iPhone case
>>72318771
no, it comes down to you pretending we all start at the same place, it comes down to you pretending you aren't privileged and very lucky
>>72318691
I posted it as a reaction to the guy claiming Stefan is a philosopher, her face is the face I was making
>>72318814
>hi I'm 12 yo
>>72319220
private property is theft
and I don't have much, so if we're taking, we won't be taking it from me
>>72319220
But I do not own any means of production, friend.
I just own my personal property.
>>72319454
I'm not talking about artificial scarcity. I am talking about real physical scarcity like water and arable land. These issue are only going to get worse with our exploding population. #
>Communists attempt to subvert and attack every capitalist nation because global revolution is the goal.
My point was about how leftists never offer solutions. Sure there are issues with capitalism. Any fucking 18 year old can tell you that.But criticism isn't enough. People need to see valid solutions if they are to support you.
>>72309886
A copy of a copy of a copy is never as good as the original.
>>72319553
wtf is Vuru pharmacy? Do you sell drugs?
>>72309932
This is the correct answer answer. It is literally a childish view of the world. Source: graduated from a liberal arts college five years ago. Most of these people haven't worked a day in their life and consider studying for an exam for three hours on a Sunday "hard work".
>>72319692
This is why trade exists, there is a limited supply of arable land but there is a massive amount of crops that can be yielded from this.
I'm not sure what the problem is hear. If cocoa-bean farmers in the Ivory Coast don't get exploited by their capitalist overlords then the wealth yielded from their harvest distributed among them democratically would be plenty to put food on the table.
This is one of those problems caused by capitalism and solved by socialism.
>These issue are only going to get worse with our exploding population
This is why we've got to go to space. To make room.
>People need to see valid solutions if they are to support you.
You do realize communists have been writing on exactly this for about 100 years now? The solutions are there, if there is one thing that definitely isn't lacking in communism it's academic communist theory on how it should run.
>>72310853
But none of that makes any sense
>communists don't want communism
Yeah ok
>>72319957
>>72320052
I just want to know
>>72319553
>I posted it as a reaction to the guy claiming Stefan is a philosopher, her face is the face I was making
she should really avoid that face. She looks fucking 40.
>no, it comes down to you pretending we all start at the same place, it comes down to you pretending you aren't privileged and very lucky
Inequality is a fact of life. Not even just the material but individuals are different. Some tall some small some ugly some disabled. It seems to me that communists of your tendency are essentially advocating taking fro the 'haves' and divvying this up between the have nots. While these numbers are hard to crunch if we assume by some miracle this did happen we'd all wake up tomorrow in the material conditions of somebody in the lower class in India. That's a lot of progress to throw away in the name of equality and many people would outright reject any attempt to do so. The alternative is the current system. The most abject kinds of poverty still exist but are becoming rarer. Which do you think will take us to post scarcity first?
[spoiler]pls remember that it is private industry that has fired the starting pistol on fucking space mining.[/spoiler]
>>72312558
>When did voters ever agree with that?
Like the ACA, the notion of corp. subsidies was never something that came up on a ballot.
The politicians receive a fat "campaign" contribution to enact into law, something that benefits a certain person or persons.
>>72320133
communism has never been about everyone being equal or any of that shite. Obviously people have different skills and attributes; it's just about working to ability and needs.
>>72319985
>If cocoa-bean farmers in the Ivory Coast don't get exploited by their capitalist overlords then the wealth yielded from their harvest distributed among them democratically would be plenty to put food on the table.
Distributed how? On a community level? National level? Continental level?
>This is why we've got to go to space. To make room.
And who is leading this push into space?
>You do realize communists have been writing on exactly this for about 100 years now? The solutions are there, if there is one thing that definitely isn't lacking in communism it's academic communist theory on how it should run.
This I'd love to hear cause I've asked at that other place loads of times how specifically we get from where we are now to glorious Full Communism™
>>72320343
>communism has never been about everyone being equal or any of that shite.
I thought that equality, at least of opertunity, was a large part pretty much summed up in the notion of 'classless, stateless moneyless' society?
>>72320438
> People need to see valid solutions if they are to support you.
The workers democratically control their workplace. So they take their cocoa beans, trade them, and then distribute the wealth among the workers on a workplace level.
>And who is leading this push into space?
The state.
>This I'd love to hear cause I've asked at that other place loads of times how specifically we get from where we are now to glorious Full Communism™
I advise you start with Marx, and then look into Lenin and Rosa.
Fuck this "Marxism is for college students" meme.
I have worked 12 hours night shift in a factory for idiot supervisors and idiot owners, getting paid shit. Do you expect me to love capitalism after that.
The idea that capitalism is an ideal.efficient system can only be repeated by shills or people who have never seen a workplace in operation.
The idea that communism is the government owning the means of production is also a huge strawman.
Communism is the community owning the means of production. which is more effective, it gives incentive to automate and create a system which is effectively humans living off of automated labor. which is better than oligarchs living off the labor of other humans and forcing them to compete for stagnant wages while public infrastructure remains neglected and future environmental catastrophes remain unplanned for.
>>72318498
I urge you to read Mobo Gao's and Dongping Han's on the cultural revolution, who present the cultural revolution from a rural perspective. They demonstrate that it was the closest thing to communism in modern history.
Cultural revolution was about giving people the right to overthrow and rebel against their leaders. this created great work environments and led to much progress.
oddly enough I see parallels between Mao and Thomas Jefferson who both advocated: governments that should fear the masses, continuous revolution, an emphasis on rural agricultural development.
Both men inherently believed in the right of men to overthrow their leaders.
>>72309574
it isn't just communism, they are succeptible to any and all ideologies while having no life experience to weigh them against
also many college students' livelihoods are still supported by their families, so no oppressive taxation experience either
thirdly, contrarianism is en vogue with the students who want to "stick it up the man"
Free education to study Communism and Feminism.
>>72319553
Are you a sophist?
>>72320625
Should have stayed in school
>>72320625
And the great leap forward led to millions of deaths. Leftists don't care about human life do who cares right.
>>72309574
The current system is a failure.
>>72320625
> cultural revolution was the closets thing to communism
Yes and it set back China so far they haven't been a real player on the global stage until this decade
Socialist capitalism, an in the Nordic Model, is probably the closest we will ever see of communism that actually works, and that is only like 20% communism + very free market+ educated workforce + lack of corruption in everyday life
>>72321040
>Socialist capitalism, an in the Nordic Model, is probably the closest we will ever see of communism that actually works
Social democrat bourgeois shills get the fuck out
>>72320561
no, it's based on effort rather than this liberal idea of equality. You're all equal to work, to create products and goods without the inequality of capital.
If you don't engage with work then you go hungry, you had an equal chance to do your duty and you fucked it up.
>>72321126
He's right. Though the nordic model is too generous and too willing to accept newcomers. Regulated capitalism seems a much more plausible goal. Let's be honest, the global revolution is a pipedream at best. And socialism in one country will inevitably fail as other states and individuals fight against said state. You could always go full USSR but we know how that one plays out.
