Can we FINALLY ban guns now?
PLEASE
>>71751578
No.
>>71751578
No, fuck off
>>71751578
No.
Also where is your argument?
>>71751578
Since I am Eruopean - no.
No. Go buy one.
>>71751578
>Italians
Attention /pol/
It is time we stepped in to help America.
Sign the petition, no email verification needed.
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/ban-assault-weapons
123,505/125,000 signatures So close.
Glad to help America :^)
>>71751578
No.
Also, you're a faggot
>>71752022
Not gonna happen muhammed, take your hashtag faggotry elsewhere
>>71751578
No.
>>71752221
Shillary Clinton says otherwise
No
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
>Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
>Upon interviewing convicted felons, these researchers found that
>74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, due to fears of being shot
>57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police
>40% of the felons had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed
You sure can, OP. But first, you'd better go get an AR so you can be prepared to replace losses on your side of the ensuing civil war.
>>71751578
Go fuck yourself.
15,000+ Police surveyed on Gun Control. Turns out they dont like gun control much and feel safer when citizens are armed.
Article
http://www.policeone.com/corporate-profile/press-releases/6188461-PoliceOne-com-Releases-Survey-of-15-000-Law-Enforcement-Professionals-about-U-S-Gun-Control-Policies/
PDF with all the questions asked to officers and results:
https://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf
Link to picture with some of the results if you dont want to see the whole PDF
http://i.imgur.com/XhnFy6C.jpg
![50419713[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4ncHNiR.jpg "50419713[1].jpg")
>>71752393
>>71752512
86 percent feel the currently proposed legislation would have no effect or a negative effect on improving officer safety
Similarly, 92 percent feel that banning semi-automatic firearms, or “assault weapons,” would have no effect or a negative effect on reducing violent crime
Demonstrating the opinion that the best way to combat gun crime is through harsher punishment, 91 percent said the use of a firearm while perpetrating a crime should lead to a stiff, mandatory sentence with no plea bargains. Likewise, 59 percent believe increasing punishment severity for unlicensed dealers would reduce crime
Respondents were more split on background checks, with 31 percent agreeing that mental health background checks in all gun sales would help reduce mass shootings, while 45 percent disagreed
71 percent support law enforcement leaders who have publicly refused to enforce more restrictive gun laws within their jurisdictions
82 percent believe gun buyback or turn-in programs are ineffective in reducing the level of gun violence
91 percent support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or have not been deemed psychologically incapable
Likewise, 80 percent feel that legally-armed citizens would likely have reduced the number of casualties in recent mass shooting incidents
38 percent believe the biggest cause of gun violence in the United States is the “decline in parenting and family values”. This was trailed by “overly lax parole and short sentencing standards” at 15 percent and “pop culture influence” (eg. violent movies and video games) at 14 percent
>>71751690
>>71751733
>>71751761
great rebuttal amerishots
you should probably go outside and see how broken your country is, then get shot by an AR-16
>>71752357
Her going after manufacturers and dealers will be the downfall of her already flawed campaign. NRA will crush her and Trump will clean up the mess
>>71752577
>AR-16
Are you, retarded?
http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware
http://ivn.us/2012/07/23/doj-study-fails-show-1994-assault-weapons-ban-worked/
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/WP-Tough-Targets.pdf
>64% of gun control advocates believe the incorrect assumption that gun crime has gone up
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/64_who_favor_more_gun_control_believe_gun_crime_has_gone_up
>53% of Americans oppose stricter gun laws
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2014/53_oppose_stricter_gun_control_laws"
>64% of Americans believe it would be bad if only the government had guns
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/64_think_it_would_be_bad_if_only_government_had_guns
>62% of Americans believe that the government wouldn't fairly enforce gun laws
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/62_don_t_trust_government_to_fairly_enforce_gun_control_laws
>74% of Americans believe that the Constitution allows them to own a gun.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/74_think_americans_have_constitutional_right_to_own_a_gun
>>71752577
See
>>71752459
>>71752512
>>71752532
>>71752669
>>71752730
>AR-16
I only hope you're trolling
>>71752654
>>71752577
kek, that is fantastic.
![new_war_armaments__ar16_series_rifles_by_brandokid25-d7ami8j[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O5Oh0E4.jpg "new_war_armaments__ar16_series_rifles_by_brandokid25-d7ami8j[1].jpg")
>>71752654
>>71753205
None of this shit makes any sense
>>71753205
>Any looney can just up and buy one of these in Wall Mart tm
it will never change, too much money to be made. Meanwhile more innocent kids will die from gunnuts let loose
>>71753526
>>>71753205
>>71753205
>>Any looney can just up and buy one of these in Wall Mart
>a gun that was only made into a prototype
>>71753526
Kys faggot
>Yes goy, the government will protect you.
>>71752577
>those parents
You know that's just natural selection
>>71753205
It's a prototype you nitwit
>>71752965
Is Carol Roth based? Piers got BTFO, but then it's not too hard to do that.
![IMG_0009_s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bNWuphC.jpg "IMG_0009_s[1].jpg")
>>71753901
Lets hope it stays that way, don't need more kids killing kids because they don't get pussy at school.
>>71753526
>anyone can buy one
The Feds have a 3 day withholdment policy. If I went and bought a rifle from a gun store, I'd pay for the gun, wait three days for the Feds to check my record, then I'd get the gun if I passed.
Sorry that we have the ability to rebel against our government and not live in a nanny police state where I can't even post anti immigration things on fake book without getting visited by the police who have more arms than I could ever legally obtain.
:^}
>>71753006
>>71753205
>a prototype rifle never majorly distributed will be on the streets of the US more commonly than the AR-15 rifle or its assault rifle counterpart the M-16
Also>>71753526
Wal-Mart stopped selling ARs
Google is your friend. Might want to look up cheap dental work while youre at it.
>>71751578
SHALL
>>71754209
>Sorry that we have the ability to rebel against our government
Oh stop
>>71754639
You are three same type of person that would make fun of the US for not being able to win Vietnam or the War on Terror.
>>71754532
NOT
>>71754639
Why would they bomb things they want to control?
>>71754639
Oh stop
>>71752393
>>71752526
it's ok anon, I read all that shit
>>71754639
dead people don't pay taxes, akhmed
>us government will attack own citizens with drones and not lose any credibility whatsoever
t. Retarded faggot foreigners
>>71751578
If you are really worried about saving human lives and not hypocrytical you should first ban :
Drugs
Cars
Scaffolders / ladders / rooftops
Alcohol
Then you can come back and target guns. Keep us posted
>>71751578
How about you take it from my cold dead hands you pinko.
>>71754116
Aside from the ÅR-16 shit. I get it, typos, whatever, let's actually examine the arguments for pro gun, and why I personally think they're superior.
there are a few, and if you want, I'll voice some of the others later, but for now, let's just take both sides to their logical conclusion:
Anti-gun, when taken to its ultimate logical conclusion, is a country where every gun is in the hands of the police, the government, and the secret service.
All three of these entities are government owned. In this word, you have disarmed the populous, any hope of rebellion against a tyrannical government would be quashed insofar as it would be illegal to obtain any form of firearm.
>but you say that criminals will still get guns! You gun nuts sure do contradict yourselves!
What criminal organizations have you known that are capable of making a stand against the government? Not a stand as in avoiding capture (like the drug cartels and gangsters) but a stand in the sense of an actual rebellion set on capturing the Capitol city. It could not happen. Absolutely no chance. An armed militia would be needed, and to organize a series of militias against a government who controls all fire arms, all the media and all the roads is virtually impossible.
Now let's take pro-gun arguments to their logical conclusion:
Every citizen is armed equal to the arms possessed by the continental United States. Notice that I said "continental United States." That means no tanks, drones, no missile launchers, no jets and no navy.
This world has people in a position in which they could feasibly overthrow a tyrannical government.
Every step we take toward gun control, we step further away from our ability to regulate our own government.
>>71754639
I never thought this level of cuckery possible. The self-defeatism is so sad. I'm out negros. I need a break from this ride.
The last time a bunch of fags tried to create a militia it didn't end too well did it?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9MvxwrsOZc
or the time before that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDBAixXJdM
or ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra92M3favxs
>>71754639
>the government would bomb its own land
News flash, fucko. Our government officials need our shit to survive. They need food and fucking water just like everyone else.
Do you think a fucking harrier is going to be able to raid houses for food?
No, they'll send people in fucking trucks. People with guns. And if we have guns, the fight sure looks a lot more fucking even, doesn't it.
>>71754639
Also who the fuck do you people think you are, saying that we'll shoot our own civilians because they want to preserve their rights?
Fuck you, most of us will defect at that point, or the higher ups will be fighting eachother.
>>71755096
1. Drugs already banned.
2. Cars, ladders and rooftops does not designed for murdering people, specifically.
>all this buttblasted
my work here is done.
enjoy your gun control.
Hillary 2016.
>>71755427
>Drugs already banned.
>still can go to almost any street corner in the cities and get some but making 300+million guns disappear will be easy
>>71755564
0/10
>>71755564
>not doing anything at all
>Britains definition of work
Proud of you boys, keep up the good "work"
>>71752022
The movement to ban assault weapons is so stupid and misguided. Vast majority of gun crime is committed with pistols. Banning assault weapons is just a knee jerk reaction to a couple of fringe cases of school shootings.
'Assault weapons' enable the people to practice the 2nd amendment in the way the founding fathers intended, by putting power in the hands of the people to fight against tyranny
>"And army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights"
-Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers
If you really wanted to reduce gun violence, you would push for a ban of pistols, but even then, that would stop people from defending their homes and could cause gun violence to increase.
Therefore, banning any weapons currently legal in the US is misguided and will cause problems in the future.
>>71755427
>1. Drugs already banned
Organized crime didn't get the memo apparently
>>71755826
http://ivn.us/2012/07/23/doj-study-fails-show-1994-assault-weapons-ban-worked/
why are people so set on taking away their right to defend themselves from other people and mainly the government?
We all know where it leads... tyranny
>>71755564
Yeah I'm buttblasted. I'm tired of people saying that I'm gonna shoot our own fucking civilians. Fucking bootlickers.
>>71751578
no need to
>>71752022
Define assault weapons
>>71755926
Because they're bootlicking statists. They believe the common man shouldn't be individuals, rather a collective controlled by a few powerful people.
People can try to ban guns in the USA but I don't think it is really possible. So many people are just going to hide them. Would be easy to smuggle across the Mexican boarder.
Just too many guns already there. The government would have to take them by force and that would start a civil war.
>>71754209
>federal waiting period
No they don't. Either you're trolling, or you live in a cucked state. You know what the 'I' in the "NICS background check" stands for? Instant, you retard.
Get learned.
>>71754639
Really makes you think
>>71756015
You mean you haven't killed enough?
Poor schoolkids.
>>71756087
Rifle with full auto mode? (Also SMG and MG)
>>71755826
That said, I think to own a gun, an individual should have a license, similar to a car license, with a mandatory weapons handling test. It would be provided for free and subsidised by a tiny increase in tax on gun purchases.
This would encourage responsible gun ownership, so will hopefully decrease the amount of Darwin award stories you hear when people get shot by their dog or something.
>>71754639
>>71756618
>needing a license to exercise a human right
>>71756618
Quick send the memo to criminals everywhere
>>71756455
So the couple fringe cases where a psycho comes in and blasts a bunch of kids is your baseline? What about inner city violence or gangland murders?
Guess what, with or without gun laws, they're still gonna get their hands on them and continue murdering each, if not they'll just stab and bludgeon each other anyways like the niggers they are.
Why are foreigners and libcucks so intent on disarming law abiding citizens? Its my right to defend mysef, I'm not gonna let some limp wrist bleeding heart faggot get in the way of that
Shall not be infringed. What's so hard to understand about that?
>>71756618
>accidental deaths from firearms are a problem
I'm having a laugh
>>71755294
>under 20 people, 6 of which were over 60 years old
>militia
>>71756826
The infringed part
>>71756794
It's got nothing to do with criminals. Having a free license and test is to encourage responsible gun ownership, which will reduce accident rate, but doesn't infringe on the individuals rights.
>>71757009
See
>>71756869
You retard
>>71755826
thanks brit bong, you're alright
>>71751578
can we finally ban shitposting?
>>71756286
New Hampshire, look it up
>>71756618
There's no reason to tax and inconvieniance everyone just because of a few stupid assholes who are better off dead.
The number of people unintentionally kulled by cars is 50+ times greater than those killed in gun accidents. Also, you DON'T need a license to own a car, just to drive them on government built roads. Comparable to US CCLs.
>>71757009
Requiring a license to own a gun IS infringing on the right
>>71756869
Yeah that's one of the weakest fucking arguments the anti-gun fags use.
I've lived for 32 years, I have known 1 fucking person EVER who was killed by an accidental gunshot.
And I hesitate to even use the word "know," he was an isolated incident of my highschool which had 2,000 students who sat a few seats in front of me in English class.
>>71757222
That's a fair point to be honest. I never looked into the number of accidental gun deaths, I just thought it would be a good idea.
Since the rate of accidents is so low, it seems kind of unnecessary to have a license.
I'm buying a gun tomorrow because of this thread. Thanks OP
>>71756754
>not wanting an excuse to have a properly trained and well drilled militia for the upcoming race war
pretty shit, desu.
>>71751578
Aren't guns already regulated in some way in Italy?
>>71756557
it is already banned with exception for those guns that is produced before 1980 (idk exactly date)
>>71751578
Here's your (You)
>>71752512
BASED police good job
>>71758323
>Making a play on emotion to justify infringing on rights
Pretty shit, desu.
>>71753103
>believing that image is real
Yeah it makes total sense, rather than dial 911, he logged into facebook and posted "call 911" without any other information.
Go smoke another bowl you dumbass Canacuck
>>71753847
You are the reason why people think Americans are dumb.
>>71754209
Waiting periods usually only apply to Handguns. I've never heard of a waiting period for a rifle or shotgun.
>>71755564
You have no understanding of middle America. They will vote for a chimpanzee before they will elect Shillary. Everyone hates her but her avid supporters and black people.
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>71761982
>You are the reason why people think Americans are dumb.
>Says the American
>>71752393
The real reason the Left is so desperate to take guns away
They know that an armed populace heavy in military vets is the one check to absolute power
They have already institued plan B though
Dissipate military strength in unpopular overseas wars
Get white males out of combat arms by replacing infantry with drones and soldiers with trans activists in technical jobs
Eliminating the trained infantry who are the best source of militia is almost as effective as a complete gun ban
The civil war has already started, and only one side is fighting
>>71752393
nice read
idk how much I believe it but it was entertaining
>>71752022
>signing a petition funded by George Soros
>>71752577
Heres a rebuttal
>>71754639
>>71766220
>>71766328
>>71753526
Stop being a dumbass gun nuts are the safest people to be around. They will never commit a crime since either will increase gun crime statistics and it means he won't be able to buy guns. It's like chubby round faced tall slavs. They look big and scary but they're the most loyal and nicest of slav. Pic related
>>71766370
>>71751578
>>71767268
>>71758323
None of that would be done by such a proposed law
Fuck off
>mfw sjws in this country shit on based America because they have guns and we don't.
No.
>>71767900
INFRINGED
>>71767891
>>71752577
The death of this child appears to be a good thing
Guns are worth keeping
>>71752022
Just itching for a reason mother fucker.
>>71754639
Obligatory
>>71755564
Shillary is no longer eligible to be POTUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsMo8_5QQz0
>White America has the same murder rate as Europe
>Black America has the same murder rate as Sub-Saharan Africa
>Taco America has the same murder rate as South America
"It's the guns you stupid burger!"
>mfw
>>71756618
That said, I think to have your freedom of speech, an individual should have a license, similar to a car license, with a mandatory rhetoric handling test. It would be provided for free and subsidized by a tiny increase in tax on book purchases.
This would encourage responsible thought ownership, so will hopefully decrease the amount of Darwin award stories you hear when people get shot by the thought police or something.
>>71751578
Agreed. The Second Amendment has no place in modern society. When America got organized as a country, they wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to the radical American masses. There’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, the State, the only entity deserving of power, has to move to limit it. The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.
>>71757009
It's got nothing to do with dissidents. Having a free license and test is to encourage responsible thought ownership, which will reduce the "accident" rate, but doesn't infringe on the individuals rights.
>>71751578
Nice try government shill.
Go fuck yourself cuckold faggot
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Anabelle_Lotus
>>71754639
>>71752577
Top kek
