How true is this image?
One of the most stupid things I've seen in a while. WW2 was a very long, and complex conflict, and somebody thought it was a good idea to poorly sum it up with pictures of dinosaurs (why dinosaurs?). I honestly hope the person who created this image was under the age of 14, because it's very embarrassing.
>>80134174
The beginning to midway through world war 2, no. But after the German invasion of Russia went sour, and the Germans had to retreat and Russia started pushing into Germany, and Americans through France, it was ogre. Though I'd make those small dinosaurs half murrican half Russian.
>>80134174
Somewhat true.
The biggest losers and wimps of WW2 were the Brits, the lost the fewest people relatively speaking but their empire entered a death spiral.
France always gets a bad rap but France in 1940 was a barely held together revolutionary powderkeg and Germany killed A LOT of french in the invasion, plus they had a huge resistance movement.
Japan was actually probably worse than Nazi Germany but we we like to gloss that over cause of Das Jews.
and Italy was more or less irrelevant.
>>80134541
>Ugh NO! this topic is so nuanced and complicated it is INSULTING that you would summarize it with photos and allegory, NO! i will NOT point out how you are wrong... just Ugh... you are SO wrong and STUPID!
>>80134174
The dinosaurs should be wearing American clothes and then it would be more accurate. Lend lease was no joke.
>>80134174
Finn-raptor fighting against 50 Russo-rexs is missing from the pic.
>>80134174
Japan should be a t-rex and fighting some soviet raptors
>>80135006
WW2 japan was fucking nothing
>>80134174
I'd make US raptors coming from the other side of Nazi T-Rex.
UK a T-Rex
Japan an Allosaurus
>>80135120
>nothing
The USSR and UK could have finished off Germany with our supplies
Japan was the real fight for USA
>>80135290
>>80135120
pic related
>>80135279
US can still be a T-Rex
He just has lots of raptors too
>>80134174
germans tried to fight everyone at once and failed.
>>80134174
It's a plebbit-tier look at WWll that for the sake of being "FUNNY XD, SO TRUE" ignores so much
>>80134174
There should be more Russians
But remember Stalin is a cunt, was a cunt and Russia is a land filled with cunts.
It was only the UK who stood up to the Nazi, alone.... Just the Brits
Remember that too. And remember that Ameria didnt even want to help, we were taking a hammering from the Luftwaffe, who came to help us? no one.
Russia only entered the War because Stalin got cucked, but lucky they did, otherwise...
Brits are doing it again, stopping Germany, their EU project will burn, we are going to burn it and there is nothing they can do.
not many nations are willing to smash their economy and currency for the good of the world.
>>80135373
O, and I'd give the UK some raptors too, to equate to the commonwealth
An Oz raptor; a Canadian one
>>80134174
Opinion on who contributed the most to the end of the war in Europe by years.
>>80134174
England should be an anklyodon for outlasting German air raids. Italy should be some kind of cowardly egg eating dinosaur that only managed to eat colonies not actual powers. Japan should be a group of velociraptors, but only a few at best because it was rekt relatively easily and only got off a good ambush which made them look scary. France should be a dead dinosaur, but something stupid like a stegosaurus because it didn't use the right tactics even though it had the tech to defend itself. Germany can be a Spinosaurus or something similar because even though its tech wasn't all that great its tactics were. Russia and the US are the only good representations, though the US should be laying eggs for Russia or something because without their arms Russia doesn't do shit.
With that said, the image is misleading and childish in its current incarnation. Reminds me of a s4s or black people meme.
>>80135466
America came for the final hurrah, but lets be honest, they only joined when Japan cucked them.
War is fucking gay, hundreds of MILLIONS died.
For what? Fucking Nazi German cunt.
>>80135398
Lost.
>>80135466
>england
>>80134174
france is accurate
>>80134174
this post again
are you some butthurt oldfag fapping sentimentally over your fantasies of WW2?
isn't there a different board for that shit?
>>80135565
one of the bigger achievements of hollywood
>>80135565
Well one inconvenient truth that you can get by reading on the subject is that effectively USSR capacity to wage war wasn't all that great.If it weren't for Land-lease, they probably would have lost.
Up until the very end of the war there were shortages of things in USSR army that would unthinkable to a British or American solider...allot of their soldiers weren't given shoes ffs.
>>80135565
Which was true to some degree, Lend-Lease kept the Soviets in the fight until they could finally get full production going behind the Urals, and even then, they got quite lucky that the Nazis got bogged down both by the Russian Winter and their inability to get through Stalingrad to reach Baku.
>>80135466
Hitler wanted peace
Winston Cuckchill wanted war
>>80135398
kek
>>80135565
i dont speak dutch.
>>80136010
god damn hans, don't be stupid.
>>80134174
>Britain
>bigger than Japan
The Brits were nothing more than island French who had the luxury of having time to build up their military. The crown for ratio of bragging versus what they actually did definitely goes to them.
Italy should be considered an Ally, for all the good they did the Germans.
>no happy merchant seen anywhere
Not accurate at all.
>>80135886
But I thought the Jews were trying to turn us all into Communists? Wouldn't they want to portray the Soviets as heroes?
>>80135690
>200 killed
>>80134820
>they had a huge resistance movement.
kek. They had 10 times more french serving nazis then in resistance. That's why germans were so surprised when told France is one of victors in 1945. DeGol himself said la resistance was a propaganda myth.
>>80135905
The thing is the industrial output of USSR never ever matched that of USA. And allot of their production is inflanted, because they were essentially cutting corners wherever they could.
PPSH-41 were very badly finished, to the point that many could only accept the magazine that came with it. We all know the reputation of the Mosin Nagant in the surplus market of america.
T-34s were unreliably, despite the History channel myth, it was just the case they ended up being destroyed before some of the components went to shit.
Most of their planes were still using allot of laminated wood, due to aluminum shortages (being most important source, captured german plane wrecks).
>>80136010
>>80136149
I don't speak Mexican
>masochistically caring about who lost the most soldiers
>sadistically caring about who got the most kills
the only correct way to judge the outcome of the war is by who obtained the greatest strategic advantages with the least economic costs
>>80134174
I think this would be more accurate if at least alf were black dinosaurs and a quarter were poo in loo dinos.
>>80135913
>Hitler wanted peace
he killed millions, did blitz invasions, wanted to shape the world how he wanted...?
>>80135899
>>80135905
See this is exactly what Germany said.
>>80135886
You fucking retards. Do you really think that helped SO FUCKING MUCH?
$11.3 billion to the Soviet Union went to the Soviet Union. Americans estimated that this was enough to keep around 60 divisions on the line. So all that food, vehicles and so on was only 60 divisons.
Stalin increased mobilization, and by 1 August 1941, despite 46 divisions lost in combat, the Red Army's strength was 401 divisions.
OUT OF 401!
So the US financed 15% of the USSR combat strength. WOW THEY SURE WON THE WAR.
>>80134820
>Japan was actually probably worse than Nazi Germany but we we like to gloss that over cause of Das Jews
Eh I wouldn't be too sure.
The eastern front was pretty fucked up as a result of the will to avoid a situation like in WW1 where several years of famine spark a revolution so they decided to starve out, I think it was Leningrad, rather than take it because they would have had to feed them .
>>80134174
>Japan
>little
they fucking raped everything in the Pacific until we arrived, including the Soviets.
Until 1945 anyway
>>80136368
Better hurry up my little burger, you want to be able to listen to you new reina, dont you?
>>80136294
You have no idea how it annoys me when people here still bring up the fucking resistance. Some of them did good shit, but half of the resistance were bona fide communists who were only pissed off because the Nazis weren't their brand of totalitarianism. Those people shouldn't be honored, and we should be grateful for every communist that caught a bullet instead of a patriot.
For some reason this country took all of its post-war pride out of the resistance. You get people with cringe-worthy stories about how their ancestors were heroes for carting around illegal newspapers or crap like that. The common man is lifted up as daring for having a hidden radio and listening to the queen prattle on from England. And, of course, movies, books, schools names after dead commies.
No doubt it took stones to be in the resistance, but the disproportionate, self-aggrandizing hero-worship makes me sick.
>>80136625
Peace with England. Who cares for France and all the other irrelevant "countries" like Belgium?
>>80134174
>How people think WW2 was
How America thinks WW2 was*
>>80136821
that thinking belongs in medieval times
>>80135398
your missing the part where america steals the german research and scientists
>all these people trying to downplay US involvement in the war
without us you'd all be speaking german right now
>>80136727
Russia saved Europe from the nazis
US saved Europe from Russia
>>80136644
15% is no small number you dumbfuck. Think about it. War is mathematical, every extra division you can squeeze out is more pressure to the enemy. More strategical possibilities.
Offensives and defenses are planned on the amount of men you can put o na given geographical area. Extra 60 Divisions can make all the difference. Image Kurks salient with minus 5 or 10 of those divisions? Imagine Moscow outskirts with less 2 divisions. etc.
>>80136686
If famine is your idea of "worse than Japan", you obviously have no fucking clue of the shit Japan pulled.
>>80136947
>your
blatant teen spotted.
KYS
>>80134174
Where are the dinosaurs of colour? Dinosaurs of colour almost single handedly defeated both the nazis and the Japanese. Cis white dinosaurs stealing all the glory and white washing history once again.
Fucking shitlords!
>>80136718
>they fucking raped everything in the Pacific until we arrived, including the Soviets.
We weren't even at war with japs you asked us to assist in 1945 after germany was done.
>>80136992
Verpiss dich du zugeschissene Arschkrampe
>>80137039
Yeah think about it. Soviet union would have been worse off later but it would have still zerged Germany just as good.
It might have taken more lives and might have taken longer. But they sure as fuck would have out zerg germans.
>>80136947
They came over under their own free will you fucking leaf. Go slurp some fucking maple syrup, you'll embarrass yourself less with your mouth glued shut
>>80134890
This.
We pumped resources and money into Russia like it was no one's business. If it wasn't for our lend-lease, Russia would have crumbled under the lack of resources and equipment.
>>80137032
No you fucking did not. The British were the only ones to raise objections to the commies occupying all the shit.You dense naive fucks literally thought it was no big deal that China and Eastern Europe were taken over by reds.
>>80136992
Was? Ich sprech deutsch jetzt du hurensohn!
>>80137009
JAJAJAJA, donde esta la biblioteca? Yo soy un hombre,
>>80136538
This. Russians are all about their deaths by Nazis, starvation and winter.
>You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.
>>80135327
I actually didn't know that they owned all that land, Jesus fuck.
>>80136686
>Leningrad, rather than take it because they would have had to feed them .
it's not like I wanted to capture your Leningrad or something baka!
>tfw my children will be learning of poland that was a nazi ally/"""bad guy""" of WW2
>tfw at some point there wont be anyone to tell the truth
why do the kikes hate us so much
Replace the American T-Rex with a meteor and it's more accurate
>>80137533
???
They fucking bombed the Australian Main land
Read a book, this is /pol/ get your shit together.
>>80137373
>pumped resources and money into Russia
You sold us all that stuff. You're like merchant saying he sold sword to hero who fought dragon so it makes him a dragonlsayer-merchant.
>>80134174
Wtf I hate world war 2 now
>>80134541
Well, it's a visual, and simplification is necessary. It represents that while the US and Brits were bombing the living shit out of civilians, the Red Army were defeating the Wehrmacht in the field at a catastrophic price.
What it downplays are Lend-Lease, North Africa and the role the bomber offensive played in diverting defensive resources. However, Western perceptions, particularly American, are generally remarkably uninformed about the true scope of actors and actions in the conflict.
>>80137334
Post-fact armchair BS. You only say that now because of the results, but that wasn't at all that apparent up until 1943. And this is were you need to read and get schooled properly. Up until 1942, effectively Germans outnumbered the Russians. The infamous soviet juggernaut, zerg whatever the fuck you young plebs call it didn't exist.
60 divisions is allot and we aren't jsut talking about divisions but also equipment, food, vehicles and petrol. You dismiss important logistical and strategical factors. You don't know what you are talking about.
>>80134174
I don't think anyone underestimates how valuable the Soviets were in WWII and the massive meat body sacrifices they made.
>>80137392
>the city of portugal
your biggest contribution to the world is a fetid jungle whose only exports are disease and fart porn
>>80137501
80% of wermacht loses occured at eastern front though
>>80134174
Want to clear up a few myths about WW2.
The British empire was more or less finished at the time the war began. We got our shit pushed in just about everywhere on the ground. Our only contributions were our Navy and the RAF (more on that later.) We were not saved by America, our air force and navy were enough to prevent invasion, and a complete German takeover of Europe would not have changed this.
The Soviets won the war against the Wehrmacht and SS through sheer attrition, and they could have done it without any exterior support.
America did nothing relevant in a ground war against Germany. By the time the U.S. entered the war, Hitler had already lost to the Soviets and their winter. 80% of German casualties occurred on the Eastern front, and adding 20% of it's armed forces would have done nothing.
American lend lease was utterly irrelevant, both to Russia and to the U.K. There's a copypasta circulating of the figures of arms lent to the Soviets by America. It's figures are dwarfed by actual Soviet production - I believe it said the Americans loaned 8,000 Shermans to Russia. The Soviets produced 84,070 T-34s alone, not counting their other thousands of medium tanks and their hundreds of Heavy Tanks. The Americans only developed a heavy tank, the Pershing, at the end of the war and did not lend any. Alongside this, in some cases, the copypasta is factually wrong. It states that the Soviets never developed a heavy bomber, relying on the western bombing campaign. In reality, some Soviet bombers such as the Petlyakov Pe-8 were designed before the war even begun, and first began bombing Berlin in 1941.
The U.S. is solely responsible for the defeat of the Japanese empire. This is solely the fault of the Japanese failing to sink any Carriers in the pearl harbour attacks. Britain did nothing relevant in the pacific. The atomic bomb was not justified, but that doesn't matter in war.
(1/2)
>>80134739
this breddy much. throw a few leafs in there as well.
(2/2)
Operation Overlord was never launched to beat Germany; it was launched to stop the Soviets from taking over Europe. It could not have been done without the Americans, and if it hadn't have been launched, all of Europe would be a post-communist shit-hole.
Aside from the above, the only worthwhile contributions Britain and America made to the war was the strategic bombing campaign, annihilating the Luftwaffe and the German industry, speeding up the Soviet Victory considerably.
Italy would have been destroyed by Russia if America had not done it first.
The End.
>>80137978
When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, in Operation Barbarossa, the Red Army's ground forces had 303 divisions and 22 separate brigades (6.8 million soldiers), including 166 divisions and 9 brigades (3.2 million soldiers) garrisoned in the western military districts. The Axis forces deployed on the Eastern Front consisted of 181 divisions and 18 brigades (3 million soldiers). Three Fronts, the Northwestern, Western, and Southwestern conducted the defense of the western borders of the USSR. In the first weeks of the Great Patriotic War the Wehrmacht defeated many Red Army units. The Red Army lost millions of men as prisoners and lost much of its pre-war matériel. Stalin increased mobilization, and by 1 August 1941, despite 46 divisions lost in combat, the Red Army's strength was 401 divisions.
Glantz, David M (1998), Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War, University Press of Kansas, ISBN 978-0-7006-0879-9
The unprepared Soviet forces suffered much damage in the field because of mediocre officers, partial mobilization, and an incomplete reorganization.[43][page needed] The hasty pre-war forces expansion and the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers) favored the Wehrmacht in combat.[43][page needed] The Axis's numeric superiority rendered the combatants' divisional strength approximately equal.[d] A generation of Soviet commanders (notably Georgy Zhukov) learned from the defeats,[45] and Soviet victories in the Battle of Moscow, at Stalingrad, Kursk and later in Operation Bagration proved decisive.
>>80135565
War was one by Russian blood and American industry, not just one or the other. Russians sacrificed the most men and killed the most Germans, and did most of the legwork on the ground, but they wouldn't have been able to do that if it weren't for all the American industrial assistance. Russians got completely curbstomped in 1941, they would have been knocked out of the game if it weren't for the yanks.
>>80134174
I am sorry but you do not know your dinosaurs.The ussr is clearly Compsognathus
>>80134174
Where are we cunt
>>80138205
>The Soviets won the war against the Wehrmacht and SS through sheer attrition,
Factually wrong, not a lie either.
> and they could have done it without any exterior support.
Absolute BS, Soviets were pretty desperate for outside help, specifically that Allies made attacks to draw out potential reinforcements to the Eastern front. Without, D-Day, Salerno, Sicily, El-Alamein etc, land-lease...soviet victory was unthinkable.
>>80137763
We always learned you got your ass blitzkrieged
>>80137063
>blatant teen spotted
>KYS
the irony
>>80134541
The sun never sets on the Eternal Anglo.
>>80134174
where is canada?
we assaulted the beach on d-day too
>>80135120
they smashed the british and the americans in the pacific continually until they nearly landed in Australia. The first defeat for the Japs in the pacific was at the hand of Australian conscripts.I would rather fight on the western front thats for fucking sure, pacific was a bloodbath.
>>80138380
Real help from USA only started coming around 42-43 when it became obvious blitzkrieg failed and it won't be a waste of money. USSR was successfully holding nazis alone at first.
>>80135466
> who came to help
ANZACS did, even when we were under immediate threat of being invaded ourselves.
>>80136947
>bitching about Operation Paperclip
>>80138169
>mfw a commie thinks this makes him a winner
congrats, you won the privilege of living under nearly 50 years of communist rule before collapsing completely and it only cost you 25+ million lives and a fucking shitload of resources
I guess this is a big win from the perspective of a masochist
>>80138546
Their british and french allies told them to slow down mobilization and that help is coming ASAP. Then they dindu nothing and laughed about poland believing white people would actually fight for it.
>>80138694
Was going to post this.
>>80138380
The fuck are you talking about?
The Russians made
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II
106,025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II
88,816
SO YEAH TOTALLY.
Also the really funny thing
Heavy Tanks:
USSR - 13,831
USA - 2,202
The Russian made more KV-1 and IS2 then Americans did Heavy Tanks combined.
>>80135120
we made them nothing. they would've salted the earth on the west coast if we had let them
>>80138536
We keep providing Wikipedia papges at least. You keep shilling your opinions like it's law.
Now it's your time to prove us wrong.
>>80134174
No, American dinosaur's penis should be huge.
>>80134174
true as fuck, anyone who disagrees has autism
>>80138380
yea and the berlin wall plus the propaganda war made sure we never said anything nice about russia for 40 years which is why that graph is the way it is.
>>80136644
>Americans estimated that this was enough
That's an American estimate, made by Americans, who had a VASTLY higher expectation of the amount of materiel required for a unit of a given size to operate; between one and two orders of magnitude more than the Japanese, for example.
The Soviets had considerably lower standards.
>>80134541
>(why dinosaurs?
dinosaurs are awesome
>>80138694
>less than a mile from losing capital
>successfully holding nazis
whatever you say
>>80134174
England should be a flying dino, and there the soviets should be smaller, but there should be alot more.
>>80137763
Are people speaking out about it?
>if you kill your enemies they win - Soviet Union
>60,000,000 soviets killed later
>>80134174
No dinosaurs fought in World War 2
>>80138350
Nowhere were ever that many million fielded on the actual border units facing the german invasion were numerically inferior.
They were destroyed piece-meal in many occasions, because had the Russians been able to mobilize such numbers there and then the Germans wouldn't have been able to succeed the way they did.
You are omitting the proportion of units present at the BATTLE. And after grievous losses the total amount of soldiers fielded was decreasing for the Russians.
Look at picture, next time you quote , quote properly not out of context.
>>80134174
Then quit bitching about us not immediately joining in.
>>80138536
>The soviets did not win the war by attrition.
At the cessation of hostilities in Europe, the USSR had 4 times the number of men under arms compared to the UK and USA combined and twice as many tanks. For every German soldier sent to the east, ten Russian soldiers were waiting for him. And so the Germans exhausted their manpower and lost against the sheer numbers of the Soviets. Russian victory by attrition without relevant exterior support as I stated.
>>80136811
I wonder where you heard that. The resistance is barely mentioned at school and it never occurs in the discussions.
>>80139495
I'll quote your picture as it says 4 mil casualties yet not even 4 million are present.
>>80135398
laughed harder at this than I should have
>>80137978
>>80138536
How about you post some historiohraphy,geostrategical analysissm,military strategy analysis that "push" your narrative Clausewitz? You are either memeing or you think shirt youtube clips/documentaries account for the period authentically.
>Germans outnumbered the Soviets "effectively" up until 1943
>Soviet victory would have been impossi le without Salerno,El-Alamein...
Not only do you play football like gypsies,but you are actually retarded Alberto.
>>80134174
I am not sure about that .. 100% Canadian Purge !
>>80135479
>An Oz raptor
So an Emu?
>>80139627
No that is over -simplifying it and removing some of the credit out of soviet commanders. They didn't plan their battle with the idea of just throwing men at it.
You also omit the egregious strategical blunders of the Germans.
![Republic_P-47D-40-RE_in_flight_firing_rockets[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1VezqNs.jpg "Republic_P-47D-40-RE_in_flight_firing_rockets[1].jpg")
>>80138884
>The Russian made more KV-1 and IS2 then Americans did Heavy Tanks combined.
But America didn't DO heavy tanks.
>>80137533
The Philippines was ours when the war started too. They attacked us and took over the same day they attacked Pearl Harbor.
>>80139495
>frontline strenght ad hoc of the invasion=mobilized forces/redistributed reinforcements within days
You truly are retarded,time to stop (shit)posting.
>>80139810
>no arguments, hurr durr you are a retarded gypsie.
Hilarious coming from a Balkan bitch which is essentially the craddle of gypsiedom. Nobody has more gyppos then you balkan nations do.
Stay mad. kek
>>80139771
Use your brain to figure that one out, ffs sake.
>>80139493
sauce
>>80139330
>>60,000,000 soviets killed later
Because cold war propaganda against your enemy is 100% accurate desu.
>>80140239
Exactly like you said. Use your brain.
>>80134174
This picture is inaccurate dinosaurs had feathers
>>80134174
Absolute bollocks, US funded Germany and their army, they didn't just magic it out of nowhere.
Only once the Nazis crushed the Commies using the cash given to them by the US to serve their best interest, did US attack Germany.
Germany gave up the war intentionally in a successful attempt to end the incoming Communist attack, the whole "xd lel hitler is so bad why did he atk russia in winter wat a mug xd I clearly kno more than the worlds best strategists Xd" is bollocks, he intentionally lost Germany the war at the point at which they had become too powerful for even US to control they were about to steal almost all of UK's foreign allies from the commonwealth, south asia, and the middle east. Hitler gave up the entire war to complete the main aim of his cause, to crush the Jewish communist cancer. He stopped the commie operation to take Europe, the files proving the intent to attack were later leaked, and are still accessible with enough effort, as they are quite well concealed by the kikes.
Essentially, Germany was america's puppet to fuck the commies, they proved to be so aryan that they got to the point where they could fuck up the Americans, but were happy to give up the last of their oil supplies in order to kill the russians, instead of sending only 1/10th of their army down to the eastern european oil supplies, which would have almost secured them the victory. The nazis were heroes, they were willing to die, and give up their cause in turn for the extermination of the commie invasion, and the preservation of European freedom.
Sorry if I didn't write so well, I am quite drunk atm.
The gist of it is that the Nazi party was formed after a rarely spoken of 2 year civil war in Germany, the winning side being the commies, openly founded by the Kikes in the name of sneaky commie globalism. The Germans were pissed, NDSAP grew, hitler joined, changed the whole NDSAP op, their only aim was to save europe from the commies. Bless the nazis, died for Europe.
>>80140266
WWII confirmed for dinosaur-free zone.
>>80139924
>removing some of the credit out of soviet commanders
Not my intention. Soviet theory of deep battle was well implemented during the end of the war, and I acknowledge this. However, this does not change the fact that vast amounts of manpower were available to the Soviets from the beginning to the end of the war. Wars are not won by machines, they are won by men, and the Soviets had millions more than the Germans. Without a lot of luck, and a lot better tactics, the German advance would have inevitably ground to a halt due to heavy losses and the sheer number of Russian replacements.
>You also omit the egregious strategical blunders of the Germans.
Irrelevant to my post. The Germans still would have made the errors without the American lend-lease, they still would have made them had their full combat potential been focused on the east.
>>80134174
100% true
Unfortunately Hollywood has pushed an dishonest agenda to diminish the achievement of the Soviets for propaganda reasons. But then again, wouldn't have been the first time.
>>80134541
Why do you hate dinosaur anon?
What has dinosaur ever done to you?
>>80140327
Jesus man, i don't think i can ever recover from that savage comeback. that is Leaf levels of pathetic.
>>80140127
If a series of decisive victories are won, maybe i don't know , the Germans keep maintaining a number advantage while the Russians were desperately trying to hold on by throwing men at them...resulting in...well you figure that one out. Checkered towel bitch.
>>80134174
We never showed have sided with the fucking commies. It's our fault the commies marched right in to fuvkinf Berlin.
Who thought ir eas a food idea siding with the communists? I wish I could go back in time and sgoot everyone who saud"sidinig with the ficking siciets is wgat we should do".
>>80139924
Could you point out to me some of the strategical/tactical innovations/precedents that the Soviets used? Are you going to memequote Zhukov? How about you google for Brusilov/Suvorov, real Russian military geniuses unlike their counterparts in WW2?
>some egregious strategical mistakes made by Germans
The only mistake is Hitler diverting GAGC and "time lost" running over Yugoslavia/Greece to save the Italian "face". Like I said,stip shitposting and provude some actual examples/proofs/sources.
>>80135398
>mfw this pic
>>80140500
>Wars are not won by machines, they are won by men, and the Soviets had millions more than the Germans.
Material is very important, so is correct strategy and logistics. Despite their prodigious manpower China was being bitch slapped by the japs. It took considerable joint effort of US and soviet help to start reversing the Chinese plight.
I don't agree with the whole view that body tally is what matters. Fundamental strategic victories are what matters. History is filled with wars and battles lost by the side with the massive numbers.
But that is my opinion and that of some others.
>>80140510
Nope, US founded the germans, came in to steal the glory, the UK won allies the war doing about 60% of the work on their own as they were fighting the nazis before anyone else dedicated themselves against germany. If the UK had not attacked germany, they would have grown far too large for anyone to contest, and the soviets and US cunts wouldn't have been able to kill the fuckers in the end. The UK's bravery won the Allies the war, they were the only Allied country that HAD to have done what they did, in order for the win. The soviets were brave and harsh soldiers, and did their bit, but again, only once Germany was already loosing to the UK and all of it's unmentioned allies, India, kurdistan and a few other countries did more than the US or Russia ever did, but don't get any mention.
>>80134541
Get that broomstick out of your ass, will you?
>>80138884
Where did they get me metal for tank and fuel for aircraft comrade?
Glorious USSR just found it of course :)
>>80140851
Hitler made the mistake of not taking Moscow right away and got bogged down on the southern front.
Soviets made a ton of mistakes. One is not mobilizing at all until they were attacked. Another was using cavalry during ww2 where some generals didn't believe in tanks.
>>80134174
good video on history of Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
>>80136686
>Eh I wouldn't be too sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
>The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that, in an addition to children and the elderly, 20,000 women were raped.[48] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process in which soldiers would go from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang raped.[49] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[50] or by penetrating vaginas with bayonets, long sticks of bamboo, or other objects. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them
>>80140851
I didn't say they were geniuses you fucking dolt. I said they played their cards correctly in many occasions and made good strategic decisions on plenty of ocasions. Kursk is great example of Soviet orchestrating a well thought out defense. At that point Germans hadn't lost yet a single summer offensive and the world was holding its breath at that moment.
>>80134174
>japan being that small
yeah nah.
![how-a-leftist-finnish-meme-became-a-white-suprema-2-27404-1423599913-1_dblbig[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/f06aMBb.jpg "how-a-leftist-finnish-meme-became-a-white-suprema-2-27404-1423599913-1_dblbig[1].jpg")
The US has been always the same.
>>80141164
Thank you burger bro for making the obvious plainly to that croat bitch.
>>80140954
>Material is very important, so is correct strategy and logistics.
And the Germans were deficient in both as the war went on. The numerical inferiority of the Tiger and Panther, meant to replace the PzIII and IV, when compared to Russian and American tanks has become infamous. The term "over-engineered" has become thrown around a lot. Simply put, there were not enough German tanks to cope.
>Despite their prodigious manpower China was being bitch slapped by the japs.
As were the Russians by the Germans by the beginning of the war, but it is a question of size and strategy. Russia is larger than China, giving more strategic depth for the Soviets to exploit for regrouping, reorganising and planned defence, and this extension gave them the ability to rethink their tactics and reorganise their armed forces that Stalin had so thoroughly decimated in his purges. Not to mention, I don't think that Japanese had as bad a time of the winter as the Germans did.
>I don't agree with the whole view that body tally is what matters.
That isn't my whole view, but it is the majority of it. I believe the strategic blunders that the Germans made would have occurred if the other 20% of their army had been present in Russia. I believe that the Russians, given the opportunities these blunders gave them, would have reorganised and reequipped and would have pushed back in exactly the same way.
>>80139214
>implying losing a capital means the end of the war
wew lad
>>80140510
It isn't like Russia and USSR had a track record of making up numbers to inflate their deeds or anything...oh shit...
You guys talk of Hollywood propaganda, but you have no idea of the torrents of pure disinformation that pass as fact in Russia.
This is part of the reason i kinda despise western Europeans and in particular northerners so much. You fucking rail at USA for shit that Russia is much worse at.
/Pol/ is so eager to suck Russian cock. It's sickening.
>>80136686
>I wouldn't be so sure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
>>80140510
Russian films are no different, painting themselves solely as the winners. Both the Russian films and the American ones exist to turn over-romanticised, patriotic teenagers into a steady stream of cannon fodder.
>>80141883
I'll agree to disagree. /Pol/ isn/t the place for this sort of (actually decent) debate,we are not shit posting enough mate, ought to correct that with this picture.
>>80142729
I was sort of hoping you'd prove me wrong, but my view hasn't changed. But no worries, it was a pleasure debating with you.
>>80142941
Sorry Nigel, the call of the pillow is too strong.
>>80137763
If it makes you feel better, all we know is: Poland got their shit wrecked and were taken over. In our minds, it was 'Duh Nazi's!'
Really, we spent less time on WW2 and how massive it was, and more on 'DAH JEWSSSS and duh 'SIX GORILLION'.
Man, I loved public schools.
>>80136947
>Germans in project Manhattan
a fucking leaf
why does everyone make fun of France in WWII?
Do they know nothing about history and basic strategy?
>>80134820
France's losses in WWII were almost nonexistant. They just rolled over for the Germans and then collaborated like mad.
>>80135565
Fucking post it in English, not Moonrunes you fucking savage.
>>80135633
Lend Lease motherfucker.
Stalin was also desperate for a second front. That wouldn't have happened without America.
Russia might have collapsed or at best, bled itself even more dry fighting German than it did assuming it could have held on (Possible, but it would have made the carnage even worse. And it was bad anyway.)
>>80137533
Reminder that the Japs actually scored 6 kills on American soil with meme balloon firebombs and the Alaska bombing shit.
>>80135327
>>80136718
You know that we had a plan to KILL OFF ALL OF ASIA? Imagine the world today if you didn't go after us once you were done with Germany. FUCKING ZERO untergooks. No Indos, Koreans, Viets, Indians, Arabs. Sounds good, isn't it?
t. Nip in the Russian Far East
>>80134174
Good one, and absolutely true.
>>80134541
Stupid brits...
>>80135398
>>80136718
The Soviets beat the Japanese, that's why Japan signed a neutrality agreement with them.
>>80134820
Stfu loser wimp
>>80147896
Wow, didn't know that.
Imperial Japan was certainly pretty based.
>>80135398
Kek.
>>80137970
No you are uninformed
>>80136644
Sure stupid.
>>80137039
Lol dumbfuck it is small
>>80137763
But it is true. AK were rabid anti-semites and deported jews EN MASSE
>That is a vodling, a smaller type o' commie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImPpKh-fzQ
>>80134174
>American education
Dinosaurs didn't fight WW2
Russia was there from the start. The rest of the Allies came in when it suited them (as you can expect I guess). Russia should get more recognition but no one gives a shit in the West. Same as with Syria, everyone talking shit for ages doing sweet fuck all. Russia comes in with bombers and literally btfo the enemy and they are still seen as the bad guys. Russians seem to be able to actually do the shit they talk about, except for Afghanistan where, for some reason everyone talks their shit but get's their arse handed to them. I guess the fighting style there just isn't understood well enough to effectively counter it. Kind of like USA in Vietnam, they got fucked on because they thought they could waltz in, use their same old tactics and wham bam win a war.
>>80137533
US education.
>>80150187
If ANZAC were glorious they would side with Japan. Had we won, there would be no Asians besides Japanese and Australia could be free from the yellow peril.
>>80134174
There weren't any dinosaurs.
>>80134820
>Italy was more or less irrelevant.
The closest your post comes to being accurate.
>>80134934
Shut up. You didn't do shit except not finishing your part around Leningrad. Fuck the winter war, you lost hella territory.
Fucking Mongol.
>>80134541
Ah hah HAHhAHha
this anon is right tho
Usa kicked a dead dog
>>80134174
Watch this. Pretty mind blowing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBTRSFgS9_w
