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Opera edition.
Post your favorite operas, singers, conductors, arias, and talk about Wagner's anti-semitism.
>inb4 how do I into classical
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xth for Schubert
What's a good performance of Elektra?
>opera
>classical
fuck off with your pop crap
>>66215624
Your taste is shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPhsbNZdQc
I will never stop posting random avant-garde pieces with no context.
Aside from the requiem what are verdi's best works?
>>66217044
Otello, Falstaff
>>66217044
Rigoletto and Aida
I heard Il Trovatore is good but haven't given it a listen yet
Posted this last thread but it died.
What music sounds like Borodin's quartets? They manage to be incredibly beautiful through simplicity and movement. Basically, Chopin's pretty works are too slow and flourishy.
>>66217044
Sortof a meme, but la Traviata is great. Also listen to his string quartett if you want something a little unusual.
>>66217089
Il Trovatore is good, but its not at the same level as >>66217075. Listen if you're a fan, but its not required.
>>66217179
toscanini
what are some really intense operas
blow my mind with bombast and beauty pls
>>66217245
Strauss - Salome
Berg - Wozzeck
>>66217273
cheers, never listened to anything by strauss
berg is nice although i much prefer webern
>>66217197
The conductor?
>>66217245
bluebeards castle
elektra
lady macbeth of the mtsensk
>>66217245
don quixote
>>66217075
Where should I download these from. I've tried rutcracker but I'm not sure what ones to get. I want the recordings with just the music not the DVDs with all the acting
>>66217179
Listen to Anton Arensky, Piano quartetts, trios, and string quartetts are a good start. Also listen to Taneyev's Piano Quartets.
You might want to give Tchaikovskys String quartetts a try too.
>>66217245
Early Wagner is great IMO (Tannhäuser, Der Fliegende Holländer, Lohengrin) Tannhäuser is a personal favorite. Listen to the overture to get a good feel for the entire opera.
Also check out Verdi's Aida.
>>66217273
>Wozzeck
>bombast and beauty
>>66217245
Tristan und Isolde
Falstaff
>>66217327
I think Falstaff is in one of the mega links.
>>66217327
Pretty sure both of those are buried somewhere in OPs links
>>66217362
Wozzeck is intense tho
>>66214633
Bohm, Borkh
Solti, Nilsson
Sawallisch, Marton
>>66217395
Ya, but I don't think I'd call it bombastic or beautiful. Though it's certainly one of the best operas ever written, it sounds like he wants something different.
>>66217245
gotterdammerung is a romp from (almost) beginning to end, but it really needs the contextual background of the three other operas for it to be truly effective. but that's like a good 13 hours of investment on your part.
tristan und isolde is good too. you can't really go wrong with a lot of Wagner operas.
parsifal is probably his best work next to gotterdammerung but it's a bit harder to approach
>>66217362
>Tristan und Isolde
u tryin to bore'm to death hmm?
When was the last time the mega links had been updated
thanks friends, I'll bookmark this thread now
I second rigoletto btw, fucking awesome work from start to finish. I think I'll listen to that now actually
>>66217544
have you ever contributed anything?
>>66217579
is that possible?
>>66217598
if not then wtf are you complaining about? piss off
>>66217627
I'm not complaining, I was just asking. What your problem?
Avant garde, modernist, opera, dissonant monodrama about a serial killer. Surprisingly good.
http://avantgardeproject.conus.info/mirror/agp137/
you guys like any baroque operas? I was listening to handel's JCIE last night and it featured some of the most beautiful singing I've ever heard.
>>66217708
There's definitely some beautiful stuff in baroque opera but it does tend to all blur into one.
>>66217708
too much fucking recitatives
reckon you haven't heard much then hahahaha
>>66217851
yea I know exactly what you mean. the singing makes up for it tho I feel
>>66217880
what's the matter, baby doesn't have an attention span?
>>66217931
i came for music and singing, not talking while a skeleton dances on a harpsichord
>>66217708
Fuck what's that one opera about a swamp woman that gets memed by Zeus
Opera plots are so ridiculous
https://youtu.be/wpAxBZSXW28
>>66217970
opium is a hell of a drug
opera plots revolving around mythology are cool though, like lohengrin's
>>66218093
Salvatore Sciarrino's version of Lohengrin about a woman in a mental institution is pretty wild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-X5FPyBg5w
>>66218093
Who was that composer who would just smoke opium all day and write?
>>66217970
I remember now, It's Rameau's Platée
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UJOA2zCetU
Enjoy this scene. Zeus dresses up as a cloud and then a donkey and then an owl.
>>66218196
berlioz
>>66218178
damn idt I've heard anything like this, this is like Penderecki
>>66218196
barely oh's
he's got some pretty sick symphonies
>>66218215
now that's just hilarious. I'd love to see an opera performance one day
>>66213795
how do I out of classical?
I need to know.
what composers are exit level?
1st for Spohr, best composer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVHkkadRTKY
>>66218468
mozart
he's so stale he'll make you never want to listen to classical again
>>66218468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAzhzEjkdcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3eN4xwADTI
Be sure to listen to all, no breaks
>>66218468
you dont.
>>66218468
Step 1: agree with everything that Boulez said
Step 2: realize that you don't actually like Boulez
Step 3: off urself because no music is pleasurable anymore
>>66218524
soporific
>>66218573
>>66218560
*tips fedora*
>>66218591
Obviously you cannot recognize true beauty.
>>66217708
Monteverdi is GOAT
>>66218542
Go to bed womeme poster
orfeo and carmen are some gud shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ewwxOSScw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmuFOuh3QHs
>>66220131
>and carmen
>>66220131
>orfeo
>posting Cuck instead of Monteverdi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcRFFmgVGlc
/classical/ still exists? fuck, bump
Name a better meme recording of an opera.
pity bump
>>66218468
>>66222658
hard to say. that's one with a perfect conductor and perfect signers for the material.
i have a 1952 Gotterdammerung from Keilberth which has the perfect singing, but not a perfect conductor (good, though).
other than that, there's the usual suspects that people like SDF like to throw around like Kleiber's Le Nozze, Kegel's Moses und Aron, etc...
>>66217327
http://meetinginmusic.blogspot.com/2016/01/opera-favourites-3-il-cigno-di-busseto.html
>>66222658
>>66224272
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=Fuck+off+poly
>>66220363
haha, i do like both :)
>>66224272
terrible kike pervert non-music tier
>>66224272
>stockhausen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkdPkrCXMNA
>>66227840
Gould may have been too eccentric but man he was funny
>>66218542
Only teenagers and college students think this because they wannabe hipster. You'll start to like mozart again when you hit middle age. I've seen it happen to dozens of people.
>>66227840
what a madman
>>66226243
what else do you expect from exit level?
Its the last stop on the train, afterwards you can either go back or jump off and return to your normal life
>>66220363
Gluck blows Monteverdi out of the water.
>>66229026
I wouldn't be so sure about that since even Handel's cook blows Gluck out of the water.
Why is he considered important when his music is shit, even among his contemporaries?
>>66229075
Its not even a fair comparison. Monteverdi is a baroque composer. He essentially started the idea of opera, but classical composers like Gluck and Mozart mastered it.
>>66229132
>but classical composers like Gluck and Mozart mastered it.
That sentence is only half correct.
>>66229132
>implying L'incoronazione di Poppea and L'orfeo aren't still some of the best operas ever penned
>>66229828
*Favola in musica
opera doesn't usually have a ritornello. They're baroque proto-operas
>>66230059
>splitting hairs
Nobody before Mozart wrote proper operas then since they're just a compilation of recitatives and da capo arias without any connection between movements.
>>66231871
>Mozart was the only guy who ever wrote opera
when will this meme end?
Jacopo Peri is looking pretty underrated right about now. The first guy to write proper opera. The whole baroque opera period preceded Mozart. Vivaldi, Scarlatti and Handel all built on what Monteverdi had started.
Gluck then reformed opera in the classical period, and Mozart, Weber and Wagner were all heavily influenced by him.
>>66232207
>L'Orfeo is a proto-Opera
>Peri's Dafne is somehow a proper opera
2/10 for effort. There's no question that Monteverdi's music was (and is) more well known: Monteverdi's music embraces a far wider affective vocabulary than Peri's. Recitative is interspersed much more liberally with song and dance. Orfeo also places much greater emphasis on formal elements: strophes, refrains and larger symmetrical structures, extending to entire acts and even the opera as a whole, create a sense of musical coherence and shape missing in the earlier score. And the famously elaborate orchestra, with its paired violins, harps and other instruments and rich continuo – more akin to that of the Florentine intermedithan Peri's opera – plays a crucial role in creating musical variety. So in retrospect Peri's music is rated just right, i.e. under the shadow of Monteverdi.
>>66217687
I assumed this was Dreigroschenoper before opening it.
>In an interview in 2010 Boulez said that he had finished Notation V in short score and was now working on Notation VIII.[115] He was in the process of developing Anthèmes 2 into a large-scale work for violin and orchestra for Anne-Sophie Mutter[116] and spoke of writing an opera based on Beckett's Waiting For Godot.
>tfw Boulez opera
When getting into Opera, should I watch them first or just listen to them?
>>66229121
>Contrappunto dialettico alla mente is shit
nice try
>>66232874
Watching them often helps understanding but isn't really necessary.
>>66228864
>because they wannabe hipster
yeah, or maybe the so called "perfection" present in his music isn't as interesting to listen to as you've been lead to believe
but that would be absurd, of course
His homophonic music is even more turgid and pointless than his contrapuntal music?
How is this even possible?
