Why is music objectively the best art form?
The official rankings are:
Music > Literature > Vidya > Film > TV
What about visual arts?
>>66256660
>Vidya > Film
Opinion Discarded
>>66256683
Hmm that might go in front of vidya.
Video Games (most enjoyment) > Music > TV + Film > Literature (least enjoyment)
>>66256729
What an utter pleb
>>66256729
You are a sad sad little man.
>>66256729
Art is not about enjoyment. It is about making you think and developing yourself as a human being
>>66256729
absolute kekers in my knickers, only if you're 11
nah it's
Film>music>tv>literature>vidya
you haven't watched good kino if u think music is better especially how accessible it is to understand music
if we are factoring in difficulty level move literature ahead of tv
>>66257122
You mean at the fixed idea of what a "human being" is?
>>66256660
Music > Literature > Vidya > TV > Film
>>66256729
>video games
>top
The artform is still in it's infancy, you dip
>>66256660
Art is one thing that music is a part of, no piece is better than the other
>>66256660
Literature > Music > Film > Video Games > TV
objectively
It's superior to literature in that it can circumvent educational shortcomings and language barriers to hit you right in the heart, whereas lit is more dependent on your understanding of the content.
We're talking generally here.
Of course to the untrained ear, the opposite would be said of atonality, dissonance, and noise.
>>66257334
>literature above music
Wew
>>66257374
No that's not right you pseud
>>66258532
No actually, it is.
Listening is a passive activity. Reading for comprehension is highly active.
>videogames as an art for
>vidya > film
Kek
Film>Literature>Music>TV>vidya
videogames are fun but that shit aint art.
>>66256729
>Videogames at top
>literature at bottom
How's middleschool treating you?
Film > Music > Literature > Television > vidya
>>66256729
holy fucking shit dude
Film > Lit > Music >>> TV >>>>>>>> Vidya
Objective patrician ranking coming through
literature > music > film > vidya > TV
The correct ranking is obviously
Literature > Music > Film > Vidya > TV
1. Music
2. Architecture
3. Painting, sculpture
4. Poetry, literature
5. Film
6. Photography
7. Video games
Anybody who thinks music is the best is an under 18 year old who can't finish a book or film unless it's capeshit or harry potter
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TIERS
EXCLUDING FASHION AND CULINARY THAT ARE AT A SEPARATED WORSE TIERS
>>66256660
It's actually literature > film > music > TV > vidya
Kid A and Taxi Driver are known for their themes on Loneliness, Isolation, Anxiety at the face of your perception on modern times
Which platform did a better job, and will always do a better job?
Film.
A movie will always mean more.
>>66256660
Literature>Visual arts>Music>Film>TV Shows=Video games
I choose to put Literature first as it can not only convey almost everything from the other art forms, but it can also be easily altered in one's mind, perfecting something for an individual which the author might have not even realised.
Visual arts I've put second as they can evoke as much thought as a film, book or a whole album in seconds or minutes, altough not always or not as wide of a topic, but things like Duchamp's Fountain always make me feel interested and amazed.
For the example I choose the Fountain on purpose, as first when I've heard of it, I was very vocal about it being garbage, waste of anyones time and of course "How can that be considered art!?" After two weeks when I've almost forgot about it, I've realised that the whole movement of Ready Made was to shock and or enrage, and it has accomplished that fantastically.
Music I've put third, because again, if it's supposed to convey scenery, story, and so on, one can alter it to his likings, making the experience even better.
Film is on the fourth place as technically it always comes from a form of literature, but not always it expresses the same concept, feelings or point.
TV Shows I've put fifth as they're made to be only for the consumption itself and lack any kind of after-thought, but again that probably doesn't apply to every show and I might be wrong here. I believe that there is no TV show that couldn't have it's content made into one film, or maybe a trilogy, instead of eight+ episodes or multiple seasons. The more episodes people watch, the more dosh, milking one idea for more than it's worth.
cont. even thought nobody probably cares.
>>66256660
Music>Film + TV>Vidya>>>>>>>Literature
>>66258875
>>66258920
>>66258718
>>66258696
>>66258672
>Film > Music
What kind of shit music do you listen to?
Even the best film is way inferior to most classical music.
>>66258981
I'm not even sure why you put Video Games in these ratings though, they might be good and fun, but they're not art. I would say there is a few exceptions though, when people bring up this discussion, I like to talk about Silent Hill 2. The game has fantastic atmosphere, has the feeling of survival horror enhanced by providing the player with bad controls - a fantastic break of the fourth wall, nice story and multiple branches of it covering different characters, very unsettling design and a fantastic soundtrack. Overall a great experience combining all of the previously mentioned, so in some sense it is art. There isn't many similar games though, so considering the whole genre art is completely out of the question.
>>66258981
Top kek stop now before you embarrass yourself too hard. What are you 16 years old?
music > literature > tv > film > vidya
>>66258894
>EXCLUDING FASHION AND CULINARY THAT ARE AT A SEPARATED WORSE TIERS
Why is food art at a separated tier? just because eating unhealthy food is bad and so the art type itself limit the freedom the artist will have?
Music = Literature > Photography > Film >>> TV
There is no objectively best art form, some people are more moved by music, others by literature or movies etc.
>>66259016
don't kid yourself you just namedrop classical music to seem like you know anything.
Film and literature are superior to music it's not even funny
It's so fucking EASY TRICKING PEOPLE INTO HAVING "GOOD" taste in music. its laughable
/mu/ is prime example of people just copying shit from somebodys chart and listing them off as proof they know music.
don't play yourself
lit > film ≥ music > vidya > tv
>>66259106
I'd say Film>TV just because of TVs potential as an art form (see Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The Wire)
>>66259130
>citizen kane is superior to the mass in b minor
you are a disgusting pleb
video game > sculpture > theater > movie > painting > music > literature
>>66259130
Movies are the worst. Most.
>some stupid phrases
>same stupid plots
>sometimes special effects
>lame photography
That's all. Movies aren't art. They're sick recording of ordinary people.
>>66259169
I think ">" means greater than, not less than
>>66257334
This
>>66259153
Hello the USA
>>66259193
lmao and music is better right?
AHHHHHHHHH FRANKIE SINATRA
don't forget movies always make 50x the money than music
film>music
literature > theater > sculpture > video game > movie > painting > music = photography
>>66258962
Spiderland and The perks of being a wallfower both deal with teenage anxiety and lonliness, which one do you think did a better job?
fuck your arbitrary comparrisons
Music > TV > Vidya > Film > Literature
>ranking art forms
If you do this, you're a faggot.
music = literature = video games = film = television = art
>>66259287
perks did it better
>>66259016
What kind of shit films do you watch? Cinema is far more stimulating than music, and simply by its nature is able to approach a much broader scope of ideas, from the abstract to the concrete, in relation to music. also it's funny you point to classical when trying to make a case for something better than film, when jazz is clearly the superior musical form.
The beauty of film is that it is still in its infancy, yet it is already reaching levels of experimentation, ambition, and influence rivaling those of music.
No classical work could rival masterpieces like Mirror, Andrei Rublev, La Jetee, Taxi Driver, The Passion of Joan of Arc, The Master, 2001: A Space Odyssey, etc.. Just compare the volumes of scholarly works regarding music and cinema, cinema offers a far more expansive range of tools, themes, and ideas to express compared to music. I quite enjoy and study both, but cinema is indubitably the superior art form.
>people who unironically consider vidyashit an artform exist and post on this board
Fucking end yourselfs you absolutely disgusting plebian subhuman scum
That is ofc, if you arent baiting, which i hope you are, and if you're not, please kys and stop wasting oxygen.
Music>Literature>Movie>>>>>Vidya>TV
>>66259372
pleb
>>66256729
dude nice
>>66259472
Forgot to say that TV isn't even an art form
>>66259485
Idiot
perks is literature turned into film
spiderland is just some shitty noise rock that led up to one their members attempting suicide because his wife dumped him for a rich guy
>>66259287
The comparison wasn't arbitrary though, there are very concrete parallels between Kid A and Taxi Driver. Both are widely held in high esteem by critics of both art forms. Both are ambitious in scope, and utilize advanced techniques in their execution (though Taxi Driver employs a far more sophisticated range)
The link between Spiderland and Perks of Being a Wallflower is more tenuous, as one is highly regarded while the other is not, and the themes in Spiderland take a decidedly far darker and nihilistic turn as opposed to those explored in the markedly unambitious Perks of Being a Wallflower. Spiderland also utilizes advanced musical elements, whereas Perks uses fairly straightforward and basic filmmaking techniques.
>>66259573
don aman is the best portrayal of party anxiety in any medium
also if you think that's noise rock you literally don't know shit about music
>>66258875
>I've never explored baroque and romantic music
>>66256660
Objectively there all pretty equal except for vidya so here's my subjective ranking of them.
Film>Music>Literature>Vidya>TV
>>66259259
>only argument is cherrypicking
*laughing emoji*
>>66258812
this is the most accurate in this thread
>>66259709
>I've never explored French New Wave, Italian Neorealist, Soviet, or Hollywood Classical cinema
I don't get why you guys keep putting film so low.
Film is the most complete of all arts.
It contains imagery and in some cases, if it's animated, it has painting/drawing, it has acting, it has a story(literature, even if you don't read it, it's basically read to you), most have a soundtrack(music that will go with the action in the movie). In one art, it has various arts in it. The only problem is that while Film is the most complete, it's also the hardest to do well. Sure anyone with some experience, and money can do a Michael Bay, but only true talented people with vision and passion can make a Kubrick.
Music comes second, and fuck the rest.
Vidya is a relatively new art form, you guys need to give it a break. It's still in its Stone Age.
>>66260096
>art form
hahahahaha
>>66260027
It's because most of the kids here are 16 year olds who haven't actually seen any hallmark cinema, but heard Citizen Kane was boring so cinema as a whole must be shit.
>>66260202
That's such a generalisation.
>>66259396
>>66260027
BTFO
I wish /tv/ wasn't so shit
>>66256660
Music > Film > Books > rest
>>66258569
>TRIGGERED.jpg
>Implying there isn't a HUGE difference between active and passive listening
Passive listening is what people who listen to Top 40 radio and use music exclusively as background noise (most people) do.
Active listening is what people with trained ears/musicians/people who listen to music as a hobby do and I argue it is just as intensive mentally if not more than reading comprehension.
In short, your statement literally could not have been more incorrect and ill-informed.
muisc=lit>film>vidya>>>>>tv
Music is the purest form of human expression. It is some sort of proto-language, providing the most direct access to the human condition.
>>66256660
>VIDYA ABOVE FILM
>VIDYA ABOVE ANYTHING
STOP POSTING YOU WASTE OF SPACE
>>66260867
You have no place to say that with such a shitty reaction image. Kys
Weeaboo genocide now.
>>66256729
>>66259372
Perks is one of the most cringy, corny, predictable, infuriatingly bad films I've ever watched.
>>66256729
Porn is better in terms of enjoyment than vidya.
So in your terms, porn is the best art form.
If you disagree with the fact that porn is best in terms of enjoyment bring on the (You)s
Historically:
Music>Literature>Visual Arts>Film>Vidya
Potentially:
Vidya>Film>Music>Literature>Visual Arts
By the way, TV and Film are the same artform.
>>66256660
>Vidya > Film
>>66261125
Heroin is the purest art form.
>>66261356
>>66256729
8/10 bait now post this on /v/
Music = literature = film > TV
Vidya is not art, nor should it attempt to be
>>66258750
>>66257334
objective truth
Borges: "...Generalizing from the preceding case, we could infer that all forms have their virtue in themselves and not in any conjectural “content.” This would concord with the thesis of Benedetto Croce; already Pater in 1877 had affirmed that all arts aspire to the state of music, which is pure form. Music, states of happiness, mythology, faces belabored by time, certain twilights and certain places try to tell us something, or have said something we should not have missed, or are about to say something; this imminence of a revelation which does not occur is, perhaps, the aesthetic phenomenon."
music and literature are what I take most seriously, I think precisely because the visual element is not provided to you. the slogan is "humans are visual creatures"; maybe the imagination or some deeper faculty is forced to be more involved. in a movie, you see a particular man with particular features in a particular place, doing particular things, and there's something disappointing or trivial about it (though I have seen a couple that feel "universal", or especially complete, and that I can watch many times). In a book, things are less explicit, and often it could be any man. In music, it's even less clear what exactly "is happening", and that's what I like. It's abstract (but also physical and immediate).
interestingly, characterizing music as "pure form" (I'm not totally sure what that means, but I like it), allows a comparison with mathematics, which is also concerned with form as an end unto itself (eg. the idea of a group, not any particular examples of content like rotational symmetries or modular arithmetic)
>>66256729
>video games
>top
That art form isn't even 50 years old, it's not good yet. Enjoyment is subjective, so it by default can't be an objective measuring system. also, lit at the bottom lol. what are you, 12?
Art is completely subjective, objectively measuring it is dumb. I will anyways though
Spirituality > Painting/Drawing > Music > Lit > Culinary > Film/TV > Fashion
Pretty much ranked them in order of historical importance throughout human history.
>>66256729
How to bait /mu/
hi
>>66262193
>spirituality
>art
How is Vidya not art? It involves animation, tells a story, acting, and large amount of graphic art goes into it.
>>66264289
And music.
>>66258672
I will agree that video games aren't Art but there are some games to Imo would fall under art
>vidya over anything
How's middle school going, kids?
Film=Music>Literature>Vidya=TV
Music>Painting>Literature>Cinema>Sculpture and architecture>Video games>Performance art
>>66258812
8. TV
>>66259472
>>66259561
best in thread
>>66258812
This guy gets it
>>66259396
>jazz is better than classical
>no classical work could rival taxi driver
you can tell this board is under 18
if they think vidya and music is the best form of Art.
>>66256729
wew
>>66267314
post your favorite music
it's funny because only a teenager would deny that video games are art under this pretentious belief that they are inferior to fucking television, anime, genre fiction and pop music.
like, people will say some hip-hop albums are """"art"""" but then go and say that Bioshock or The Witcher 3 aren't? give me a break
>>66264654
That's like saying a poorly-skilled sketch of something simple isn't art, just because it's not a completed work done by a professional with some "deep" vision.
>>66256660
Music > Literature > Film > TV > Vidya
There are absolutely some amazing video games that are truly art, but not enough to outweigh any of the other art forms.
lit > music > film > vidya > tv
>>66256729
kill yourself
>>66267647
sorry, entertainment can't be art
>>66256729
>literature at bottom
>vidya at top
kek
Music=Lit=Film=/>Vidya>>>>>>>TV
I can't really judge Vidya yet and TV is in only some cases, barely an art form
>>66258812
accurate
>>66256729
Good bate
>movies and video games as a serious and worthy story telling medium
Hahahahahhaha
>>66256660
painting > Music > prose > sculptures > poetry > photography > architecture > film > video games > TV
>>66267850
why not?
>>66258812
1. Math – the purest art
2. Music – audible math
3. Architecture – "frozen music" (goethe)
4. Sculpture – useless architecture
5. Painting – flat sculpture
6. Poetry – best written art
7. Literature – poor man's poetry
8. Theatre – best performing art
9. Cinema – poor man's theatre
10. Photography – poor man's painting
11. TV shows – poor man's cinema
12. Videogames (shouldn't even be on the list)
>>66256660
anime>manga>jpop>other music>tv>film>literature
>>66268116
0/10 bait
>>66256660
video games arent art but i enjoy them more than tv/film tbqh
>>66268143
baka desu senpai
sarcasm =/= bait
>>66268064
>1. Math – the purest art
math isn't art
>6. Poetry – best written art
>7. Literature – poor man's poetry
other way around
>8. Theatre – best performing art
>9. Cinema – poor man's theatre
also other way around
Film>music>literature>TV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video games
>>66267647
It's a tricky topic that a ton of people interpret wrongly super often, but at the end of the day it is definitely a medium that can be appreciated as art. Either way though, so much of what could be being done with video games isn't even being explored.
music >
>>66256660
High Quality Anything > Low Quality Anything
Porn>literature>music>film>photography>vidya
I win
>>66268205
>math isn't art
why not? it is intentional but has no innate purpose
>>66259273
Lol
>>66261968
I like you
>>66259472
Yeah, im with with this guy
>>66268379
hoahoahoahoahoa
>>66268064
This
Also I'd argue that philosophy and teology are genres of literature
>>66268379
this is so wrong it hurts
>>66268471
math is art, every mathematician knows that
https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf
thank me later
>>66268529
Not the idea that math is art, but that lameass fuckheaded brainfart of a second sentence
>>66268853
>without intention there is no art
>math is intentional
>art is not inherently commercial or functional
>so is math
>>66268918
well then
>>66256660
1. Literature (takes the most intelligence to get and is the most rewarding)
2. Visual Art (painting, sculpture, drawing, photography etc.) [most versatile and ever changing]
3. Music (can be extremely mindblowing at it's peak music can be the best art form but most of it is pretty bad)
4. Film (there are some masterpieces but most are shit)
5. Vidya (there are some fun games but vidya tries too hard to be film)
>>66269331
>3. Music (can be extremely mindblowing at it's peak music can be the best art form but most of it is pretty bad)
you can literally say the same thing about literature
music>literature
deal with it nerd
>>66269331
>1. Literature (takes the most intelligence to get and is the most rewarding)
pic related right?
Litterature > Music > Litteral Art (Canvas) > Performance >>>> Film > Vidya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV
