http://www.alphr.com/cars/1003241/dutch-politicians-just-voted-to-ban-sales-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2025
>>15018155
No.
This is not going to happen.
I do not want this to happen.
Fucking leftist bitches,rot in hell the only thing you didn't ruin yet was cars,but now you have
>>15018213
But it's the current year.
>all commercial trucks, trains, planes and ships have their diesels/ jet engines replaced with electric motors
>they cost more to maintain and the batteries have to be charged every few hours
>goods take 3 times longer to get to their destination
>price of goods increases dramatically
>price of travel increases dramatically
Combustion engines aren't going anywhere anytime soon
>>15018213
I want it to happen
It should have happened 10-years ago
The only non-electric cars on the road would be elegant 1990's dream machines.
>>15018270
>yfw they just ban anything not registered as commercial
Also why are Labour parties everywhere so shit? What is it about social democracy that is so fucking cancerous?
>>15018155
Fuck this country.
Fuck this goddamn country.
>>15018284
>>15018047
This is the future you chose.
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>captcha: select all bicycles
K E K
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YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>15018155
>Captcha: Select all images with cars
>>15018155
Labor has no majority in the Senate, it'll never go through. They've only proposed this law because they're losing waves and waves of votes, they've got less than 5% support left. They've proposed this law to get some Green voters on their side - but it backfired massively because nobody wants all electric cars because they're too expensive. Everybody had a good laugh, Labor lost some more votes, everything's back to normal.
>>15018281
I'm guessing it's because socialism inherently requires giving more power to a central government. And politicians are just power hungry people no matter what banner they fly so the people give said politicians more power to fulfill their socialist dreams and what they really get is slavery.
w-why
kanker politicians.
![What+that+drunk+did+was+so+up+that+i+_8dbb1ae776eb7832840a239e8780b60f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e3N7dIu.jpg "What+that+drunk+did+was+so+up+that+i+_8dbb1ae776eb7832840a239e8780b60f[1].jpg")
>electric cars will take over
>non-serviceable iPads with wheels will become the norm, causing the death of wrenching
>manual transmissions will die along with the ICE
>self-driving cars will become more and more prevalent, manual driving will become prohibitively expensive because of insurance or straight up outlawed because "you can't have a person driving a two-ton death machine"
>race tracks will get closed down because of noise concerns and pollution, since "we don't need those relics of a less civilized time anymore"
>/o/ - Auto will become /o/ - Obsolete in your lifetime
I-it's been quite the ride, lads...
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>captcha: 2106
I protect my car with the second amendment. If the liberal hippies want to take it away from me, there'll be a body count.
>>15018232
Y
S W E D E N
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>Eurobikeans
inb4 left wing faggots come in and defend their increasingly authoritarian overreach as "good for all of us" or some other bullshit
>>15018982
Nobody in their right mind on this board will defend an all-out ICE ban. Nobody.
>>15018982
You'll take progressive progress, whether you like it or not, shitlord.
>>15018733
I dunno, maybe we'll get an ex-driver situation out of it.
>>15018155
this is the world you fought two world wars for
>>15018155
That's it.
I'm going to remap my diesel and roll coal. Fuck the environment.
>car inspection doesn't even care about emissions
>half my buddies don't run cats in their cars
>majestic Luxembourg confirmed best country in Europe again
Welp. Time to emigrate.
>>15018155
>voted
It's not going to happen, the car market is just too great and millions of Dutch will lose shitloads of money just to buy some electric shitboxes made by only a few car makers. It's not going to happen, at least in the near future and those politicians and you people who believe this shit are fucking retarded.
All the party did was ask for the coalition to come up with a plan to make this possible. The other coalition party and biggest Dutch party is against the "plan" regardless. So there is no law yet, no vote on that law and it has to pass the senate. Stop posting sensational bullshit you dont know anything about pls.
>>15019745
I doubt you'll do much damage with your 1.0 diesel shitbox, Alberto Barbossa.
>>15019800
BUT IT SHOWS THEIR INTENT OLD DIESELS ARE ALREADY BANNED IN CITY CENTERS THE NWO CONTROL GRID
>>15019993
>implying trump wont make america great again
>>15019993
>war crimes
this is what libtards actually believe
>losing trillions on petrol sales
Doubtful. We will go to converting older cars and manufacturing new vehicles to run solely on alcohol before this ever happens.
>tfw dont live in a 1st world cuckhole
feels good
>>15018155
I would love to see someone try this kind of shenanigans in the United States. That would be shut down in like five seconds.
>>15020092
yeah not like anything like this happens in California or anything is it
>>15019993
>trump
>commit war crimes
Unlike Hillary?
>>15020123
>thinking terrorists are protected by treaties and conventions
>>15018155
Why does Europe keep cucking itself?
>>15018733
Why would insurance rates go up? It's not like driving will become more dangerous.
>>15019993
found the cuck
>>15020139
Manual drivers will be seen as more dangerous, after all, computers don't make mistakes.
>>15020110
nothing that passes
>>15019993
>commit war crimes
Militants living with their families are not using "human shields". Bombing militants and killing their family along with them are not "war crimes".
It's actually this simple.
>>15020123
>terrorists who wont stop at nothing to kill you for dumb reasons
>use only enough punishment to make them talk to prevent attacks on your country
>protecting your country
>"UR MAKING WORR KRIMZ CUZ MUSLIM TERRORIISTS ARE JUST POOR MISGUIDED PEPOL"
>>15020144
But there won't be any greater risk associated with driving when there are more autonomous cars. And the risks are what determine insurance prices, not the perception of risk by the general population. The insurance companies will still be making money.
>>15020165
Insurance for manual drivers is going to skyrocket because they'll be the only ones causing accidents. It's that simple.
>>15020147
neither has this???
>>15020170
>implying causing accidents with a manual its easy
Bitch please, if you dont pay attention with an automatic your car moves on your own
>>15020144
>computers don't make mistakes
I know you're trolling but people actually believe this and that scares me
>>15020170
if automated cars are perfect and never cause accidents, which means they don't require insurance, expect auto insurance to die. Or expect auto insurance companies to lobby for the continuation of manually-driven cars because THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM MONEY YOU IDIOT
>>15020175
I meant people that still drive their own car by "manual drivers", not people that drive a car with a manual transmission.
>>15020180
This is actually true, the problem is poo2loo's write the code and it's horrid. A computer will only do what you tell it to do. If that's running down a group of cyclists then that is what it will do.
>>15020180
How about this...
Computers make less mistakes than the average person behind the wheel
>>15020170
The risk of them causing an accident is no greater than it is today. Not everyone who drives will cause accidents. And because the robots are doing such a good job, the risk of anyone being in an accident will decrease.
>>15020175
Way to miss the point entirely.
>>15020188
>if automated cars are perfect and never cause accidents
>>15020194
Well in that sense you're right. Computers will never create a mistake but they will execute the shit out of a mistake they were ordered to do. Also it doesn't even have to be a mistake coded it, it could be multiple instructions coalescing at once into something that causes the computer to miscalculate etc etc this is why computers crash. Also hardware failures are a complete different beast than software failures.
>>15020196
>hoon
>scion
Kek
>>15020215
>Terrorists force civilians to do their job
>Colateral damage of civilians that became terrorists + The actual terrorists
>"MUH CHILDRUNZ!"
I am not even american lol
This entire argument is baseless, people enjoy having personal freedom to travel when and where they please. Electric cars? Sure. Automated cars? At least in the United States, a car is seen as a step toward personal independence. We will not see a majority of automated cars in our lifetime, not least because the technology is still zygotic. People like being in control of their possessions.
>>15020227
My (quite progressive) parents are saying cars won't be possessions in the future, you'll just lease them, pay a company to use their transport services.
>>15020227
>People like being in control of their possessions.
Of course! This is why people would rather have automatic cars, and electronic to replace them, and cruise control in their cars, and GPS and shit, and other shit!
>>15020210
Very true, I doubt the code will be thoroughly checked and will have horrid bugs that will cause the car to do all sorts of unexpected behavior.
>>15020196
That could be remedied by proper training and certification instead of a system that lets you get licensed in your mom's auto camry and then go out hooning in a manual WRX (and then stall in an active intersection trying to do a burnout because you don't know how to car and saw tokyo drift once)
but muh freedom
>>15020239
Why would anyone choose the less convenient option? Having personal transport is extremely convenient. It's what the infrastructure of the USA has been built around. If we are talking from a public safety standpoint, leasing a car from a company is just as dangerous as owning one, so that's not really solving anything.
Cab services and Uber and shit exist already, as do ZipCar and other quick rental services. They aren't threatening the existence of the car as a personal possession.
>>15020246
>people would rather have automatic cars
please show me that national poll
>cruise control
I'm still steering you idiot, I'd rather my foot not get tired if I'm driving a long distance. Also no one uses cruise control anyway :)
>GPS
Because having a map is equal to not driving your own car.
>>15020269
>"YOU DONT THINK TERRORIST RR G00D PEPOL SO UR DUMB"
Lol go take refugees, tripfag. Maybe if you become muslim you can make someone happy
>>15020268
Their dream scenario is a network of automated pods that can literally take you from door to door, which you then pay for to use.
>>15020215
The wall just got ten feet higher
>>15020279
>please show me that national poll
>pic related
>I'm still steering you idiot, I'd rather my foot not get tired if I'm driving a long distance. Also no one uses cruise control anyway :)
>"i am only leaving my computer to do 1 OUT OF 2 THINGS i could do, so obviously i am not letting my car do something without my control, b-baka!"
>Also no one uses cruise control anyway :)
Subjective and wrong, since most of the people ive seen use CC whenever possible
>Because having a map is equal to not driving your own car.
>leaving another computer do something else for you
>"Its ok!, its not part of driving so its ok if i dont do it!"
If people really wanted to have full control of their cars then we would be back to using crank-startup diesel cars with no battery.
>>15018155
>http://www.alphr.com/cars/1003241/dutch-politicians-just-voted-to-ban-sales-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2025
FALSE ALARM EVERYONE ITS JUST THE DUTCH
NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS
JUST THE DUCHIES LOSING MORE FREEDOM
OUR BALD EAGLES WEEP FOR YOU
ILL DO A REV FOR YOU
>>15020287
It's a dream scenario because good luck getting funding for such an overhaul, let alone the upkeep. I don't think you understand how massive of an operation that would be. And when a pod breaks down in the middle of North Dakota hundreds of miles from the nearest anything? What about people intentionally disrupting the service? Who would pay for electrified pod service to every single address when a cheap ass strip of tarmac does the same job, and shifts the cost of transportation to the person who wishes to be transported?
It's the solar roadways thing again - a nice idea but when you examine it, it has insurmountable obstacles. Not only is the technology not there, but even the desire to fund such a thing based on marginal possible improvements to...what? Safety? And don't say environment because setting up that system alone would take so much more material and fossil fuel to make than it could ever possibly save.
TL;DR - It's not feasible.
>>15020215
americans are fucking stupid, what do you expect?
>>15020324
They've been systematically murdering car culture for a while now.
>>15020330
over $100K for a GT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>15020315
You're moving to extremes. Knowing where you're going is not an integral part of DRIVING A CAR. Being able to shift gears is not an integral part of DRIVING A CAR.
Here's a classic argument. Modern passenger jet planes are able to take off, fly to the destination, and land all on auto-pilot. Would you get on a plane with no pilot? Would you get into a taxi that showed up with no driver?
Would you trust the system so much that you'd let it drive you down a highway at 75mph, merging lanes, avoiding traffic or other obstacles in the road, stopping at intersections, handling a roundabout properly, yielding and pulling into traffic at the right pace?
Driving is incredibly complex, and technology will have to move a lot further before I would be comfortable allowing a computer to decide for me when the best time to pull a left turn on a busy street would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_47utWAoupo
an oldie but goodie
>>15020365
>Knowing where you're going is not an integral part of DRIVING A CAR. Being able to shift gears is not an integral part of DRIVING A CAR.
>>15020388
Let's flip it around. Say you know where you want to go, how to get there, how to start the car, how to shift gears, and how to use the pedals. If you cannot steer, you aren't going fucking anywhere. Does that make sense?
>>15020408
Yes. So what. Remove all control of a car from the driver except steering the wheel? That sounds like too much automatization for me.
Also:
>"Would you get into a taxi that showed up with no driver?"
There are already working prototypes of that
>>15020425
>Yes. So what. Remove all control of a car from the driver except steering the wheel? That sounds like too much automatization for me.
Sounds like exactly what an automatic car with electric ignition and a gps system is right now. Do you call that driving?
>>15020440
Also lets keep in mind cruise control is for keeping a constant speed and doesn't work in any other condition so that's a moot point.
>>15020440
you still have to push the pedals
>>15020446
ok great - pedal pushing and steering are what you consider driving. Let's come back to the original argument, which is most people would prefer to be in control of steering their two ton metal box that is flying down the highway at high speed with them, their significant other, children, dragon dildos, etc etc in the back. You're proving my original point anon.
>>15020357
It's an old pic too, so prices have probably shot up in the meantime.
>>15020446
and a computer decides how much effect that has
>>15020483
I'm so happy to be a 'murican
>>15018733
>>non-serviceable iPads with wheels will become the norm, causing the death of wrenching
That and the fact that it wont be made up of thousands of moving parts.
>>15020561
It's not that they won't have many parts anymore, it's that they'll all be impossible to replace for anyone but a dealership.
>>15018924
Oh the many question fallacy, what a treat. Even in the fucking title you see that it's sale, not possession, but I wouldn't expect you "soverign citizens" to be literate. Plus, this is in the Netherlands, a place known for its crazy left wing experiments. You idiots are always whining about how terrible new cars are anyways.
>>15020561
protip: a car has more moving parts in it than just the parts in the engine
>>15020584
>It's not that they won't have many parts anymore
Except it is. Electric vehicles are super simple, even when you consider all the other parts. The only thing complicated would be the code but why the fuck would you poke in there for? And if you do want to get into that, wait for aftermarket controllers.
>>15020596
Even considering all the other parts, the elimination of two complicated, failure prone parts (engine and transmission) would vastly improve reliability.
>>15020609
Manufacturers are closing off their systems more and more, until no user-serviceable part remains.
>>15020609
I can get behind electric cars. I cannot get behind mandatory electric cars. I would understand if ICE cars died out purely because of the price of oil, or because of the more widespread availability of cheap electric cars (because they will be more reliable, as you say) that make ICE seem ungainly and inefficient..like they are.
Holy fuck I live in the Netherlands and this went right off the table the day the idea went public. Sure, ICE cars will be phased out eventually as electric cars will become more viable options, but they will never be forbidden. Now please stop posting clickbait articles.
>You were born in the worst time to be a car enthusiast
>>15020744
>>15020677
This is from the Netherlands, who are crazy as fuck about left wing policies. And even they aren't banning ICE cars, as >>15020710 said. Even in that proposal, it was for new sales. You guys are always complaining about new cars anyways so why does it matter?
>>15020744
Become a motorcycle enthusiast.
IT'S TIME FOR WILDERS
>>15020853
That guy will say anything he thinks will get him voters.
>>15020866
At least he's not a EU cuck
>>15020899
At this point, getting out of the EU would completely fuck the economy.
>>15020922
t. EU shill
>>15020899
I love this meme
>>15020964
t. EU shill
>>15019745
>fiat
kek a civic pollutes more than you.
Let the carb kids do their job
>tfw you don't live in a 1st world cuckhole
feels good
>>15018155
it has to happen eventually m8, fossil fuels won't be around forever and we're shitting on the atmosphere by clinging to them
>>15021088
>we're shitting on the atmosphere by clinging to them
Our shitting on the atmosphere is making the earth greener.
http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/earth-is-getting-greener-thanks-to-co2-emissions
>>15021112
Unfortunately it's also making the Earth hotter
>>15021112
>related article
>http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/fecal-transplantation-the-grossest-way-to-get-you-well-again
Anon i think its a satire website...
>>15021130
Yeah so?
Earth was a lot fucking hotter than it is now.
>>15021132
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/3/
>>15021141
>Yeah so?
educate yourself
http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
>>15019993
>a retarded wall
>a statement that is no longer true
>>15021164
I will if you do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>15021195
What is your point? we should continue heating the earth because ice ages are something that happened in the past?
>>15021207
My point is Earth will get naturally warmer, it always does.
How about instead of solely focusing on reducing emissions people plant more trees too?
They won't because then they can't shame people and companies and tax them for breathing.
>>15021233
It's not getting naturally warmer though, it's getting artificially warmer because of our industrial emissions (and the emissions from cows surprisingly). It's just going to keep getting warmer.
>How about instead of solely focusing on reducing emissions people plant more trees too?
http://www.tree-planter.com/
http://www.plantabillion.org/
http://www.forestsontario.ca/planting/programs/forest-recovery-canada/
there are literally thousands of examples like this, tree planting efforts happen all the time
>>15021264
>It's not getting naturally warmer though
It does all the time.
One time, Earth was cold. Then it got hot, and then it was cold again.
>>15021271
Then it took an aphrodisiac and now its hot all the time.
>>15021271
But now it's just getting hotter and hotter. You can't rely on historical weather patterns because there were no humans. We have an unprecedented effect on the environment. The only thing that comes close is the emissions some historians think dinosaurs gave off, which they believe was similar to our own now. And you know what happened to the dinosaurs? Extreme weather killed them.
>>15021288
bby
>>15021289
>But now it's just getting hotter and hotter.
If we're still in an ice age we're not that hot.
>Extreme weather killed them.
And an exploding rock.
>>15021300
>If we're still in an ice age we're not that hot.
We're only in an """ice age""" (2.6 million years ago lmao) because we still have ice sheets on earth. In order to not be in an ice age those sheets (and Greenland) would have to melt (protip: they're melting very fast) and that will cause big weather problems for us, taking precautions to avoid that is good.
>>15021331
>science doesn't fit the narrative
>better put quotes around it.
I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it's going to happen no matter what.
>>15021083
>you were born in time to experience the gradual but then eventually rapid downfall of the West
>you were born in time to witness a third World War
>you were too early to help humanity colonize the stars
>>15021331
Ayo guise we be savin da wurld by we few millin pplz drivin tesla round da hood' shieet tyrone hit me up for dat senpai
Welcome to the hell /k/ lives in, watching lawmakers outlaw your hobby piece by piece
>>15021350
>bad things are going to happen so we should just ignore them instead of preventing them until we have the technology to remedy the situation
>>15021359
It would have a big reducing effect on greenhouse gas emissions if other developed nations followed the Dutch. I don't even know why you chose to write that in ebonics, black people don't drive electric cars.
>>15021376
well cars are not created with the sole purpose of killing people 2bh
>>15021433
>implying guns are only made cuz killing stuff
>>15018155
I'm Dutch, and fuck my fucking country.
I wish I could move to the US, where I don't have to pay 140 euros a month in taxes and insurance for a fucking 2000 316i, and 1,50eur for a litre of petrol
>>15020215
My popcorn is ready for when we annex your shithole with the long dick of America
>>15021386
>artificially changing the course of nature
>>15021461
yeah, thats exactly what i am implying
>>15021506
Your implication is incorrect.
>>15020744
It's a great time to be an enthusiast if you like old cars and live in a place that isn't ninny-nanny batshit insane.
>>15021520
it isnt
name one thing guns are useful other than harming living things
>>15021520
Are you stupid? Guns were invented for killing and most are designed with killing in mind with the exception of uncommon niche application guns like my .22lr target pistol. That's why the right to bear arms is a great thing, an armed citizenry capable of defending itself is less likely to be taken advantage of or having its rights removed/suppressed.
This is not /o/ related though...
>>15021691
Practice shooting. Competition. Engineering development
Now tell me a single thing related to cars that in no way can be dangerous for humans in its execution.
>>15021711
Guns were in fact invented for killing. But that doesn't mean that the ONLY thing they do is killing.
>europe
>>15021780
>Practice shooting
practicing to be better at killing
>Competition
seeing who is better at killing
>Engineering development
kill things more effectively
>
Now tell me a single thing related to cars that in no way can be dangerous for humans in its execution
what
of course they are dangerous, but thats not the point a car's objective is not to kill
>>15023632
>practicing to be better at killing
Now That's implication without basis and strawman.
>seeing who is better at killing
See above
>kill things more effectively
See above
>of course they are dangerous, but thats not the point a car's objective is not to kill
Doesn't matter. Cars kill. There is no need for anyone to have a car that is even capable of exceeding the speed limit and there are more people who die while driving drunk than from gun accidents. We should ban fast cars instead since they are death machines and there would be less deaths.
Car competitions are only for dumb temporary entretainment anyways. The competitions are harmful for the enviroment, drain money that can be used for more important things, and is a risk to the security of everyone involved.
>>15020357
>>15020483
just fuck my entire continent up senpai t. ancestors
say no more t. kalergi coudenhove
>>15020330
>>15024438
Meanwhile, trucks are cheap as fuck. Keep in mind, all of these are fully loaded, already grey imported for you, and include an LPG (propane) installation that practically doubles your gas mileage. It's this or a base-spec 3 series.
>>15020357
>>15020330
>buy one in Germany for about 45K euros
>wait a small amount of time
>import it, don't pay the 55K euro import tax on new vehicles
>>15024476
Isn't that just for "work" vehicles, which for some reason can dodge the majority of taxes?
And a fuckhueg truck wouldn't work in the city anyway, there's just not enough room. I'd rather something a bit more sporty and a bit smaller.
>not long ago I considered emmigrating to the Netherlands
Glad I fucking didn't now
The Netherlands is fucking tiny, and it is only one country. You can walk across the whole country in a day. Why the fuck do you need cars? Move to the USA or something if it's that important to you.
>>15023667
>gunfag this mad
Its pretty funny how hard you are grasping at straws and doing false equivalences
Guns were designed to kill, cars didnt, they are nothing alike
>>15025259
Wow that's some really nice arguments you sure proved me wrong there!
>>15024483
Dutch tax lawyer here, It doesn't work like this sunnyboy.
Pay used car import tax based on CO2 emissions and a % off depending how many months have passed.
If you import a used and damaged vehicle into Holland there are more deduction methods, deduction for repair costs and general depreciation.
>>15018270
Upkeep on electric trains is far lower than on diesel/dieselelectric trains. Average time in service before replacing the motors is around 20 years and they run around a million miles a year. Diesels travel much less, much slower. Oldest locomotive type in service in Switzerland is from the 60s and mostly run on well-maintained but original motors. They still serve some half million miles a year each.
That being said, such a ban is retarded in case an alternative fuel is found that can be used in combustion engine cars. The Audi e-diesel for example, made 100% from renewable energy, water and CO2. Theoretically it could be just as efficient as charging an electric car, but it works with current generation cars too. It's simply diesel, synthesized through electrochemical processes.
>>15023618
>america
>>15020330
>>15024438
>anywhere but America
>buy an American car
What kind of fucking retard would do this? Why would you buy a shitbox that doesn't has had its sole advantage, the bargain bin price, removed?
>>15018155
The vote at this stage has only passed through the lower house of parliament in the Netherlands. It also needs to be approved by the Dutch senate to become legally binding,
>>15018155
Jesus, this makes me actually angry. The liberal menace will never stop, will they? They won't quit until they have deconstructed every sensible thing man has ever created or theorized.
>>15020609
Engine and transmission are not the most failure prone parts. Go look at your local scrap yard, 90% of the cars in there probably drove in under their own power, or could have if they wernt crashed.
>>15021132
But that does work.
>>15018213
>>15018155
>>15018270
Y U R O P O O R I A
>>15021132
No that's a real thing, I've read about it in scientific journals
