Does anyone else look at a camera and know technically it is horrible but you want it anyway?
Show us the worst cameras you want or own
>>2873692
Any Sony MILC.
>>2873692
qs1 is pretty cool for small sensor shananigans
Had a good play with the whole QS1 line in while in Yodobashi Shinjuku, it's preddy kwel. Kawaii as heck, but more a niche item considering how small and good APS-C MILCS are now.
>>2873763
i want to buy that 500/1000mm super cheapo telephoto for 99 bux on amazon and put it on a Q, then point it at the moon
>>2874209
Neh
The sensor size and resulting image size is good for wider snappy snaps in sunlight/flash, not for anything even remotely challenging or lower light.
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>>2873692
Because it's rare the prices will sadly always be too high.
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>>2874338
This desu. Wish someone would make an updated version. It has the most gorgeous ergonomics imaginable
>>2874340
isn't it basically just a digital Bessa R III?
i bought a fuji meme camera after reading a thread on /p/. that was $689 i could have spent on a real camera. mfw,
>>2874406
which one? show it off!
XF1, 250€ new.
Mostly for street shooting while at work. This is the cheapest manual compact I could find with a fast lens at the wide/standard lengths.
Are fuji raw files that bad? Any reliability problems with heavy, daily use?
Will probably get it in the next months.
>>2874338
Aaaah. Thanks for reminding me...
>>2873692
This shit
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>>2874510
That one isn't THAT terrible. It's decent enough workhorse tier if the price is right.
>>2874510
I don't get the joke?
It's a lot of camera for $1,600
>>2874479
fuji raw files are good
lightroom is run by interns because all the adobe engineers quit in the 80's
>>2874509
I almost bought the fixed lens/RX100 sensor version of this a while back, and then realized that it was actually more awkward to carry than the actual camera.
>>2874566
An Xpro2 is more with less real estate
>>2874766
The Sony is FF and has IBIS though. That matters to some people. It's also a much better video camera.
I'm not one of those people, though. I bought an X-Pro2.
>>2874479
They're not so bad, and they're fairly small. I like to shoot raw+jpeg with my X20. I rarely use the raws though since I'm usually pretty satisfied with the jpeg output.
I recommend the converter Fuji issues, a lot of the other ones I've tried put out fairly mediocre results. It's a bit poorly designed and the interface is like 15 years out of date but that's the Japanese for you.
http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/software/myfinepix_studio/rfc/
It's serviceable, at least.
>>2873692
D40
>>2874773
>It's also a much better video camera.
no its not
I've been fighting off getting a Panny GM5, even after selling all my m4/3 stuff and going Sony
>>2874766
Define "more." Sony A7-anything is a pretty damn fine camera.
>>2873692
So bad Canon had to dump stock at a steep discount.
Yet I love the little guy.
>22mm rocks
>18-55 IS is better than any lens that price should be
>touchscreen is great
>IQ is actually pretty good
>AF not as terrible as everyone said
>small and light as fuck
I should hate it and dump it for a real mirrorless. Yet it never disappoints me.
>>2874782
Shit, I had the A7II mixed up with the A7SII.
Ok, I'm looking at comparisons, and now I'm starting to understand why this camera is in this thread. How the hell does a new FF camera have such worse noise performance than an APS-C camera of the same resolution?
>>2874806
Oh, I want this!
Is that the mark1 you're talking about? I really really like the compact look of that 22mm. I think it would be a great budget camera for traveling
>>2874807
A7 II looks better in the Comparometer than the XPro2 at both 3200 and 6400.
Not by as much as I would expect for FF. But better.
>>2874806
It was my only camera for a couple of months while I saved up for a 6D. Had an M3 as well since and that was a much better camera over the OG M. Got rid of both because I barely used them when I had my 6D. Still I love how small it was with the 22mm. Could sneak it into concerts and other restricted events.
Should buy another one just for laughs.
>>2874815
Mark I with firmware 2. (Firmware 1 really was shit from what I've read. AF lock in 3 days with firmware 1.)
I've been very happy with it. I bought the 22mm kit when Canon was giving them away then added the 18-55. It has been a very fun and productive travel / casual / street camera.
>>2874806
>>2874822
One of my friends has one of these as a fuckaround camera, and I played around with it recently. It's actually really nice, I like how they've managed to make it feel nice and dense and gave it the same finish as their pro bodies, instead of "hollow" and plasticy like most small mirrorless cams. The images are pretty good too.
I did think the AF was pretty slow, as was operation in general, but that's not such a big deal in a "casual" camera.
>>2874823
The M3's a pretty cheap nowadays too, especially on sale. I got my M3 with the kit lens for $250 brand new but sold it to my neighbour for $350. She barely uses it too, so I might buy back it off her soon.
Managed to unload one of these on a coworker. He said he's going to mount it on a telescope
Yashica Electro! Got it as a play camera and it's less fun to use than my K1000!
>>2874806
I was fucking pissed I missed out on the massive sellout.
>go to canon dot com dot au
>order at sweet as bargain price
>next day
>get email saying they were all sold out and you are now getting a refund.
Fuck
>>2874823
>I did think the AF was pretty slow, as was operation in general, but that's not such a big deal in a "casual" camera.
Multipoint / intelligent / face recognition AF are slooow even with firmware 2.
Singe point / single shot feels quick with the 18-55, OK (definitely usable) with the 22.
The glorious touchscreen means you don't really need all the other BS any way. Just tap to focus.
>>2874844
I almost missed out because I hesitated based on the bad reviews.
>>2874833
I would be really curious what kind of IQ and magnification you can get with one of those and digiscoping vs. something like the CoolPix P600.
>>2874875
The one I played around with had the 22, and was on single point AF, and I still thought it was pretty sluggish, but I'm used to my X-Pro2 + 23, which isn't exactly a fair comparison. I thought the Canon was about on par with the 1st gen X100 (with updated FW) that I had until a few months ago, and that camera is kind of famous for poor AF.
>>2873692
Same. A gnat falling onto on the sensor will look like Mothra, but fuck, the Q is so damn cute.
>>2873692
Nikon D1 because for me it will always represent the mystique of being a "pro" carrying a big-ass full featured DSLR that shoots raw.
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this one, its so compact
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>>2874566
>>2874829
Where is m3 for $250?
>>2874766
lol, wut?
x-pro 2
>no lenses
>of lenses available, awful quality
>no good 3rd party AF adapters
>crop
>worse low light performance
>shite autofocus
>no ibis
>fixed screen
>sensor pixels less than half the size
>92% viewfinder coverage
>$1 more expensive
>no nfc
>dat fuji flash support
>even worse ergonomics
lol, nahhhh.
>>2874766
More what? Crop factor? Noise? I really don't get the joke
>>2875106
ISI GET REKT
>>2875107
As you can see here, the xpro-2 is the clear choice for underdogs everywhere
http://cameradecision.com/compare/Fujifilm-X-Pro2-vs-Sony-Alpha-7-II
>>2875107
BJDrew, you only feel so strongly about Sony because you never managed to take a decent photo when you shot Leicas, and the Sony system was the first you got a clear, sharp image from.
More functionality, better image quality to sensor size ratio. better quality lenses.
>>2873692
<--this
>>2874778
Lawler would fucking rape mdfucknugget
It would be an absolute horror show
>>2875129
Ok, so it is a meme.
And don't talk about the Leicas in past tense! #1 is still an M240. She might be hurt.
I have nothing against the crop Fujis, other than a personal distaste for the usability and a desire to use my rangefinder lenses properly.
Trying to claim some kind of objective, across the board superiority is a very hard proposition here.
>>2875190
The main reason I'd want this is because it's a slut and will take pretty much any Nikon F mount lens ever made. But 16 megapickles? Meh.
>>2874479
this camera develops "lens control error" eventually. look it up, apparently it's a known thing and fuji doesn't do anything about it.
>>2875095
A combination of sales and $200 cashback. It was $550 on Christmas sales last year.
>>2875511
I would be pissed that I missed that except I was broke at Christmas :-(
>>2874885
Did the camera have the latest firmware?
In any case, I guess it depends on what you're comparing it to. I'll just say that I think the 22mm is usable for daylight / evening street photography. AF speed hasn't hindered me with that subject matter.
The 18-55 surprised me. First night I used it I remember thinking "why does anyone call this slow?" To be clear, it's not as fast as some body/lens combos. But I wouldn't call that one sluggish at all.
>>2875106
Oh man, where do I even start with this...
>no lenses
Fuji has substantially more lenses than Sony has FF E-mount lenses. Remove the "consumer" zooms from both lines and the number is exactly the same.
>of lenses available, awful quality
Ridiculous, I don't even know where you'd get that idea. Fuji's been making lenses since Sony was making transistor radios, and their X-System glass has been universally acclaimed.
>no good 3rd party AF adapters
Relevant to maybe 0.5% of the userbase. If you're one of them, good for you, buy the Sony if you've got a whole bunch of Leica glass that you want to use on a non-Leica digital body.
>crop
>sensor pixels less than half the size
Yep, and it doesn't really matter when you have a whole lineup of fast glass designed around it. Sensor performance is more than adequate at high ISOs and you don't have to deal with stupid crop factors since you're not trying to use FF lenses on it.
>worse low light performance
See attached image. It's basically identical.
>shite autofocus
Confirmed for not having used one, this isn't an X-Pro1. It's accurate as all hell and plenty fast, especially with newer glass.
>no ibis
>fixed screen
>no nfc
Ok? I guess IBIS could be nice.
>92% viewfinder coverage
Only for the OVF, which doesn't even exist on the Sony.
>$1 more expensive
lol
>dat fuji flash support
Yeah, this legitimately sucks. Hopefully that's changing in a few months.
>even worse ergonomics
Can't even begin to understand where this is coming from.
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>>2875511
Fug. I would have bought it for that price just to adapt large L lenses onto to look like a retard.
I fell for the foveon meme, most detail you'll get from a digital camera this side of $1000*
*if you use it at base iso, like the 45mm equivalent lens, don't care about speed (focus or file saving), and put up with the shit software
>>2875106
>x-pro 2
>>no lenses
lmao sony cucks can't say
>nolens
to anybody
I refuse to fall for the GR meme
>>2875536
>lenses
Sony has af adapters for Canon, sigma, Nikon, contax and Leica mount lenses. With Canon, sigma and contax performing as quick as necessary. In fact eos fit sigma lenses from the film era that don't work on new Canon lenses, do work on the sigma adapter; that awkward moment Sony cameras work with more Canon fit lenses than Canon. Also, I bet you can't muster a genuine reason not to use adapted lenses, go ask your local camera store about adapter adoption rates, they are LOTS more common than you think. And if we're arguing native fe, Sony have a lot busier release schedule and have other companies committed to making lenses.
I don't care how long fuji have been trying to make lenses, x mount one's suck cock Pic related, how fucking awful fuji's fast standard lens is compared to the competition, dem chromabs, dat nervous bokeh, doze colours.
>arguing crop is acceptable because you don't have to work out crop factors.
Well, for a start, this isn't even true, a fuji 50mm will give a different perspective to a Sony 50 on ff.
>basically identical
Sorry buddy, my eyes work and I've read the article that's from, the only positive it gives to fuji is neutral colours at stupid high iso.
>ergonomics
Just fucking look at them, a clunky rectangle or a hand grip with a lens mount, your choice.
This site agrees on ergonomics http://cameradecision.com/compare/Fujifilm-X-Pro2-vs-Sony-Alpha-7-II this website agrees, in fact it states how the Sony is better in every worthwhile stat.
Oh and the fuji is around £150 more expensive at the moment.
Feel free to refute any points with relevant references and comparisons.
>>2875719
>In fact
>eos fit sigma lenses from the film era
>that don't work on new Canon lenses
>eos fit sigma lenses
>that don't work on canon lenses
>lenses
>that don't work on lenses
>>2874805
>>2875757
>well I won that argument because I pointed out a typo.
Lol, your life must suck
>>2875719
itt: fujifags get rekt
>>2875764
sorry i just quoted that and kept scrolling on, im not anyone previously from this thread
just passing by having fun insulting people i don't know
>4chan
Have fun with whatever your shitposting over!
>>2874340
don't see how such a short base RF qualifies for "most gorgeous ergonomics"
also, liking the semi-fake winding lever makes you no better than lomofags
>>2875118
That site is fucking kek
yes, I realize that inside it's a gimped version of an already subpar camera
yes, I realize that GX8 is pretty much the same design but done right
but there's just something about this piece of shit that makes me want it
>>2875903
Dude who doesn't want this? It's cool as shit. Especially with that 25 1.4 summilux that still costs more than the mft version and had a aperture ring before it was cool
>>2875907
I own both of the 25 summiluxes and I can see the appeal of the 4/3 one despite its ludicrous weight. But L1 is legit the worst DSLR I've ever used in all respects but the looks.
The worst I have. Broke on the second roll. Causes a large scratch across the film surface throughout the roll, the film advance sprocket no longer releases for rewinding, and the shutter jams randomly. Was thinking about fixing it, but then I got a Praktica MTL5b which is just infinitely better while still having the fun of all manual. Could still use the Zenit as a home defence weapon I guess, until the EU bans them too.
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>>2875719
OK, guy you actually replied to here.
> I bet you can't muster a genuine reason not to use adapted lenses
Poor performance compared to first party, added cost and complexity.
>I don't care how long fuji have been trying to make lenses, x mount one's suck cock
This simply isn't true. I can't speak for the 35 1.4 because I don't own it, but the 23 1.4 and 56 1.2 I have are spectacular. I've heard nothing but good things about the 16mm and their fixed aperture zooms, and the 35/2 has been getting rave reviews too. The 35 1.4 was just about their first lens, and I'd guess it'll get an update in the next year or two.
>arguing crop is acceptable because you don't have to work out crop factors
That's not what it's about at all, especially since you still have to work out crop factors. What it's about is having lenses that are actually designed to take advantage of the crop sensor, and are therefore smaller, lighter, cheaper, and available in the right focal lengths.
My point in posting that image was to show that there's no real practical difference in high ISO ability between APS-C and FF at this point. Both sensor sizes will return publishable images in almost any realistic situation. The reason to stick with FF nowadays is that most systems have huge catalogs of lenses designed around that sensor size, and few designed for crop. That's not an issue with Fuji. The only thing you really lose now is effective DoF, and Fuji's been working around that as well. (By offering faster lenses for the same equivalent FLs and/or pricepoints, i.e. their 85 equivalent is a 1.2 and their 35 equivalent is a 1.4 for the same price as Sony's 35 2.8.)
>>2875719
Continued from >>2876090
>ergonomics
Subjective, I guess, and it depends on whether you're talking about the overall feel of the camera in the hand or what it's like to interact with the camera.
Sony's body is probably nicer to hold, given its grip. Fuji's controls, though, are much better, at least in my opinion, as they offer physical switches for many of the things that are in menus on the Sony. I also felt, when comparing the two bodies, that the feel of the dials, buttons, etc were much better on the Fuji, but I know that's kind of splitting hairs.
>Oh and the fuji is around £150 more expensive at the moment.
That's UK specific I guess. Both bodies are exactly the same price from the same retailers in the US right now. It's worth pointing out that you'll spend substantially more on a comparable Sony system too, at least if you go with first party lenses.
I won't deny that the XP2 is kind of crazy expensive for a crop camera, but it's also not unjustified. There's a lot of complexity and technology in it, and a lot of parts that involve expensive machining processes etc. (The knurling on the dials, for example, isn't cheap.) I'd guess that the hybrid viewfinder alone makes up the cost difference in the sensors.
I don't think anybody can claim that the Fuji wins on paper, so I don't disagree with that website. Where it's ahead, at least for me, is in the actual experience of owning and using the camera. It's a joy to shoot with, and the files it returns are gorgeous. I've used a lot of cameras over the years, including modern Sony bodies, and I can publish Fuji files in a fraction of the time because they're so close to perfect right out of the gate. For somebody who's not working for publication and enjoys massaging files, that's not a benefit, but for me it's been a real game-changer.
>>2875536
Why on earth did you take the bait.
>>2876098
Boredom and I enjoy typing walls of text.
>>2874479
peanut sensor.
get canon g9x
>>2874764
get the meike grip, for iphone only though.
now you have a huge screen camera.
>>2874807
any camera not from fuji is better at video than xpro2.
>>2874806
bought mine with dual kit lens for 31000 yen.
:^)
get those stick on silicone front grip.
Fell for the Ricoh GR meme and I fucking love it. Pretty much the perfect travel camera. Taken it all over the world, never skipped a beat
>>2875604
I love my Merrill. Having to deal with the gay raws sucks though.
>>2875770
>Have fun with whatever your shitposting over!
You're
>>2876132
Story behind scar?
>>2875106
Anyone who thinks Fuji lenses are bad is objectively a fucking idiot.
>>2876154
which scar?
>>2875190
It's an incredibly missed opportunity, a poorly-done, cynically marketed camera all around. But I fucking want this fucking hunk of shit so fucking bad.
>>2876166
wrist senpai
>>2876176
Oh she burnt herself on the edge of a hot frying pan. Nothing too epic I'm afraid
>>2876180
fuck I hate burns
My current camera has zero rays, so imagine how good my pictures will be with 40 MEGARAYS.
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>>2875892
It's cosy senpai
>>2876288
The price isn't astronomically high for the tech but just... Not yet.
Lytro is the first one to bring lightfield cameras to the consumer market tho. And the professional cinema camera is fucking crazy. It will start the change in the industry for sure.
I mean it's not actually a bad camera. But realistically my photographs wouldn't benefit much from the panoramic feature.
>>2875190
2fat
>>2876176
sudoku watch
>>2874338
just saw the review on tcstv
it's so beautiful
>>2876411
It's like $200 on eBay, down from a couple grand at launch. That's almost within dicking around budget, but needing special software.... I don't know. I don't want to give myself another chore.
>>2874999
It's also got a 1/500 flash sync
>>2875903
...but why would you by a m4/3 sensor camera that's bigger than an APSC sensor Sony A6000?
This badly, a full frame sensor at this size it's just ridiculous.
>>2876935
>lens doesn't collapse
>""""compact""""
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>>2876935
Why not just an A7 with the 35mm Zeiss?
>>2876950
this is the 'terrible cameras you want' thread, no need to rub it in, m8
>>2876950
I mean, it has a full frame f2 lens though. That's some legit amount of glass
>>2876933
That camera is very old and was made before they later created the first consumer mirrorless camera. This is where it all began anon,
>>2876950
>he has gaps of nothing in his lens.
>>2877021
rx1 lens is way better.
a7 is bigger.
sony should make a full frame with a5000 body + pancake lens.
>>2874829
Where did you find an m3 for 250? I have an OG m and want something that has a better grip/ adjustment dials.
I shoot with adapted lenses and the 22 only.
>>2877122
i want to know too.
>>2877122
If in Australia I will buy your og version. Anon said above it was some crazy sale at the same time as a cashvacm deal.
>>2876442
Label that shit properly you faggot. That's the Xpan II : ^ )
My xpan is arriving today tho.
>>2876933
L1 is one of the very first live-view ILCs, it predates mirrorless cameras by years.
Also, did you miss the theme of the thread?
>Does anyone else look at a camera and know technically it is horrible but you want it anyway?
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>>2876929
THINK OF ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD DROP IN A BOWL OF WATER
:^)
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>>2878368
Needs a film wind / shutter cock lever just so I have somewhere to rest my thumb. That tiny little nub looks useless
Konica pop
There was no reason to buy one, one of the least flexible cameras I've ever used (2 iso settings, and a flash pop button which you can use to play with the speed but it's actually just better not to, and that's it) but it looks cute, it's the most "point and shoot" point and shoot I've ever used (due to the lack of settings) so it's pretty cool.
I hate my phone's camera, so maybe that's why I just welcome anything that doesn't shit itself whenever I just want the picture.
>>2878368
Would trade my M240 for that.
It is the camera equivalent of having a tidy, sparse, clean office.
>>2873692
>>2879477
>It is the camera equivalent of having a tidy, sparse, clean office.
No. It's the camera equivalent of changing your computer for a typewriter.
>>2876288
That one.
Would love to play with the files, since I'm also a computer programmer.
>>2879477
Yeah, except that office is so clean it completely lacks electrical outlets.
>>2879768
I'm also a software engineer. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's working with other people's proprietary data formats. Being tied to their software, and having no GNU+Linux version of it...I don't know.
But we're both loaded, so I guess the only thing we'd lose is time.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/07/get-the-lytro-illum/
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