Convince me /pol/
With the imminent bernout of bernie, I shall have nowhere to go.
Rip on me for that if you want
>cuck
>commie (because capitalism is working out real nice right? top kek)
>libtard (which I am not, fuck both sides of the isle)
>blah blah blah blah, I've heard it before, don't give a shit
Convince me what is good about Trump
I hate the fuck out of Hillary, but am still unconvinced on the T man
Those that hate brown people need not apply
>Export Mexicans so whites can have custodial/field work jobs (also top kek)
>Ban Muslims (which is silly, considering that's exactly what ISIS wants you to do)
Give me some solid, good, facts on why you like him
His lack of political experience both concerns, and interests me (I'm all about outsiders)
He himself, being the head of a corporate entity also concerns me.
His rhetoric, and the rhetoric of a lot of his white trash supporters also turn me off (both in fact checking, and in his edge lord statements. Fun fact, emotional abrasiveness does not equal intellectual or emotional honesty)
I'm no SJW
I go to CU Boulder, I have to stomp those types down on a regular basis (Oh, you're defending minorities by limiting what I can say, while simultaneously paying tax dollars to destroy those same people across the world? Toppest fucking kek)
With all that said, and out of the way,
Convince me /pol/
I will NOT vote for that snake, warmonger Hillary.
>>72126176
he is really center just not politicly correct.
conservatives hate him because he is not conservative enough.
look at the states he is winning.
>>72126176
>Export Mexicans so whites can have custodial/field work jobs (also top kek)
no we want to fixx the black 30% unemployment rate.
>Ban Muslims (which is silly, considering that's exactly what ISIS wants you to do)
no isis want a cival war, he is purposing to bann immigration from muslim states temporaraly until it's fixxed.
>>72126176
>wow im done having the trendy Left tell me my opinion
>hey trendy Right, what should my opinion be?
I fully understand now why only the wealthy were allowed to vote.
>im not like those other libruls :)
>>72126176
>don't ban Muslims because that's what they want us to do!
And why should we pander to manchildren who will blow us up if we hurt their feelings?
>>72126511
I'm uncertain the black population will want to do those jobs, why don't they already?
Isis already has a civil war, if muslims trying to flee the conflict have nowhere to go (speaking here about lawful immigration, the crisis in the EU is ridiculous) than who will they turn to? The one place they can. It's easier to amp up a conflict the more bodies are present. Sending them more potential soldiers does not sound like a good idea, I'd rather integrate them here, where they can be comfortable, and not raving jihadists.
>>72126818
look at the picture >>72126369
second comment first green text
reed til you get to the regular text
>>72126818
also they want a cival war in the usa and europe.
muslims vs locals
>>72126556
I'm simply being realistic, sorry for opening myself up to your point of view.
You're right, day in and day out I want to believe average people are in the right, and good.
But time after time, I encounter unrelenting stupidity.
Maybe the rich should just all send the nukes flying, the world will be a better place when after they emerge from their bunker mansions.
Kill yourself fuck face.
>>72127050
Could understand this in the EU, but here in the US of A they make up less than 1% of the population, even with immigration they'd get BTFO
>>72126928
I see, still skeptical it would work. To be fair I'd pick cotton, sing slave songs, and let people call me nigger for 1000$ an hour.
I understand that's not the point,
but I just don't think blacks will reject welfare to revert back to what their slave ancestors were doing.
>>72127330
the problem is not full blown wars but chrismas party office shooting every week.
here in israel during the second antifada they never should a chance to win but they did kill over 1000 people in 2 years till they got shut out by the security fence.
now they barely get 1 a week if they are lucky and it's full blown 3rd antifada.
do you want a ford hood shooting every week?
>>72127507
it's not about the job, it's pay. mexican do it for 8$ an hour so black can't compete
>>72127659
Good point, but compared to what we've done to their people, shooting every now and then doesn't seem like a big deal. We kinda deserve that shit.
I also don't believe shootings won't occur if Muslims are banned. Criminals go places they aren't supposed to all the time.
Some small time shootings, seems like a better alternative than an all out war between EU and the strengthened, isolated islamic powers.
>>72127239
>i'm being realistic
Except you're not. Capitalism has not failed in comparison to its opposition. You've segregated yourself from dem libruls only so you can dodge the attack on your "realistic" views. Which are beaners didn't destroy the shit out of the labor market and that declining terrorists is what the terrorists want.
You're not realistic at all, you're shallow. Fuck face.
>>72127737
What about the rise in food prices? If I have to pay black Americans 15$, shits gonna get pricey real quick.
Not too mention the rise in prices from industrial products, since banning illegals essentially negates NAFTA.
I'm all for bringing industry back to America, but that isn't going to happen overnight
Without even getting into the politics of your post; I just have to say that you sound like an enormous faggot and a huge douche.
>>72126176
>(because capitalism is working out real nice right? top kek)
lol shut up rich boy
faggot in your liberal tower
patronizing democrat cracka
we "brown people" don't want your pink skin faggoty "sympathy" or instructions for living.
what a fucking retard
>>72127898
you have 3 mass shooting problems.
>muslims
>mentaly ill
>gangsters
if properly treat mental illness, bann immigration from muslim countries and jail gangsters then you don't have a mass shooting problem.
>>72128085
not 15$. but if you let it rise naturaly it'll be better. also less welare. and compared to the other prices in the mixx it won't rise by that much. the economy will be better when the nation's wealth is spread amoungst a smaller nation
>>72128039
Look at the UN's population projection for 2030 and tell me Capitalism isn't going to fail. It will, and the fall will be more catastrophic than any other in human history, "The world will end before capitalism does nonsense."
I can't be segregated from something I am not a part of. I hate Obama and the left, just as much as I do the right.
Beaners did? No, NAFTA did, which was made by by a bunch of white people.
Yes, ISIS does want us to exclude Muslims so they have nowhere else to go, giving them power.
I've presented my arguments, where are yours?
I'm not going to take you seriously when your first tactic to a discussion is to insult. Makes you seem real smart, which I can tell you are not.
Right, I'm shallow for opening myself up to a point of view that I previously disagreed with.
I'll still probably vote for Bernie, depends on what I learn about Trump
>>72128211
Am I even reading English?
>>72128176
Likewise, my dude.
>>72128596
You sound like a preening numale hipster who wears tights. Your faggotry is unbearable.
>>72126176
>capitalism is working out real nice right?
Absolutely is. The US is the most capitalist society. The US has the most wealth, the best standards of living, and the highest job opportunities. Note opportunities.
If you're feeling the bern in your hemorrhoids(speed bumps) then you are a commie.
Communism sure worked real well didn't it? Few people even had microwaves in the late 80s-90s in Soviet Russia. And yes, Soviet Russia isn't "true" communism just as the USA isn't "true" capitalism. Point being, we won. Fuck you, Commie.
>Custodial/field work jobs
There's also construction, good paying agriculture jobs, welding, etc. Plenty of jobs white americans could do.
>Muslims
Yes, a temporary ban from letting muslims in. How is that what ISIS wants us to do? Protecting ourselves from having another Brussels? I'd rather have "division" of people than have many Americans die, and as a result way more die because a terrorist attack on American soil would result in direct attacks on ISIS with boots on the ground. No matter who is president.
>>72128502
>un's population
What does that have to do with capitalism?
>nafta
You didn't mention nafta, you implied that swarms of illegal immigrants taking unskilled labor positions en masse for cheap had no ill side effects, when there are many
>terrorists gaining power
Nigger, they already have power? How do you think they got it? How does "excluding" the people who gave terrorists power in the first place give the terrorists MORE power?
You got insults because you came into a thread saying "don't insult me, ima tuff shitlord. Now tell me what to think."
>>72128833
Your rage feeds me
>>72128555
kek and the liberal's true prejudiced attitude surfaces
you guys are so transparent and dopey
>>72128888
What do you think Muslims are going to do if they can't get into a country away from the conflict? Shoot themselves? They're going to side with ISIS if they have nowhere else to go.
>>72128502
>Implying that the UN's population projection would make any difference regardless of political system
>Labor market
The labor market got shit on by both beaners, NAFTA, and bureaucracy in general. "The only thing saving us from bureaucracy is it's inefficiency". That quote held true until Computers became quite mainstream. Aka, government bureaucracy is killing us.
ISIS would not have more power if the muslims had nowhere else to go. They'd have more power in 3rd world shit holes, but have no effect on countries that matter.
As far as trump goes he's still anti establishment, he'd fix a lot of our problems if he got his way and create others in the process. He'd create fewer problems than Hillary, though.
>>72129716
Or fight ISIS like the Kurds. I'd be fine with them joining ISIS. I really don't care. Get the US out of the middle east and stop arming the fuckers, let them all kill each other. That region is unstable. The logical thing to do is drop a nuke on it. A few hundred nukes.
>>72129716
lurk moar, learn more
>>72127898
>it's a good thing that innocent people around the world are killed by terrorists because they deserve it!
just stop, achmed
>>72128888
there are different types of communism, like marxism, leninism, trotskyism, hoxhaism, maoism, stalinism, so there isno such thing as "true" communism. unless you pick what went first, so by that argument its marxism, or you can pick and choose from whatever goes with your belief. which is how the "true communism" argument statred
>>72129927
Like the innocent lives we've been destroying for the past 60 years or so?
No American is innocent bro.
>>72126176
Just imagine this scene. How could you not want pic related??
>>72130235
So you're saying all muslims are responsible for muslim terrorists, just as the US citizens are responsible for US military actions
>>72129377
Capitalism is the dominant, driving power in the world. The rate at which our country consumes resources is utterly unsustainable and will lead to world destruction, hence the population dip.
You're right, I initially did, should have clarified but I did bring it up later in the conversation.
I was ready for the insults, I thought maybe, just maybe I'd find an actual intelligent person or two.
Don't get me wrong, I'm down to hurl feces like the rest of you.
Fun times, bring it on.
>ban muslims
>silly
Muslim immigration was the single worse thing my country ever did. And we're only 4% muslim.
Yet they get away with this shit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/child-sexual-exploitation-bombshell-official-8862316
And for the first time police and council officials have publicly admitted a ‘disproportionate number’ of Asian Pakistani men are involved in on-street grooming, as revealed by the Mail last year.
*87 per cent of victims were female and 54 per cent were white;
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2015/05/02/sex-abuse-gangs-in-black-country-significant-similarities-to-rotherham-scandal-say-police/
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/05/02/parks-hotels-and-taxis-the-terrifying-truth-about-child-exploitation-in-the-black-country/
>Offenders are said to be typically Asian, of Pakistani origin, aged 17 to 40. Most victims are white females aged 13 to 16.
>210 children or young people [...] in the first six months of 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975336/Hundreds-young-people-groomed-sexually-exploited-gangs-Oxfordshire-15-years-police-social-service-failed-stop-report-reveal.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-31696276
More than 300 young people in Oxfordshire were groomed, raped and sometimes forced into 'sex slavery' by gangs over the last 15 years, a damning report will reveal tomorrow.
idk he has a few interesting points e.g. auditing the Federal Reserve, decreasing involvement in NATO and Israel (non-intervention foreign policy), protectionist measures to in theory reverse outsourcing and save blue collar US jobs
>>72130239
I do have a fascination with nazi aestheticism admittedly.
>>72130124
I'm aware of that, I was jsut precountering an argument as I always hear "TRUE COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED BRO!"
Communism fails, and that's that. On paper it's the best form, and without humans it'd work.
>>72130342
No, that's not what I'm saying.
A muslim seeking refuge from the conflict are trying not to support terrorists. Sure, some take advantage of that, but that is no excuse to crucify all of them given our own disgusting sins.
Yes, with the exception of children and tax dodgers, we US citizens are responsible.
The information about what we do is still there, and we still pay for it gladly.
>>72130515
They had some excellent designers. This however was made by me. Just finished it this morning
>>72130459
Finally some sources, thank you. Will read.
Though America is terrible for sex trafficking as well, hard to hold that to a double standard. The Clark Country WA police department is very involved in child sex trafficking.
>>72130736
I'll never see the Cathedral of Light with my own eyes T.T
>>72130456
>capitalism is the dominant, driving power in the world
>capitalism has failed
Pick one, dude.
>consumes resources unsustainably
What resources? Things that are unsustainable are not profitable, therefore doesn't really apply to Capitalism. Bounty the paper towel company actually plants more trees than it uses. Sure, it's for sustainable profit and PR, but that's hardly an example of capitalism consuming resources.
The truth is, self-interest has a lot more power for good than the suppression of self interest.
>>72131206
Failing***
Here you go!
http://public.wsu.edu/~mreed/380American%20Consumption.htm
I can send more sources if you really want.
>>72130667
say, now, that's excellent reasoning. you don't study mathematics, by any chance, do you?
>>72131068
Holy shit
>>72131408
>Americans consume more power
Okay? More of a culture thing than a spite against capitalism.
>>72131692
You clearly didn't read the rest of that link.
>>72126176
Yes, young people should be doing the jobs these ugly spics are lifers at.
He's not Hillary should be the only reason anyone needs 2bh.
And it will be a glorious 4 years of sound bytes and memes.
>>72131838
that rant in the link implies that consumption is bad but doesn't show why. it also doesn't show where the energy is being produced.
also, you don't seem to realize that your ilk would be eliminated in our Great Leap Forward. I wouldn't be pushing for it so hard if I were you.
>>72131692
You're also grossly underestimating the implications of higher energy use.
>>72131838
>Americans have a much higher standard of living and take eating a granule of rice once per week for granted.
Okay? Again, this is a cultural reflection, not an in depth study of capitalism being the only economic system sucking the land dry of resources.
>>72126176
>wants you to do
what is this meme
why wouldn't they want their infiltrators inside the countries
>>72132120
you're grossly overstating them.
>>72132116
Here's couple more for you....
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/810
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33133712
>>72132263
it's clear you're some kind of retard no-science lovey-dovey man child, or you wouldn't post propaganda and 24/7 press outlets. try some scientific studies with data and peer review. might be kind of hard for you to read since it doesn't tell you what opinion to have, though
>>72132242
Are you implying American culture exists within its own bubble that is capitalism?
It isn't the only one doing so, it's just the best at it.
>>72126176
Trump loves this country. He only wants what is best. Watch this video. If it doesn't convince you, I dunno.
https://youtu.be/pJ-RWM6mXfU
>>72132392
The only thing that is showing is that capitalist countries are more affluent and use more resources (although they vary, surely nothing to do with anything but the economic system).
Nothing there says it's unsustainable. Wasteful, sure. But then are you proposing the state breaks into everyone's house and fines them for unused food spoiling or their kids no scraping the plate of their greens?
>>72132389
Here you go
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/152638001316881368?journalCode=glep#.Vx-4YPkrLIV
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4313888?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=2dpoAgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=american+and+world+consumption&ots=5TJ6vOu1p_&sig=fD5kQxsTWlpnjG1RaGn2iCQkoJg#v=onepage&q=american%20and%20world%20consumption&f=false
(good read btw)
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10696679.1997.11501750#.Vx-4svkrLIU
>>72126176
There is no need to convince you, you dont even understand basic economics. Nobody needs to talk to you, sit at the kids table.
>>72132746
So resources are infinite then?
I'm implying we should look at the consequences of our luxury, as well as the costs of exploitation of the third world.
>>72126176
>Ban Muslims (which is silly, considering that's exactly what ISIS wants you to do)
LEAF LOGIC
Vote for who you closest relates to your political views. Seriously.
>>72126176
No one has to convince you if shit, you libtard commie.
Listen to the candidates instead of cucking your freedoms out to the loudest voice.
Get out
>>72132962
Look everyone, we have another economic genius who doesn't state anything at all.
LOOK /POL/ THIS GUYS GOT THE ECONOMY SO DOWN HE'S A MILLIONAIRE, WE GOT A RICHER IN THE HOUSE EVERYONE.
>Your views are different than mine, you must be an ignorant child :(((((
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
>>72133085
I said nothing about killing all muslims not being a solution, in the words of the Joseph Stalin, "No man, no problem."
>>72133156
You don't have to, it was more of a request than a demand.
I'm still unswayed, just wanted information.
>>72132882
Ah, I'm glad you posted from "Global Environmental Politics"
in your quick google search to find some material, you are getting closer to realizing that your liberal ideas of "sustainability" and "reduced emissions" are simply a clever ruse to prevent the third world from developing independently. in your ignorant crusade to make the Earth a lovely place, you are ensuring that the brown hordes of the third world must rely on the noble white man who will show him the way to proper interaction with his environment.
would you agree that The West has a responsibility to show developing nations the correct way to be nice to the environment?
