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Resources:
Murray Hallam’s Aquaponics: (sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0 )
-Aquaponics Secrets DVD
-Aquaponics Made Easy DVD
-DIY Aquaponics DVD (Aquaponics The First 12 Months And Aquaponics DIY DVD)
Backyard Aquaponics
https://kat.cr/backyard-aquaponics-t4385398.html
400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
https://kat.cr/400-pdf-books-on-gardening-t3324399.html
Youtube channel Growingyourgreens, tons of videos on almost every single gardening subject,
https://www.youtube.com/user/growingyourgreens
Ollas clay pot watering system,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNxACJ9vPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKq5geEM-A
USA Time of Year Planting Guide,
http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/what-to-plant-now-zl0z0903zalt.aspx
Food preservation,
http://nchfp.uga.edu/
https://kat.cr/complete-book-of-home-preserving-pdf-gooner-t10069401.html
https://kat.cr/canning-and-preserving-all-in-one-for-dummies-2011-mantesh-t5998098.html
http://www.allamerican-chefsdesign.com/admin/FileUploads/Product_49.pdf
Mushrooms, (culinary and psychoactive):
https://kat.cr/usearch/Stamets/
Mother Earth News' Vegetable Garden Planner program, (full version requires yearly subscription $fee)
http://www.motherearthnews.com/garden-planner/vegetable-garden-planner.aspx
Tons of Gardening/Farming PDFs
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
Aquaponics
http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx
US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml
Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx
Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com
Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html
A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm
Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/
Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php
Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org
Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html
Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf
Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/
More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics
Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps
So I posted in the last thread about my starfruit and mango trees... Mango I think has some kind of disease, but the starfruit apparently just needed more fertilizer lol. I had been using a sprayer but I don't think enough soaked into the soil so I jut dumped a bunch in and now it's growing even faster and the leaves are big and green instead of small and light green/yellow.
Wish I had realized that a couple of years ago, I'd have a nice small tree with fruit by this point.
Mango still looked ratchet and has dried up brown yellow leaves, but I did notice a small green bud starting to form, so hopefully with the heavy fertilizer dose and pesticide/fungicide it will pull through.
I'll get some pictures when it's less hot and sunny outside.
>>797139
Anyway next up I've got about 7 pineapples that have been just sitting in water for a few years, need to get them in soil so they can actually produce.
Kind of want new trees but I guess it's late in the season for that. I really want to replace a fig and a loquate that didn't make it before, and even had an addenium die that had been with me for over a decade :( Had beautiful flowers too but I accidentally left it outside one night since it wasn't supposed to get close to freezing... But I guess it did. :(
>>797142
>Growing pineapples
Doesn't it take like 3 years just to get a single pineapple?
>>797143
Yeah 2 to 3 depending on your growing season. Some of mine are 3 years old but being they're just sitting in cans of water they aren't really doing much.
>>797143
Grow one, it's a fucking awesome plant when young. Like aloe but less of a meme plant and way more beautiful.
Feed with used/completely dry coffee grounds and leaf litter.
Look for a pineapple at the grocery store and stick the top in the ground. It's easy as fuck and high chance of survival.
They can take 1 basket of grounds every 2 weeks.
Caught this one laying eggs on my rooting brassicas. Bitch didn't know I had a butterfly net.
She's pretty, but cannot be allowed to go free. Wat do? I'm thinking about sticking her in the fridge and then looking at her under a microscope.
>>797189
Take her with you on your next trip out and release her.
>>797112
Maybe the insects you saw where just collembola ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springtail ). If that was that, it's not dangerous. Anyway, did you rinse the soapy water away after doing this?
More or less big leaves are not substantially a problem. As you say, it's just that the shadow may inhibit bud growth below it. Sometimes when you want a stem to grow from a bud, you remove leaves which shadows it. But your plant seems to be well lighted so I wouldn't mind at all.
For the watering, once again checking moisture with your finger is a good idea. Usually, if it still moist some inches down, don't water. Also, it's better to sometimes water a lot, than to often water a little.
For the coriander, there isn't really a lot of leaves remaining to allow you to cut above a pair of leaves without any risks. (Often, when you want the plant to get busher and a bigger stem, you could "top" it, meaning you cut above such or such pair of leaves. But it's a good idea to keep at least 3-4 below the cutting point, to allow the plant to recover in case of mistakes).
So, I'd say just give it more light. If it haven't seen direct sunlight yet, you may want to harden it before doing it, otherwise you'll get the leaves burned.
Last, maybe you should consider sheltering your plants if it often rains. With bigger pots it wouldn't really be a problem (it could deal with more water), but with this tiny ones it's more random.
The idea to keep in mind, for most of the plants (there are variations...), is that the soil should have some time to dry between two waterings.
The other thing is that a plant deals much better with dryness than with over-watering.
Same thing for your herbs. Once again, putting your finger into the soil is the best way to know. With trials and errors you'll even learn when a plant needs to drink given the way its leaves look, but for a beginning I think this finger tip is a good one.
>>797143
Also do not use aluminum coffee cans. I left mine out in the rain and this bastard ended up covered in rust looking exactly like spongebob's house.
Hilarious but also 20 cuts, hurt fingers and much pain from having to get it out of the can.
I thought it was stainless. Dumbest thing I ever did.
Must be that time of year again, because I found these 2 faggots being gay on my tomato plants.
(Sorry for the focus)
>>797212
I've never had the pleasure of seeing those in person. Do they trash the tomato plants?
>>797191
I'd be happy to look into doing that. I have a soft spot for pretty butterflies. I just loathe what these guys do to garden brassica plants.
I did find out today that it's super easy to spot the larvae with a red led light shining through the leaves, which was great, since they're so green and blend in otherwise.
>>797143
My concern (and reason I never bothered with them) would probably be their need to have temperatures constantly(!) over 21°C else they get damaged (aka zone 14a).
That means here I could place them outside overnight for an average of about 2 days per year (when nighttime lows stay above that) and for the rest of the year would have to excessively heat the house. Spending several hundred € for extra gas per year on a single plant isn't quite worth it tbqh
>>797220
>Do they trash the tomato plants?
They'll eat every single leaf on your plants and leave you with nothing but stems if left unchecked. Pepper plants too.
Back when I had no idea what they were I noticed my pepper plants looked like they were dropping leaves, then a day or so later, they were almost completely bare and I found some of those bastards and their poop all over the ground.
If you ever see anything like pic related, you better look close and remedy the problem ASAP.
>>797189
Destroy.
Fuck those things. They can lay a single egg in the blink of an eye with the barest of a touchdown in flight. One of these days I'll have an enclosure for keeping all the moth-types out of the brassicae.
>>797143
2 years mostly. That's how long mine took. You also double your amount of plants every time they have a new pineapple.
>>797194
Aluminum doesn't rust. You had a galvanized coated, aluminumized coated, or merely very shiny steel can.
>>797188
Yeah pineapples are so easy to grow. Every time I eat a pineapple I plant the top. Sometimes they die, but probably 90% survive. Even so they're free plants!
>>797251
How big a pot are you using for those?
>>797193
>collembola
Maybe dude, but my mint was all kinds of fucked until I sorted it out. It only just now seems to be doing better since I got rid of them.
Thanks for all your help. I'll post some updates if you're interested in future homegrowmen threads (or just this one given how slow this board is.)
>>797258
I guess I'm lucky in that. I'm only zone 8b (maybe 9a these days with global warming) and generally only have to bring them in for a week or two.
>>797261
You're welcome! All in all, the important point is that your mint is doing better. Don't hesitate to post updates, I'll try to read them.
>>797263
Huh I'm 8a, are all those sites claiming they need equatorial temps year-round lying to me? What's the coldest you expose your plants to?
>tfw it's 106F outside
Pray for my plants. I'm a gardening noob, and this is my first try.
>>797270
Yeah, this year has been and is going to be toasty in the US.
>>797212
they turn into the largest moth in north america if I remember correctly
but yea, they are fucking bastards and deserve to be exterminated
>>797270
They probably thrive better than in our shitty neverending autumn (but lo and behold, we just went a whole day without rain for the first time in 2 weeks or so!)
Still, it's a bone-chilling 12°C here right now at 0:45 local time
>>797251
>Destroy.
Yeah, I just looked into them some more and it is definitely not getting released. It's in line for the fridge->microscope after a leafminer moth I caught. I wish I was a better mad scientist and could do something more useful with it.
>>797236
Their poop is adorable. :3 Thanks for the info.
>>797257
3-5 gallon. I had a like 5 plants I think.
not even talking about man made vs non man made global warming
is anyone else terrified that basically the past 15 years have been the hottest 15 years on record?
>>797264
Will do. One final thing: when it comes to harvesting mint leaves is there any method I should chose? I assume I should just take from the top. Do I take just leaves or pinch off a bit of stem with several leaves?
Also where did you learn about plants? There's so fucking much to learn!
>>797265
Not him but mine die if they encounter a frosty morning. It takes a few days for them to show the signs that it has killed them though. They seem to suffer around 45F.
>>797287
yeah we're all fucked and as such I really dont think I'm gonna have kids
>>797287
In all honesty, in my place I don't care. It really doesn't make any difference whether the annual average is 10, 11 or 12°C here, there's still way more than enough rain
Sahel zone becoming drier? Pfft, like I give a fuck about them
>>797287
It's the rapture.
All sinners will perish.
>>797286
Ah thanks. I've got a pair of clay pots that size, and some nursery pots.. Probably need to go buy more actual pots though for all my pineapples. Don't want to have to buy/make too much soil lol but I do want them to come to term.
>>797287
Honestly? Not really.
I'm a geophysicist, and there have been fluctuations in temperature all through the past, massive ones. The Earth has been nearly entirely frozen, and it has been primarily barren desert. The earth doesn't give a fuck about what we find comfortable.
In any case, as far as I know, man made or not there isn't exactly anything we can do about it. Just have to learn to adapt, try to go back to designing houses for the climate they are in, rather than cheap mcmansions that are shit for insulation and airflow and such. And of course having actual gardens and planting trees to shade houses and such... Basically a more disperse rural lifestyle over packed together treeless suburbs just shitty cheaply made huge houses and cement that are hell without powerful A/C systems.
>>797289
>45F
That can occur here as night time low anywhere between September and May, very rarely also in the height of summer, but of course not inside.
Maybe they are cultivatable similarly to decorative bananas then, of which I have 2 (indoor year-round, as they also dislike anything below 18°C/65°F which is what I keep room temps at mostly)
>>797253
But still that thing was literally spongebob's house by the time I transplanted it.
>>797188
How do you feed the grounds to them?
Just dump them on top of the soil around the pineapple?
>>797143
Most trees take a while to fruit, don't they?
>>797305
After planted yes. Mix a handful or two of bone dry used grounds with lower layer leaf litter and dirt from underneath the wintered leaves.
Stir it up in your pot and toss the plant in, water very lighly unless you are transplanting which requires tons of water.
Keep it dryish for 2 days after you top the pineapple and throw it in, to keep mold from getting going.
After transplant just sprinkle dry grounds around the plant, but not touching it.
Accidentally did all this and holy shit that thing grew from a 4 inch tall baby to a 1.5ft wide 1ft tall monster in 3 months, healthy as could be.
I couldn't believe the growth rate, but the only information I had beforehand was that acidic plants fucking love used grounds.
Pineapple is just the type of plant to lose it's shit over coffee.
>>797322
>every year people start rumors that the earth will end
>2500 years of jokers and still people believe the shit they spew
THE EARTH WILL END IN 2012/DECEMBER/TWELVE GUYS
Endlessly retarded species. Tell me how the fuck it takes you 912,000 days to realize that nothing is happening?
>>797288
As you say, try to mostly take it from the top. Pinch the stem with it, because a stem without leaves/buds above it (or too little ones) will rot (see pic related). All in all mint is resistant, don't be too afraid.
(Also for "topping" when you want a plant to get bushier - you can do that on the mint you posted, but not on the coriander for the moment. Remember to keep some pairs of leaves below the point of cut, even more if you're beginning).
I can't really say how I learn, I think mainly with Internet, searching every thing I could for each plant I was growing. Then you experience it with your plants and it becomes much more tangible.
When you begin, I believe the first things to know may be about soil structure/composition, and the basic ways plants grow, and how you can play with this.
If you don't already know about it, maybe you could learn about what a terminal bud is, and how it inhibits growth below ; then what id does to buds below when you remove it, how all of these react to light...
That way you'll understand better why I tell you to pinch just above buds, how to direct such or such bud growth, etc.
Search some articles or read forums about "how to prune", "how to top" (and why you should or shouldn't top or prune...). Then with your own experience you'll know how such or such plant react to these things (by example, if you want a plant to get ramified stems, you'll soon realize that topping works wonder on pepper - which often don't need it - but far less on young avocados, which have strong apical dominance and will "try" to keep only one stem if you don't "force" them)
And, once again, don't water too much, it's one of the biggest cause of plants' death when one is beginning.
>>797329
Also, about the proper way to cut, pic related :
On the left, it's ok. You cut with an angle to avoid water to flow toward the bud. The lowest point of cut is just above the bottom of the bud.
On the center, it's too far from the bud : the part above it will rot.
On the right, it's too close to the bud (lowest point of cut is below the point of junction between the bud and the stem) : it will inhibit its growth.
>>797329
sweet thank you I will take all of this on board! What is your job? plant related?
>>797347
Pineapples do get giant in bigger pots.
Biggest one you can buy I'd say.
>>797345
I wish it was! Sadly, I'm far from knowing enough to work in it.
>>797306
Most trees need to be healthy and a few years old to fruit. Yes.
>>797357
hobbies make life fun though. what is it you do for work? are you european?
>>797390
Yes I am, for the moment mostly seeking a PhD in social sciences so I wouldn't call that a related job (nor a job)... What about you?
Can anyone ID these? I think they're mustard greens, but I can't remember what I planted in this row.
Alright here is my starfruit. Shitty picture but obviously much leafier and happier, tons of new sprouts everywhere!
>>797453
And the mango, still sad looking but has several fresh green proto buds popping up!
>>797456
Fresh bud forming! First signs of life in ~6 months. Late December it started a flower stalk while I had it inside, but it dried up and died.
>>797458
Finally, wtf is this bug? These little bastards are always all over the mango tree, and I'm starting to find them on the starfruit as well since I've been spraying the mango. They still come back pretty much as soon as I'm done spraying though.
I'm pretty paranoid though because I lost a fig tree in part due to boring beetles.
>>797459
FUUUUCK closest thing I'm seeing as I try to find this little fucker is the emerald ash borer. Not quite the same but same body shape and size... And there is a dead as fuck tree by my house that I'm thinking might be ash. Was a live but kinda fucked up one growing off a dead stump even closer to my deck but it fell over in the recent rains here in Texas... Shit I need to contact A&M about this shit probably, they're a recent invader into Texas...
is meller-anon around? just curious how it's doing is all
>>797459
>>797463
Never mind actually, I found it! Broad headed sharpshooter... Dunno if it's good or bad though. It's not boring or doing anything that I can see aside from constantly being on the plant.
As for the fig I think it was longhorn beetles. There was sawdust and bored and larvae, and saw a few adult longhorn beetles around my deck.
>>797459
>>797469
Sharpshooters suck large amounts of sap out of your plant. Something like 100 times their body weight per day.
I have a large number of glassy winged sharpshooters and some of those you posted that get on my okra and cucumbers. Apparently they can spread some diseases and viruses to your plants too.
Trying not to spray because I have a lot of ladybugs too, so I just try to shake or pick them off when I can.
>>797469
Shit apparently these little bastards carry Pierce's disease which is a big problem for grape vines around here. Could that be what's affecting my mango tree, causing those burnt leaves? Also some sort of black splotchy areas on the stem, but I don't think it's anthracnose... If it is pierce's disease, I don't guess there's much I can do about it except hope my tree is vigorous enough to over come it... As far as I know there isn't really any treatment for it.
>>797476
I'm just going to start killing them whenever I see them. They're camera shy but pretty stupid and easy to catch.
>>797464
I'm here, Anon. I was going to do a 1 week update, but didn't get around to it. Meller actually has a buddy on the same plant that's outpaced his growth and is now about a foot long. And I'm pretty they're Charleston Greys.
Pic related is what they're starting to look like. Long, skinny and no stripes.
What the heck is this?
>>797482
>about a foot long
wow, nice. expecting to harvest around august? are they still covered in little hairs or does that go away as they grow?
>>797485
Bugs.
>>797494
>expecting to harvest around august?
No clue, never grown watermelon before. Think I planted them around mid-April though.
>are they still covered in little hairs
Pretty sure they're both smooth now, like the one in the pic, only smaller.
>>797504
well, sleep tight mellers. they'll be ready when they're ready!
>>797485
That's caused by physical damage to start out. Secondary infection after that probably.
So I need to jury rig some covers for my tomatoes/peppers because they're getting sun burned despite what looks to me like decent foliage on the tomatoes. What's good to use?
>>797504
>No clue, never grown watermelon before.
The spot on the bottom is how you tell if a water melon is ripe. It will start out white then deepen in color towards yellow and sometimes amber when ready to be picked. Depends on variety sometimes.
>>797519
Just buckets. Really nothing else you can do but plant them in partial shade.
If you live in the mountains the sun will almost always rape your plants.
>>797522
The plants are already well established. I put them in a really bright spot because plants love sun and they're growing like weeds, but I'm losing lots of fruit. I was thinking I coul maybe get some light burlap or the like to simulate shade though. Would whatever regular row covers are made from work or do I need something different? I think the real trick here is going to be that I can't move anything from shortly after sunrise to well after solar noon so I can't block TOO much light.
>>797528
If there's a fence next to them, why not?
String the burlap up. Nothing you can do about a bad plant spot, it's going to be a tedious summer for you man.
>>797585
If you find any bugs remove them dude. Tomatos only remove if the scar doesn't heal.
The other guy might be right, just a scar, but if you see worm tracks coming up keep an eye on the plant. Tomatoes are really easy, I don't think you'll fuck it up.
>>797590
I haven't seen a seen a single bug so far, but I'll keep looking. Something big (like mammal big) already ate about 3 though. I really hope I don't fuck up tomatoes of all things.
>>797585
if it is blight I would remove it and hope for the best. If it's bugs I'd cull it, the plant will make more. Blight can stay in the soil for a year or so, and you'll need to rotate your plants. Pic related, it's blight.
>>797596
If it's blight, remove the affected fruits or the entire plant?
I'm trying to look up how to tell what it is for sure. I also know pretty much nothing about crop rotation.
So my seed packets say to space my rows at 18" and plants 8'-12' apart but I see pics of people's gardens which are just filled to bursting with what looks like lush dense vegetation. What's the deal?
>>797609
OP, I don;t think that's blight. Try tog et some pics of your stalks/stems. If your fruit is affected, then your whole plant is screwed, and there should be some weird looking places on your stalks. If you see some, take some pics.
If it is blight, there's not a whole lot you can do. People around here remove plants and burn them. You can spray copper, and many do that, but that's usually as a preventative.
>>797417
good for you. I manage a wine bar, far from related also. Although I do know about the vinification process and how climate affects the grapes etc
>>797609
Remove the fruit now. Keep an eye on the future fruit for the same thing. If if keeps repeating then remove the entire plant.
>>797689
Seed packets state 1 type of farming method. There are 100s of farming methods. The general rule for plants is to plant far enough apart so that their leaves a full grown size over lap about an inch or so. That way they don't crowd each other for sunlight but do crowd weeds.
Various types of plants can be planted much closer and some need to be. Corn is a good example. It should be planted fairly dense, but not so dense that the pollen from the top can't reach the silks at the ears in the middle of the stalks.
>>797270
Yup, it got to 108f here yesterday, and today is supposed to be similar. It has been hotter than fuck here the past week or two. My potatoes aren't happy. They need water every day or every other day. Same with my walnut seedlings.
>>797743
Where can i find information for optimal planting distance?
I have easily 500 Virginia strawberries and some woodlands, and this is about the most I get in a day. Too bad they can't breed these to be productive without sacrificing that wild flavour.
>>797834
not do be a dick, but google m8
So I called my local cooperative extension and am heading out now to pick up a soil test kit to get my soil tested in a lab for FREE. So if you are wondering what's up with your soil, go there first.
Can plants get autism?
>>797931
You probably are talking about this plant that is mistaken for a strawberry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_strawberry
It is actually a potentilla and a foreign invasive.
>>797934
Yes but only highly enlightened beings and other plants can tell.
>>797935
We call those pincushion berry they taste the same. The wild strawberries are just, "meh".
>>797948
Weird, you must be located in a warm climate or somewhere outside of NA/Europe, because the wild strawberries here have the most concentrated flavour of any in the world.
anyone got any idea what kind of Arctium this is?
I'm unfamiliar with the genus.
>>797700
Great! It's not that far if you know how climate affects grapes.
Do you intend to grow grapes also?
Btw, I've just read things about noble rot on Sauternes wine, it's quite interesting how a "sickness" may be used to give taste.
>>797347
Yeah I know about Musa basjoo, it can even be planted outside here (seeing it in gardens around every now and then) but usually dies back (above ground parts) in most winters, to re-shoot next spring (only very mild winters like 2013/14 when it never dropped below -4°C allow the green parts to survive an extra year)
Growing season is too short/cool here though for it to produce edible fruit (for comparison we only get true black olives by December/January in not too cold years)
>>798029
Arctium debrayi Senay
Check again when it blooms.
Anybody know what sort of badness is attacking my basil?
It almost looks like sunscald, or maybe bacterial leaf spot.
Should I cut them off immediately? Are they safe to eat?
my hibiscus is blooming!
>>798157
Looks like sun burn to me. Did you expose it to the sun all of a sudden, without hardening it?
If it's sun, no need to cut, and safe to eat. If it's bacterial, you'll know soon (it'll expand). I doubt it would be unsafe to eat anyway, it's a very small quantity.
>>798157
that looks more like sun damage to me
>>798166
Also it has gotten bigger over the past day or two, and the basil next to it is showing small spots just like this now too.
Don't know if that means the other one is just starting to get sunburned, too, or what.
>>798174
I don't directly remember since it was a few weeks ago, but it was likely several hours of direct and several hours of indirect every day.
My pots are on a covered balcony, so they only get direct sunlight from noon onwards. I have 2.5 sets of leaves underneath that have no visible discoloration.
Right now they probably get 5 to 6 hours of direct sunlight a day in the afternoon.
Maybe it's time to harvest the top leaves anyways so I don't have to worry about it spreading if it is an infection.
>>798170
(Another one)
I got a lot of my shit burned when I moved it outside (tomato, bell pepper, fig, watermelon...), but my basil I started indoors in December and then pretty much directly planted outside in May without much getting used to the sun, didn't mind it at all
>>798176
Maybe your hardening was too hard... I wouldn't had put it in direct sunlight before a good week in bright environment.
Anyway if you worry that much, you've got indeed enough leaves under them to harvest the top ones (and you'll be reassured)
>>798178
Also I shall add that this applies to my various other Lamiaceae seedlings/cuttings too I started indoors over winter (rosemary, oregano, thyme, lemon balm, mint, sage), none of them got any leaf burn upon even abruptly putting them outside, seems the whole family is quite resistant to sudden UV change
>>798162
Very nice! What variety?
>tfw you find soldier flies are partying in your compost pile
feels good man
>>797464
sleep tight meller
Want my radishes to grow hearty and strong
Planted a bunch of stuff in my backyard. Got some green beans, carrots, potatoes, spinach, butter lettuce, and garlic chives.
Pic is of my green beans.
>>798195
Pretty sure I've seen these beasties in New Zealand.. is it beneficial to have them in your compost heap or just cool to look at?
This is probably pretty common but I dunno what it is. Volunteer, northern CA.
>>798346
Radish plant. They are entirely edible and the seed pods are great so long as they are not too old. Save some seed when they turn brown. They can volunteer for years if you let a few go to seed and you till them in.
>>798362
Thanks. This is my first year gardening so I had no idea they get that big when they bolt.
>>798303
super beneficial. if I had chickens I'd be even more excited
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetia_illucens
pic is a soldier fly compost bin on day 1. day 3 inc
>>798543
day 3
>>798366
Stir-fry the seed pods, they're delicious. Bit spicy for fresh eating though.
>>798545
Wow, those guys work FAST. I want some!
>>798299
Is it supposed to be that dry?
>>798031
I intend to but only when I own a home with a good sized garden. I inherited a grape vine In a pot from someone a week or two ago but they didn't look after it. If I have a decent garden then yes I intended to grow grapes for wine one day, depending on my location.
Fascinating isn't it? Sauternes is amazing, we pair it with certain sweet cakes.
Pretty sure my thai basil is kill. leaves are getting yellow and limp, and some have brown discoloration.
At least my bell pepper is growing very well...
Fuck, I think one of my apple trees has fireblight.
But I'm confused, doesn't fireblight usually start at the blossoms or the tips of new growth and work its way down? I have this rusty, peeling bark on the trunk of my tree with no other signs of disease anywhere else.
>>798688
from what very little I can see, I'd say you're over watering it, and it likes to grow at a higher temp than room temp
>>798690
Could also be a bactericidal infection of the bark itself.
If it is its near impossible to remove
>>798696
Man I hope so, I really don't want to have to deal with fireblight in my orchard so soon.
>>798694
its not overwatering, but im gonna re-pot before i do anything drastic. also im gonna put drainholes in the pot.
>>798688
That intertwining of the stems thing may look nice decoratively, but the plant doesn't like it.
Had a Pachira aquatica sold the same way, and after a year or two it was kinda struggling, so I only let one of the 5 stems stand and hard pruned it in early March, so that just one or two leaf buds remained.
Has shot quite a few new leaves since then
>>798700
Could you take a picture of the soil? Also the lack of drain holes is not very engaging regarding over-watering
>>798700
>its not overwatering,
>also im gonna put drainholes in the pot.
heh, ok, good luck
>>798702
Cute ladybug.
>>798702
Whoops, totally missed that you weren't referring to that one in the middle of your pic, but my point still stands
>>798700
Aside from making water control difficult, not having drain holes also often builds up unwanted salinity (unless you only ever use distilled water), so the roots "burn" eventually
It's out now
>>797143
from a top it can take upwards of 18 mo, but once you get a mother plant you can start breaking off suckers and slips and they bear much sooner...
>>798703
soil is moist. i dont want to drown the sprouts that popped up. the plant grows well but just started turning yellow.
>>798709
Oh. It was so cute, though.
>>798712
oops forgot the pic
>>798716
Surface doesn't seem to be that humid, but if you didn't put drain holes it may very much be drowning at the bottom... Are the stems soft?
>>798715
Found a new home in a more frequently passed-by place in the meantime
>>798718
no, they're strong. almost as strong as my rosemary.
>>798716
How deep is that pot? At least for my regular basil, it quickly grew its root very deep
Pic related my December seedling shortly before I had planted it out in the garden in late April, by that time the roots had already come out of the drain hole and were going in circles massively at the bottom, was surprised to see that when whacking away the pot, such a puny herb has so much root growth. Maybe yours' roots are also already concentrated at the bottom where it may be too wet?
>>798724
not as deep as yours..and youre right, i pulled my plant out of the pot no problem. the whole bottom is roots.
>>798729
Yeah, definitely time to repot bigger then, for convenience use one with drain holes right away
Does /out/ like my pepper plants?
>>798112
I think it's just a normal Arctium lappa.
![IMG_20160621_174340[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V4sdZJT.jpg "IMG_20160621_174340[1].jpg")
>>798733
i just found out the "degradable" plant sleeve was still all around the root. i just ripped it off the sides and my sister and i repoted in dry dirt. will buy a better pot friday.
>>798740
Looks good, but they need larger pots and eventually more space.
![IMG_20160621_180247[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gNGM4Gx.jpg "IMG_20160621_180247[1].jpg")
>>798740
Nice!! check out mine. 3 weeks old. any advice? my grandma suggested seperating them but i am not sure if it is more than one plant.
>>798748
Are they still going to get that much more bigger? I thought they'd stop growing when they start producing fruit.
>>798752
Cute. Did you start with seeds?
They look like two in this picture. And grandmas are almost always right in these thing.
>>798756
yeah, straight from a fresh red bell pepper. i wasn't sure it would sprout but it kept absorbing water then eventually poof! i won't pull it out until it gets grows some more.
>>798761
Seriously? Cool.
Yeah give them time, eventually you'll have to repot them and then you'll see it anyway.
>>798744
Those degradable pots don't usually matter though and can be kept in as the roots will easily penetrate them
Might take years for the pots to do so completely but they will eventually degrade
Had my forest strawberry seedlings sitting in those until about mid-May then planted them out in the garden with those planters still attached, and while they did jack shit before (were still as broad as a single compartment of those planters or about 5cm), since then they've really exploded in growth despite the cold rainy weather
tl;dr giving your plants adequate root space is key
>>798773
Comparison to just one month ago, shortly before they got planted
>>798753
Thos pots are dinky. Puny pots give puny production.
>>798753
1 plant can nearly cover the entire space you have for all your plants. See this spacing? Even it is way too crowded.
>>798753
They slow down the growing when they're flowering, but they're still growing.
For me the pots are just a little too small, but not that much. They could deal with it for the moment.
I see you use stakes, are they really necessary or just out of caution? If the stems aren't sturdy enough, you may find benefits in topping to thicken them.
>>798791
Precaution mostly.
Wouldn't I lose most of all the up-and-coming blossoms if I cut the tops? Most of them are on the very top.
>>798722
dat lantana tree
>>798753
Who are you growing for? I grow peppers in similar pots and I am drowning in peppers every year. But I'm the only one eating them.
But, also, I grow varieties that are small and fruit heavily. If I was growing shitty bell peppers I'd plant them each in a 1-mile by 1-mile plot and try not to look at them funny. No one is wrong in saying that more space is good... but I'd disagree if anyone says it's required beyond what you've already got if you're growing something smaller than bells.
I tried making a dish with thyme and had a horrible time trying to get the leaves off the fragile stems. So much so that I almost ripped the thyme out of my garden. I'll keep it for Garni only
>>798799
you were doing this but the stems kept breaking?
https://youtu.be/n1pR4O2Zc98
>>798802
Yup. It was horribly annoying.
>>798802
Add to that non of the stems were long enough to get such a tidy amount as in the video. MAybe my grown thyme will be better when/if it grows better.
>>798803
If the stems are that fragile, you could try just including them in what you're cooking? Chop them up with the leaves.
Anyone had luck with these?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabuticaba
>>798793
You would lose what you cut, indeed. But you tell me the stems are ok, so it's up to you to decide. Anyway you'll have a lot of peppers with all these plants.
I top my plants because I over-winter them and want them to get bushier and thicker. In that case flowering isn't really a problem : when the plant is in appropriate conditions, it will flower no matter what. But the flowers coming from new stems (after topping) could be not ripe enough at the end of the season if you don't over-winter them.
Worst case, you may try your hand on a single plant, see how it reacts and how much time it needs to get new "productive" stems...
>>798789
Maybe I worded myself wrong - as of now those degradable pots are still in there so the roots must've gone through them.
The growth was only slow while they sat only in the tiny (each hold maybe 50ml of soil I think?) pots themselves, before I put them in the ground
>>798795
It's in its 3rd season after buying now and supposedly hard to get over winter here, but even as a total gardening noob I had no trouble with it the last 2 winters
>>798799
When I need some I always simply cut whole "twigs" from my thyme shrubs with scissors and don't bother removing the leaves from that, just take the whole twigs
>>798805
>thyme trouble
Seconding. I have trouble with thyme, dill and mint (yes mint) in my yard.
Though, I've had some success sticking mint in with my bog plants this year. It seems to really like being in a bog situation.
>>798806
I thought about that but I was sure because the bottoms were woody but the upper half were really fragile so I imagine I would have ended biting unto wood or getting stuck with it. I was making breaded fried eggplant so what I ended up doing was in the end was just tossing it directly into the oil for a bit.
>>798797
No bell peppers. habaneros, tabascos, cayenne, jalapenos, trinidad perfume, anaheim, chocolate snack pepper a mysterious one with purple fruit (had no label, got it for free) and 4 no name hybrids from the local garden center.
I'm the only one eating them as well here most of the time.
>>798810
They're able to survive for more than one year?
Anything speccial you do for/with them over winter so they survive (except taking them inside)?
>>798825
I can tell you I have great luck with habaneros in small pots, (though you can get huge glorious hab bushes in the ground). Cayenne works great in pots too.
I'm sure any others you've listed that are smaller than a jalapeno will be good too. My first post was not quite right, I'd actually do anything jalapeno size and larger in a larger pot or in the ground. Though there are some quirky exceptions like some cowhorns.
But anyway, I like your pepper plants. They look happy. :)
>>798816
This is my first time using the garden area of the house I've lived in for 10 years. This is my second year trying to get stuff to grow. Last year I either totally drowned my seeds or displaced them with my six foot drop watering style. I'm surprised none of them sprouted from off my porch. This year i know more but it seems my soil is lacking something. I sent some soil samples to my local Cooperative Extension and they're sending them to Raleigh so I should know what it needs in 1-2 weeks.
These are all the indoor plants I have atm. I just bought a legit seedling thing 5 days ago. If I had known that Okra grows like a such a sumbitch I would have bought two and put it in its own thing so I could have kept the greenhouse on the rest of the seedlings. It's a learning experience.
>>798816
Are you having it in a very wet place where the soil drains really bad?
It doesn't like it too wet. That being said, my November T. vulgaris seedlings (like 15 or so total) are all growing like crazy and flowering all over the place (not uncommon to see 5 or 6 bees on a single shrub at a time), even though we have heavy clay soil and very rainy weather so far
>>798832
That place looks kinda dark desu. Assuming the garden is yours and it's summer now in your place, put that shit outside!
>>798836
It's dusk. I wanted to take a pick during the day but my phone has a low battery and wouldn't let me. It gets like 100 degrees in the day time here. I think they would shrivel. don't I have to harden them off first?
>>798832
Our backyard garden hasn't been used in over ten years here as well, but next year I want to try planting strawberries. My gran used to always have a garden, though, with cucumbers and squash and corn and so on and so forth and my dad used to carry it on, but it just fell into disuse. I haven't got anything in the ground for this season, but we do have a fig tree that came with the property that should be shitting out fruit soon. We also have a couple of black walnut trees and some pecans, so hopefully the squirrels won't get them this year. I also found some weird plant with what looks like pea pods hanging off it hanging around near my fig, but I have no idea what it is yet.
>>798828
They're mostly cultivated as annual in temperate climates, but they're perennial in South America, and so are they if you get them back in when it's getting colder (I live in France, zone 8b)
I trim them a little, because there isn't enough light at home to enlighten all the leaves. Mines are two years old I think.
The great thing when you overwinter them is that they almost immediately flower once weather gets good. Also, they get quite woody which is aesthetically pleasing. Some even do bonsais with them (pic related).
>>798842
>shitting out fruit
lol
I recommend making use of your local cooperative extension if you have one. Since its off-peak season the testing is free for me and "master gardener(s)" will go over the results with me if I have any questions and the result will be available online. One year in advance is perfect if your ph needs to be adjusted for whatever you're growing.
>>798840
Yes, you should harden them first (or all leaves will quickly get white)
>>798840
Assuming they spent all their time indoors, then yeah you have to gradually get them used to direct sunlight, but once they are they will immensely profit from it
Temperature shouldn't be that much of an issue (we occasionally get 40°C here too during rare heat waves, the plants don't mind), just need more watering in that case
>>798844
>>798842
>figs
Those really don't seem to give a fuck about anything, even here at 50°N where they're not native and have not optimum growing conditions, you still get 2 harvests/year and if propagated from cutting, first fruits will already appear after 2 years. Heck, they even grow on north sides of buildings even if more slowly, really as undemanding as it can get, only thing that can damage them are severe winters where it gets below -15°C which may cause a branch or two to freeze back
Also, pH meters aren't that expensive, bought one for €70 earlier this year (sure it may not have lab accuracy of 0.01, but for gardening purposes it's way more than enough)
>>798843
Some years I bring mine indoors in winter and they continue to flower and fruit.
>>798834
>Are you having it in a very wet place where the soil drains really bad?
Yeah, my mint is effectively in a tub of water now... you could say zero drainage, and doing much better than any mint ever elsewhere in the yard.
For the thyme, it was in a raised bed. It drained very well. I haven't bothered this year. I may try to simulate what you got going there and see how it goes. Thanks.
>>798849
My fig is frickin' huge, so I'm pretty sure it's older than I am. Also I'm pretty sure they're native here, I live in NC.
>>798858
>Also I'm pretty sure they're native here, I live in NC.
If we're talking about F. carica, it's originally native to around the Caucasus mountains and the Mediterranean
>>798862
It's not native, but naturalised, my b.
>>798853
Yeah, some of mine flower during winter too ! but I don't allow them to go to fruit (and I don't think they could, given my poor indoor light)
That's a quite forgiving plant, even if I wonder if a colder temperature during winter (like 15°C) wouldn't be a better thing for them long term (lifespan)... They almost never fall under 20°C, so apart for the light change, it's just a never ending season
>>798849
That's a pretty garden. House too.
>>798865
Please, not this again
I remember the last time this great and important debate was discussed here and it was awful
>>798867
Not mine though, just a few blocks away
>>798871
Pacific northwest?
>>798873
Nah, Upper Rhine Germany, but the climate is somewhat similar (mild winter, cool summer)
>>798874
Without the ubquitous rains though as I'd imagine.
>>798877
Kek, it's been raining several times a day here for the last 3 weeks or so.
It has been a very wet year so far though, every month starting from January has had above-average rainfall (June already surpassed its average now), then again last year was very dry (we have 540mm on average, last year it was 360 concentrated in the winter months, wettest year 2000 was 780 but 2016 might just beat that from what it looks)
I have 2 wooden boxes 12x16 inches. In each box there are 6 green bean pole sprouts (in the second box only 5 have sprouted at the moment). But they are in a perfect straight line, space only a couple of inches apart. Is this bad? Should I attempt to transplant them to space them out further? Have not set up the poles yet.. Have this pic and another to share.
Pic 1 of 2
Pic 2 of 2
Also the boxes are attached and cannot be moved..
>>798932
You could attempt to transplant the ones that you would otherwise thin out. I'd leave the others alone.
I'd personally thin them (maybe mad scientist experiments with the thin-ees) and plant some beans elsewhere, beans are good for planting with staggered timing.
>>798939
You don't think moving them one to each corner would help? I guess that would suck if all 4 died and I'd be left with 2... but still..
>>798948
I wouldn't move any bean plants that you care about after they've sprouted.
>>798951
I'm guessing if left the way they are, it's going to be detrimental to their health? I think I'm going to attempt a transplant of a couple that would have been thinned out and just hope for the best...
>>798887
IT was similar here in NC last month. It's been a very wet year. I blame chemtrails. They had to let us have non-drought conditions or the conventional people would wise up.
In vedic times droughts were directly the fault of wicked rulers.
>>798954
They'll just sort of fight over resources the entire time. Not the end of the world, but not the best situation for any of them.
>>798832
This guy here. What's the best way to harden these fuckers off?
>>797464
sleep tight meller
>>799058
Why are they inside?
>>799058
Put them outside in the sun for a short time daily and slowly increase the amount of time to ease them into this horrible world.
>>799058
Another method than >>799204 :
You put them outside in a bright environment, but not in full sun, and then increase to full sun period at the end of the week.
Or even better, if you got bad weather foreseen for a week, just put them outside in plain light. Once Sun comes back, they will be ok.
Hey, can you help me identify this pepper ?
>>799272
You're going to have to wait until it starts producing to have a chance at identifying it.
>>798195
reported for nsfw
>>799284
sorry, here
>>799160
Don't be a dick.
im new to gardening and i want to plant a cherry bonsai because i got a few seeds, i put 3 seeds in a pot and put some water on it, did i miss anything?
do i just wait for it to grow and throw in water every 2-3 days?
>>799464
Usually bonsai are firstly planted in plain soil, to grow thick stems, then put back in small pots. Otherwise you're gonna wait a long time before it to look like a "real" tree
>>798675
Well I hope you'll get a decent garden soon then! Don't hesitate to come back if you got problem with your vine, I know someone who did some viticulture studies back in the days.
I think I drank Sauternes only one time, I liked it. I don't know a lot sadly, only if I like/dislike something. I must admit I'm more on red wine side... (do you know Madiran wines? It's rather sharp but I like tannic ones)
>>799468
ye i didn't plant it in the small bonsai pot yet
my question was, do plants work like this? you just put them under ground and apply water basically.
>>799471
Not really, sadly. That was what I mean by plain soil : plain "earth" or big pots. Otherwise the plant doesn't grow : that doesn't mean it becomes a bonsai, that means it stays puny.
Then, yes, basically you need a good soil, and watering when it needs it. But also a lot of forming, pruning, repotting, etc. if you want it to stay healthy and beautiful.
>>799468
If you keep it pruned and root pruned from the start, would that not create a more convincing miniature tree than letting it grow thick and large and cutting it back into something small?
Like a true dwarf versus a fake. Granted it may take longer, but I would not think bonsai is about getting shit done fast in any case.
>>799523
I may be mistaken, but from all what I've read it's rather rare to start a bonsai from a small pot. So it's not a "fake" way of doing it, it's quite widespread.
Then, it's not fast either in plain soil! And forming the branches and roots remains a long term work.
You can let it in a small pot and there are people doing it that way, but I doubt it will be aesthetically anytime before a decade. The bigger pot solution gives you something to work with more easily.
Hello people I am wondering if there are any crops I could start growing now that would be able to produce something. I would like to grow something like squash or pumpkins but any other suggestions would be fine. First frost will usually be sometime in mid-late September so I am unsure if it would just be a waste of effort for me to begin now.
>>799611
Nothing really from seed I'd say other than very short-cycle stuff like radishes
Maybe you can get some pre-grown seedlings of other stuff from hardware stores
>>799622
yeah I'd be eyeing those big $14 tomato plants at the hardware store at this point
>>799626
Also you can sow corn salad late, it's usually done here in July-October depending on when you want to harvest (October to March) and then that stuff grows slowly over autumn/winter (if you'd sow it in spring it'd go into bolting mode too quickly and become inedible), I'm zone 8a though so we have many days in winter with temps of +5 to +10°C, it might not work if you have constant frost for weeks/months
>>799622
Okay thank you this is pretty much what I was expecting. I do already have one tomato plant that is doing well but I wanted to start a garden patch somewhere in my yard as well. Guess I will just have to wait till next year and get started earlier.
>>798932
Don't thin them or transplant. As long as your soil is rich, they'll be just fine.
>>798954
>>798973
They'll be fine. Bean plants don't have a huge root spread. As long as they get enough moisture and the soil is rich (if not, just fertilize with somethign from time to time) they'll be fine.
>>799611
You could still do summer squash and cukes. Depending how hot you get you could do some brassicas. Plenty of leaf veg you could do. Beans. Some cold hardy alliums (wouldn't get huge bulbs). Plenty of annual herbs. Potatoes. Carrots.
Hey guys I'm in zone 5B and have potatoes, onions, and sunflowers growing. Is it too late in the season to start anything else from seed? I was thinking of start a herb garden but I'm fairly certain it's too late.
>>799812
It depends, if you can take some indoor it's playable
>>799818
I can for sure take small samples indoors and replant when it's warmer. I just don't want to plant something that won't reach maturity before winter. Michigan winters are unfriendly.
>>799823
You could try the basics like basil? Lens also grow quite quickly if you got good sun
I have cabbage worms on my precious marijuana plants please advise.
I have only found one today although a couple of days ago I found two wrapped in between some of the fan leaves that touched. Tomorrow I'm going to pick through the whole plant and inspect it carefully but I'd like to know where to go from there.
>>797464
sleep tight meller
>>799470
Thanks, I may ask a few questions about the vine in a few days.
I'm still quite amateur when it comes to wine, there is a LOT to learn about it. Madiran wines are great but I must admit I couldn't drink a lot. You should try some syrah/shiraz wines if you haven't already.
If I ask a question again, can I use a name or something so I know I'm talking to you?
>>799903
pick them off. I like shining a strong light through the leaves to spot them. if you want to try to get the eggs too, the cabbage butterfly eggs are almost always on the underside of the leaf
non-pesticide stuff would be things like trichogramma
physical barrier stuff would be row covers, the netting they use to make wedding veils, or mosquito netting.
and then there are lots of pesticides to choose from, bt and spinosad are not very toxic to people. they need to be re-applied if it rains
What kind of nutrient deficiency does this look like? I know i mistreat them by keeping em in small pots but i have no bigger ones. Currently giving them urine/water only.
>>800052
urine?
>>798801
Yeah definitely a deficiency, liberal application of fertilizer seems to have brought them back.
I don't know the actual pH of the soil, but the chalkiness is from calcined clay which makes up ~1/3 of the mixture, and the top layer is dried out from baking in the hot sun. It's slightly damp just below the surface though.
The rest of the mixture is ~1/3 granite which I suppose is probably somewhat alkaline as well, and ~1/3 pine bark which is somewhat acidic.
>>800084
Still fighting off the fucking sharpshooters though.
Kill like 20+ of those little fucks a day and yet there are constantly more of them. Where the hell do they all come from?!
And the pesticide doesn't seem to deter them in the least.
>>800052
I don't even understand how they got so big with that little dirt
you need bigger pots. also you shouldn't give them undiluted urine, it can burn the roots
