>tfw you have no idea what any of the songs on the Billboard Top 40 even sound like
>Think I have to know one song on the top 40
>Look
>Know absolutely none of the songs
>Half the bands I don't recognize
>mrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAuR5bkIlQ
>tfw you finally hear someone listening to the radio incidentally
>tfw you think "wtf is this trash"
>tfw you've become the old dad
>>66251565
>>66251565
>implying some of them arent genuinely good
What a close-minded faggot.
>>66251565
golly you sure are contrarian XD indie4lyfe amirite XP
you sure come off as patrician and not new at all good job blending in
>>66251668
>>66251669
did you completely misread the post
how can he know how good/bad it is if he hasn't heard it
>>66251694
His pic implies that its comfy to not know those songs dumb faggot, which means he disregards them systematically as "bad".
>tfw you realize the constant grimes threads were never a meme
looked at the top 100 list to see how pleb I am.
lost at #71 cus I listened to the TLOP meme once.
how far did you get down to?
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
Your loss I guess. It's all just music. Seems silly to cut yourself from an area where you could find things you like.
>>66251749
I got to twenty with Work because of that video where the guy ripped his pants open and his dick and balls flopped out.
>>66251749
I'm being completely honest, I haven't heard anything on that whole list
Is there anything worse and more pretentious than people who try to defend pop music because "muh open mindedness"
>>66251749
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
Actually lost at Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence" because my friends played it awhile back.. It's meh. S&G version is better.
Lost at One Dance.
>>66251938
Sorry to break it to you pal but unless you only listen to classic music the "pop music" you deride is no less musically deep or structurally complex than the majority of stuff you listen to
>>66251749
>tfw lost at 85 only because someone told you that Disturbed put out a really shitty version of Sound of Silence and you wanted to laugh at it
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR
>>66251749
35 that stupid cake by the ocean song plays at 711 all the time
>>66251668
Some are good. A high percentage aren't. It feels very formulaic to me nowadays.
Most trap rap is very similar.
All the beat dance style songs also sound very similar, having often identical structures, similar vocals and similar very organic sounding I think future house inspired drops.
While these songs are good, they are oversaturated
>top 100
# 23, 28
I lost early on but only knew two total
>>66251565
listened to Disturbed Sound of Silence cover due to the posts here. Holy fuck, terrible cover by a terrible band of a great song. simon and garfunkel all the way
>>66252154
>It feels very formulaic to me nowadays.
The vast majority of music in all genres is very formulaic dude, it always has been. The truth is that all music sounds the same to people who aren't into it and listening to a lot of it, because fundamentally most music is way more similar than it is different. Like if I showed a "pleb" some music by Autechre and Nicolas Jaar they probably wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference. That's not because there's a huge difference between these artists that doesn't exist between Fetty Wap and Future, it's because I enjoy that music and listen to it so I notice all the differences that exist.
>>66251565
>mfw I've stayed wrapped in my comfy prog rock blanket for years now
I have no idea what any of the top 100 songs are let alone any songs I listen too.
I think I'm a no music here man
>>66251749
I'm surprised Justin Timberlake is still popular.
>>66254188
he seems to disappear for years, then pop up with some """hit singles""" for a couple months and disappear for a couple more years.
>>66251565
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
I got to 10 cause I go places with my ma and shes always got the radio on
>>66251749
Tfw lost to Desiigner
>>66251749
>My dad keeps playing Disturbed's Sound of Silence cover
I don't even know why, he usually listens to ABBA and stuff like that.
>>66251565
This is pretty much me following high school.
Fuck normies have shit taste.
>>66251668
There aren't any that are good, no.
>>66251938
yes, a social recluse who takes pride in never leaving his home
>>66252270
fucking this kek
Ignorance is bliss
>>66251694
All popular music is shit anon. The more popular it is, the worse it is.
The music I love will never be in the billboard Top 40, so I couldn't care less about it.
Classical and Traditional music have much more integrity than pop. They aren't made purely for money and radio play
>>66255885
same tbqhfamilia
>>66251749
I've overheard my sisters playing some of those songs on the radio, but I've never gone out of my way to listen to any of them
>>66251724
I don't think you needed to use the word systemically in this sentence.
>>66251813
> 'Your loss I guess'
> Ariana Grande
If i needed porn i'd be browsing /s/
>>66257709
>All popular music is shit anon.
this isn't true, though I agree that Art music and trad are better in some aspects
>people defending pop music itt
honestly if there was something good /mu/ would be talking about it, no matter how hivemind-ey the majority of them are
>>66257741
Post sisters.
>>66257800
They're pretty ugly if I'm being honest with you
>>66257794
keep in mind that some of us are talking about popular music, rather than pop music
>>66257794
/mu/ often does discuss pop music. That new Beyonce album was talked about as much as the usual crop of pitchfork endorsed indie folk.
Though I'm not sure that necessarily speaks to the quality of the music.
>>66251749
Only one I know is the Distured cover because I saw them live a month ago and they played it
>>66251749
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
Lost at 4
>>66251749
well fuck I heard Timberlake song on Eurovision
>inb4 watching Eurovision at the firt place
>>66251749
Lost at #2
The melody in the prechorus of that song is fucking tasty and I am not ashamed to say it
>>66257775
>this isn't true
It really is.
>>66251749
Guys I'm crying god is this actually how it is nowadays? Fuck
>>66251749
Just Kanye and the new RHCP.
>>66258144
It isn't. You're just too much of a sperg with too much of your identity wrapped up in listening to obscure shit and jerking off over how much better you think your taste is than normal people's that you are incapable of admitting that some of the stuff they listen to might actually be good music
You're a waste of organic compounds, kys
>>66258278
My identitiy has nothing to do with what music I enjoy. Not do I think myself better than other people. Nor do I think my taste is better than others.
Popular music is made for profit. Its an excercise in marketing. I'm just not sure why I would waste my time listening to music by untrained plebs, for untrained plebs when there's 500+ years of fully trained musical geniuses that I could listen to.
Its purely about the quality of the music. Nothing else matters. Popular music is low quality, so I dont waste my time on it.
>>66258375
>Popular music is low quality
This is false. There is good and bad pop music just like there is good and bad art music.
But you're too busy sucking your own dick over how superior you consider yourself for not listening to popular stuff to acknowledge that, so
poptimism is a manufactured philosophy that's being shilled by mainstream music publications in order to make money.
to all the people defending radio pop ITT, have fun being mindless pawns.
i'm not saying that you should automatically dismiss anything that's popular on the radio, but at least listen with a critical ear. anyone who does that should be able to determine that they're listening to absolute dogshit. then they can move on to better things
>>66251749
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
The only one out of the top 5 I haven't heard is the JT song
This is what I get for having normie friends
>>66258553
Anyone who listens with a critical ear will come to the conclusion that radio pop is mostly shit with some excellent work mixed in
Just like, you know, all music
>>66251749
Lost to Jason Aldean at 46
Lost it at 46.
>>66258580
Shame, because that's the only good song in the top 5
>>66258535
eh people who write popular music dont have masters degrees in composition. Trust me its low quality, you probably just dont know any better. Bach fugues are high quality. Webern miniatures are high quality. Strauss and Schubert songs are high quality. Pretty much all classical / art music is quality, or it gets forgotten. Only the prime stuff survives, so its really a wealth of great music. I just dont understand why people waste their time on catchy tunes made for profit?
>>66258602
>mostly shit with some excellent work mixed in
>Just like, you know, all music
but you're talking out your ass. the disparity between the amount of good pop and bad pop is much larger than any other style of music
>>66258660
>"you're talking out your ass"
>proceeds to talk out his ass
kek
>>66258637
>A master's degree in composition is required to make high quality music
Oh no... this anon is retarded :(
>>66258623
It wouldn't take much to be the best song amongst those four
>>66258823
lol
>>66258850
Agreed, the JT song only wins because it has a single interesting melodic figure before it's chorus
>>66258660
>diy punk
>butt rock
>grime
>dubstep
>vaporwave
>>66258823
nothing retarded about an artist learning as much as possible about their chosen art form. If they take it seriously that is.
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>>66258553
>>66258637
>>66258823
aside from that part, that anon is right though. music that's made for the sole purpose of being catchy and memorable is inherently going to be insincere, unoriginal garbage.
also having a background of studying music theory may not be required for writing good music, but it sure as hell helps
I am pretty open minded toward pop but even still the Top 40s is way too vocal driven for me
>>66258938
>obtaining a degree is the only way to learn about music
oh no... :(
>>66258977
>>66251749
Dangerous Woman and Famous
I should listen to more of those songs if they are as decent as those two
>>66258949
nice response fag. bet you thought really hard about that one. have fun listening to I-V-VI-IV with some cunt spouting random buzzwords about having fun and partying over it
i don't like any of the songs in the top 100, which is weird, since i mainly listen to popular music
>>66258987
You'll never know until you try. Dont worry about it. Ignorance it bliss.
>anon1: objectively shit music is shit!
>anon2: wow that anon must wear a meme hat
>>66259179
kek you're fucking retarded if you think the only way to learn about music is by getting a degree in it
You're probably just some assmad fag barista who's buttblasted about the crippling student debt he accrued getting a totally worthless advanced degree in composition
>>66258375
>Doesn't think he's better than other people
>"by untrained plebs for untrained plebs"
Are you serious
>>66259236
>objectively
You don't know what that word means
>>66251749
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
Not a single one. I have heard of the Sound of Silence cover by Disturbed but never actually listened to it.
>mfw
>>66259111
holy shit lol
>>66259270
music theory is objective. there are textbooks written about it and you can study it at a university
>>66259325
>music theory is objective
>WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH TOP 40 THE GUIDE
I heard that 2 songs go join usual radio station rotation per week.
assuming 3 songs per album at average go to rotation and after some amount of math I will not post here because almost no one cares, you have 4000 mainstream albums since 1900
Now, imagine there is a bookstore with 6000000+ different books inside it.
Now imagine some 4000 random books from this store.
If you enter this store, will you check those books? Probably not, the ratio is 1499 books to 1.
Are those books special compared to all others? Probably not, also remember its a ratio of 1 random book to 1499 non random ones.
Imagine someone giving 1 random book to you and telling you to find something you like there, and then giving you 1499 telling you to find something good on this list, you will obviously find something good on the second case.
Now in this analogy, the 4000 books are mainstream music
The rest is underground music.
The amount of mainstream music is too limited, its so limited that is irrelevant, as some example if you spend alot of time talking about music and discovering it, you will still not discover some genres, like noise black metal, tonefield, dark jazz, doomcore, free funk or whatever and this is not a problem because you cant know every single thing ever and those genres you dont know are just few in world of many.
Not saying you cant listen to mainstream music, in the same way I am NOT saying to you to not care about dark jazz, tonefield, or doomcore, just saying they dont need special treatment
>>66259325
>music theory is somehow related to quality
>>66259392
>4000 mainstream albums since 1900
>albums
>1900
confirmed for retard
>>66259427
when a style of music recycles the same 3 musical ideas over and over ad infinitum, that says something about the quality of the music. most people don't even recognize that they're getting fed the same shit over and over again, but anyone who knows a little bit about theory are able to see that
>>66259441
Ok what is the name used for when you want to say everything, eps, albums, singles, maxi-singles.......
I use releases
>>66251749
11 at took a pill at Ibiza
>>66259481
>recorded music
>1900
>>66259473
t. 14-year-old guitarist who just learned about scales
>>66259473
kek you're retarded, literally all of Western tonal music is recycled ideas at this point
kys
>>66259532
okay ad hominem
>didnt know any of the 100
>mfw i dont give a fuck desu
>>66259504
>>66251565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gT0B6Cwsg
but this song is actually awesome tbqh
>>66259244
Its the best way to get a well rounded education.
you're not gonna learn dick about music unless you can analyse at least a bach chorale.
Trust me, all pop music is based on chord progressions. Bach's progressions are god tier and he's from 300 years ago. There's so much to learn, and a university/college education gives you the opportunity to learn it. As well as work with live performers which is vital if you want to actually do it yourself.
>>66259427
If you learn about it, you will understand. Until then you got nothing to base your opinion on beyond "theory sounds scary and I dont think its necessary, but I dont really know"
Music theory is like grammar, it's basically rules that people figured out retroactively. Like, when people were first figuring out how to communicate, they didn't sit down and iron out a bunch of rules, they just did it. That's why theory and grammar have so many weird exceptions and broken rules...it's not exactly science. If your autism requires a rigid set of rules that cannot be broken, look into math, just don't read any Godel or Cantor.
>This thread
If you dont know much about a given subject, you think you know everything. When in fact you're just ignorant. Once you start learning you realize how little you know.
>>66259767
lol you're a fucking moron
I know theory very well, I know a lot about musical construction, I understand exactly why Bach is a god for composing fugues with as many voices as he did, but I also understand that music theory does not and cannot say anything about the quality of a composition. It's about function, not aesthetics
By all means keep displaying your retardation though
>>66259794
No one follows the rules rigidly (unless they want to write a strict fugue or write a piece in an authentic renaissance style). But knowledge helps you succeed in a given art form. its more than just harmony and counterpoint. "Form" allows you to extend a short idea into an entire large scale piece, with a tightness of construction that an untrained person could never dream of attaining. "orchestration" allows you to know the possibilities and limitations of almost every instrument. Very important if you want to write for other people, or for orchestra or jazz band. Learning composition also allows you to think more self critically. To see where your pieces are succeeding and where they're failing. Being able to communicate in written score with performers opens up a whole world of possibilities, and means you can learn from the masters of the last 500+ years through score study.
A music education is something no one serious about music would turn down.
>>66259899
Theory helps you create quality pieces. Not much more to say. Feel free to continue insulting me though, if it makes you feel better.
>>66259931
None of this changes the fact that adherence to theory or lack thereof has exactly nothing to do with the quality of the music in question
Musicians who know and employ everything about theory can and do release shit music (anything you've written is almost certainly proof positive) while musicians who know nothing of theory can and do release good music. Music theory has literally nothing to do with the quality of a piece in exactly the same way that an engineer's designs for a skyscraper have literally nothing to do with the aesthetic qualities of the building that an architect comes up with
>>66259767
Bach did not have progressions, he was a master of counterpoint. Anything resembling tonal harmony was a byproduct of the rules of counterpoint.
Pop music DOES draw from the rules of functional harmony a lot but that was first written about in 1722. Bach was still around for 28 years after but he was stuck on counterpoint.
>TLDR If anyone uses "Bach" and "Chord progression" in the same sentence, they are wrong
>>66251749
Well I'm a college student so I have heard all these at parties dozens of times. I also work in a CD store which plays this stuff over the speakers. I've heard the majority of songs on here multiple times. With that in mind...
>>66252305
I disagree. A lot of the stuff here is literally made with a formula. Intro > verse > chorus > build & drop > chorus >Outro.
There's not a lot of variety in a drop; most drops on the top 100 are just a phat synth that increases in volume and/or pitch, followed by a wonky-style beat section. And whatever individuality the artist has, it's usually wiped clean in production. So much of this pop is polished to a shine that the vocals and drum patterns blend together.
Now, I don't want it to seem like I hate the stuff. I would never really listen to Panda at home in my free time, or anything by Future. There's not a lot of substance. But at a party when I'm drunk I appreciate the drop because it is always easy to predict no matter how fucked my reflexes are, and the breakdown that always follows is intentionally off kilter enough to catch my drunk footwork.
It's formulaic as shit and it's not really of much artistic value, but... some of it is like ok if ur fucked up.
>>66251668
catchy =/= good
>>66260087
Imagine being this wrong
>>66251749
is the love yourself bieber justin song the one where his mom likes everyone?
if yes then 21
otherwise 75
>>66260142
come on man just sharing my thoughts : DDD
>>66251749
I've most likely heard plenty of them, but I can't place a single one. I certainly recognize most of the artists.
you havent heard desiigner by panda?
it's shit.. but still
>>66255885
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
desiigner is tite
>>66251749
Holy fucking shit, have none of you guys gone to parties before?
>>66258623
panda is great tho
>>66260164
>is the love yourself bieber justin song the one where his mom likes everyone?
yes she likes everyone but she doesnt like you, but she likes everyone
>>66260340
I got broads in Atlanta
>>66251565
I just checked it. I've only heard 2 of the songs that are on there rn and I don't particularly like either of them.
>>66251974
(not true, by the way)
>>66251749
Lost at 23, Stressed Out from 21Pilots.
Radio at work spouts it all day, and it's played often during parties. It's shit, but some comfy kind of shit.
>>66251749
>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
lost at #1 :~)
>>66251565
if you don't know what it is, how do you know it's bad?
>>66260264
yeah, in the early 00's tho...
