http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/
>2.6 terabytes, 11.5 million documents, and 214,000 shell companies: The Panama Papers are the largest data leak journalists have ever worked with.
That's a big leak
Truly hope that Trump and Clinton are on that list
>>36538
Putin is for all i know
>>36537
U U
U U
No US names are on the list. Kinda suspicious.
>>36535
that page downloaded a malware into my computer, thanks
>>36558
Nice try Hillary!
>>36553
This. Seems really weird that it's really negative on Putin and Assad but nothing on US...
A lot of data though so we'll see what's all in there clearer soon.
Oh boy. This board is on fire!
Has anyone got a legit copy of the info dump?
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/716741824921137152 So I guess The information was leaked with an intention of discrediting certain people, or it was 'interpreted' in that way by agencies to which this information was leaked to.
>>36579
This. I checked on Wikileaks and couldn't find anything unless I'm blind.
Here's a good explanation why there's no U.S or U.K names. The media are being careful not to look at the leak and are seemingly only doing searches for names associated with breaking UN sanctions regimes
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/04/corporate-media-gatekeepers-protect-western-1-from-panama-leak/
>>36585
Its a joke mate. Lets hope the original leaker just dumps it all to wikileaks.
>>36577
Just because they don't report it doesn't mean it's not there.
When your leak is so big it gets its own fucking logo. Goddamn.
>>36592
*whole
>>36592
I'll keep a lookout. Thanks anon
>>36592
doubt this is true.. it sounds from the papers they will keep it all secure. Hopefully youre right.
they are going to release US names next by the way - they just confirmed on twitter
I apologize if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely lost. Why is this such a big deal? I thought using a tax haven was completely legal, just frowned upon?
>>36599
think about it more
>>36598
Source or gtfo
>>36599
proof.
>>36584
Maybe you're wrong anon
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/716772373408718849
>>36603
^ days left on the poll, Ridic...! this should have already been released.....
>>36605
6 days
>>36603
>https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/716772373408718849
Nothing I can find on tor ATM
>>36585
David Cameron's father is on the partial list as is Lord Ashcroft.
Well this will be interesting. :) I'd suggest to go out of any income stock you hold... :D
>>36598
>>36601
https://twitter.com/ploechinger/status/716763595820941312
"just wait for what's coming next"
No specifics, but it means that there's more to come. And it is also very unlikely that they will release all documents in a searchable database (also in that twitter thread).
Everything should be revealed by early March, accoding to the icij website
I hope Wikileaks releases the full documetns to the public with a search function.
These documents were leaked a year ago and are just now being released to the public. How unethical is that? Why should the news media get to decide what they cover in that trove? It's like the Snowden leaks all over again.
>>36637
Their data goes until early 2016, and 40 years into the past..
>>36585
+15 Rubles
>>36625
>March
May, of course
Don't expect a lot of jews.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/04/corporate-media-gatekeepers-protect-western-1-from-panama-leak/
>What do you expect? The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity.
>Their funders include: Ford Foundation, Carnegie Endowment, Rockefeller Family Fund, W K Kellogg Foundation, Open Society Foundation (Soros)
>>36585
they are on there and it will come out
its happening
>no one will be punished for this
>>36652
benis.
epin memee
>>36660
quads gets all da info?
>http://interactive.fusion.net/dirty-little-secrets/
>http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/Price_of_Offshore_Revisited_120722.pdf
There's between 21 and 32 trillion dollars hidden in international shell companies like Mossack Fonseca...
It made me think of this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/anonymous-inc-60-minutes-steve-kroft-investigation/
Data pls
Quads here data now
https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/Source:%20%22Internal%20documents%20from%20Mossack%20Fonseca%20%28Panama%20Papers%29%22/p2
>149 documents relased so far out of the 11.5m total.
>>36666
AYYYYYYYYY
>>36666
how u do dat :o
how the hell did they get their hands on this? also, how many people were looking over this leak? i also second the remarks about no US names. Very suspicious.
The data is so big there will be new revelations month after month.
Already we know that Putin, Platini, Jackie Chan, Pedro Almodovar, french politicians such as Patrick Balkany and Jerome Cahuzac who were charged with tax evasion in the country have their names in this panama company.
This is big.
>>36678
>Jackie Chan
haha really?
>>36679
It can be little frightening if you think about it a little bit too much
>>36679
international movie star doing shady things?
it wouldn't seem funny if he didn't act goofy
>>36675
I don't think they're claiming that this is the complete, exclusive list of those involved in this operation. Their source is confidential (obviously, since they'd end up dead or trapped in an Ecuadorian embassy), and likely didn't have a paper trail on Americans involved in the conspiracy. I suppose an alternative is that Americans managed to identify the source and bribe/coerce them, but I figure that if anybody had an ID on this guy, he'd go missing.
>>36538
Allegedly tou won't see any American citizen, due to a the foreign accounting act financial institution engaging in the slightest risky financial activity don't have any American customers.
I dunno if someone can double check
When all of this finally gets out into the public, I see a slew of lawsuits for slander and defamation of character coming at anyone who publishes names. Crooks don't like the idea of being called crooks.
>>36637
Because like the snowden leaks these are a USA intelligence community scheme to threaten outside politicians and business executives without actually having to blackmail
Merkel gets the news the NSA is watching her specifically, suddenly, migrants!
This is similar, its propaganda to make the US look more powerful
>>36646
not surprising
>>36553
Yes and that means russians did it and they made it look like it was done by USA.
>>36540
No he isn't. But some of his aides are on there.
Tomorrow public French television will air a news report on the Panama Papers, it's gonna be interesting as fuck since last time the topic was the toxic agricultural repellents and the debate is still going
>>36637
are you twelve?
>>36693
The US has Delaware. They don't need to go offshore.
>>36558
>downloaded a malware
>>36712
we don't all have time to always know best adblocked software, thanks, sometimes we just get annoyed sometimes we accidentally a malware
>>36711
The US uses Puerto Rico
It just hit the mainstream news but they're avoiding certain points
>>36695
>Crooks don't like the idea of being called crooks.
Which is why they will try to claim a legitimate reason for having off shore shell companies that they funnelled millions of $/£ into, claim to be great philanthropists or something else saintly and then act like the public actually believe that while they go to the Winchester and wait for it to all blow over.
Trouble is there is NEVER a legitimate lawful reason to do this other than tax avoidance schemes which only exist as long as they can't be used by people other than the super rich or large companies.
>>36679
He no wan trabble, he no wan taxes too.
I wonder if this is warning to the western tax evaders. Shape up or you are next.
>implying The Intercept may leak them anyway but too little too late
>>36679
> be journalistic hack
> all this data, all this sauce, all this power
> first name you think of to search is "Jackie Chan"
Tim and Eric would disapprove.
>>36669
This board moves incredibly slow, read the post numbers.
For US related articles
MIAMI HERALD: "How secret offshore money helps fuel Miami’s luxury real-estate boom"
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article69248462.html
FUSION MAGAZINE: "Dirty Little Secrets"
http://interactive.fusion.net/dirty-little-secrets/
>>36683
I wouldn't jump to conclusions. His son was busted by PRC authorities for "smoking pot." Since then Jackie Chan has been the star in a lot of shitty local sitcoms. He may have also been strong-armed into laundering money. It also may be the case that he is trying to hold on to his assets from a malevolent Chinese government.
The social justice tinge all these leaks take is as troubling to me as the content of the leaks themselves. Insider threats will destroy civil society and, ultimately, only benefit the 1%.
>>36678
>Putin
People keep saying this, is it true? I've only seen that he had associates who are named.
>>36747
Every communist/socialist country is built on corruption. You can definitely count putin in even if these leaks didn't happen.
>>36747
>People keep saying this, is it true?
Nothing posted offers definitive proof of his direct involvement, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
It's kind of scary how all this could bring down entire governments.
>>36763
>It's kind of scary how all this could bring down entire governments.
kek
More like make people increase tax rates, making the gubmint bigger.
>>36747
Not him but his close relatives and associates
Also the Assad family has been revealed within the Panama Papers
>>36765
>More like make people increase tax rates, making the gubmint bigger
True, this will probably happen in governments with established rule of law, institutions, and a balance of power, but in governments where everything hinges on the neopatrimonal legitimacy of someone like Putin the risk of revolution is much greater. Recent history is peppered with examples of revolt.
>>36770
And revolution will bring worse conditions than when the corruption was unknown. Its a lose-lose everytime.
>>36711
What's so special about Delaware?
>>36777
It's a tax haven on US soil. Lots of shell companies are there.
>>36775
>worse conditions
It's not necessarily worse. Among the many recent and historical examples of revolt there are many transitions that lead to more stable, liberal governments.
Another link fam
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/04/panama-papers-care-160404093556156.html
>>36783
Yeah, but that always comes after bloody war and murder
>>36770
the reputational damage is definitely an issue for russia who are on full damage control duty today, both officially and on teh intarwebz
>>36785
Look at the current quality of life and it's ongoing, precipitous decline in a place like Russia. By some estimates Russia is already worse than Angola. If I was stuck there with no option of emigration or offshoring my assets, then you better believe I would be demanding both blood and change. I think the same is true for all people. Russians have no more inclination to accept cuck-status than anyone else.
>>36785
I think these sorts of things tend to get worse before they get better
>>36791
>Russians have no more inclination to accept cuck-status than anyone else.
That's the minority. The majority is content farming and drinking subsidised booze.
>>36793
Not if the new government seeks to get rid of all previous faults by sharing wealth, which is what has always happened and will happen. These people are frustrated and lack a firm ideological base. They think "I don't have money, so it's the fault of people richer than I" and then they bring the country down. When the new gubmint starts, they get a loan, or someone discovers a new major mine or something. They all start distributing wealth under the disguise of progress and it all crashes harder than it did before.
This is what is going to happen to the world if the US does not stand as an example. Mark my words.
does anyone have a list of de companies?
>>36808
All 214'000? I think only the journos do.
>>36775
doesn't prevent it from happening.
look at Libya. It's worse off, but it happened none the less.
THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.
IT IS TIME TO RISE AGAINST THE CORPORATIONS THAT STRANGLE AND CHOKE THE COMMON MAN.
NOW LONGER SHOULD WE SUFFER BEING UNDER THE JACKBOOT OF MEDIA PROPAGANDA AND MONOPOLY PRACTICES.
RISE
RISE
RISE
RISE
>>36806
Russian city-dwellers booze like Londoners.
>>36816
calm down there Karl Marx
>>36822
Dude 3/4 of Russians live in cities.. Also majority of Russia lives in the pretty dense Rus' so yeah, they're a city people.
>>36666
check'd
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-reviewing-panama-documents-for-potential-evidence-of-corruption-1459791029
The U.S. Justice Dpt. says it will be looking into cases that can be prosecuted in the U.S.
This is just now.
>>36837
I wonder if Trump is in there
>>36839
I'll donate $100 dollars to charity if Miss Universe isn't listed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX63WOiCw3k
>>36763
>bring down gubinment
lol won't happen
>putins friend anhero'd
>hashtag #xididnothinwrong #whynousname on qq
>assad removed and Clinton's proxy paced
>>36839
I'll take my mom to that super expensive restaurant in SF for her birthday instead of an expensive one if Trump isn't on there.
>>36666
WEW LAD
>>36585
The bbc has just aired a program naming several people from the UK. Haven't heard any U.S names yet.
>>36873
US names SOON™
I hope it shakes up the elections
>>36864
Stop projecting, you cuck. Your implications are far more unrealistic and unrelated than another color revolution. If I wasn't certain you voluntary tuck your dick for "strong men" I would almost think you're trying to advance a counter propaganda active measure.
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2016/04/04/video-iceland-protesters-gather-in-reykjavik-afte/
SHIT"S GETTING REAL IN ICELAND
>>36878
noisy
>>36761
Except Russia is not a communist or socialist country. It's a corrupt capitalist society, just like ours, except the wealthy and powerful in Russia are the corrupt communist officials of yesterday who took private control of their "equally redistributed" wealth after the fall of the USSR, which is just about the exact same thing that happened in China after their economic reforms in the 80s. Neither one can truly be considered a communist or socialist country at this point.
>Every communist/socialist country is built on corruption
Except all the ones the CIA had to forcibly stage military coups against so they could privatize national assets and implement radical free trade deals without popular consent.
>>36895
Calm down, Naomi Klein.jk, keep going anon
>>36585
Ironically, Russian media is keeping quiet on this whole affair:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-35944255
(Scroll down to 16:35)
>>36646
Oy vey
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Hundreds-of-Israeli-companies-and-shareholders-listed-in-Panama-Papers-450203
>>36873
That means there's a bunch of other people that are also flying under the radar, beeb running names is a distraction form the real shit
>>36599
there are no stupid questions anon...I hope you know how that saying ends.
>>36739
>secret offshore money
makes you think where all that money is coming from
>scarfaceinfrontofalittlehill.jpg
by the way, it's stupid to have a board where imageposting isn't allowed IN AN IMAGEBOARD SITE.
thanks for nothing Mootwo.
>>36740
>Insider threats will destroy civil society
no, conspiracy theories will and the fact that we live in a class society.
>>36761
>Every communist/socialist country is built on corruption
>said the american
>>36785
>what is Iceland?
and I don't care about their current prime-minister who is also involved.
>>36819
he's fucking right
>>36895
>at this point
or ever
other than that, you 're stating the blatant truth
>>36933
>but could we do it without the "dictatorship that immediately begins mass murders after it's been setup" thing?
could we? I bet we could. I certainly don't want a dictatorship.
And you have it in reverse: the FORMER "communist" party leaders became oligarchs, not the other way around.
Well, looks like America won gentlemen. Good night.
>>36926
There is no such thing as an "offshore society" or (upper or lower) classes that are above the law. There are only criminal individuals, subject to the laws of various countries. Sooner or later justice will prevail.
You have a point about conspiracy theories, though.
>>36535
>my man Jackie Chan in the list
Damn it son.
>>36936
>There is no such thing as an "offshore society"
ok, now you 're delving into damage control territory
and justice is absent since forever.
you may be idealistic and I understand your desire but you have to see it a little clearer.
>>36941
You said "our society". "We" don't have a society and no society exists in regards to this story. Your cynicism is also garbage since it isn't equal opportunity.
Do not conflate the criminal actions of these individuals with societies. When you do this the criminals win. Social justice won't help you either; there is only rule of law.
>>36939
You think a chink gives a damn about ethics and morality? They torture their food before they eat it, for chrissakes
>>36946
*tips fedora*
>>36946
*tips judge dredd helmet*
>>36947
>they torture their food before they eat it
>m-muh dogs and cats
Get real, anytime I see some dummy spewing this bullshit I never see them bawling about the chickens, cows, and pigs they gobble daily. Unless you're some kind of all-animal-protecting vegan you have no right to judge how other countries eat or treat their animals and how China deals with their kind of poverty regarding food shortage.
I wish I was still optimistic (naive) enough to think this would lead to anything. These people have armies of lawyers, lobbyists, and security.
They might get some tokens at the bottom of the rich pile (Jackie Chan? Who cares?), but no one that directly shapes the policy of governments or funnels significant wealth outside of economies will even be challenged.
>>36953
You don't understand. They skin these animals alive and shit. They boil dogs alive. Personally, I don't chicken or beef or pork anymore but even if I did at least I'm human enough to not accept them being tortured to death in case it makes them taste better.
>>36911
holy shit this is really really REALLY for real
>>36962
>i read an article on buzzfeed
>>36964
Fuck you there are VIDEOS of it
>>36535
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fire-Erupts-in-IRS-Building-374528441.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DCBrand
Pure coincidence.jpeg
>>36537
FOR YOU
>>36537
uuu
>>36739
Foreigners will buy upscale real estate since it holds value better than currency in their respective nations.
The leak is disappointing and disheartening to say the least, but did any one really not suspect that this kind of stuff goes on?
>>36722
Why would they? The only way to coerce them into paying their dues would be to threaten their lives. They have enough to fight any number of lawsuits and it seems like jail time does not deter them either.
>Doing a story in journo-school
>Never really think to get information from 4chan even though I come here every day
>Decide to peruse this thread
>Thoroughly enjoyable to see everyone's opinions and sharing of information
>Gives me ideas and leads
/blog
Thanks guys.
>>36941
>delving into damage control territory
what does this even mean? legit curious
For those found to be breaking the law, only a select few will ever receive any attention to make examples of them who are politically inconvenient.
With this much data, most will probably go unnoticed by the majority of people, similar to other publicly available information e.g. political campaign donations.
I can honestly see that when these people finally get cornered on this they will say that the money in these offshore companies is actually helping the global economy, and taxing it would be a disaster for global economic stability and job creation.
Then blame tax rates and poor spending practices of government, anything to get public opinion on their side.
>>36553
Not yet, the guys who made it public said there are some really big Persons (Americans) are not published yet
>>36962
>i have never been within 20 feet of an American slaughterhouse
The name should make it obvious, faggot.
>>37033
They won't be published, you pleb. At least not the most important ones. It is no coincidence so much emphasis on Putin has been made. What was supposed to be a worldwide eye opener was stolen by the FBI while sabu was working with the feds and is now a weapon to further Western interests.
>>36553
Us murricans have more sophisticated forms of tax evasion.
>>36998
the difference is that now no one can turn a blind eye toward it without looking either a hypocrite or fool
and there are going to be thousands of investigations going forward because of this, especially in nations where the people and government don't consider themselves a big jokes
Iceland's PM is already discussing dissolution
>>37050
right
we just keep all the records and resources in house and off electronic media
>>37046
>there's absolutely no way someone could leak this data again
>NO WAY DUDE
god I wish I was young and naive again
Americans be like: i did not have sex with that woman.
Lets focus on people that are not important and point at em, while the real scumbags is laughing behind there walls in goverments.
been in circus much? because thats how you get a circus....
>>37074
Fucktard, let me reiterate. The important, big American name's are not going to be released. Make sense now?
>>37018
yeah one already did i saw on bbc today
>think of the poor financial services sector of panama
>>36535
I guess the plan is when the leaks become big enough, it will take longer to look at the dump than the perpetrators have left to live.
>>36777
More than a quarter of Deleware's state funding comes from corporate registration fees.
>Go to Delaware to see the miles and miles of corporate HQ buildings...see nothing but clear skies and broad horizons.
>>37084
And what makes you so sure that the names won't be released in this first round?
What makes you so sure that the names will never be released even if they are censored right now?
What would be confirmation enough for you to believe that a big American name has been released?
>>37084
>200 people in the US exposed for using tax havens in Panama Papers leak
>The leak of secret documents offering an unprecedented insight into how the rich use tax havens to hide their wealth included some powerful Americans
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/05/panama-papers-leak-americans-exposed-tax-havens
Bump, biggest leak ever. Let's get more discussion here...
This is actual important news.
>>37005
glad all of our rambling is helping someone
icelandic PM quits
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35966412
"The leaks, from Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, showed Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson owned an offshore company with his wife but had not declared it when he entered parliament
He is accused of concealing millions of dollars' worth of family assets.
Mr Gunnlaugsson says he sold his shares to his wife, and denies any wrongdoing."
>>37123
Lol thanks. I'm finding it rather difficult to write much however. There is just so much information that has become available in a 48h period that properly stratifying everything is not easy.
Regardless, you guys are definitely helping.
>>36768
>Also the Assad family has been revealed within the Panama Papers
shock horror
>>36958
yeah, it won't go too far. if it did, people would start winding up in culverts, drains and ditches from Moscow to Madagascar.
In honor of the Panama Paper Wiki Leak: the ONLY song that should be played on the radio .. all day.. on repeat: PANAMA by Van Halen
Best Part is.. its from the 1984 Album
Coincidence?
1984 : George Orwell book:
Nineteen Eighty-Four, often published as 1984, is a dystopian novel by English author George Orwell published in 1949. The novel is set in Airstrip One, a province of the superstate Oceania in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism under the control of a privileged elite of the Inner Party, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrime."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r8qpf2Paw
The new president of Argentina (Mauricio Macri) is involved, and the scandal its actually going with low profile by the local news.
>>36939
He's been shilling for the chinese government and supporting their censorship/propaganda for a while, I'm not that surprised tbh
>implying anything will happen
People will just go "omg how could they!!" and then go back to their normal lives after a week.
>>37158
This guy....he knows whats up ;)
Obama said he's going to take care of the Delaware tax evasion situation, I doubt he's going to succeed in anything since US companies (Apple, Coca-Cola, Google) use Delaware as a legal way to pay way less taxes.
French TV show "Cash Investigation" made a documentary about the Panama Papers and tax evasion as a whole, I don't find any english subtitles right now but just watch the journalist meeting with Ariane De Rotschild, new head of the Rotschild bank company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOvAShvUef0
>>36666
Fucking witnessed
>>37158
>fiscal law enforcement agencies all over the world are just going to assume this is none of their business
@<{:^) [it's supposed to be a clown]
>honk honk
>>36666
noice
>>36666
Nice
>>37143
I think is actually his father not him.
