Let's get this going. How is your season going so far sc/out/?
>>618707
A couple from my season. So far elk and plenty of birds. Moose starts in November - woohoo
>>618708
>>618709
Is that partridge?
>>618800
Three ruffed grouse and one spruce grouse.
>want to hunt
>live in the netherlands
kanker
>>618707
put a fat 7 point down from my stand on Saturday
>>618863
je kan sinds de 15de op een aantal dingen jagen kerel
How do I into hunting if I have no hunting peers?
Never even had friends who wanted to hike or do outdoors things, now I do and I can go hiking with them but I'm still a fucking scrublord to outdoors activities.
But yeah how does someone get into hunting solo.
>>618947
take a hunters safety course, buy a bow or firearm and train with it at the range, watch some videos online about stalking and tracking game and how to gut/skin/clean your harvest
heres a few links
http://hunting.outdoorzy.com/10-steps-to-start-hunting-for-a-beginner/
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/beginners-know-whitetail-deer-hunting/
small game might be a good thing to start with, and then move your way up to birds/turkey and then deer. or if you can manage to make a friend at the range and tag along on a hunt you will probably get some great tips
>>618869
you fuck it after? out innawoods with no one watching?
>>618952
nah mate, drug him back to the house and let him drain out, cut em up and had backstraps on the fire pit before 4pm :)
This is my first year hunting. I've been carrying a 22 n a 12g with me. Been kicking up ruffed grouse but most times I just watch them fly up n away. They always surprise me with how loud they are.
It's been years since being innawoods. I go to my old shooting spot and just walk a bit. Old lease road n found 2 doe. About 70ish lbs if I'm accurate. Seem about 2-3 yrs old. Gonna try to get both of them come rifle season.
Chipmunks have been niggers to me. Keep making me thinking something's just over the hill from all their rustling. On sunday I had some type of birds all flock over me n hop from tree to tree, throwing nuts n sticks at me.
Found some bear poop. Threw corn, peanuts, and sunflower seed all over the trail n brush, gonna see if I can cater to them long enough for me to come back from work n bag em.
>>618967
That's a size 13 boot for comparison on that shit pile.
Pic related are the 2 doe at around 25-30 yds. Had to zoom in just to make them show up on my iphone 4.
>>618707
Got two whitetails in interior BC so far.
Going to try to get at least one coastal Blacktail buck before the season's over but deer are really hard to find by Vancouver.
How does one learn to hunt? I've been /out/ for a while but never been hunting. I have a few scoped rifles and I have seen deer while target shooting in the wilderness but never shot a deer only because I'm not sure what to do with it once I kill it. How do I learn to butcher and skin? It would have to be out in the field because where i'm hiking I ant lugging out a deer on my shoulders
>>619016
you dont lug it on your shoulders, you attach a drag rope to it and tie it around your waist or buy a backpack style harness to drag it out with. also, read this
http://www.deerhuntingbasics.com/tracking-gutting.php
>>619024
Well the second problem is I live in an apartment and while not in my lease I really don't think my landlord is gonna dig me handing a deer upside down the the patio.
>>618973
Where was these shots taken?
>>619027
gut it inna woods, and take it too a butcher then
AZ Lifelist from this weekend:
> doe with subyearling fawn
> black bear on backroad ar 2am
> mfw no shots fired
> was not even hunting
>>619016
The best thing to do is to go with someone who is an experienced hunter so that they can guide you through the real work that takes place after actually shooting the animal.
Considering your living situation, you'd be better off gutting and quartering your deer on the spot right after you kill it. I live in an apartment too and this is what I do. I put the front shoulders, quarters, tenderloins, backstraps, liver and heart in garbage bags. I put the head in a separate one for proof of sex. This may take you more than one trip to pack out.
I butcher everything at home, vacuum seal it and freeze it immediately while typically eating the heart and liver fresh.
I haven't tasted a gamy animal yet.
>buddy and I go hunting
>hes killed a few deer and grouse, nothing myself
>we stumble upon a nice black bear
>holy fuck
>he says "want a black bear? WANT A BLACK BEAR!?!"
>i say fuck yeah
>hop out of truck, loading rifle
>BOOM
>mother fucker shot at it first
>he says "fuck, I missed."
>bear fucked outta there like no tomorrow/
Such a great season. Just like last season, and the season before.
>>619121
>hop out of the truck
Please become an hero to us all.
>>619029
Pa in anf
>>619180
Hey, at least he got out of it rather than shooting from the cab like a real garbage person.
>>618707
Terrible season so far. Missed twice on a doe, only recovered one arrow. Hit a doe and couldn't recover her. Waiting for buzzards now to get my arrow back. Purchased 6 more arrows and 3 new broadheads. $100 more spent and still no venison.
>>618707
How would you feel if you were walking to the drug-store, minding your own business, and someone just jumped out of a bush and blasted you in the face with a 12-gauge shotgun?
Hunters disgust me, the pact of all self-respecting outdoors-men should be "leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but photographs". Killing wild animals fucks with the environment in major ways, even if you consider them to be "overpopulated" or whatever BS you hear. You're just trying to justify your ruthless act.
The only case where hunting is acceptable is if you're doing it for subsistence and you have no other option. Killing for sport is disgusting and inhumane as fuck.
>>619305
Eat a dick hippy faggot.
>>619293
Sounds like you need more practice and/or stop taking marginal shots.
I'm all for bowhunting but only if the hunter only takes shots they're pretty much guaranteed to make - be within 40 yards and be broadside for heart/lung shot. Anything else is foolish.
I'd be more concerned about the wounded deer wandering around suffering than your $100.
>>619305
>complaining about /out/ on /out/
Hunting groups do more for conservation every day than you've done in your whole life faggot.
>>619016
Best way is to have experienced help or watch someone do it before doing your first. Second best would be youtube. Gutting reduces weight and you can roughly sew up the cavity to keep the dirt out before you drag it. Immediately quartering would make it much easier to carry out but I would recommend doing it out of the woods before doing it in the field. You only need a 3-4" knife to process a deer, the sharper the better and good steel that holds it's edge. You can use a bigger knife if you want but it's not necessary.
>>619063
How is heart/liver and how do you cook it? I like beef/calf liver, but I've never considered deer. Love chicken hearts.
>>619316
>How is heart/liver and how do you cook it? I like beef/calf liver, but I've never considered deer. Love chicken hearts.
Great on younger animals, not so good on fully mature or old ones IMO.
Cut liver into thin strips and fry until just cooked - do not overcook!
Fresh heart makes a badass tartar.
I'm kinda so-so overall on deer species organs so usually it becomes dog food for my retriever. I butcher my own so I also keep all the trim for dog food. Healthy and means practically no part of the animal goes to waste. I also cut out the tongue.
>>619305
So you're opposed to the ethical and sustainable harvest of free-range organic, steroid-free, and antibiotic-free meat.
Do you eat meat or wear anything made of leather newfriend?
>>619305
Perhaps you should talk to your local game warden about how hunters are so terrible for the environment.
>>619311
I rushed the shot because my vision was blurring from holding the bow drawn back for a couple minutes when she froze in a bad spot.
Deer don't wander around. They take off for 50-100yds and lay down. It didn't look like a bad shot when she took off, but the angle of penetration must have missed the vitals instead of tearing right through her diaphragm where I wanted it. Arrow landed like 3-4 inches high from where I wanted it to go. She was quartering heavily toward me, almost looking straight at me. The problem was the marginal shot.
>>618939
onzin, je mag met cursus beginnen op 17 en akte halen op 18. alles daarvoor is stroperij
>>619180
Yeah? Dont like it? You prefer everyone to go hiking for a day or two, track a deer and take it down and pack it out? Hmm?
Deal with it you elitist faggot.
>>619370
>She was quartering heavily toward me, almost looking straight at me. The problem was the marginal shot.
Quartering toward is a poor shot for bow. Broadside and quartering away are both good.
>>618947
Where you live?
>>619311
A good ethical hunter. You do us proud.
I let out a few tears the one time it took me two shots to take a doe. She was one muscley beast. I had to track her for what felt like far too long to put her out of her misery. Never took a questionable shot again after that. Kinda felt bad taking such a strong animal out of the gene pool. Holy shit she was a buff doe.
>>619305
>How would you feel if you were walking to the drug-store, minding your own business, and someone just jumped out of a bush and blasted you in the face with a 12-gauge shotgun?
Good point. It's way more humane to dose them with antibiotics and raise all of them in jail and kill them for food with a captive bolt gun at the end of their short miserable lives.
These animals don't turn into unicorns that cure cancer when they get old. They die from starvation, cold, and predation.
Went once, got one grouse. Also my friend got his first kill that time.
Could be worse I guess.
Got a lot of squirrels this year. About to go bow hunting for deer in the woods behind my house. Have caught some nice bucks on camera.
>>619477
this
also, posting more photos from the game cam
>>619462
Just affects shot placement. I should have let down on my bow instead of waiting for her to move for 2 minutes before shooting. We don't exactly have a shortage of deer here though. I can take 6 per season and only 3 are allowed to be bucks. During archery/muzzleloader I can take as many does as I want with bonus tags. That's why I don't feel too bad except that I didn't get my meat.
>>619473
I tracked her for 4 hours on my hands and knees before the blood trail ran out. The trail I had were droplets. Not even full on drops. Like 1-2mm in size. I gave it everything I had to find her the next morning, but there were so many deer in the area I couldn't confirm which set of hoof prints was mine when the blood ran out.
>>618707
Seeing the fat juicy squirrels near the creek behind my house is what finally inspired me to sign up for a hunter edu course
gonna be illegal as fuck, but I am literally salivating at the thought of squirrel gravy and biscuits
>>619305
>How would you feel if you were walking to the drug-store, minding your own business, and someone just jumped out of a bush and blasted you in the face with a 12-gauge shotgun?
I'd wonder why I was living in detroit.
I also carry
>>619562
careful eating those city squirrels bro. lead builds up in their systems. better to just find some public land out in the middle of nowhere to hunt on.
>>619571
But it's so comfy
>5am
>Sit on deck in pajamas and a coat
>Irish coffee on table next to chair
>Watch the sun rise in between shooting squirrels with silenced air rifle
It's also an extra 15 bucks to use the game lands
>>619573
not in kentucky. sorry.
>>619600
I'm in NC. We are rich in delicious crawfish and squirrel. Unfortunately the state seems to be infected with pervasive idiocy.
>>619121
> Confirmed poachers
Honestly, I hate poachers!
>>619606
My state it's 10 bucks a year to take bear.
>>619609
But were you shooting at a bear during bear season?
>>619612
Bear season is Deer season
I'm not him though.
>>619616
Don't know what to tell you. But we've got them out the ass.
>>619305
I'm sure it's gotten lower.. old infogrph..
>>619454
Its called being a man you pussy fuck.
>>619454
Never packed an animal out in my life, nor have I ever shot one within a quarter mile of a vehicle. Same goes for pretty much everyone I know.
>>619734
Yet deer populations regionally continue to rise....
Hunting costs money. Destruction of hunting land by the development of homes in the middle of fuckall nowhere doesn't help either. Then the city slickers move out and don't know how to drive their escalade down a country road faster than 40 mph. Jeez they're annoying.
>>619564
Underrated post right here.
>>619469
San Jose area in California.
Not a bad first deer for somebody who browses 4chan for the gook comics. Can I get a gz
Beverslayer
>>619305
>this is all it takes to trigger a hunter
>>621029
It's just one of those cases of most hunters being confronted with people who have opinions like this.
Hey guys,
I'm getting into my first hunting season here. I'm in a cold state in the north, hasguns, and I've just finished my hunter's ed and whatnot.
Do you guys have recommendations on cold weather gear that has the best bang for the buck? I visited my local sporting goods dealer and it's nothing but BUYBUYBUYBRINGMONEY stuff marked up like crazy (Outer shells for $200 etc). I'm afraid it's so close to the season that it's markup time.
I'm following this guide here to get started with: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=54d27c086dd99e8def69bb06e8fc9c35&t=661698
Any tips or other resources?
>>619305
Nice job with the b8 m8. Got a lot of ppl rustled.
>>618967
I had grouse take off about 3 feet from me, fly towards my face and over my head. Scared the shut out of my and almost knocked me into the river.
Just got this doe today. I am pretty happy with her. Beginner hunter.
>>621911
Carrharts with cheap pullovers if you're sitting.
>>621992
Great shot, man. Decent size, too! Are you thinking of buying a bolt rifle for hunting? I would really recommend it. A lot more reliable, consistent and accurate.
>>620105
Well, Sacramento here. I've been having the same problem
Opening morning bow kill in the Florida panhandle.
>>618707
Went hunting for the first time ever today. Killed 4 squirrels. It was fun.
>>622357
Did you shoot it with that FAL?
If so you are lucky
>>622357
I have a Remington 700 30/06 that I take if I am hunting with a friend. When I am alone I feel more comfortable taking the PTR-91. I have accidentally gotten too close to moose with calves before. Not a good feeling. I'm in north Idaho so there are cougars, bears, wolves and coyotes to watch out for.
>>622704
It is a PTR-91. It holds 3" groups at 100 yards easily. I reload and can get it even tighter.
Would a camouflage cloak work for hunting? I've been hunting and wearing camouflage clothing, but I'd like to replace it (possibly) with a nice, wool cloak that I will dye different, natural colours.
It'd be like a ghillie suit, it seems. Should I at least attempt it?
>>622704
>fal
you are making me of nervious comrade
>>622675
Grats.
What's wrong with your right bicep?
>>620745
Good job
>>621992
Congrats
>>622675
Nice one
>>622743
I'd recommend the 700 every day of the week. Carry a can of spray (or a sidearm if legal where you are) if you're really worried about predators (though It's an irrational fear - just sayin')
>>622964
I don't bother with camo at all and I do well every year. But wool clothes are always good for hunting. A cloak is not a good idea though - it will get snagged and be more of a PIA than helpful.
Yup.
>>618707
OP here, went out with my cousin and got a bull moose last night. Spotted, stalked, shot, dropped right there. Cousin was pretty pumped about it as it was his first time coming out where we got a big game animal. Not a big bull, but nice young meat for the freezer and manageable size for me and the young man to deal with.
Did the gutless method and I'm now a believer. We had to haul the meat about a km to the truck and this made a HUGE difference. I'll never open a moose or elk again unless I can drive right up to it. (though I'll probably still gut deer normally) There was very little waste. Probably got about 95% or more of the meat as we would have opening it up.
>>623101
No.
Grouse are not partridges.
>>623103
How about you give the benefit of the doubt; they most likely had licenses and tags why would you assume otherwise?
Lots of people buy all licenses they'd have opportunities for each year so if they see something they want they can take it.
>>623103
Adirondacks in NY
Those fuckers are all over like Deer
>>623078
Sheesh, the quality of that photo made me think you had to shoot it ten times (all those darker spots :D)
>>623078
Mmmmm gut shot
>>619564
Kekus maximus
>>623113
Because my state issues bear liscense via drawing? Because most bear hunters in my state are super dedicated with dogs/trackers/baiting all the other shit it takes to actually kill bear? If they can get a bear liscense where they live and the bear are so plentiful you see them everywhere I want to know where the fuck it is.
>>623213
In Alberta black bear is a general license (not draw) and there's supplemental tags so you can take 2 per person per year if you want to. In western Canada black bears are everywhere and grizz are also plentiful. Lots of people bait, but many people spot and stalk or just take as targets of opportunity.
Baiting is nice so you can make sure a sow has no cubs before you shoot it.
>>619309
That's not a faggot it's a female.
>>618967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ9-YMfBX8
fixed
Got a nice 5x5 bull this year.
>such is life in Montana
>>623078
I'd probably shoot myself if I had to clean a gut-shot pig.
>>623103
You can buy tags for them in BC.
>Be hunting with my Uncle
>Uncle: "shit there's a bear!"
>I wasn't really hunting for bear and didn't really think he was either so I'm just looking at it like "Oh cool"
>Uncle: "Move the fuck out of the way I'm going to shoot it"
>I'm thinking "He's going to make me clean that fucking thing after he shoots it".
>He dumps it where it stands. Very little suffering and it dies very quickly.
>Uncle: "Hey this is the first black bear you've ever had the chance to field dress, isn't it. I know you're not into bear hunting but it'll be good for you to learn how to dress and quarter it in case of a survival situation."
>"Yeah alright" :-/
>>623396
Nice animal.
>>618869
>tree stand
puss
real men stalk
>>623412
Real men don't talk shit. I hunt for meat, I enjoy the outdoors and if I can sit in my stand for 2 hours and get some meat I would much rather do that then spend 6 hours following a deer for 5 miles. Hop off that high horse
You guys are way too easy.
>>619315
I'm a wildlife biologist and I work in conservation, I highly doubt that.
>>619326
I don't eat meat whatsoever as a matter of fact, I wear some leather but only from sustainable sources. If most hunters were truly sustainable and didn't kill things purely for the thrill, that would be a different matter. The truth is most hunting is done needlessly.
>>619370
I work with game wardens every day at my job. 9/10 times the hunters are the people that cause the problems.
>>619477
Red herring, not at all what I was saying, lrn2logic.
I believe factory farms are even worse than hunting, they're both horrible though, still.
>These animals don't turn into unicorns that cure cancer when they get old. They die from starvation, cold, and predation.
That still doesn't give you the right to kill them prematurely. They have a right to starve after a full life rather than being cut short by you for selfish enjoyment.
>>619564
Proof that hunters are basically the same as criminals, murderers, and gang members. They also carry.
>>619734
>implying deer are the only animals that are hunted
That's just ignorant.
>>621942
I honestly believe what I've said. It is quite hilarious though, people get mad for the stupidest reasons. Probably because they can't confront the ethical dilemmas involved with the choices they have made. Quite sad really.
>>623216
I'm male, what's wrong with being a hippy? Don't see why you'd hate on someone who's just happy and peaceful.
>>618707
Season's not good so far. I think I'm a shit hunter, and the universe has a sense of humor.
>Hunt squirrels and rabbits for few years, breddy good times
>GF works on 100+ acre organic farm with lots of mixed terrain, near protected wilderness areas, shitton of rabits, mule deer and coyotes everywhere
>Purchase .54cal T/C New Englander muzzleloader for huntan durr
>Farm boss says I can hunt whenever, rabbits and deer eat their crops and coyotes eat the chickens
>Go out with .22 rifle of glorious Czech manufacture to hunt rabbits
>See no rabbits, but 3 coyotes and 2 big does...but can't get close enough for a clean kill with a .22
>Very next day, take deer rifle innawoods
>See rabbits everywhere. Literally tripping over the fuckers. No deer. No 'yotes.
Why do I fail at hunting?
>>623457
>Why do I fail at hunting?
You only fail if you lose your patience. There will always be more opportunities.
>>623469
No doubt, but that's been the theme this season. I seem to always be armed with the incorrect weapon for the game I encounter.
I've heard and read that animals can sense intent, so I'm careful not to go hunting, but to "go on walks with my rifle". I always enjoy my time in the woods regardless, but I have noticed I seem to be out of sync somehow.
>>623412
this
>>623446
>I'm a wildlife biologist
It shows. If you'd studied philosophy for a single semester you might catch all the unstated, emotional assumptions in this post.
>They have a right to starve after a full life
pic related
>>621029
It's probably bait, since we're on 4chan, but people say this stuff with all seriousness.
>>623446
>They have a right to starve after a full life
You've lost all logic and are completely disconnected from reality. You're arguing that being shot, passing out and bleeding out in a couple minutes is worse than slowly starving to death. I love killing and eating animals. There is a certain satisfaction that comes from taking an animal from warm and breathing to completely processed and cooked on my plate. It pains me when hunters waste good meat when they only cut out the loins and rumps on a whitetail, but it pains me more when the deer have large die offs due to disease. I'm sure you can appreciate how over population leads to increased death by disease (competition for resources resulting in weaker immune systems across the population, etc.)
>hunters are the people that cause the problems
Of course you're going to encounter hunters causing problems when you work with game wardens- It's their job to seek out and prosecute those few!
>wildlife biologist and I work in conservation
OH, so you should understand WHY we have seasons, bag/creel limits, and restrictions on harvesting game right?
>I don't eat meat whatsoever
Thanks. Now we know you can't be reasoned with.
>>623446
>They have a right to starve after a full life rather than being cut short by you for selfish enjoyment.
Person who posted the comment you replied to here.
I don't really enjoy killing things. I see it as a means to an end (ie: getting organic, freerange, cruelty-free meat and knowing where it came from and how it was processed).
What gives predators the right to kill them for food (quite often when they're very young) but not people?
Does consciousness somehow separate us from nature? If not a part of nature, what are we a part of?
>>623446
>I'm a wildlife biologist
I highly doubt that...
I've spoken with biologists at our provincial government's sustainable resource ministry and none of them have the ignorant and narrow-minded outlook that you're presenting here.
>>623075
I don't think carrying protection from wild animals when I'm balls deep in the Rockies is a bad idea. Not gonna mess with spray and a sidearm is still not enough IMO. Battle rifle is the only way.
Kind of being sarcastic but a little serious. I've been too close to a cougar, numerous moose and a few bears. I am going to take the hardest hitting thing I have if I don't have a buddy with me.
>>623784
>carrying protection from wild animals when I'm balls deep in the Rockies
carrying protection when I'm balls deep in your mom
Kind of being sarcastic but really your need for a battle rifle is totally irrational and you'd be better served with mace - it's statistically safer and more effective, but /k/ on if that's what you need to feel safe emotions.
>>618707
>>623555
Your ignorance shows, as well. I have nothing else to say since you didn't actually respond to any of my points with any form of a counterargument, therefore I win.
>>623643
So you'd rather get shot in the face at age 15 than starve at age 80? I'd rather starve after a full-life of being free to eat and frolic and bang females all day, personally. A hunter takes that choice away from them. And it doesn't matter the manner of death anyway, you have no way of predicting that. They could be killed quickly by a predator, or fall off a cliff and die instantly. That subject is irrelevant because to me the idea in question is whether or not it's ethically justifiable to take a life.
I'm glad you at least make use of the body, but still I hardly feel you have a survival need to do so. Your actions glorify brutality, savagery, and taking of life. I don't see how anyone in a modern society can justify that.
There may be some benefits to culling herds or invasive species that have grown too large, but that should be done by professionals. The truth is many hunters don't actually follow the rules set in place, nor do they hunt in an ecologically sustainable fashion. Nature has its own way of equalizing the population, even if that means disease. History has shown that most times humans try to control nature we end up fucking it up more than before. It's very presumptuous to assume you know how something as complex as an ecosystem works.
Your post literally says "I love killing", that more than anything proves YOU can't be reasoned with.
>>623684
Good response.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to want to hunt because you want cruelty-free meat (as contradictory as that sounds), as long as you're doing it in an ecologically sustainable way. That doesn't mean I agree with the ethical act of killing. Ideally, you'd just consume roadkill or animals that have died naturally, but decomposition makes that more difficult and unsafe.
>What gives predators the right to kill them for food (quite often when they're very young) but not people?
Predators have a right to kill because they have no other options, it doesn't matter if they're young, predators have young too. As humans, we have lots of other options. In most cases (at least in America) we hunt for enjoyment, not for subsistence.
>Does consciousness somehow separate us from nature? If not a part of nature, what are we a part of?
I don't think it does, it only gives us a unique perspective. Most hunters (and humans in general) fall into the mental trap that somehow humans are above the natural laws. But as biological animals, we are just as subject to its laws as anything else. Just because we're intelligent and have technology doesn't make us any different in my opinion. Humanity in general has a hard time accepting this basic fact of life, which will probably be our undoing. I have hope that we will be able to use our intelligence to truly see our place in this world and act as stewards, rather than a species hell-bent on destroying the earth (which is what we've been doing so far).
>>623700
You don't think it's possible to be a conservation biologist and dislike hunting? You're right though most of my peers at university were avid hunters. They were also super-redneck, evangelical/fundamentalist Christians, and pretty ignorant in their own ways. I was one of the only ones not from a rural area, perhaps that's why.
You'd be surprised how little people know about biology who work in government. How is this narrow-minded? To me it seems like an uncommon view that is fiercely ignored, just look at the responses in this thread.
>>623857
>>623863
I'm not the anon in either of these posts. I hunt for meat, not for sport.
>And it doesn't matter the manner of death >anyway, you have no way of predicting >that.....That subject is irrelevant because to >me the idea in question is whether or not it's >ethically justifiable to take a life.
This is where you're wrong. I'm sorry, but it's no more complicated than this. Your attempts to attach ethical or moral imperatives to killing are mental phantasms which exist only in your perception. Until you set aside your attachment to these perceptions, you will not see to the heart of the matter. Death comes to us all, soon or late. A quick, clean death shows respect and compassion. I suggest you read the Hagakure and Marcus Aurelius.
>Most hunters (and humans in general) fall into >the mental trap that somehow humans are >above the natural laws. But as biological >animals, we are just as subject to its laws as >anything else....I have hope that we will be >able to use our intelligence to truly see our >place in this world and act as stewards, rather >than a species hell-bent on destroying the >earth (which is what we've been doing so far).
And here I completely agree. We are but one species of many, no lesser and no greater. There are far too many of us, and we have become destructive and full of hubris.
>>624007
Quote for you from Meditations:
"Why do you hunger for length of days? The point of life is to follow reason and the divine spirit and to accept whatever nature sends you. To live in this way is not to fear death, but to hold it in contempt. Death is only a thing of terror for those unable to live in the present. Pass on your way, then, with a smiling face, under the smile of him who bids you go.”
>>623863
>I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to want to hunt because you want cruelty-free meat (as contradictory as that sounds), as long as you're doing it in an ecologically sustainable way.
The majority of hunters do this. They follow regulations to a T, purchase tags and licenses that contribute to conservation and management. As a biologist, you should know that bag limits and annual limits don't come out of thin air. Poachers and wasters are looked down on as garbage people by most hunters.
>As humans, we have lots of other options. In most cases (at least in America) we hunt for enjoyment, not for subsistence.
What other options do I have if I don't want to be a nutrient deficient vegan who has to take B12 shots or someone who supports factory farming. Even if I only eat free-range livestock, what makes their lives less worthy than wild ones?
>I don't think it does, it only gives us a unique perspective. Most hunters (and humans in general) fall into the mental trap that somehow humans are above the natural laws. But as biological animals, we are just as subject to its laws as anything else. Just because we're intelligent and have technology doesn't make us any different in my opinion. Humanity in general has a hard time accepting this basic fact of life, which will probably be our undoing.
Agreed.
>I have hope that we will be able to use our intelligence to truly see our place in this world and act as stewards, rather than a species hell-bent on destroying the earth (which is what we've been doing so far).
It's entirely possible to be good stewards while killing a few animals as long as we don't do it to extinction and maintain their populations and habitats. We both want the same thing. We both want there to be healthy ecosystems to support the animals that I use for food and any other organism that inhabits it. If humanity is a part of nature, I don't see why it's somehow more wrong for me to kill an animal than it is for a bear to do so.
>>618707
Slightly atypical 6x4 muley
This season has been alright so far. Opted out of bow hunting for deer in order to spend more time hunting with my young dog. Cooper was a year old on July 4th and he's already flushed a couple pheasants and ran plenty of duck retrieves. He's the first dog I've ever trained, and seeing it all come together in the field is far and away the most fulfilling experience I've had in my life. Pic related, his very first retrieve!
>>619315
This. How many bird watchers do you know that buy a duck stamp every year?
>>624067
How many hours per week do you spend training a retriever for hunting?
What kinds of activities do you do?
Just curious.
>>624087
Not him, but my family always trained labs for both waterfowl and upland bird hunting.
Up until our dog was about 1 or 2 about once a week we'd take her in the yard and throw a retrieving dummy for her. On its own the dummy is ok, but we always wired pheasant wings to the dummies to get the dog used to the smell.
You should do exercises hiding the dummy or throwing it in dense brush, wait a minute or so, get the dog to look away so they lose track of where the dummy is, then let them try and find it. This is a good exercise for working on communication, you can train your dog to follow hand signals, verbal, or whistles.
For waterfowl we always threw a dummy off the dock at our cabin and made sure to make a very loud noise while the dummy was in the air to simulate gunfire and help the dog associate that noise positively with retrieving. Also if you have a boat you should go to marshes, different depths of water, etc to help your dog get used to different types of swimming and retrieving.
After that the most important thing you can do is get the dog out hunting and retrieving as many birds as possible when they're 1 and 2. Group hunting will help your bird retrieve more.
And that's about it.
>pic related, Rosie Lou
Alright out, I just got my first elk tag. its for a cow, nice and easy.
Anything i should know? I imagine quartering it on the spot is mandatory with how large they are, Are I'm going to is primarily hilly with an abundence of rocks and bushes.
>>624126
Have a good bone saw and garbage bags, maybe a game sled, don't put your hand in a cactus.
>>619180
This x1000
>>619293
Holy shit you fat fuck. Practice you basic fucking archery and stalk more. You are a shit being and deserve nothing but being culled and your faggot parents for birthing your subhuman carcass
>>619305
1/10 for making me reply
>>620105
You fat fuck. You couldn't waddle your add up a hill let alone pack and hunt.
>>619305
Except, Deer populations is through the roof from farming. So hunting is a good thing. You're just mad because your are a lefty wackadoodle that somehow puts animals on the same level as humans. Back to tumblr you go.
>>623446
>work in conservation
So you're the same people that let the coyote population explode and now there is no small game in my state.
>>624087
It's really hard to say how many hours per week because honestly, it's been kind of a 24/7 thing. I always have a mindset of "how will this affect him as a hunting dog". Because of this we don't play tug of war with him or anything like that.
He never had to be taught to retrieve, he was retrieving toys and small dummies at 8 weeks old, but I did reinforce the behavior with treats, etc. The main things I focused on actually teaching him were regular obedience and steadiness.
To teach him to be steady me and a friend would take him to the lake, set up a bunch of decoys, shoot off a couple .22 blanks and throw a dummy into the decoys. If he broke for the dummy before he was told, he'd get a little jolt from the e-collar. This helped him win steadiness, made him comfortable around gunshots, and got him used to swimming through decoys.
For pheasants I'd go to a game farm and buy two or three live pheasants every couple weeks. I know it sounds ridiculous, but you make the pheasants dizzy so they don't run off, then you set them in some brush and let the dog sniff the, out and flush them. This doesn't hurt the bird at all, and after the flush, they're free to live out their lives in the wild!
Here he is at about 6 weeks old.
>>624126
Never taken an elk, but I hear it's important to get the hide off ASAP if you're going to eat it.
>>624235
I think it's more important to get the guts out right away and get that cavity open so that it's cooling quickly but taking off the hide helps too.
>>624242
Yes, gut the animal first, but then take the hide off quickly. You want the meat to cool down and just gutting them isn't enough.
>>624126
I highly recommend watching some videos on the gutless field dressing method to quarter your elk. It's much quicker and cleaner than opening up the animal and it's way easier to pack out. Break down that elk asap to get the meat cooling right away for best quality.
>>624235
>if you're going to eat it
You shouldn't be hunting if you're not going to eat it.
The reason the hide usually comes off right away is to cool the meat quickly. However, if it's nice and cold (like -10 C or below) out on you can leave the hide on your quarters. This will keep the quarters cleaner (less dirt, and plant bits) and also less meat will dry out when you hang and age the quarters. But like I say, the weather needs to be right to leave the hide on.
>>624242
>>624244
Or do the cleaner and easier gutless method. But each to their own.
I typically only shoot my plinky marlin model 60 at squirrels and cans when I'm at home, m4 or m9 during weekend drills or if one of my buddies wants to visit the range. I don't necessarily want something "bigger," but I'm in the market for something versatile if I wanted to hunt innawoods around western Maryland/southern Pennsylvania/north west v.
I was initially thinking (after cursory Google searches) about the 300$ chiappa double badger, it seems like everything I want: lightweight, folding, rimfire cartridge to nab critters and .410 shell for birds or quick bunnies. I think it might also come in 22wmr/410.
Would I be better off with a shotgun is what I'm asking? I've been recommended by a friend to just get an 870 for woodcraft. It seems easier, but I can't get over the novelty of the double badger, it's just so simple and seems to fit my needs, but like I said I have very little experience with actual hunting.
>>624340
If you're considering an 870 get a used one from like the 90's. The new ones are absolutely terrible.
>>624357
Yeah, my friend told me that as well. Seems like a hassle to hunt for an older one, especially if they're valued over the new ones, nobody will want to give them up. Not impossible though.
I'd have to try out both rifles out in the bush to see which would really be the most effective, so I might end up buying both in the long run, but the double badger (or survival m6) first. I'm still thinking it might be worth it to just carry a cheap o/u 410 gun, but then if I'm carrying that why not have one of the barrels shoot a rifle cartridge?
Maybe the o/u 410 plus a revolver, but then I feel like I'm venturing too far into bubba territory, plus the added weight. Either way though it's time to flesh out my firearm collection.
>>624370
A 12g pump like the 870 is the single most versatile and useful firearm you could possibly have if you just had to pick one. It will do small game, upland birds, waterfowl, and big game (I suggest you stick within 60 yards for slugs without a rifled barrel) with ease. It's also capable of predator protection and is easily serviceable in the field.
>>624192
>stalk more
Armchair expert detected.
>>624394
Looking online there doesn't seem to be a way to filter out the new ones. I might have to check in local stores.
What's the big difference between the 90s models and the contemporary models?
>>623857
>to me the idea in question is whether or not it's ethically justifiable to take a life
Yes. And I have no ethical problem with taking that life or the lives of any animal I eat being taken. I can reason with a vegetarian most of the time, but vegans are vegans for "ethical" reasons and they always act as though they have the "moral high ground" instead of speaking on a level playing field. (do you eat oysters? you should look into what a great, pain free, ecologically beneficial animal they are to be farmed)
Cleanly killing animals is not brutal or savage. A good shot to the lungs, heart, or liver results in a very quick death. My first deer with a bow fell over while she was trying to run and died after 40-50 yards. Sure bad shots happen, but animals are crushed and killed in soybean combines too- nothing and no one is perfect. I took a shot on a doe this season that turned out to be marginal. I never recovered that doe because I thought she was dead and bumped her that night. I spent 4 hours on my hands and knees tracking droplets of blood through a cut over filled with blackberry bushes and briars- it pains me that I didn't find her, but she was taken care of by buzzards, foxes, coyotes, and the nutrients will by cycled just the same. But I learned lessons from her and I'll be able to make cleaner kills in the future as a result.
>The truth is many hunters don't actually follow the rules set in place
This is an gigantic, enormous blanket assumption that I'm going to need a reference on to even consider believing. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
>>624400
The 90's was just a time frame I threw out there, but the difference with the new ones is all in the construction. A lot of important components like the extractor and ejector were quality, machined parts on the older models, while on the newer ones they're just injection molded pieces of shit. In short, the price point has remained about the same for quite a while on them, so either they're cutting corners, or inflation hasn't affected Remington.
>>624400
Remington 870 or 1100 are great, reliable choices. Mossberg 500 is another good one. I like my Browning BPS the best, but they're pricey. I'd stay away from any stoeger- had a horrible experience with a condor o/u.
>>624396
Your tears are sweet
>>624132
>meat
>in plastic
Confirmed for neverhunted
>>624544
Why are you not supposed to put the meat in plastic?
>>618708
puppy :3
>>624553
It's lets bacteria breed like a motherfucker and traps in heat. The two worst things you can possibly do to fresh game. That is why ever single game bag ever made ever is cloth. I use these
>>624544
>not punching holes in the bag and leaving the top open to let out heat
>>624581
I use game bags like this, but I'm assuming if that dude has never elk hunted before and is going out soon he won't have any of those bags, and a bloody pack is no fun.
>>624594
>not having a game pack
>not having a game frame
Stay pleb plastic fuckboi
>>624631
You do that cupcake. Then fuck right off back to Reddit.
>enjoy your well deserved brucellosis
>>619237
There's no practical difference. You just get out of the cab to make yourself feel better.
>>623857
>therefore, I win
It's just a drive-by insult, bro, no need to take it so seriously. But for real, there's no logically consistent case to be made against hunting that doesn't also state veganism is the only ethical way to eat, so arguing anything else is so far off point that you've revealed how little thought has actually gone into your position. You could reply to literally every post here with a case for veganism, but you don't appear to have done so once. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>619293
You need to practice more. There should seriously be a marksmanship test mandatory to get a bowhunting license. European countries that have implemented these tests have much higher rates of recovered game than the US.
>>624412
Most hunters are ethical, but let's be real, rednecks are a fucking scourge and can do outsized amounts of harm when they do things like bait and kill 70 wood ducks in morning (one example I've seen with my own eyes).
>>624729
I don't succumb to bitch-ass bacteria that make your tummy upset because I'm not a geezer or a toddler.
I'll stay here because I've been here all summer but not before tipping my trilby then teleporting behind you and decapitating you with a superior japanese katana that has been flolded over 10,000 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTMw7rEsDk
Nothing personal kid.
>>624747
>rednecks are a scourge
Hardly an issue, you're making the mistake of generalizing millions because of the actions of a few. I know many more good rednecks than I do good liberals, or people from cities in general.
>>624787
I'm thinking more of a particular type that I'd call redneck in a pejorative sense. Being from Alabama I know enough of these to believe they can have a real impact on conservation efforts. There's just a sort of person who believes any limitations are oppressive.
>>624765
>trying this hard
>spewing le may mays
Confirmed for subhuman newfaggot piss
>>624747
>practice more
It was all about shot angle. I thought I was getting a good lung shot, but hit gut. She was quarting heavily toward me and I hit 2-3 inches high. Did not realize this and must have bumped her while she was laying down.
>>619600
I'm in Norway. I also do this.
Tails from Fox, Gray, and Red squirrels I've killed this season. I hunt public land so squirrels are somewhat hard to come by.
>>624340
And older 870 or most Mossberg 500 series shotgats should do the trick.
>>624340
For a bit more money you can get a savage/stevens 24 which is a bit better built but essentially the same. there are also different gauge/caliber combos.
I've got one in 22/410 as well as a 12ga and they both have their advantages. if you're mostly hunting small game while walking through the woods, I'd go with the over/under combo gun because you can take long shots. if you're going to be shooting birds or hunting with dogs, i'd go with the shotgun for the much faster rate of fire.
22/410s also make great conversation pieces for what that's worth
>>618707
My seasons been pretty good. Might be my last for a while, though.
Haven't started yet. I go with my girlfriends huge family of about 20 all through the week leading up to Thanksgiving. Just got some overalls and my slugs from Fleet Farm for their Orange Friday sale. I'm hyped as fuck.
>>623857
>a full-life of being free to eat and frolic and bang females all day
you mean walk around in freezing rain, run from a bear, and then get your leg bitten off?
I've come to the realization i need a better knife for hunting. generic no name thing was so dull after harvesting and the tip chipped off at some point. I don't want a mass produced thing.
Do any of you know a custom knife maker that does mail order? I found one close by, but his work looks questionable and frankly rather gaudy.
Something like pic related but scaled down to a knife would be perfect i reckon, plenty of metal for separating bone, but the end still has finesse for inner cavity work.
>>625981
Your welcome
Is there a map of access roads? I want to try a new area that looks mad interesting terrain wise but don't see a clear path less than 20 miles out. Im not sure if I can use the ohv map for my truck.
Took the girlfriend out this morning to a well kept secret public area, had her sit while I stalked. Had the biggest buck I've seen on public land moving down a trail 30 yards from me in the popple and couldn't get a shot. Just watched a flash of antler disappear into the spruce. This area always produces good bucks, very rare for public land in my area because the city people and Indians shoot every thing with a knob of a horn.
>>625981
Bladeforums.
Don Fogg bladesmith forum.
>>623110
Don't be an autist
>>625296
Even though he used a compound, he still gets props for bowhunting lion.
> Not as OP as Pope and Young
>>618707
holy shit that elk is massive
looking forward to my first bull elk hunt this season
leaving uni this wednesday to hunt in Northern Nevada
Sociopath general?
Alright, /out/ I need your advice.
I've been around hunting most of my life. All the men on both sides of my family hunt. When I got old enough, my dad introduced me to hunting too. He drove a truck for a living, though, so he never got to take me hunting very often, at most once or twice a year. He was with me when I killed my first and second buck. I was pretty young when I killed both of them, so me helping him dress them was pretty much just me holding the ribcage open so he could get at the hard to reach places. Didn't really have a problem with anything at the time. My mom went back to school and he had to start working more to make up for it, so for most of my teenage years I was on my own when it came to hunting. I was pretty awful at it. I never killed anything and eventually I lost interest. Now that I'm older, I've picked back up on my interest in hunting. The only problem is that as soon as I make a cut to field dress it, I get sick. I break out in sweat, get light headed and pale, and have to fight back the urge to throw up. I could usually manage without too much worry, though, because I usually go with someone who is more knowledgeable than me and doesn't care to help me out. However, today I got bad. I shot pic related and started to dress it when I started to get suck. I tried to push through but the more I cut the worse it got. I decided to take a break to clear my head and blacked out. I laid down in the dirt for about 15 minutes before I could compose myself enough to get up. I threw the unskinned squirrel in my bag and called it a day. I got some help cleaning it when I got home, but it was still really bad and I could barely make any progress before I had to take a break. Is this normal? Am I just a quivering mangina or will I get better? Its not that I feel bad for the animal or anything like that. i think its just the cutting and ripping that messes me up.
>Tldr I shot my first squirrel today.
>>627146
I used to get queasy when cleaning game. Almost puked a couple of times. Some things that really helped me:
> vick's vapo-rub under my nose to keep the intestine smell down
> rubber gloves
> good ventilation
Season off to a bad start. Half a dozen doves in the bag. Torrential rains aborted my first weekend of deer season yesterday.
>>627176
I usually get sick long before I get near the intestines, and I blacked out today in the middle of the woods, so I don't think ventilation is an issue, but I'll give the gloves a try. I don't know though. Thanks for the advice.
>>624540
No proof of stalking.
>>627178
where are you hunting? in ca the dove season doesnt open till saturday (2nd saturday in november) as well as pheasant..
cant wait till saturday, im going down to imperial valley to hunt dove, quail and pheasant. ive never gotten a pheasant but if i come across one ill blast it of course. i dont really liek hunting them because it involves alot of walking in fields and having a nice big party spread out in order to fulsh them up..i see alot of people doing it though but idk, not really my thing.
MN deer opener reporting
Spent Saturday and Sunday morning in a couple stands. A half hour before shooting hours I heard a few walking towards the stand. It's thick as hell but I could hear leaves rustling and grunting. It's still 80% dark but I grabbed my rifle just to confirm the scope magnification was at 3x but as I did that they duffed off. Then an hour later, as the sun was half over the horizon, I suddenly had to take the worst dump. I only got about 40 yards from the stand before I let it loose. So then I'm thinking "all the deer can smell my shit" which made me less confident in spending time there. So I stalked all day and spent the evening in the pic related stand. I saw six deer in total all weekend and they were all a long ways away and running. Our group saw 20 deer but all does except a spiker.
>>627146
>Is this normal?
You're definitely sensitive about it.
Do you have an issue handling raw meat from the grocery store? Bonking and gutting a fish?
>>626396
Don't be a fool.
In some places partridge is used as a colloquial name for grouse. However, they are clearly different species. Both grouse and partridge are from the phasianidae (chicken) family but that's about the only thing relating them.
It's like how some people mistakenly call walleye pickerel even though actual pickerel species are more closely related to pike.
>>627146
Squirrels don't need to be cleaned in the field, but you can skin them easy by making a small cut in the skin on the back, putting two fingers from each hand in and pulling apart until the skin comes off far enough to cut the feet/head/tail off. I never had issues with small game. Deer guts stink pretty bad, but I've got a pretty high tolerance to vomiting so it didn't have much an effect on me. I definitely felt different about my first time cleaning an animal compared to subsequent kills.
>>627560
I can handle meat fine. I don't really know about fish. We always released them growing up.
>>627617
Thats the method I was trying when I lost it. I tried the thing where you cut through the tailbone/down the legs and step on the newly created skin flap and pull it upwards by the back legs, but the tail snapped off. I guess I just need more practice, because for the tail to break away I must have been doing it wrong.
Hey it's good ol' Dr. Ben Carson
>>627545
TX. Good luck this season.
>>624007
My ethical or moral imperative that I attach are based off the golden rule, a concept accepted by most world religions. I can tell you don't believe in this simple concept, because if you did you'd philosophically have to accept another person's right to kill you whenever they feel like it. I personally, would be pissed and would not consider it a form of respect.
>>624019
I have no problem with hunters that follow rules, and if that's how you enjoy spending your time I don't think it should be illegal. I just personally don't consider it fair to make the executive decision to take another life, and choose not to do it, myself. I'm glad that hunters like you have awareness of the ecological issues involved in your hobby. And as I've said before, if you're doing it for subsistence (as a bear would), then that's perfectly acceptable to me, too. Though I'd encourage you to at least supplement your diet with foraged foods which can also be found in nature.
>>624071
Bird watches actually travel to a lot of remote regions a hunter wouldn't dare set foot in, pumping tourist dollars into developing nations that desperately need them.
>>624412
Hunting is okay with me in certain circumstances, as long as it's done in a sustainable way. I wouldn't say it's to be encouraged though, since other options exist and I consider it wrong to hunt solely for entertainment gained from taking life. Also I'm sorry to have to remind you but poaching exists, I don't feel I should have to find evidence to support this, most people are already aware.
>>624747
You seem to be the only one taking this seriously. I'm having a grand old time laughing at all you people try to defend yourselves. Y'all just can't sit right with the fact that someone disagrees with your life choices. I don't care what you do as long as you're not hurting those around you (via the environment), I just have different personal beliefs.
Also, it's ridiculous to claim that a person only has 2 choices: to hunt or to be vegan. Naturally there are many intermediate options. And I don't see why you're arguing against claims that I never once have made. That's called a straw-man logical fallacy. Also, if you see transgressions happening why don't you do anything about it? You're really not helping your case.
>>626854
lol yes
>>627856
Tldr: anon is pussy faggot
>>623440
>real men don't talk shit
Your two dads arnt real men.
>>627214
Kill yourself
>>627856
>remind you but poaching exists
I know it exists, but you make out the majority of hunters to be blatant poachers with no sense of conservation or sustainable harvests by following game management regulations. That's what I asked you to provide evidence of.
>>625981
A buck 110 will dress just about any game in North America and it doesn't cost a fortune in the meantime. Even the new ones with 420HC blades are decent. Not quite as good as the older 440 blades, but sufficient if you don't try to keep a super razor edge on it. What do you mean separating bone are you prying with your blade?
>>623446
>only criminals, murderers, and gang members carry
I almost thought it was bait, but that would be too much to hope for, wouldn't it
>>627856
>My ethical or moral imperative that I attach are based off the golden rule, a concept accepted by most world religions. I can tell you don't believe in this simple concept, because if you did you'd philosophically have to accept another person's right to kill you whenever they feel like it. I personally, would be pissed and would not consider it a form of respect.
The bleating of your ego attempts to hold at arms length your cosmic insignificance as an individual and in doing so corrupts the "Golden Rule" into a selfish, defensive inversion. I think you made a mistake in your choice of career.
In case you are interesting in raising yourself above your current state:
http://www.amerika.org/science/kants-categorical-imperative-biblical-law-and-the-popular-notion-of-the-golden-rule/
>>627146
Sounds like your anxiety stems from your lack of relationship with your father. Maybe you should confront those issues before you try to do manly shit.
>>627967
I never said "most hunters" I said "many hunters", this includes poachers. There's a difference (which I very thoughtfully made, which you are ignoring), and at this point you're just putting words in my mouth.
>>627994
That was in response to another comment, begging the comparison of hunters to gang members. They both carry guns, and are irritable as fuck apparently. Fact is, if hunters in the US weren't so gun-ho about their right to access weapons, actual criminals and psychopaths would have much more limited access.
>>628008
I don't think it's selfish to simply want to live. To unilaterally take that choice away for the sake of entertainment however, is. Cosmic insignificance doesn't affect morality, our actions still have very real consequences.
>citing www.amerika.org
What fantastic garbage. You don't actually believe the stuff this guys says do you?
>>627976
x2 buck 110 is a true classic. Great knife. Way better idea than what you're thinking of
>>628020
kek
Hey /hunt/bros. I'm sick of hunting small-ass (talking under 10 acres) family-owned tracts of land two-and-a-half hours away, but there's no public land within reasonable distance of me and I know nobody that owns land. I'm a lonely community college student with no "network" of hunters. So, how do I go about the following:
-Finding landowners
-Asking permission
I know the basics for the latter, but tips would be appreciated.
>>628091
I don't know about where you're from, but in Alberta you can go to the county or municipal district office and buy a landowner map which shows all the quarter sections and the names of the people who own them.
Go scout the best land from the roads, then go knock on their door to ask.
Takes time and effort, but if you have even a little charisma you should be able to get some permission lined up.
Good luck.
>>628094
Shit, forgot my location. I'm in northeastern Virginia. My county has a GIS system I'm attempting to learn to use, so there's that.
How do you scout land from the roads? What would I look for?
Thanks.
>>628098
>northeastern Virginia
Which peninsula?
>>628079
>I don't think it's selfish to simply want to live. To unilaterally take that choice away for the sake of entertainment however, is. Cosmic insignificance doesn't affect morality, our actions still have very real consequences.
I tried, anon, but you know what they say about horses, water, etc. We all have lessons to learn in our time on earth, and we cannot tell how life will change us. I was vegetarian for a decade, and look at the monster I've become.
>>citing www.amerika.org
>What fantastic garbage. You don't actually believe the stuff this guys says do you?
I agree it's not as good as ANUS, but occasionally they have good essays and I did find that one elucidating.
>>628079
Kill yourself euroshit
>>628079
"Many hunters" seems to imply a majority or close to a majority, rather than an extreme minority.
>>627851
thanks brother. thanks alot
Killed two pheasants yesterday had to kick them to get them to fly but that's what you get hunting in New Jersey
>>628326
I'm pretty sure they barely stocked Clinton, I saw at least three fly from the guys with dogs and maybe seven from the shot I heard
Was it bad where you where?
>>628372
I hunt the cc wood between williamstown and glassboro I think it's likezone 55 we saw a ton of birds my buddy limited out every day we push fields but we see so many just driving the trails ,good luck to Ya
>>628372
I hunt the cc wood between williamstown and glassboro I think it's likezone 55 we saw a ton of birds my buddy limited out every day we push fields but we see so many just driving the trails ,good luck to Ya but there's a ton of people that hunt there but they stock it more than most places
>>628372
There's a lot of people that pheasant hunt in nj I don't even go the days that they stock because of all the idiots I usally wait a day or go mid day to avoid all the people
>>627861
A staw-man would be if I misrepresented what you said. You could say it's a false dichotomy, but it's really not, because I can back up my assertion that you're being inconsistent if you object to other people hunting within the limits set by scientific conservation research and are not a vegan or advocate for veganism. If you say it is acceptable to kill mammals for the use of humans, then there is little to suggest that hunting is worse than farming those animals (I believer those are the two options, yes?), so your objection to hunting is personal. I can respect that, but you seem to feel a lot of animosity towards hunters the way many hikers feel towards cairn-building-casuals, because you think their enjoyment is, "impure." Try getting your ascetic liberal puritanism under control before you build political positions around it.
I myself grew up hunting and eating lots of game, fish and wild gathered and gardened plants. It seems totally arbitrary to me that you think only destitute mountain men and natives should eat game, when I can harvest meat off of my own private property to eat better than I would otherwise.
>>627861
also,
>Y'all just can't sit right with the fact that someone disagrees with your life choices. I don't care what you do as long as you're not hurting those around you (via the environment), I just have different personal beliefs.
Do you know where you are? This is a place for discussing things, so if you state an opinion it's up for discussion. You're not "le ebin trollface," because people are talking about your opinion on something they (justifiably) feel strongly about.
>>628195
Neither. Fredericksburg/Caroline area.
Shot a fox that was eating our chickens and ducks. Didn't enjoy it, but it had to be done. First animal I've shot and killed. Used a lever action .22 rifle. It dropped after it ran about 30 yards. I waited in the dark for about 2 hours for the sucker to show up. Hole on pic is exit wound. Entry was just behind the front leg opposite.
>>627585
>In some places partridge is used as a colloquial name for grouse
I'll bet these are the same shithole places that call soda "a coke".
>>628079
>Fact is, if hunters in the US weren't so gun-ho about their right to access weapons, actual criminals and psychopaths would have much more limited access.
Jesus Christ, he's antigun too. Whelp it's been a slice little fella.
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>>623412
Depends on where you are. Some places stalking is more viable than others and even when stalking you pick important points with good sight lines for your rest periods. ie water and trail convergences
If you sit on a trail you haven't observed to be in regular use by what you want to take, you're likely to go home with nothing but your stand/hide and a hangover.
>>628079
Never mind that hunting has never been and never will be the purpose of the 2nd amendment. It's educated citizens, not hunters that are so 'gung ho' about it.
>>628079
>if hunters in the US weren't so gun-ho about their right to access weapons
~85 million gun owners, ~14 million hunters
Yeah. We're the big majority.....keep on telling yourself that. It's been nice talkin'
I'm in Powhatan. Sorry.
>>619305
I bet your favorite movie was Bambi you cunt
Hey guys,
I live in the outskirts of madison, wi. Does anyone know any public land within an hour of here where there's lots of rabbit? I've seen a lot of those fuckers on the grounds of my workplace but the boss is a liberal.
Saw 5 does this afternoon. Wind was wrong and I was unable to get a shot before they decided it wasn't safe. Muzzle loaders have the deer spooked already and general firearms opens on friday.
>>626854
Amen sister. I personally think it's much more humane for a doe to die like this rather than from a hunter's arrow or bullet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzwbOZKfrUQ
>>624234
>e-collar
subhuman scum
>>628958
One of the best tools when training a hunting dog.
>>628660
I have several areas that are pretty much only huntable by stand, have to crawl in, literally at times, well before dark and sit.
>>628958
If you don't understand how these collars work and how important they are for keeping a hunting dog safe, then you are so far removed from knowing what the hell you're talking about that I won't even try to explain this shit to you. Don't you have a SeaWorld protest to get to?
>>618707
>Any person hunting game animals other than foxes, bobcats, raccoons, and opossums, or hunting upland game birds other than wild turkeys, with the use of firearms, must wear a cap or hat on his head made of Hunter Orange materials or an outer garment of Hunter Orange, visible from all sides. (Exception: landowners hunting on their own land.)
Why Hunter Orange specifically? Is it just a meme, or is there a reason you can't legally use a neon or reflective safety vest?
Going to the camp in the morning. Apalachicola national forest. Staying til Sunday. Small game season opens Saturday morning.
>>622981
Car wreck fucked me up. I can shoot my bow so it's all good.
>>629032
This is just to keep it universally standard. Basically just so you can make an immediate association between "orange" and "hunter" no matter where you happen to be.
>>629038
But if it's supposed to be so you dont shoot a person, why would they not allow one of those road worker vests?
i smell a conspiracy
>>628588
Actually we call it "pop", just like we call splake lakers and grouse pats. We even know the difference but still chose to use the colloquialism's because FUCK YOUR SHIT.
>>628581
Don't like shooting foxes either but they have a way of exploiting any entrance into a chicken coop. Good on you for doing what needs to be done.
>>629032
That shade of orange is pretty well proven to be the most visible, eye-catching shade against all backgrounds. Day-glo (which is what they really want you to use) is actually florescent on top of being the most visible color. On top of that, game animals besides the types listed in your post appear not to see the orange color particularly well.
It's perfect. Not sure what you want. Nobody's going to hassle you for wearing a reflective orange vest, but that's going to be visible to animals.
>>629032
In my state you're legally required to wear 100 square inches of blaze orange visible from 360 degrees during the general firearms deer season. There are exceptions elsewhere, but I wouldn't go walking through the woods without it. During bow season and muzzle loader I don't wear it.
>>629032
>other than foxes, bobcats, raccoons, and opossums, or hunting upland game birds
i always see fuckers wearing the orange when we go dove hunting. scares the birds away. every fucking time....
>>627856
>Bird watches actually travel to a lot of remote regions a hunter wouldn't dare set foot in, pumping tourist dollars into developing nations that desperately need them.
Wrong by an order of magnitude. Ecotourists also tend to drive development of wild areas in a way that hunters do not (the ecotourism industries have to move more freight, build more lodges, and import more luxuries per user dollar to support their own viability), and create far more emissions per dollar injected into the economy.
Trophy hunting is demonstrably better for the environment than ecotourism.
Wes Siler has documented this well enough.
>>628588
Soda is for getting stains out of whites. It's called pop.
>>629041
Deer can see reflective green. Deer cannot see hunter orange.
Of course, grouse, turkey, wolves, and coyotes can see it just as well as us, so it's useless hunting them, but w/e.
Spent all daylight hours today looking for an elk. None found, nothing but days old tracks and scat. Any idabro in zone 63 have tips?
Got over to eastern Washington for the first time in years. Walked a pheasant release site, no dog unfortunately so I had to jump them myself. Knocked down two the first day, another two the second. Best hunt I've had in a long time.
just got home from my hunter education course
i am officially cleared to trigger SJWs and squirrels in NC
now i just need my certificate and permit and i can holocaust some squirrels with my .22 air rifle
>>629484
ps can anyone recommend some good large vests and hats? everything on amazon looks like richfag stuff or cheap shit
>>624340
.22 LR is perfect for birds m8, (at least pheasant/grouse/turkey etc)
