It's always like this. Please kill me.
>>965858
>unironically living in LA
>>965858
>not selling your car and riding your bike and public transportation in LA
>>965875
Sucks man. The city of LA is trying with the subway but a lot of residents are just dicks, move somewhere else less crowded.
>>965877
>LA
>a lot of residents are just dicks
shocking.
who ever would have guessed?
>>965877
They're a lot nicer than people on the east coast though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebboO52In1w
Get a bike and start riding everywhere.
I live there too and at one point owned a car and drove it everywhere, hating my entire existence because of the traffic.
I sold the car and got myself a bike and haven't even thought about the bullshit that is LA traffic.
>>965905
it amazes me how many rails and junctions are there on that line but basically close to none traffic, really outdated and ineffective infrastructure
>>965858
About a decade ago or so there was a news blip of this dude in Brazil who was so sick and tired of the traffic that he started commuting along the coast by jet ski and it shaved off something retarded like 2.5 hrs off his commute per day. This was from door to door.
You can also you know, move closer to your work and ride a bike.
>>965908
Dude, I think the one thing that would kill me if I lived in LA is finding parking. Like finding off streets at random times is hard and fuck dat rush our traffic. Man, I'm so glad I don't live in OC anymore, that just raised my blood pressure typing that.
>>965932
Fuck man I completely forgot about parking. That shit would completely deter me from even thinking about going certain places.
I guess that explains the new found love for LA once all that stress fell away.
>>965858
Only 5 more years OP
>>965986
LA fags have nothing to complain about. They put up the cash via Measure R (and soon Measure R2) for a modern transit network. It's not a question of if it will happen, but when (specifically 2020s vs 2030s for pic related).
Meanwhile up here in the Bay Area BART needs a billion dollars just to keep the trains running, and they have to rebuild all of their SF stations because homeless people keep shitting down the escalators. Muni and ACT are both totally incompetent, and VTA is ineffective due to bad zoning policies around stations. Caltrain and ACE are good but need more money.
>>965986
>5 more years
By this I mean:
1. Santa Monica Expo Line (already finished and opened)
2. Regional Connector (downtown LRT subway) opens 2019
3. LAX/Crenshaw line opens 2019
4. Southern California Regional Interconnector Project (LAUS run-through tracks) opens 2019
5. UCLA subway could be a thing by 2022 if Measure R2 is put on the ballot and passed.
6. Long Beach Green Line could be could be a thing by 2022 as well if Measure R2 is put on the ballot and passed.
Basically, LA is on the move transit wise and is building. This is better than what the Bay Area is doing.
>>965858
being from iowa i was worried driving here was going to be a lot worse than it actually was before memorial day two weeks ago. yeah it took forever to get anywhere, but if anything google's faster route alternatives didn't help that much being honest.
>>965858
I lived in Long Beach for six months, working a job in Anaheim
1.5 hour commute each way
30 minutes looking for a parking spot when I got home
Guess why I moved!!?!?! :D
>>965988
>A system that isn't entirely hub and spoke
There's Hope.
>inb4 the cagecucks vote down R2
>>966067
The cagers are so fucked by their commutes now that they themselves don't want to do it anymore. It's glorious.
Also Measure J (which would have allowed the LACMTA to borrow double) only failed because of the nigger "bus riders union" that claimed light rail was racist. But even then the measure failed with only 66.1% of the vote, .6% short of the minimum required to pass. Everything points to R2 passing without a problem.
The larger question is if Metrolink will get their shit together, because it's going to cost $2 billion just to accommodate CAHSR. And CAHSR itself won't be coming to the LA area until 2025 unless LA puts up the money for it themselves.
>tfw in nice, white, mountain town, with little cars, let alone traffic
>>965988
>BART, SFMTA, ACT, VTA, ACE, Caltrain
Jesus Christ how many agencies do you need to run a transit system in one metropolitan area?
>>966168
7 counties = 7 bus agencies
3 commuter rail agencies (Caltrain, ACE, SMART)
2 light rail agencies (Muni, VTA)
2 intercity rail agencies (federal Amtrak, Caltrans-sponsored Capitol Corridor trains)
1 metro rail agency (BART)
>>966207
The Bay Area is the opposite of LA: since there's a bay, the entire area was split up into different counties. Most of the LA area is inside LA County. As such, LA Co was able to quickly expand their light rail/metro rail systems since it was all under one jurisdiction. Meanwhile, the Bay Area proved unable to expand any of their rail systems beyond Joint Powers Boards that operate commuter rail.
It should be noted that BART was designed to be the *one* Bay Area Rapid Transit system. However, the planners of the system expected urban growth to continue eastward, with most trips being into SF. Instead, Silicon Valley happened and all the growth happened in the south which BART does not serve.
During the past 20 years, in place of BART arose both Caltrain, the Capitol Corridor and ACE which operate SJ-bound trips. BART is not expected to have a direct connection to San Jose's main station until 2025.
>>966207
>>966211
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>>966213
And, finally, BART's original 1961 map. Notice how it dead ends at the border of Santa Clara County. Today, San Jose is the 10th largest city in the entire US.
>>966080
dude you want traffic? try maui, hawaii. i shit you not.
>>966213
Is SF's transit really that bad? I've only been once to SF on holiday, public transit seemed much more decent than your average murrican city. Surely I only moved around downtown, but then again fuck those retards who go live in the burbs and then complain about bad public transit.
>>966244
I wouldn't call it "bad". 20 years ago it was far better than what LA had (nothing). But now most cities are now at least building some sort of transit, including nearby San Jose. SF hasn't done any major projects except for the new T-line, which parallels the existing Caltrain tracks.
The problem is that SF focused entirely on connecting itself to Oakland but all the growth was in San Jose. Even after BART goes to SJ, it'll still be a longer ride than taking Caltrain directly to SF. If you look at transit studies done on SF, it all focuses on getting people into downtown via Market Street (which Muni is built around) and the Transbay Tube (which BART is built for). Just has it has since Muni was first built in 1906.
The new T-line is a means of "addressing" this, but isn't really a solution. There's still a major connectivity problem between Caltrain, Muni and BART inside SF itself. This is a particularly big problem given that CA high speed rail will run on Caltrain's line. Pic related (also notice how most people still suggest that the next transbay tube should be for BART, and not regular trains).
>>966305
For comparison, San Jose Diridon station hosts 2 commuter rail lines, Amtrak, and their own local light rail. BART will have a connection too sometime in a decade. It makes for an actual "hub"/transfer point.
>>966310
better image
>>966215
OT, but that got me wondering, were there ever any concepts drawn up for BART rolling stock in that era?
>>966312
there was, BART's orignal 1956 concept cars had a very 50s look to them. This is the best I can get though, but there's actual design docs from the 1956 plan that show exactly what they would look like
>>966235
I'm saying I rarely have to deal with traffic you dense faggot.
>>966316
here's one cropped from the source listed here:
https://burritojustice.com/2010/09/01/bartstalgia/
This isn't what I was talking about though. The original design doc had a much more "50s" station wagon type of look. This one is clearly much more early 60s (ie streamlined).
>>965858
get a motorcycle and you can lane split.
>>965986
>>965988
It's so nice that LA is slowly getting it's shit together. A good transit network means that living here will eventually become tolerable.
>>966320
The quality is a bit shit, but I managed to dig this up, is it what you saw?
>>965932
Dude, my thoughts exactly. I love LA. I love Southern California. But dealing with that traffic will literally take 20 years out of your life span. And the parking issue only compounds several years more to those 20.
>>965991
I see Santa Monica is still being a huge gigantic bitch about having rails built in their town.
That's why you live where you work, dummy. I live in San Pedro, work on the docks. It takes me 12 minutes to get from my home to the dispatch hall in Wilmington.
A couple months ago I did a TV job out in the SFV on a Thursday. I spend at least 90 minutes in traffic each way. If I had to do that shit every day I'd kill myself.
What if the ALWEG Monorail had been built in the '60s?
>>966414
no
It is still California
>>966467
actually no, it's hollywood and beverly hills being bitchy about the purple line extension. The LAX/Crenshaw line is proceeding on time. The Expo line to the coast opened last month
>working
>driving a car
>driving a car in traffic
>driving a car in traffic to work
Why not just kill yourself? There is lots of good info available online on how to effectively and painlessly commit suicide.
