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what is the best way to stop rising fascism?
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Create a society proud of itself and its own ability to survive and not one that relies on the government to keep them safe.
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>>71796928
Stop agitating the populous and vilifying their general identity.

>read: stop importanting people who hate them into their country
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Not trying to be edgy but violence is the only feasible measure against an actual Nazi movement. Once they've started idolizing the most catastrophic failed state in history there's no reasoning with them.
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>>71796929
wouldnt societal pride make ways to patriotism and ultimately fascism?
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We all become Reichians: free love means no more feminism, no more pornography, no more perversions
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Destroy neoliberalism and socialism.
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>>71796929
>stop relying on the law to feel safe
>>71796930
>stop fascism by doing what they want

/pol/ with dates folks
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>>71796928
Actually manage immigration instead of letting everyone who hops the border coming in and causing increasing tension as people are exposed to the obvious shitters screening would have filtered out.
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No platform for fascists to spew their idiocy. Curb stomp the rest.
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>>71796937
Brilliant, to stop the facists, we must become the facists!
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>>71796938
back to /pol/ you emotional memer
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Stop alienating white people.
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>>71796938
You're advocating using violence to suppress political positions you disagree with. That's pretty oppressive.
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fascism is only rising on internet imageboards for neckbeards
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>>71796939
I'm pretty sure being a facist by any other name means you are the one who should >>>/pol/
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>>71796936
why are you and others associating fascism with immigrants? Fascism can be organized to aim political dissidents and minorities
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>>71796943
I said nothing about a merger of state and corporate power anon
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>>71796932
No. Why would fascism develop when a society is already strong and proud?
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>>71796942
>this retard

Check the election trends in Europe in the last 6 years
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>>71796946
gee idk anon maybe because fascism requires pride and patriotism to even start
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>>71796948
Pride and patriotism, yes, but not strength. The ideal of fascism is for a society to put a society in a position of strength and independence. Why would that become an ideal in a society which already has those things?
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>>71796944
The only meaningful increase in reactionary sentiment anywhere is in Europe and coming as a direct consequence of disillusionment with current immigration policy.
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>>71796948
Not really, no.

Fascism takes hold because a nation has no patriotic pride, and people are dissatisfied with this. The fascists show up and fill this vacuum with their own socio-political narrative in which patriotism is synonymous with support for the fascist party.

If there is already an established and widely accepted patriotic tradition, then the efforts of fascist agitators will only serve to get people to rally around the flag and support their current regime.
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>>71796947
>slightly right of center parties with some anti-immigrant policies getting 10% more votes means fascism is rising and literal jack booted storm troopers are going to march through Paris and London soon
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>>71796928
why contain it
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>>71796950
fascism is rising pretty strong here in Brazil and there's nothing to do with immigrants, but to failed politics of the Worker's Party (a center-left that is being confused with extreme left). Every configuration of fascism is a bit different, I guess.
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What's wrong with fascism?
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>>71796952
Slovakia and Greece already elected literal nazis to their parliaments, more countries will follow.
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>>71796929
AVE SPARTA

ONE FUCKING INVISIBLE LINE AT A TIME

HAIL
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>>71796955
>what's wrong with fascism
Wow. I just can't even right now. Get a load of this racist retard. Listen, remember the Holocaust? Remember World War 2? THAT'S what's wrong with Fascism. If you're too stupid to understand how this is problematic, then you literally need to go outside and be educated. Go back to >>>/pol/ you fucking antisemitic racist piece of shit. Don't ever let me see you posting on Reddit again.
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>>71796950
>fascism=reactionary
People fail to remember how avant-garde fascism was. It's silly to associate nationalism with reactionary ideology since it was a fundamental aspect of the French revolution.

Fascism didn't reject modernity, it rejected the liberal and Marxist view of modernity.
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>>71796959
true anon, but again, it used patriotic feelings - even though most of it was based on the past glories, in the case of the nazis
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>>71796959
There are certainly a fair number of reactionaries who consider themselves fascists and vice versa
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>>71796959
I'm not strictly interpreting fascism in any exact terms, I'm simply referring to what phenomena OP I presumed OP was curious about.
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>>71796928
Being even more fascist than fascists.
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>2016
>Thinking fascism didn't die with the war generation

What you're opposed to today is nationalism, populism, authoritarianism, and traditionalism in general. Although the word fascism is still used commonly today, it's lost all meaning and the actual movement itself died in 1945, with many of its goals being achieved by the war causing the mass mobilisation of society, abiet not by peace like many of the theorists wished. Today fascism is nothing more than a buzzword for anything seen as backwards, dictatorial, or oppressive with no real meaning, Orwell explains it best in 'The Poltics of the English language'

>Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another
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>>71796928
what's wrong with fascism
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>>71796938
>denying free speech to people who suppress if not openly genocide other people makes you fascist

Liberalfeels ideology at work
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>>71796961
That doesn't prove anything.

Most of those people are neo-Nazis and they're the least well educated about fascism than any other fascists.

A lot of them praise Pinochet and capitalist leaders like him. It shows how stupid and ideologically confused they are.
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>>71796966
Show me where genocide is a foundational and universal tenet of facist ideology.

I'll wait.
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>>71796964
very interesting, although Umberto Eco would not totally negate the use of the concept and would call it "fascist nebula"
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>>71796928
Political and economic stability
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>>71796965
It's agressive nationalism, built under a totalitarian regime. The people who believe in it actually think it will improve their society. How do you know that you won't get a Mussolini? Even Hitler wasn't that amazing of a leader aside from being a good orator.
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>>71796966
communism killed orders of magnitude more people than fascism
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>>71796969
Eco was a retard.
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>>71796971
Absolute dictatorship is not a fundamental rule of fascism. Fascism itself is really populist as all hell.
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>>71796972
there has never been a communist regime in history, and Stalinism was only a configuration of Socialism
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>>71796972
Communism has also been tried in far more, and far more populous countries
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>>71796975
>
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>>71796975
There has never been a fascist regime in history.

See? I can do it too.
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>>71796972
>Stalin: 20 million people including famines
>Hitler: 20 million civillians in the USSR alone
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>>71796964
I agree, the basis on which fascism came into power is still present, the idea of fascism is however dead
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>>71796978
>Nazism isn't Facism
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>>71796978
no you can't you fucking retard because communism is stateless by definition
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>>71796964
It's weird how lefties use the word fascism to describe literally every right wing movement or politicians, from Franco to Trump.
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By building a cuck shed and letting Abdul and detrayius fuck your wife while raising your wife's son.
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>>71796968
Whether you like it or not, fascism is an ideology that thrives on militancy and scapegoating. What's more is that fascists traditionally uses intimidation or even violence as a method to maintain power.

Taking action against fascists doesn't make you a fascist, if you do it to maintain the rights of other groups, ethnicities, etc.

>>71796972
And capitalism isn't responsible for a single death I suppose? Not in Chile, Afghanistan, Iran, Guatemala, East Timor?
>inb4 crony capitalism
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>>71796983
It's not like righties are any better with the word communist
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>>71796979
>famine victims shouldn't count
>but war casualties should

People who died in WW2 weren't killed by "fascism" or "communism", they were killed by the fucking war.
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>>71796981

Nazism was Fascism
but
Fascism is not Nazism
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>>71796987
>what started the war doesn't count
>what started the famines does
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>>71796989
It's interesting that Soviets managed to kill that many people during peacetime.
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>>71796975
Marxist communism is impossible.

Stalinist communism is still communism.

Deal with it.
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>>71796989
>Stalin wasn't planning an invasion of western europe while germany and britain were bleeding each other dry.

>Barbarossa wasn't preemptive.
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>>71796991
>State capitalism is communism

PURE
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>>71796990
it's not peace when the rest of the world is doing everything it can to fuck your economy
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>>71796992
>a country that killed 11 million people in death camps doesn't deserve to be invaded
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>>71796994
>The rest of the world is why USSR was shit

Nice meme.
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>>71796995
>Unlike the USSR's gulags.
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>>71796996
the USSR wasn't shit
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>>71796997
>something that every country at that time and south korea today still has
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>>71796928
Eliminate the white population. The EU seems to think this is the answer, although it's also causing a national socialist reawakening.
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>>71796958
>are you kidding me?!?!!!111oneone
>guys look at this nazi who wants to kill the world lmao
>remember the holocaust! !! !
>forget the much larger number of deaths caused by communism, you low-IQ antisemite! !!
>forget the fact that virtually every attempted installment of communism has been a massive failure

How's it like being 12?
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>>71796998
It was pure dogshit even by Eastern European standards. Literally people from Hungary and Czechoslovakia used to shake their heads at Soviet poverty.
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>>71797001
>falling for a joke
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>>71796958
Good bait, anon.
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>>71797002
ok it probably was shit but that doesn't excuse Hitler
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>>71796995
>the death camps existed in 1941
>the USSR didn't have plenty of genocide on its hands by 1941
ishygddt
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>>71797000
Nat-socs are such a fucking joke tho.
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>>71797001
>not realizing he was making a parody
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>>71797006
>a country that was going to kill 11 million people in death camps doesn't deserve to be invaded
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>>71797009
>Stalin had a crystal ball
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>>71797009
>punishing thought crimes
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>>71797010
>>71797011
>history is happening now
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>>71797009
If Stalin knew Hitler is going to gas Jews, he would probably send him his own Jews to gas.

Stalin HATED Jews.
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>>71797013
we already know they were both bad anon
Hitler was worse
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>>71796992
He wasn't
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>>71796993
>state capitalism
Is that what we're calling public ownership of the means of production in authoritarian, command economies now?
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>>71797014
On what grounds?

Hitler's death toll was either equivalent or lesser depending on whose numbers you check.
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>>71797017
this is a meme, Hitler killed more people in the USSR than Stalin killed in all
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Behind every fascism there is a failed revolution.
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>>71796985
Nazis maintained that they were using violence against Jews to protect the rights of the German people. You're idea is flawed, tard-card
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>>71797018
Prove it.
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>>71797011
Nothing wrong with that tbqh
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>>71797021
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=soviet+casualties+on+the+eastern+front
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>>71797017
Fuck off Timothy Snyder.
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>>71797016
If the most basic element of socialism, (public ownership of the means of production) is not met, then how can the USSR be called a socialist society? If the state simply controls the means of a production as well as decides what is produced, instead of the workers, can that be called socialism?

>>71797020
As I said, fascism depends on stigmatization and violence, and suppressing "outsiders", does not erode my argument, if anything it strengthens it.
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Define it
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>>71796928
Censor them and keep track of their actions. If any fascist sentiment is detected swift action or punishment is necessary. The elimination of fascists in society must be pursued even at high costs.
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>>71797027
By the way
>only pretending to be retarded
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>>71797023
No, prove that Stalin's death toll was lower than the number genocided or murdered by Hitler's orders.

Because conservative estimates are still ~20 million.
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>>71796955
The problem is that it doesn't work with democracy, which means it will be a dictatorship, which means people will have no freedom to opose the government, which means the people runing the government get to do whatever they want, which means everyone else gets fucked.
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>>71796954
It isn't, really. Anti comunism isn't fascism necessarily.
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>>71797031
i agree but historically it's one of its usual targets, like blacks, jews, gays and overall political adversaries - and have in mind that sometimes "socialist" gets reduced to defending those communities.
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>>71797030
Nonfacist states have democracies where the the people are thoroughly screwed. Why do you presuppose democracy is good?
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>rising fascism

where?
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>>71796956
Nobody gives a fuck about Greece and Slovakia and fascist in both countries are isolated and irrelevant
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>>71797022
Yes, yes it is. Thought is not equivalent to action, and moving towards punishing thought crime justifies everything as those in power need only make the claim.

You cannot honestly take the moral high ground against something like fascism while simultaneously advocating thought crime punishment.
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>>71797035
Incorrect on both accounts.
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>>71796939
>advocates censorship and violence towards political opponents
>accuses others of being /pol/
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>>71796945
>massive censorship and the violent suppression of political opposition has nothing to do with fascism
k
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Anarchism
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>>71796966
>it's alright to be evil to these people because they're evil!
Thanks Himmler.
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>>71797033
I don't. But at least in theory people can do something about it, even if it's just complaining and whining on the internet. In a fascist state even whining can make you get tortured in a basement somewhere.
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>>71797042
Democracy has done virtually nothing to improve many of the foundational ills in western societies, and has given way to little more than corporatism and partisan politics today.

People talk everywhere I go about how there is no acceptable candidate in the coming election here in the US, but do simply don't care and do nothing. No one is more enslaved than those who presume themselves free.
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>>71797001
>polacks in charge of taking a joke
Hitler was right at least about something
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>>71797042
That's not really substantive than, is it?
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>>71797041
>laying down and letting fascists kill people is acceptable because it at least gives me moral high ground and a tingly good feeling!
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>>71797037
I am from Slovakia
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>>71796966
Keeping fascists out of the public discourse is really unhealthy, because you will never truly erase it, you will only make it underground, and in that underground they will create an echo chamber where they never get challenged and get to convince people with the most bullshit arguments because "the media and the school system lied to you", and the people they try to convince will fall for it because they can't refute it, because they didn't think about it, because you didn't let them have that oportunity.

It's like vaccines, you can't erradicate pox by making it illegal, but you can do it by exposing people to it so they build their defenses.
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>>71797046
Murder is already illegal in civilized societies, what does that have to do with politics you memer?
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>>71797047
And your point is?
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>>71797030
>which means the people runing the government get to do whatever they want, which means everyone else gets fucked.
Oh wow that's so different to how things work currently in western countries.
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>>71797034
my pants
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>>71797050
They are isolated and irrelevant force
Nobody cares about fucking Slovakia
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>>71796964
this
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>>71797048
"the facade of fascism is popular believes"
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>>71797040
Anarchism vs Fascism will be humanity's ultimate fight
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>>71797053
>isolated and irrelevant

Not true, they have links to other far right parties in Europe.
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>>71796928
Why?
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>>71797046
Or maybe just keep the fascists out of power without becoming fascists, is that really so hard? Maybe try to refute their ideas with your words rather the censorship and violence, it'd probably do a better job of convincing people too.
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>>71796939
It's called free speech you communist faggot
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>>71797057
So what? Their support peaked and nobody in parliament is willing to work with them

They have no people in parliamentary commitees
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ITT: "anti"-fascists reveal themselves to be the real fascists
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Fascism died in 1945, there is no chance of it ever rising again and the whole "antifascist" meme is just a way for communists and other far-left fanatics to gain relevance and respect.
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>>71797061
>Their support peaked

Also not true, the polls show otherwise, thanks to the more mild nationalist party discrediting itself.
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>>71797061
Every single Slovak party cooperates with similar parties on European level

That's the European Union

Fascists aren't unique
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>>71797062
ITT: people who think they know what fascism is but actually don't
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>>71796954
There is nothing "fascist" about the opposition in Brazil. Their ideology is basically recycled "udenismo", for better or for worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Union_%28Brazil%29

It is pro-coup, elitist and histerically anti-communist? Yes. But not fascist.
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>>71796958
I know this is bait
But what happened in WWII is literally the worst case scenario consequence of fascism
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>>71797059
If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over … People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests
- Franz Frison, Holocaust survivor, 12th December, 1988

"Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement." - Adolf Hitler
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>>71796975
Just fuck off you humongous piece of shit
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>>71797068
Nazi Germany wasn't even fascist, though.
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>>71797069
I can assure you that having outlawed it would have been equally meaningless in that situation, and people would only have been that much more vulnerable for lack of exposure.
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>>71797062
The Marxists and anarchists are pretty headfucked people, not because they're against fascism, but because they label even non-fascists as fascist if it conveniently suits them.

Having grown up in Eastern Europe, everyone right of Brezhnev was called a fascist by the media and the politicians. Reagan, Pinochet, Franco, Batista, everyone.
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>>71796971
The last century has shown us that there are a lot worse things than ending up with a Mussolini
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>>71797072
Outlawing them isn't enough, fascists do not care about the legality of their actions.

As Trotsky said: "If you can't convince a fascist, acquaint their head with the pavement"
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Fascism as an historical phenomenom could only have happened because the "Establishment" in countries like Germany and Italy was still conservative in the 1920s, so when brownshirts and communists fought in the streets the commies would be jailed for a long time while the fascists were released with a slap on the wrist. Make no mistake, this is the ONLY reason why such a fringe violent ideological movement managed to take power, the cooperation of the existing judiciary and police.

In the world we live today, there is no chance of this ever happening. Even saying something like "I think we have too many immigrants" already get the police at your door. Heck, protesting against rape by North African gangs in Cologne attracted more police than the North African gangs themselves. It's literally impossible for fascism to rise again.

Antifascism and SJWs though have a lot of potential of becoming just like the fascists, seeing how their violence is condoned by the powers that be.
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>>71797073
Yeah, they used to overdo it

Stalin before the WWII used to call social democrats social fascists

If SPD and KPD united against Hitler it could've turned out differently
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>>71797076
To be fair communism also managed to get big when the establishment was conservative.
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>>71797078
Where? In Russia at least what abetted the rise of Bolshevism was Kerensky's policy of "no enemies to the left".
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>>71797077
>ywn live in a reality where Stalin didn't take power
>ywn live in a reality where the USSR was a successful example of socialist tenants
>ywn live in a reality where the USSR aided Rosa's revolution in Germany
>ywn live in a reality where the revolution was global

it hurts
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>>71797079
Everywhere.

There wasn't a country in Europe without some massive communist movement, as a matter of fact fascists generally started to gain traction in opposition to the pre-existing communist movements.
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>>71797078
Well the people never really supported them that much, ironically despite their name, the Bolsheviks were the minority after the Mensheviks merged with the Jewish Bund.
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>>71797080
It would be just as shit as ours if not moreso, keep dreaming,
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>>71797080
It would be just as shitty, if not worse. The reason why you fantasize about losing revolutions is because they never had the chance to show how terrible they could become.

PS.: The USSR did try to aid the revolutionaries in Germany, too bad for them BASED Poland was inbetween to stop it.
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>>71797080
Stalin was the one who fixed Soviet economy, like him or not (I certainly don't). Lenin and Trotsky were low IQ fucks who literally couldn't get a single thing right.
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>>71797080
The Soviets aided those Jews alright, by sending them weapons and shit.
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>people think fascism "just happens"
I know you faggot Marxists use it as this spooky bad guy boogeyman, but fascism is a reactionist ideology TO Marxism. Marxism creates fascism by Marxists being so terrible abd shitty they go to the other extreme.

How do you stop fascism? Leave regular old Liberal societies alone.
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>>71797071
This forever
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>>71797071
>>71797073
You can literally say the same thing about the way the right labels leftists as communists. You could even remake the chart in the same fucking way.

Put in it Mexican zapatists, the American democratic party, Scandinavian social-democracy, latin-american populism, the curds fighting Turkey and ISIS, communal pre-industrial societies... You get the gist of it. Then just put a retarded face wearing a suit and a hat with a pin that reads "Von Mises Institute" or some other caricatural thing and you're set.

>>71797067
>pro-coup
>elitist
>hysterically anti-communist

You forgot to add these:
>drunk with agressive nationalism
>poor-hating
>white supremacist (in the bizarre way this happens in Brazil)
>homophobic and sexist
>christian-fundamentalist
>annoyed by disabled people on public spaces and jobs
>hero-seeking
>enthralled by passionate speeches of internal enemies
>fond of the military and of the dictatorship period
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>>71797071
>le rage comic
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>>71796928
Fascism only develops as a reaction to weak failing societies as a desperate measure to save them

and it works in that respect every time.


also eliminate communists since they are the cancer cells
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>>71796928

Let it rise so that it's a confrontation of ideologies. Two go in, one comes out. Confrontation of ideology is the only thing that keeps stagnation at bay.
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>>71797087
You can't leave liberal societies alone. Liberal means change. There is no magic way to stay in the golden zone. It is a pendulum. I for one am happy to be here, at the part where it starts swinging back. Blood and iron.
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>>71796959
people also forget the number of women who were in prominent positions in every fascist movement

its the attempt to break free of the forced dichotomy of left and right
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>>71796934
Fuck you and fuck the barcode future
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>"And what have we now in Germany? A land of bankers and car-makers. Even our great army has gone soft. Soldiers wear beards and question orders. I am not ashamed to say I believed in National Socialism. I still wear the Iron Cross with diamonds Hitler gave me. But today in all Germany you can't find a single person who voted Adolf Hitler into power. Many Germans feel guilty about the war. But they don't explain the real guilt we share — That we lost."

You will never have a qt test pilot fly a scout plane and land it successfully in the middle of Berlin during the final days of war, come to your bunker and beg on her knees, tears in her eyes to allow her to evacuate you to safety.
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>>71797089
>drunk with agressive nationalism

I disagree. They may use Brazil national football team jerseys, but the movement is not characterized by nationalism. Quite the opposite, one common argument against the Brazilian opposition is that they are "entreguistas", they just want to give away the nations resources and government-owned companies to multinational corporations. That's not something a fascist would endorse.

>poor-hating
>white supremacist (in the bizarre way this happens in Brazil)

I did say they were elitist, but it's more subtle and complex than merely "poor hating" or "white supremacist". The typical way the Brazilian elite is racist is by saying that "races don't exist" or that "Brazil is a racial democracy", not by trying to separate races and establishing de jure white supremacy as in the United States or South Africa.

>homophobic and sexist
>christian-fundamentalist
>annoyed by disabled people on public spaces and jobs

Now you are just eating government propaganda.

>hero-seeking
>enthralled by passionate speeches of internal enemies

This is not exclusive to the Brazilian opposition. It's something very typical of Latin American politics overall, just see how Venezuelans treat Hugo Chávez legacy.

>fond of the military and of the dictatorship period

That's only a minority, though a loud one.

Now, you should realize that I'm not sympathetic to the Brazilian opposition, but your cartoonistic characterization of them does not do them justice. It's quite sad that Brazilians have forgotten "udenismo" and what it used to mean and just call everyone to the right of PT "fascist" nowadays.
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>>71797093
>Liberal means change
Liberal means freedom. And freedom means leaving each other alone.

However since there will always be authoritarian stooges any periods of freedom will be short lived.
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>>71796928
Explain why it's illegal to murder people
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>>71796932
Fascism comes out of inadequacy and loss
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>>71797096
Didn't she get BLACKED?
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>>71796965
It's unsustainable
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>>71797097
Well, you seem to be well-acquainted with HUE politics, so let's look at each of your points with concrete examples that you probably know:

>entreguismo
I'm not saying that the political articulators are necessarily nationalists in the full sense of the word, I'm saying that they're using nationalist discourses and iconology to make their supporters "drunk" with this passionate, agressive feeling of "my great nation"

>elitism vs. white supremacy
>homophobia, sexism
>christian-fundamentalism
Here we clearly disagree on the relevance and reach of discourses of men such as Marco Feliciano and Jair Bolsonaro (yes, I know I'm beating on a dead horse using these two as examples, but they're the most iconic/ the ones that are known in a country-wide range).
To me they're dangerous orators who are getting out of hand.

>Latin Americna politics, heroes and internal enemies
I don't know if this is even restricted to Latin America. Every movement that sways large numbers of people tends to rely on heroes, unless it's openly impersonal. Internal enemy frenzies also transcend latin america, such as in the american red fear.
This is not exclusive of Brazil, or exclusive of textbook fascism, it's just an element common to both.

Yes, I do comprehend your position, anon, but while I can concede that not all Brazilian opposition is "fascist", I'll have to disagree with you and keep my opinion that there is, indeed, a fascist cancer in it that's expanding and re-shaping the core of the right-wing opposition's agenda.
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>>71796928
eh, just let it happen
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By destroying socialism and everything else that is leftist.
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>>71797101
Is that a question?

Are you seriously implying any woman has the willpower to resist the BBC? That all of a woman supposed convictions will not evaporate the first time she sees that anaconda?
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>>71797094
Who is this androgynous:

Fluid Fascist?
Anal Authoritarian?
Nuttable Nationalist?
Cummy Corporatist?
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>>71796939
back to tumblr you tyrannical cunt
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>>71796966
you have it mixed up there pal
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Fascism will continue as long as people can manufacture imaginary threats and react to them accordingly.
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>>71796954
>PT is center left
>basically a brach of Sao Paulo Forum founded by Lula and Castro which included the FARCS as a member
>most of its members are blatantly communists
>supports MST and former guerrilla groups
>uses gramscian strategy to conquer cultural hegemony

Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up. Also, don't confuse conservatism with fascism, you stupid leftist, psudointelectual; workers party and PCdoB are much more fascist than its opposition.
Go smoke your pot and stop opining about things you obviously don't understand.
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>>71796928
Kill all the marxists. No communism means no Fascism. If there weren't any fires then there wouldn't be any fire extinguishers.
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>>71797112
Honestly this. Fascism exists only as a reaction to marxism and marxist offshoot ideologies, every single country that went fascist only did so because there was a threat from the leftists.
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There's no point in fighting fascism unless it's the genocidal Nazism-type. As long as you're not a Commie, everything will be fine.
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>>71796928
embrace real liberalism. empower the individual.
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>>71796928
The real question is how do we effectively enable fascism?

Performing a successful military coup in any society is nearly impossible these days; we must look to the people's uprising as a source of power.

It will come. The collective geist will realise that in order to save Western society, the West must rise up in secular nationalism and imbue itself with authoritarian power - it will save the West and subsequently the world.
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>>71796935
And protecting your identity is bad somehow?
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