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There will be a Democratic presidential candidate "forum"(really a debate but they can't call it that because Debbie Wasserman Schultz has limited debates.) today at 8 P.M EST.

It will be on C-span, youtube and Fusion.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/08/things-to-watch-for-at-the-iowa-black-brown-forum/78523298/

http://fusion.net/story/253387/making-democratic-forum/
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nice spam thread
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>>16163
Hey now, I didn't know this was going on until I read it here.

DNC is doing a good job of keeping things quiet
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You mean Sanders and the other no chance, really don't want, pretend candidate will cheer Clinton on for an hour or so show ???

It's a commercial, not a debate.
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>>16169
lol, Bernie is beating Hillary in New Hampshire.
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>>16163
What makes it a spam thread?
>>16166
I didn't know about this either and I constantly watch cable news channels. According to the story OP submitted it's called the 'Black-Brown dinner' because it's really for black and brown people, meaning it's entirely about 'minority' issues.

Why Debbie Wasserman Schultz schedules these things during the National College Football Championship Game is a mystery.
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>>16177
>Why Debbie Wasserman Schultz schedules these things during the National College Football Championship Game is a mystery.
The conspiracy is that it is to keep Clinton as the presumptive nominee and not give challengers a chance.
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>>16197
Yeah it's kinda fucking obvious there's party favoritism going on.
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Conservative here, can any leftists tell me who you think's gonna the DP is gonna nominate?
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>>16354
Hillary unless the DoJ indicts her, and even probably still then because Hillary and the DNC heads won't let it go.

They won't give it to Bernie, so maybe Biden will go to the convention and try to fight it out, who knows, it's a really huge cluster fuck that nobody is talking about because everyone is scared to death of it happening for real, while it's looking more and more like Trump is going to glide into his convention and basically flip what everyone has been saying about the RNC onto the DNC.
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>>16354
kind of a toss-up. the money says hillary, the dumb-as-all-fuck college vote/aging socialist vote/broke fucker vote says bernie
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>>16354
Smart money is on Shillary, most people think she can beat Trump, but most of the mainstream left doesn't consider Trump a serious candidate. Nobody on the left is willing to engage with him until they're forced. It's a good strategy, letting him shit all over the Republican power structure.
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>that trap beat that they used for in-betweens
lol
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>>16525
>most people think she can beat Trump
Oh man, how can anyone delude themselves that badly? Hillary is a monstrously horrible matchup for almost anyone, especially Trump.

You need to send a guy like Joe Biden out there to challenge him, not fucking Hillary Clinton, the Amazingly Unlikable Woman.

Also, the Democrats unwillingness to face Trump will lead to the same fate as the Republicans that ignored him. If the Democrats can't actually take a realistic look at what Donald Trump is doing, and what is base consists of, they're going to be in for a totally devastating election that is likely to reshape both parties, and since Trump has an R next to his name, it means that party is going to walk away the victor. The absolute only way to stop this from happening is to put a guy that targets his base up for the nomination, like Biden. Putting him against Hillary will mean that he'll likely continue to go on the path of remaking the Republicans as the nationalist working/middle class party, which is an overwhelmingly popular position.

Denial has likely lost the GOP establishment their place in the world, and the Dems as a whole are set to lose even worse if they can't see the storm that's coming before it hits.
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>>16581
This race is basically people who vote would vote for literal Hitler if he was a democrat vs people who hate the current establishment and pc culture, not a classic R vs D race.
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>>16581
>Oh man, how can anyone delude themselves that badly?
Because Trump and his supporters talk like you and nobody thinks he can be a successful diplomat with such an abrasive, boorish, obnoxious attitude. Let's be honest, cards on the table, do you really want someone like Trump negotiating nuclear weapons treaties? I sure don't.
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>>16620
Trump is one of the world's best negotiators, that is his singular greatest strength above all.

I literally want not a single other human being alive negotiating any single deal concerning America.

You have to be totally ignorant of the man's whole like to actually think he wouldn't be one of our finest, most powerful diplomats that America has elected since whenever. It's already common cause that Donald Trump will be the strongest entity in any given room, so why you would want someone less effective just because they appeal to your retard sensibilities that clearly don't work, given our last disastrous presidents.

I'll take the guy with the proven ability to get things done over some suit leeching off tax dollars any day of the week.
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>>16631
>You have to be totally ignorant of the man's whole like to actually think he wouldn't be one of our finest, most powerful diplomats that America has elected since whenever.
Yeah, until he says Angela Merkel took an extended break from a meeting because she was getting schlonged. You can't bully and offend and insult people, even your enemies, anon, and still get respect. He's repulsive, and that's a very good and valid reason why he shouldn't be president.
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>>16637
Hillary Clinton deserves everything she gets first of all, and Trump is just on warpath mode because he's fighting to win the nomination and presidency against basically all odds, and winning, might I add.

This isn't diplomat Trump, this is Donald "I-Can-Destroy-My-Enemies-With-Just-A-Word" Trump, which is a ferociously powerful weapon to wield if done so in the favor of America. He's the kind of guy that could topple a dictator just with a few words. Trump isn't out there calling people names, he's out there crushing his enemies with just the power of his words.

Diplomacy is an easy sell on Trump because he's a personable guy, and by and far would be the single most powerful world leader on the stage, in regards to both the country he represents and the kind of person he is, and power commands respect. He's not an idiot, he knows how to handle people and make things work, that's how he got where he is today, and notice how he reserves his kill-shots specifically for people that he needs to beat, not for people he needs to get along with.

Also, Angela Merkel will be gone before he takes office. Germany is going to crucify her sooner or later.
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>>16665
Sorry, if we elect Trump, do you know what the Koreans, the Japanese, the Europeans are going to say? "Call us in eight years."
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>>16666
They already awarded Trump honorary mayor title over in Yalta, so no, foreigners like Trump, too.
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>>16670
There's a petition to preemptively ban him from the UK, and it's got legs, anon.
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>>16673
You mean the petition that got laughed out of parliament because of the tax revenues Trump will bring in?

I get that you don't know much about the man, but c'mon, he's running for president, you should probably at least look him up on Wikipedia.
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>>16666
Good joke, we own those countries and they know it.

They'll answer the phone on the first ring when Trump calls them.
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>>16675
>>16678
You are memes, both of you. And Trump is a meme candidate, an oafish, offensive turbo-redneck, and there's no sane person that wants him in control of a nuclear arsenal.
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>>16683
>One of the wealthiest Manhattan real estate tycoons who shits in bathrooms carved from Italian marble on the way to bang his supermodel wife to pump out another 6'6 Aryan kid
>A redneck

I see 2016 will be the year of lefty tears and cognitive dissonance.

Aren't you late for your #RefugeesWelcome march to bring in more rapists and murders to sweep under the rug to stick it to whitey?
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>>16685
There's the Trump supporter we all know! Keep it up, every time one of you jumps off the deep end, it's another vote for Bernie or the Bitch. Obnoxious, aggressive, and completely divorced from the reality of the situation.

>hyuck hyuck, I heard Peng Li Hyuan was getting schlonged, lololol #slipperyslope

Hear that? That's the sound of the diplomatic closing of door after door when no leader in the world can face his people after making a deal with loudmouthed turbo-Trump.
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>>16631
There an enormous difference when you're negotiating with businesses versus companies. Trump has tried to convince the American public, which is already so consumed by consumerism, that the government is no different, and should function no differently, than a corporation. This has been a rather easy sell for him because most Americans don't know shit about business or government besides the fact that historically both have tried to fuck them over.

In reality, Trump will be disastrously terrible at negotiating with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and even Mexico; countries where things like "honor" are actually taken seriously. Countries where their leaders who were born into power will literally allow their people to be nuked to death just to take out Florida.

There's a reason the Republicans are constantly saying we're weak, they're using scare tactics. We have the largest military budget in the world, six times larger than China's and ten times larger than Russia's. When you're on the top, you don't need to negotiate with a dickhead, power-trip attitude. You negotiate with manners and posture, because at the end of the day you're still winning.
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>>16709
>You negotiate with manners and posture
What the fuck, no you don't, are you out of your mind? Negotiation is all mind games and leverage, and the guy currently winning the Republican nomination literally LITERALLY wrote the book on negotiating.

If you're actually taking Trump at face value then you're just being gamed by him so hard it's almost sad. This is all a strategy, an act, it's a huge setup to have him not only in the position of power by taking incredibly hardline positions, but also casting himself as the most powerful person in any given room on Earth at any time. He's set to have the strongest negotiating position he could possibly have coming out of the general, and nothing currently is set to stop it.

Also, you have no idea what any other countries think because you're just pulling shit out of your ass to make up a reason why Trump couldn't beat the shit out of these countries linguistically with a smile on his face. Everyone on the planet knows they wouldn't be able to match Trump in the negotiating room, and you can claw at any rational your mind desperately tries to make up to knock that, but it will never be anywhere close to resembling the basic facts of geopolitics or the simplicity of interpersonal relationships that they're built on.

>>16688
>People are going to vote for the aging communist Jew or the unconvinced felon

Oh that slaps me on the knee.

>A bloo bloo people won't talk to Trump because he's a meanie pants
They won't have a choice, and they'll all love him because he's charismatic and tough, and people absolutely adore that shit. Don't act like you know a single thing about a single person on any part of the globe, because what people respect is personal strength, and he doesn't lack for any, so especially all these macho cultures around the world will have a huge boner for Trump that they lack for our current wiener in chief.

But keep dreaming as the Dem blue collar base bleeds more and more into Trump every day
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>>16732
>You negotiate with manners and posture
You can't negotiate without manners and posture, anon.
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Time to watch Bernie and Hillary go at each other like like two tranquilized zucchinis in two separate aquariums.
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>>16769
have you read the art of the deal yet kiddo?
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>>16984
Oh for God's sake. This is the same meme that Ross Perot supporters used on me in the 90s, and Ron Paul again in the 2000s, "If you don't support my candidate, you just haven't learned enough about him and you refuse to learn because you're a Democrat tit-sucker" and it wasn't valid then, it's not valid now, why repeat it? Business negotiations and corporate negotiations have little to do with each other, starting with the fact that what goes on in front of the camera means at least as much as what happens behind closed doors. What I see of Trump in front of the camera is that he's a dangerous hothead who has no filter. He doesn't belong as leader of a modern first-world country, period. I don't need to read his book or watch his infomercial or "study it out" or anything else you're going to tell me because I know a Trump presidency will isolate America and blow all the political capital made over the past eight years by Obama, Kerry, Clinton, etc. Can you imagine Donald Trump's response to the ten sailors held by Iran? "Bomb the shit out of them!" he would say. This is a perfect example of a situation Trump would escalate, that was resolved by John Kerry with a phone call and I think you know that. You can't subjugate half the world and expect the other half to fall in line like you Trump supporters seem to think he's capable of doing.
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>>16631
>they appeal to your retard sensibilities
You mean, like religion?
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>>16993
kek
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>>16991
So you didn't read it
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>>16993
>heh, I thought up something snarky so I wouldn't have to face why my argument is bad
>tough luck kiddo, pssh
>*teleports away*
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>>17015
Why not make your point?
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>>17018
Because it outlines exactly the methodology he uses in public and in private to negotiate deals and deal with various peoples, and explains away all your hysterical bullshit in cold logic and examples of how and why he does what he does, and makes a better point than anything an anonymous weeaboo on the internet can make because it stares you in the face and says:

>"This is how I operate, and if you don't realize how or why I do what I do then you're the one who's unable to recognize and utilize these methods and probably perform worse because of it."

>>16991
>Business negotiations and corporate negotiations have little to do with each other
This is so painfully wrong. Every negotiation is exactly the same as the others because the same science and logic is at work just on differing scales and for differing goals. Negotiation is based entirely on interpersonal manipulation or persuasion, and you either get it or you don't.

If you think Trump has no filter then you're missing out so painfully on he various persuasion skills and the methodology behind what he says and does, because it all works in unison towards a single goal. Literally every phrase and body movement he says and makes is part of the psychological manipulation skills that Trump is literally one of the world's best at. If you actually sit here and go
>bloo bloo bloo he's just a rude meanie and doesn't know what he's doing
Than you are just a total retard, because these are the same skills and methods he uses in all his personal business dealings, just on public display more than ever.

There's no accidents coming out of Trump's mouth, it's all calculated on a level you apparently can't even comprehend.


Or you can just pretend this is all an accident and he's flying by the seat of his pants, and just so happens to be on a 40 year hot streak which will end any minute now because he's so dumb and has no idea what he's doing, for real this time, I swear.
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>>17021
I just realized something.

You haven't read the fucking book either.

Business negotiations and *diplomatic negotiations, I meant to say, but I think you got that. If you really think they're even close to each other, you should go back to high school government class.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump calling his opponents losers, implying Hillary got schlonged or that she had to take a shit or change her tampon are not genius negotiating tactics, they're lunatic rants from an arrogant blowhard, much like your comments here, anon.
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>>16155
Check 'em
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