Why is ukraine such a shithole compared to the other post-soviet countries?
bomp
>>72014506
>localpurchasingpowertugal
L y l
>>72014458
Because the Soviets never really left
Well, at least their puppets didn't
If Ukraine was an EU member and got access to their funds like Poland did they wouldn't be as poor as they are now.
>commies stealing for 50 years
>SSSR collapses
>wealthy westerness buys all in your country literaly holding oyu donw
kek
i hate this world
>>72016668
5% of our PKB is EU funding. :(
>>72014506
>Even a Slavnigger commie shithole like Poland is richer than Grease
Damn
>>72014506
WTF Portugal?
>>72014458
They started out the least developed of all pre-soviet countries, so their entire economy was built from the ground up by the soviets. When the West swooped in with their so-called "shock therapy", they demolished everything the soviets built and essentially reset the countries to their pre-soviet state - in Ukraine's case, that meant destroying literally every aspect of their economy.
They've stayed in Eastern sphere of influence and they dont have stronk leader who can tame the oligarchy.
>>72017116
Hi this is debts, did you pay?
But we also have cheapest AK on black market. Also you can easily buy grenades, rpgs, hell you can even get guided antitank rocket. So fuck you.
>>72017465
And yet, you still can't BTFO of separatists
>>72017737
To be honest most people except for proukrainian refugees don't want to btfo separatists. For most people this war now is about not letting them spread further. Nobody wants to govern that shithole full of retarded vatniks. Fuck them.
>>72017907
So, you basically giving russians your clay for almost free.
I woulnd't expect anything less from a hohol.
>>72014458
Holodomor, Chernobyl, Civil War,
>>72014458
No wonder Russia won't annex it.. who wants to clean up That mess??
>>72017907
So... that would you propose?
>>72017465
Ah yes because AKs, RPGs, and granades are so nutritious, and will keep family fed and closed and warm through the entire year? 'I
Leave Ukraina alone or I kill you
>>72018385
The fuck, why would anybody defend Ukraine? Even Ukrainian told that this is shithole. With all the respect to my eastern Slavic brothers this country is cancer in current moment.
>>72018173
Thousands dead from both sides, it's hardly can be called "free". Besides "clay" is shit, what really important is people. And getting dombass back is like eating shit.
>>72018553
Leave ukraine alone or I'll shank you
Bring her back y/n?
>>72018173
Look at you talking high and mighty when you should be sympathetic to Ukraine efforts of ridding itself of the red plague, you fucking communist antifa piece of shit, gtfo my pol, traitor
>>72018600
Learn from the ruskies. All clay is good and you can always beat people if they don't like you.
>>72018553
Die. We love our ukrainian brothers.
>>72014458
what ever happened to the russian collapse meme?
every day butthurt belt nations tried to tell us it was imminent
>>72018797
This. I'll never blame Ukrainians for how kikes drive it to shit.
>>72014458
Your data is a little bit outdated but the main point about shithole is right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate
>>72018633
Lol, classic Lithuania, sink the boat to kill the captain. What's wrong with you people, you hate Poland so much that you don't even care that Ukraine is your neighbour too? We will ALL deal with the consequence in next few years.
>>72018723
Ruskies are the last people from whom anybody should learn. All the clay they got they turned into shithole, because they never understood that clay means nothing, quality of people who live on that clay means everything.
>>72018717
>Look at you talking high and mighty when you should be sympathetic to Ukraine efforts of ridding itself of the red plague, you fucking communist antifa piece of shit, gtfo my pol, traitor
You don't know shit about history between poland and ukraine, do you?
But then again, you're just another gypsy in this thread.
Best scenario for poland in this conflict is happening right now - ukrainans and russians are slaughtering each other. Then i'm sympathetic to both of them.
>>72018968
This this and this, prophetic words
>>72019011
You're still butthurt over that masacre, that's all about it. Also ad hom just shows how much of a bydlo shit you are.
>>72018385
do it u faggot
>>72018954
>I will never blame ISIS for how Americans drive them to shit
The fuck, nobody blame them because it doesn't matter but the fuck is that we have big fucking ticking bomb on east.
>>72019011
Listen here kid, kindly fuck off back to the Russia Today circle jerk of the Syria general threads, you useless traitorous Kremlin cocksucker
>>72014458
Too many maidans and power struggling between oligarchs.
>>72018968
>quality of life
Western standards are unsustainable and only happened because they needed to counter the risk of revolution supported by the eastern block. By pure coincidence things ground to a halt when said block collapsed despite bombastic charts of gdp growths and other paper results.
>>72018797
Polacks > ukranians
>>72019011
You spit on your dead ancestors who fought for freedom against the red plague just like Ukraine is right now, you traitors need to be hanged like all the other antifa scumbags
>>72019154
ISIS pushed millions of shitskins in Europe with help of Americans and Jews. What have Ukrainians done besides murdering a bunch of Poles?
Braindamaged western Ukrainians want annual revolutions
>>72019311
>fight for freedom
Kek.
I don't trust your stats, last time I checked Moldova was way worse than Ukraine, that shithole is literally Africa tier
>>72019097
Ad hom, because i just called you a gypsy?
No, ad hom would be i if i called you a fucking retarded piece of shit. Gypsy is generalizaton for all of your countrymates.
>You're still butthurt over that masacre
At least we have a good reason. Unlike you, and your whole hate to hungary.
>>72019180
>Kremlin
Yeah, because i cheer for both of them as long as they slaugher each other? ;^)
Oy gypsy, gypsy.
>>72019311
>You spit on your dead ancestors who fought for freedom against the red plague just like Ukraine is right now, you traitors need to be hanged like all the other antifa scumbags
Yeah, i bet red plague would be proud of me, because i want their ancestors dead, just like ukrainians :^)
>>72019311
Don't bother, you can't change the way some polaks think. I respect their right to hate us. At least they are direct about it and don't bullshit about "slavic brotherhood" like our eastern neighbors. But most of polaks are nice and friendly people anyway.
>>72014458
In 1990 Ameribros left Ukraine in Russian sphere of influence, as a token of gratitude for relativelly quick and easy dismantling of Soviet Union. Russians had no interest in developing the country and wanted it to stay poor and corrupt.
Ukrainians made an attempt to change it during the Bush administration, but their political system was already too fucked up to generate a government not comprised of thieves or retards.
The best thing they can hope for right now is some sort of a neocon in the White House, who will first threaten Putin, but then strike a deal with him. Crimea is lost, so is a large part of eastern Ukraine. But the country itself can still be saved, and maybe even developed.
>>72019316
I think that you confused me with another polish anon. I have nothing against Ukrainians but for now their government is laughable, their industry non existence, economy collapsing, third of the country is full of morons with weapon and everybody is pretending that everything is ok. It's not.
>>72019097
fuck off pajet
>>72018710
Galicia miña terra querida
>>72019210
But that's complete bullshit, the utopian standard of living train would happily be chugging along if the countries remained 98%+ white with SJW's laughed out of the public discourse. Compassion and good feels killed the West, not unsustainable standard of living.
>>72019583
>>72019678
>proving my point
You're retarded
>>72019611
Listen here brother, so long as you fight for your country and freedom of the Russian plague, you have my respect, don't let olgino role playing Kremlin bots like this fake traitorous polack tell you otherwise
>>72017116
>Greece 20 years ago
Ha we are so much superior to these new post-commie shitholes hahahaha fuck you we're the greatest!
>Greece 10 years ago
ahahahaha the slavic shitholes think they will catch up to magnificent Hellas!!! They're subhuman scum who will never match our might!
>Greece now
wtf why are post-commie shitholes richer than us
Same with Portugal, Spain and Italy.
Y'all like to talk about being superior instead of fixing the shit in your own countries.
>>72018385
Why? Generally they've been assholes to us. They also put a battalion near our border to counter our future aggression or whatever even though we renounced our claims to those lands. I don't even know what we ever did to them. The animosity between us and the hungarians is understandable at least.
>>72019311
Do you really think there is an Alternative anymore.
The entire Western World is being blasted with Soviet demoralization propaganda, its a conceited effort to ruin the people who stood/stand the greatest chance for starting successful revolutions.
>>72019817
I can't be retarded if you can't prove it.
>>72019011
>Best scenario for poland in this conflict is happening right now - ukrainans and russians are slaughtering each other. Then i'm sympathetic to both of them.
Disgusting.
You really are the niggers of the slav world second only to Russians.
>>72018321
True Americans wouldn't agree with this statement
>>72019891
>gypsy calling anyone nigger
No horses for you to steal here, go away.
>>72019861
> you post on a lebanese cooking forum
> not retarded.
Lets face it lad, we are all a little bit retarded.
>>72019891
>W-We wuz romans n shiet!
>>72019958
>Lets face it lad, we are all a little bit retarded.
I can agree with that.
>>72019831
Thanks, respect is mutual.
>>72019860
There will always be the national and patriotic way with Christian values
>>72020085
Yes, that's really slavic of you. Better sit in your own jerking circle and ignore reality. Just can't 8 when you build stable country on all of this respect.
Russian genetics
>>72018968
>All the clay they got they turned into shithole
So why exactly is it the Russian half of Ukraine that is the most economically successful?
>>72019855
> They also put a battalion near our border to counter our future aggression
They put a battalion there because there is an old soviet military base and the battalion is an embryo for the 10th mountain brigade. And sorry but we don't have other mountains in Ukraine.
>>72019011
Lol,if we would hate all nations that massacred polish people we would hate half of the world. Grow up. Real life is not a fairy tale.
>>72014458
They took le russophobia meme to seriously, started worshipping dead nazi cucks, fucked up trade with Russia, stayed corrupted regardless of what president they have. Seriously, just look at Belaruse and Kazakhstan, both maintain visa and tariff free agreement with Russia, treat ethnic Russians as fellow citizens, have Russian as second language and they are prosperous. Also hohols are genuinely not very smart.
>>72020223
good luck
>>72020348
>>72020352
It's cool dude we even have Ukrainian refugees from Eastern Ukraine instead of shitskins.
>Ukraine
No such thing.
>>72020455
Relax, i'm just mocking with gypsies. I don't really hate ukrainians, but i'm cool if they're slaughering with russians.
But in reality i don't have any special feelings towards ukrainians.
>>72016903
Actually hohols were richest state in USSR, they had better agriculture and industry then Belarus and Kazakhstan. Farming, climate, access to trade routes, vital production like helicopter parts manufacturing - all was there on better level than in Russia
>>72017023
>>72017116
you guys sure do love to complain about
>muh poverty
entitled fucks
>>72020272
Are you retarded? How did you connect expression of respect with "sit in your own jerking circle and ignore reality"?
>>72020599
>i don't have any special feelings towards ukrainians.
>i just made a thread about how Ukraine is a shithole for nothing
You said I can'g prove you're retarded. I just did.
>>72014458
There is an old saying in Russia:
>Where a hohol has been, two Jews will never find anything
There exists an age old stereotype that Ukranians are always trying to play both sides, never admitting their loyalty to any ideology, always being divided by their future and never fully understanding nor caring about what the fuck is going on around the world, while still trying to keep their asses warm.
Put incredible irresponsibility on a national level and you get a pretty turbulent mix for stability.
Although Russia has no doubt played a huge part in the turmoil that Ukraine has been through, for the most part its their elaborate mismanagement and corruption, coupled with a population of uneducated, idealistic, pseudo-patriotic nationalists that wish for a better life and don't understand that it is their own fault that this vortex has come to be.
TLDR; they have no state idea, they follow abstract targets blindly and refuse to take responsibility for their policies.
>Poortugal
>Greece
How the mighty have fallen.
>>72018967
>Lol, classic Lithuania, sink the boat to kill the captain.
I kek'd
>>72018600
I agree. Cut those shit parts out like a tumour and then join Nato and EU as soon as possible. Then we can start building a beautiful big wall to keep the Russkies out.
>>72020711
>i just made a thread about how Ukraine is a shithole for nothing
I didn't make this thread to piss on them. I'm just curious, why they can't ascend like any other post-soviet countries.
Is this really bad?
>>72018553
Well they are still Russian, so someday we will execute their government officials, war criminals and make Ukraine great again by uniting it with Russia. We still realize they are retarded, but you can't help it, they are like relatives.
>>72020085
I honestly hope both you guys and Moldova will one day join the EU.
The EU may be corrupt and this pseudo-communist shit sometimes gets annoying but it's better than being Russia's bitch.
Remove Russians and corruption and you'll be on your way.
>>72020272
>Just can't 8 when you build stable country on all of this respect.
Implying you faggots rebuilt your country without EU and 'Murican help. Stay classy.
>>72020828
They're having an undeclared war with Russians which totally fucks their economy. They're trying not to suck Russian or EU dick and that's what's happening.
>>72020662
We dindu nuthing
>>72020885
>Implying you faggots rebuilt your country without EU and 'Murican help. Stay classy.
You guys are also in EU, yet you one of the poorest UE counries.
How does it work?
>>72020945
>They're trying not to suck EU dick
>>72020945
Their economy were fucked before.
>>72014458
Cause in Ukraine and Moldova Russians still had their puppets in government. They constantly bribed them and got influence over their countries. While the puppet government were corrupt whole country went to shit. Russia isn't that far from them.
Considering that Russia is rich with many many natural resources their government is pure shit when it comes to economics. Instead of making strong industry based economic backbone they still have this oil/gas export based economy that sinks every time oil prices drops.
>>72019634
This. Ukrainians also can be grateful for based Balcerowicz.
>>72021007
>poorest EU country
Are you pulling this bullshit out your hairy asshole? In 2016 and half of 2015 we have the biggest economical growth, bigger than you.
>>72021120
Then why aren't you rich as us, or czechs?
>>72018968
Well you are even shittier than we are, you are literally worst of Africa tier
>gdp lower than Zimbabwe - check
>corrupted pro west cucks in charge throwing coups all the time, each one makes life shittier somehow
>bloody civil war against your own people
>at odds with all neighbors due to being a war torn shithole which worships mass murderers
>little industry, all the richest regions are close to Russia
>no economical growth in sight
>destroyed relationship with your biggest friend and trade partner
>the only thing you export is whores and extra cheap labour, most of it going to RUSSIA AND POLAND
>>72021035
This.
The whole "revolution" and "war" started because the plebs went apeshit about a memeU treaty.
They are fucking their own mothers on the funeral bed to get sum mad jewbucks from the memeU.
>>72020978
He wa a good boy. He wa getting dis degrees and goin to school. He just needed some funds that's all.
>>72021007
You can't be this retarded.
You can't honestly believe that everyone gets an equal share of EU money.
The interest in your country was just greater.
>>72020945
Wake me up when we have to attend to this war. Or will they try to claim victory because other side didnt attend?
They are fighting themselves. Thats why their economy is in ruins. There is no imaginable step Ukrainian politics did not /would not take to make things worse. If there is, you just have to wait for it to become reality.
>>72020885
Too much feels is good when you fuck your girlfriend not when you run country. Wherever money come's from we are not nearly as fucked as Ukraine so talk whatever you want, I will just wipe my tears with heaving some fucking perspective for future.
>>72021240
Bigger corruption and our justice system against corruption was shit. We're working on it. Just you wait a few more years.
>>72020722
Another one. One hohol is a partisan, two a guerrilla squad, a guerilla squad with traitor
>>72021304
>>72021418
And bad romanian gov is a pooland problem?
You guys should start choosing better gov, instead implying anyone around you a retardation. Our gov isn't perfect either, but we still working on it.
>>72021259
>extra cheap labour, most of it going to RUSSIA AND POLAND
My mom works in HR department in big factory. They hire temp work agencies to find workers for them. They hire ukrainians aswell as poles, the factory pays agency 16PLN for an hour of work done. Agency pays 10PLN/hour for poles and 6PLN/hour for ukrainians.
xD
>>72021259
Do you understand that you are little less shittier than us only because of enormous oil and gas export? Our economical systems are the same, based on bribery and nepotism and if you don't change it you have no future? With all the amount of income you got from selling resources in last 15 years you could have been as developed europeans but you chose to live in shit, so you are not in position to teach us. Ok?
>>72021574
Who said it's your problem? You asked why we're not as rich and I answered your question.
>>72021418
well this is true, Romania is growing really nicely they even overtook us, when the retarded commies started playing Greece in the 00s and steered us into a total economic crash and huge debt
communism kids, not even once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMszIz0TESo
>>72021600
No surprise here, agencies in netherlands, switzerland, germany etc. are doing same thing to poles, and company.
>>72021642
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. With the amount of shit we sold we should have been like Dubai.
>>72021642
They are 2-3 times less shittier than you, not just a little bit less desu
>>72014458
Inaccurate, Germany has nowhere near net wage of 2100€.
>>72021671
But before that, you were saying that our country was rebuilt only thanks to EU and murican help.
And i just asked a question, why you can't do the same thing?
>>72021832
That wasn't me but to answer your question, no, it's not your problem.
>>72018710
I'd so fucking rename Ivano-Frankivsk to STANISLAWOW(former name). Much better name.
>>72021798
Where do you live?
>>72021600
Only whores cheaper than Ukranians are central Asian ones here.
>>72021763
If you are 2-3 times richer than a bum, you are still a bum.
>>72019011
Yeah okay dude you massacred Ukranians during conquest and when Ukranians massacre YOUR population on THEIR land you're fucking butthurt?
>>72021574
>but we still working on it.
So are we. And I didn't say anything about gov.
I just said the EU had greater interest in developing your country than they did in developing Romania, Bulgaria and even the bozgors.
>>72022129
It doesn't work like that. Hohols would delight at the thought of being in shit if only Russians are there with them
>>72022136
I think that problem is not sins of the past, I mean every nation did something bad in the past, but their love for fascist murderers like Bandera.
>>72022221
You are wrong, we would be delighted to be as far from you as possible and see you only in our nightmare dreams.
My country was doing really well before the goddamn kikes crashed the economy back in 2008. We never truly recovered.
>>72022343
That's why Ukrainians are largest group of immigrants in russia for two years
>>72022324
You mean the faggots that are paid by jewish biillionaire Kolomojskyj? And are named after the former jewish province AZOV? Okay dude just get to know your shills.
>>72022324
Why do you care about who we love and consider national heroes? You have a lot of heroes who slaughtered ukrainians in the past and I don't give even a slightest shit about it, what's wrong with you?
>>72021674
We haven't overtaken you per capita but we might in like a decade if the same growth rates continue. Then again it's pretty amazing that our per capita GDP is this high considering half the country effectively does not work (I'm not talking about children and old people but rural folk who more or less just do subsistence agriculture).
>>72022617
If we don't start fucking there will be no more Romanians.
>>72022439
Are you kidding? Donbass is 50% russian and another 25% of ukrainians consider themselfs russians. What you got in past two years is your russkie bros which commies sent to dombass during industrialization.
>>72022606
In my opinion you can worship fucking Genghis Ghan, I just told him why some Poles have problem with you people.
But to be honest I probably wouldn't like to have anything in common with your moronic nationalists.
>>72022763
Dont worry. The gypsies will take the flag and carry on your legacy through the ages.
>>72020860
This. As much as it's fun to laugh at each other, don't bully our retarded little brothers too much.
>>72019848
Italy is in debt but it is still one of the richest european country.
Bad state management and actual wealth are 2 very different things.
>>72014458
>AIDS in Estonia
Brav-no Estonia.
>>72022984
Most gypsies are moving to West because there's no gibsmedat here.
>>72022352
That's true. But wasn't slow recover the fault of Milanović? He with hes socialist reforms slowed GDP growth very much.
>>72023127
Well played. Maybe they will share Sweden with sandnigers?
>>72022972
That's mutual, your nationalist aren't my number one group to deal with. But tbqh never heard from our nationalist bitching about your heroes that killed ukrainians, actually never heard them talking about Poland at all.
>>72023233
Oh Swedes can only hope...
>>72022548
Unfortunately half of the country now worships war criminals and not just one meme battalion. For fuck's sake, their new national motto "glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes" is the motto those scum used during WW2.
>>72022763
And nobody is going to miss you.
>>72022778
>Donbass is 50% russian and another 25% of ukrainians consider themselfs russians
Judging by Crimean referendum it's more like 97% friend. Besides, I know a lot of people from West Ukraine, even the girl from HИКOГДA MЫ HE БУДEM БPATЬЯMИ went to work at Moscow, too bad nobody told her she'll be a whore there like the rest of female ukranians
>>72017907
OH YES!
>>72023303
My nationalist aren't my favourite group too and we also don't talk about Ukraine very much so better leave it there. I don't wish you bad, much more prefer my neighbour to be strong and maybe you don't believe me I really think that slavs should hold together. I just don't see any perspective to stabilize Ukrainian situation in the future and it concerns me. So I asked about it and everybody react like I was suggesting to nuke you out of planet.
>>72022439
>Ukrainians
>get invaded by dickbag ruskie government
>for the two years the occupation has been going on " Ukrainians " have been moving to Russiastan in massive numbers
Those are called traitors and Russiboos anon
>>72014458
>implying Belarus is doing better
>>72014458
Lel look at this "European"
No sign of intelligence, just nigger-level hatred for a country that is literally at the same level as his
At least Ukrainian men are getting fighting experience from the war, unlike pasty-ass Poles
You are truly pathetic
>>72022606
We get lit of commie polish recently posting here, dunno why
I'm just blaming Soros out of habit now
>>72023461
OUN-B literally did nothing wrong. Bandera was a good boy. Everything is the fault of those semi-Asiatic Moskals, don't you know?
>>72023461
>Unfortunately half of the country now worships war criminals
Oh the irony :^D
>>72023805
>polish commie
kek
>>72014458
Hey Wizard Merlin, please remember shitcountries like Iran have low HIV rates on paper because they don't give a fuck about healthcare and reportiging.
>>72023806
>semi-Asiatic
Why semi?
>>72023806
desu the Russian narrative that Ukraine hadd a Fascist coup looks ridicoulous they had a pro Western kike coup. Their governmnet is just kikes of the most obvious and cringe variety. Like this one.
>>72023588
>Judging by Crimean referendum
What does this referendum has to do with dombass? I'm not even saying that referendum had nothing to do with reality. Even during yanukovich era with all of falsification and administrative resource prorussian parties got near 75% in dombass. So the reallity of dombass is something like 30 proua and 70 prorussian. And in the end frontline actually divided them pretty much correctly.
>girl from HИКOГДA MЫ HE БУДEM БPATЬЯMИ went to work at Moscow
That's a lie.
>>72023806
I know. :(
>tfw being a Mongol unlike pure Aryan proto-Ukrs
>>72023746
No, these are real Ukranians, their corrupt USA backed coup government started the war and destroyed that was left of economy. Those are traitors, as well as Nazi-boos and EU cucks.
>>72023046
Make sure you pay your jizya/non-muslim tax to Ramzan Kadyrov in a week, Ivan!
>>72024090
Dont worry
>poland had a better economy than poortugal
I accept it
>>72023702
>I just don't see any perspective to stabilize Ukrainian situation in the future and it concerns me
Israel exists in a constant military crisis and they are doing okay, besides in 70s they were a socialistic populistic shithole. South Korea was a huge shithole with 10% of population having tuberculosis after the war. Constant crisis also creates strong leaders and new ideas, so nothing is certain about Ukraines future. We may fail, we may succeed, god only knows. But I like these uncertainty much more than russian or belorusian stability.
>>72024090
Isn't it nice how Ukrainians become brethren with Chechens, Turks, Crimean Tatars, ISIS and any other jihadi scum?
By the way, are you even allowed to post here by your Shariah police, Muhammad?
>>72024215
>being this cucked
>>72024073
>Nazi-boos
There are tons of documentaries of Russian Neo-nazis executing people like they are ISIS, lel.
>>72024354
That's kind of funny.
Because we are just like 26 years old now, and poortugal and grease had more time to develop than poland.
How this is even possible, that countries with at least 75+ years of developing are worse than a country with a 26 years old economy?
>>72017116
>borrow relentlessly for decades
>don't work
>don't pay taxes
>lie about debts
"Holup were is da gibs? Da EU is holding da Greek man down"
>>72024485
Link?
>>72024485
Bandera worshiping Right Sector scum aren't people.
>>72024485
>There are tons of documentaries of Russian Neo-nazis executing people like they are ISIS, lel.
Those people are not white therefore not people, while Russians, Czech and Poles Bandera killed were.
>>72024442
>Israel exists in a constant military crisis and they are doing okay
Israel also has a priveliged position in international politics and a fuckload of financial and military help from America. I doubt Ukraine will get any of those.
It's because people in that country just don't care about their future.
>>72014458
Dude, remeber. Geopolityka~
>>72014458
>>72014506
I feel bad for them. War, revolution and shit like that can turn country in shithole in few years.
>>72024566
Because they didn't develop but instead just leached on the EU without building anything with the money and evading taxes. So they just chilled for a couple of decades really, and when they couldn't pay interest anymore nobody would lend them money and there you have countries with a pile of debt and no infrastructure or work ethic.
>>72024609
>Bandera worshiping Right Sector scum aren't people.
You are right, they are not. But don't forget that more than 50% of your countrymen worship Stalin and he was much bigger war criminal.
My point is - don't be a hypocrite.
>>72014506
Poland best Soviet country confirmed
Czechoslovakia is basically Germany
Superpower by 2020
>>72024887
>You are right, they are not. But don't forget that more than 50% of your countrymen worship Stalin
Where did you get these stats? Lithuanian Baltic pro-EU state TV 24/7? Everybody I know thinks Stalin was an asshole.
>>72024478
>Crimean Tartars
>some tiny tribe being part of ISIS
>Chechens
>Pro-Russian Kadyrov enforces Sharia law
>Turks
>A secular state is the same as ISIS
>By the way, are you even allowed to post here by your Shariah police, Muhammad?
Nice aversion of answering, lmao.
>>72024887
Stalin did many things, a lot of bad, a lot of good, while Bandera and his "heroes" only genocided civilians.
There may be people who love Stalin, there may be people who like Hitler, but do you see our government officially "worshiping" Stalin and making him our main national hero?
>>72024887
>My point is - don't be a hypocrite.
Kek senpai.
Because it shares a border with Russia and is basically an extension of Russia
>>72014458
Ukranian guys are really hot tho :^)
>>72024609
>>72024639
So you can be ultranationalist, racist neo-nazis but if anything "Russophobic" meets your vision, you get salty and go >MUH BANDERA.
Nice double standard there.
>>72014458
too many jews => high corruption
>>72017116
>Watch documentary on Grease and it's debt
>Borrow more money than you actually need
>End up with surplus
>Build things like a £2bn metro service in an area where about 8 people live
Remember when the Sultan of Brunei (or his brother) went totally crazy with their money (buying 3 yachts and calling them Tits, Nipple 1 and Nipple 2, silverplated boiled egg sandwiches, gold plated pool, snooker and chess sets that were never used etc)? It was literally like that except it was a group of people who were meant to know what they were doing. Do you remember that Simpsons episode when the school gets oil and they go in one buy one and give Skinner their ideas and he just approves everything? It was like that except it was real life. Incredible.
>>72025193
You're fucking stupid m8. I never claimed that they are "a part of ISIS", just that Ukrainian government declared them all their "brother" nations and not Russians which is a bit funny to say the least. The pic you posted are Ukrainian battalion that fought in Chechnya against us, not Kadyrov you retard.
>>72025409
>you can be ultranationalist, racist neo-nazis
Hate to break /pol/ memes for you, but we aren't. We hate all nazifucks, Bandera included.
>>72025409
>implying the tryzub wasn't a Khazar Turkic tamgha
>implying the Muscovite eagle wasn't adopted from the Byzantines
Shitty b8, m8.
>>72024887
Latvian-Russian Union shill detected.
>>72025342
That is like stating we have a border with France, so we are extension of France.
Have fun in your council house cuck-shed.
>>72025233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-blLrWj7JHw&has_verified=1
>>72024590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV4v31azgQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZ8hBWNHKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUC-JM_f7qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANOLO1uK7ts&has_verified=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgx6CWXbcTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Jges14iWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyGnwAdvsCU
>>72017337
>When the West swooped in with their so-called "shock therapy",
we were much better before soviets then during them
>>72014458
Karma for upa, bandera, SS and slaughtering wola wwa
>>72018600
my father died in donetsk and my uncle took me to germany
>>72025924
>>72025995
>>72026137
Looks like you are all the same, but with multiple government provided VPNs.
>>72025167
>Everybody I know thinks Stalin was an asshole.
Apparently not the people who celebrate hes birthday every year near Kremlin. Also recent study in march where people in 42 different regions were asked their opinions about Stalin and about 40 per cents said he did right things. 60% of all respondents said he was smart leader. And about 50% of all respondents said He was tyrant. This question was asked to 1600 people.And it was done by agency AFP.
>>72025286
In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal declared the Waffen-SS to be a criminal organization, making an exception of people who had been forcibly conscripted. Throughout the post-war years, the Allies would apply this exception to the soldiers of the Latvian Legion and the Estonian Legion. The US Displaced Persons Commission in September 1950 declared that:
"The Baltic Waffen SS Units (Baltic Legions) are to be considered as separate and distinct in purpose, ideology, activities, and qualifications for membership from the German SS, and therefore the Commission holds them not to be a movement hostile to the Government of the United States."
Even before this decision, around 1,000 former Latvian Legion soldiers had served as guards at the Nuremberg Tribunal, guarding Nazi war criminals. Afterwards, during the Berlin Blockade, they took part in securing Allied facilities involved in the Berlin Airlift and later also were guarding USA Army headquarters.
>>72025218
Doesn't matter what was the good things Stalin did. When you have killed that many people, when you have sanctioned so many murders and deportations and imprisonments in GULAG. Then you don't deserve to be remembered as good person but as satanic piece of shit.
>>72019293
>JAMAL
kek
>>72026275
And?
>>72026094
>Latvian-Russian Union shill detected.
read ->>>72026332
and >>72021061
>>72026282
the fuck you talking about teaman
>>72026282
On the contrary, judging by your arguments looks like you're a cockhole or a self-hating cuck from /po/rasha with a proxy.
>>72025924
Have you got any actual, you know, reliable sources, like the actual government or an international expert? No, you just have 1 shitpost. ;)
>>72026435
>>72026487
You look the same (pic related) really, it's difficult to see the difference. topkek
>>72026717
Nah the fuck you are talking about, srsly i don`t get your point. You think i`m some kind of russian troll cause i h8 these dirty ukrainians ? gr8 m8
>>72026880
Anybody who criticizes Ukraine for anything at all is a Kremlin shill trying to resurrect the USSR. Ukrainian media actually claimed Putin paid the voters in the Netherlands referendum.
>>72026880
what you need to do right now
;)
>>72027025
>paid the voters
Pretty much all politicians pay voters with "promises", and I'm sure billionaires like Putin and Soros would do something like this.
>>72014458
>ukraine
no such thing
>>72027025
>Ukrainian media actually claimed Putin paid the voters in the Netherlands referendum.
Well that wouldn't be the first time. I remember when they got
caught when they sent money to propagandize our language referendum. Their ambassador was
caught with 2 millions in hes briefcase. That was sweet.
>>72024879
More like Central Europe sit on a shitload of ressources while Southern Europe has literally nothing
Blaiming this only on their attitude is naive, this topic is complex as fuck
>>72027215
>poland
>not part of prussia
>>72026717
Most of the sources are in Russian or Ukrainian, so whatever.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/04/20/un-security-council-must-defend-the-crimean-tatars-parubiy/
>our Crimean Tatars brothers
>You look the same
No, it can't be. We are dirty Asiatic Mongols, while Ukraine is Europe, the most ancient race and the founders of human civilization.
>>72027465
>UK
>not 51 state of US
>>72015505
Indeed... l e l
>>72014506
Look at hungayri ... LELELELELELEL
>>72027025
The fuck
I`m pole m8, how could i even think of resurrecting ussr. They harmed us more than germs in the IIWW. Communism is the worst fucking system on earth ever made. Personally i`d nuke all cyka countries like russia and ucraine. Ucraine is even worst because russia at least don`t give a singe fuck about us while dumb ucrainian nationalist pray to their fucking bandera wich was one of the main b0sses in this upa-shit-related organisations. Young ucrainians have fucking complex, they want to worship and adore they national historical heroes butt they don`t have ones. Only murderers and fucking soviets. Young faggots are making songs like "poland must clean ucrainian shoes". 2bad they are ever poorer than us.They all are like old post-ussr poles wich are dumb and are making this country even bigger shithole by don`t giving a fuck about anything in this country. Only sittin on the fucking welfare or working for the lowest salary and voting for PO/PiS.
P.S kill urself, you n` this brit
>>72027510
>No, it can't be. We are dirty Asiatic Mongols
You know very good that on this side of Ural most Russians are white Europeans. And only on the east side of Urals live mongoloid rape babies.
>>72027131
>Britishman plead on UE
Brilliant
>>72028079
He was sarcastic, hes actually laughing about Ukrainians.
>>72028079
Fuck mate, and I'm wondering why people don't like us. Go nuke yourself.
>>72020615
Yeah... everything was "exported" to russia. Most of the ruling class were russians and after 1989 russia did everything to sabotage the new state of ukraine just to make it dependent on russia and probably absorb it.
After ww2 you fucking sucked Romania dry of resources through joint russian-romanian enterprises to "better the commerce" with unfair exchange rates and prices.
Fuck off, you are a bunch of stupid thieves.
>>72027025
>Anybody who criticizes Ukraine for anything at all is a Kremlin shill
Burger logic. That's why i hate burgers.
>>72028227
aww, shame on me then :c
>>72028079
>Young faggots are making songs like "poland must clean ucrainian shoes"
You are too self centred, no one gives even a slight shit about Poland and polaks here. You are like absolutely irrelevant, cause you don't posses any threat.
>>72028453
read -> >>72028227
>>72014458
Once again, Norway and Denmark confirmed for best countries. Stay cucked neets.
>>72028143
You should explain that to Ukrainian nationalists who try to base their newly formed national identity on hatred of Russia and cling to any excuse for it.
>>72028477
>he don't know yet
>>72027025
Your baiting skills are so high that you are baiting without bating sir.
>>72023054
and western/southern europeans aren't able to look into the future, this frog here demonstrates that quite clearly
>>72028477
From here where i live (WWL) i see many ucrainians and they don`t assimilate at all. They smell bad, and smell like spirytus @7am. They be behave like sebixy who went to the UK
>>72028343
Idk bout opinions
>>72027025
>Anybody who criticizes Ukraine for anything at all is a Kremlin shill trying to resurrect the USSR.
you can't be serious
>>72023588
>HИКOГДA MЫ HE БУДEM БPATЬЯMИ
What is that ?
Can you post a link with the girl getting rammed ?
>>72028859
What difference does it make if they assimilate or not and how they smell? They are some lowlife economical migrants.
I'm telling you, no one is giving a shit about you and your country here, even nationalist don't care about you.
>>72028227
Poe's law. You can't blame people for thinking he's serious when you have actual acting politicians saying similar things.
>>72028859
You should care, this Ukrainian anon is right - we are irrelevant and also self-centred and that's worse possible mix. If you want to ignore everyone opinion you must be fucking empire. But for now no more retarded rants, ok? Seriously, it's harming all of us.
>>72029176
Well that's true. Especially in Russia when you have politicians like Zirinovski who say all kinds of shit. That guy is just crazy, i don't know who votes for him and why.
>>72029161
They do, don`t bullshit us. Misantrophic division m7, cuz i can`t call you m8. You fucking study on our universities while pissing on our country. Goddamnit i know how brits feel now
>>72028859
>>72028224
>>72028343
>>72028079
>>72027550
>muh jebac UPA bandera they wuz massacre
>muh galicia massacre
This was staged like Sebrenica
>>72029436
>misancuckic division
what you going to do, worship Odin and since this is poland, steal Lithuania's legacy?
lol
>>72029436
>You fucking study on our universities
This is an outrage, the Plunger University should be reserved for Poles only!
>>72029782
>"Oh no, the evil Waffen SS Russohobic gay jewish hohol fascist pro-EU nazis will genocide our university"
lmao
>>72027025
Unbelievable.
We had the Americans, various European countries, the EU of course (several times), and Ukrainians trying to influence the vote. For example, the politicians of the most vocal pro-treaty party were flown into Ukraine for a trip and tour or some companies, paid for by some oligarch.
Those idiots didn't even give the no-camp time to make the corruption argument, they did it for them.
>>72029874
>POLAND STRONK
top krk
>>72029331
>Zirinovski
People vote for him due he is funny, I guess. He can yell incredible shit like Mussolini, I laugh every time when I see his performance.
>>72014458
Man east so poor.
>>72029436
Misanthropic division are a bunch of retards but never heard them saying "poles will lick our shoes" and shit like that.
>You fucking study on our universities while pissing on our country.
Jesus, one retarded student made a photo with red-black flag in Poland, most likely even was to retarded to know how polaks feel about it, and that means that ukrainians want to occupy Poland and make polaks "lick their shoes". You seriously believe that?
For the love of god, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU HERE. NO ONE WANTS YOU TO LEAK OUR SHOES. We have much bigger problems than some ancient history.
>>72029698
Are you aware that I wasn't even talking about UPA or Bandera? Common, you can't be that stupid.
>>72014458
They're Russians with only some natural resources instead of a shitton
>>72014506
>76
fml...
>>72029782
OMFG my sides. Sorry poles, but this shit is just tooo funny. X^D
>>72030486
Well, it was. When you make stupid argument you deserve to get wrecked.
>>72014458
>Ukraine
no such a thing
>>72017737
>And yet, you still can't BTFO of separatists
well, maybe it's because of
>you can easily buy grenades, rpgs, hell you can even get guided antitank rocket >>72017465
all the weapons are getting stolen and sold at the black market.
I saw a YT documentary (made by some ukrainian journalist) about a group of UA soldiers. They had to live in such shitty conditions (even for ex-USSR standards) that they mutinied and went AWOL to the nearest city and filed a complaint to the district attorney.
They were literally living in utter shit, freezing and without food and it wasn't even at the front, but in the rear, at a military base.
I've seen some shit but that was hardcore...
>>72017465
I recently visited family in kiev and my cousin and her husband moved into a new apartment complex where someone down the block accidentally blew up a hand grenade
