/mu/ thoughts on The Smiths?
Will's cool, the others less so
I've listened to three albums by them and I literally could not tell a single thing about any of them.
Excellent
I liked them way more when I was a teenager and depressed virgin though
They suck.
>>66198374
Best band of the 80's
OBJECTIVE ALBUM RANKING
hatful of hollow=queen is dead>strangeways=meat is murder>s/t
Love them prefer Morrissey Solo though, but i did prefer The Smiths when i was a teenager though.
>>66198515
Fair
>>66198515
>Compilation
>Album
we need a morrissy like figure in pop now more than ever
>>66198648
>Implying there will ever be a Morrissey like figure in music again.
Best pop band ever
Arty pretentious crap
The Cure is better.
>>66198967
Joy Division beats them both
i mean every song is the same
its like they r trying to write the same song over and over again
but that song is awesome
and i love that song
>>66199019
Agree that's why i prefer Morrissey's solo stuff more it's not all the same.
>>66198989
I love both but i have to agree with you.
>>66199019
This is how I feel about punk
>tfw we've been having a lot of smiths threads lately
I like their songwriting. I could get over the 80s production. But I absolutely can't stand Morrissey's voice. I've tried over and over, but I just can't do it.
>>66199151
Morrissey's vocal performance were at their worst during The Smiths they certainly got better in his solo career
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbv8JR8x0s&ab_channel=TheAmbitiousOutsider
>>66198374
probably the reason i chose to be gay
their music is great too
There is a Light That Never Goes Out always gives me feels at the worst times
I can live without these feels
But they keep coming
>>66199251
kek
My personal favorite band
Morrissey's autobiography is fucking hilarious
>>66199019
this x10
>>66199045
i posted what u replied to and i agree
Not better than The Greys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWzXaGjRXM
>>66199315
How so
>>66198515
objectively wrong
S/T > Strangeway = Meat > TQID
>>66199363
The fact that he had it published in Penguin's Classics and the cover is just his smug face
>>66199363
This is the opening lines in the book
"Naturally my birth almost kills my mother, for my head is too big, but soon it is I, and not my mother, on the critical list at Salford's Pendlebury Hospital ... Once I am discharged from hospital, my sister Jackie, older by two years, is interrupted four times as she attempts to kill me, whether this be rivalry or visionary no one knows."
>>66198629
>rockism
>>66199363
>>66199453
More funny lines
"The Smiths fallout continues in Denver, where someone has held an entire radio station at gunpoint until DJs make the promise to play Smiths music. Unwittingly, this gunman is providing the very first active radio promotion on behalf of the Smiths, and evidently a loaded gun is what it takes to get a Smiths song on the airwaves."
>>66199516
Lol
>>66198515
>s/t last
>objectively wrong on that part
>the rest is acceptable
personally, s/t is my second favourite album
>>66198807
>Implying that's a bad thing
>>66199516
>>66199453
You forgot the best one
"The school looms tall and merciless in central Hulme, as the last of the old order, a giant black shadow of ancient morality since 1842, invoking deliberate apprehension into every wide eyed small face that cautiously holds back the tears as he or she is left at its steps - into long echoing halls of whitewashed walls, of carbolic and plimsoll and crayon blazing through the senses, demanding that all cheerful thought must now die away."
More
"All human activity is fruitless when pitted against the girls and boys singing on pop television, for they have found the answer as the rest of us search for the question. I will sing, too. If not, I will have to die."
I love how melodramatic he is.
"When my old friend Simon Topping [the frontman of Manchester band A Certain Ratio] appeared on the cover of the NME, I died a thousand deaths of sorrow and lay down in the woods to die."
>>66199711
>>66199675
>>66199634
The first three quarters of the book are fantastic. It completely falls on its ass in the last.
On being disliked:
"Whenever I'd overhear how people found me to be 'a bit much' (which is the gentle way of saying the word 'unbearable'), I understood why. To myself I would say: Well, yes of course I'm a bit much — if I weren't, I would not be lit up by so many lights."
>>66199055
Need to listen to more than 1 band
horrible and needless band
The only songs I've heard from them are There is a Light That Never Goes Out and How Soon Is Now. Is there any use in checking out their albums or have I already experienced peak Smiths?
>>66201090
I never understood when people called bands needless, unnecessary, etc. Like what determines a band as needed/necessary?
>>66201128
they don't contribute anything
>>66201100
If you like those 2 songs, listen to Hatful of Hollow
>>66198446
same
tumblrina band
Great band. Never goes stale
Strangeways=Queenisdead > meat > s/t
>>66199437
>the cover is just his smug face
morrissey rivals stephen malkmus for the title of "smuggest man in indie rock".
How Soon Is Now is the only song I like by them
Hey guys big time The Smiths posting trip here.
Weebteam decided that the official /mu/ Smiths pwer ranking is TQID > Strangeways > S/T > MIM
HOWEVER
It should be noted that while weebteam recognizes that TQID is the superior album, weebteam has also declared Strangeways their favorite album. Weebteam also decided after much debate that Hatful of Hallows doesn't deserve placement in the rankings. If it did it would fall between TQID and Strageways.
Thanks for all the replies though. This has been a nice little Smiths thread, and we enjoy seeing the Moz love being spread around. Please continue on with your comfy discussion with your newly accepted official Smiths power ranking in mind.
>>66203397
oh shit is the weebteam revival finally happening??
>>66203420
Yes, weebteam is making a comeback for sure. Starting with the rym threads, we will be reacquainting anons to our influence across the board. Glad you're on the right side of the revival, anon.
>>66199019
Hell no
I mean, how does a song like A Rush And A Push And The Land is Ours to There Is A Light That Never Goes Out, or Meat Is Murder to Nowhere Fast?
>>66198374
Absolutely adored them when I was a teenager, I still like them but don't listen to them frequently.
>>66198989
Beyond true.
Either way he is a lying pretentious prick.
>>66198374
THEY SUCK
/THREAD
>>66198374
morrissey ruined it, would have been great as an instrumental band. also s/t is best
>>66204249
I take it your favorite song is The Draize Train?
>>66198374
Personally, I think The Smiths were an English rock band formed in Manchester in 1982. The band consisted of vocalist Morrissey, guitarist Johnny Marr, bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce. Critics have called them the most important alternative rock band to emerge from the British independent music scene of the 1980s.[1] Q magazine's Simon Goddard argued in 2007 that The Smiths were "the one truly vital voice of the '80s", "the most influential British guitar group of the decade" and the "first indie outsiders to achieve mainstream success on their own terms".[2] The NME named the Smiths the "most influential artist ever" in a 2002 poll.[3]
But that's just my opinion.
>>66198648
>A pretentious closet queer hellbent on insulting better acts
Nah, we're good.
>>66201164
They contributed to making me losey virginity with a 8/10 smiths fangirl now fuck the shit off
>>66199468
Rockists ought to love compilation albums though, they don't have any good full-length albums.
>>66204796
Yeah, the Smiths are for pussies who don't know almost anything about music
ON THE DAY THAT YOUR MENTALITYYY
Morrissey solo is better in my opinion not as repetitive and angsty teenager as most of The Smiths stuff.
I think every Morrissey/Smith fan should watch this documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e32cF6vIMuc&ab_channel=just,Morrissey&TheSmiths
>>66204727
While I agree, I would also add that The Smiths have been widely influential. Ian Youngs of BBC News has described them as "the band that inspired deeper devotion than any British group since The Beatles".[119] Marr's guitar playing "was a huge building block for more Manchester legends that followed The Smiths", including The Stone Roses, whose guitarist John Squire has said Marr was an influence.[120] Oasis guitarist Noel Gallagher also cites The Smiths as an influence, especially Marr. Gallagher has said that "When The Jam split, The Smiths started, and I totally went for them."[121] Singer Davey Havok of the band AFI cites The Smiths as an influence.[122]
>>66204249
agreed
Morrissey's voice is awful
>>66203539
you are just too stupid to understand what i am saying
>>66198515
We all know it's
Queen Is Dead > The Smiths > Strangeways Here We Come > Meat Is Murder
>>66199410
Holy fuck this is a smelly opinion. Get rid of that shit taste quick anon!
>>66205861
I've seen it's pretty much the only Morrissey/Smith documentary worth watching.
Probably my favorite band of all time.
Morrissey is very charming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIr3YWI7WJw
>>66207641
he's somehow charming and awkward at the same time
They've become very trendy now. My dad grew up in the 80's and liked The Smiths then so he is objectively better than all of you.
Funny story, my great grandparents heard my dad listening to The Smiths when he was a teenager and called my grandfather (dad's dad) because they were concerned about him because of how depressing the lyrics are.
>>66207641
You could say he's a charming man.
I think very few young men can say they haven't felt like a Smiths lyric at one point, even if they've never listened to them.
>>66207951
>mfw this charming man was written about future creepy italian kiddiefiddler morrissey
>>66207682
>>66207951
Yeah charming and awkward is Morrissey's default personality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDI4PIq8_s&ab_channel=Benedetta84
>>66199019
jajajaaja
>>66199516
nice, i want to read it
>>66201100
>That Never Goes Out
how soon is now has a different aproach compared with the rest of the smiths songs
>>66207900
Well i've a fan of The Smiths since the 90's, i've even grown to prefer Morrissey's solo stuff.Also i nearly broke my arm catching one of his shirts.
>>66208287
>i've even grown to prefer Morrissey's solo stuff.
the mark of a true patrician
>>66208216
If you read try to find the U.K or special edition version because the standard U.S edition edits out Morrissey's gay relationship.
>>66208438
His solo music videos are also amazing.
>>66204736
>who is Will Toledo
Still the best Smiths song N/A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idM2F62BbaA&ab_channel=smithsfan1990
>>66198374
listened to meat is murder yesterday. it was awesome!
>>66209004
did you go vegetarian
>>66208287
you could sell that on ebay for a lot of money im sure. i have a signed johnny marr lp, i think if he dies it will be worth a lot more. though ill probably keep it
>>66209004
Meat is Murder is amazing probably my second favorite Smith album.
>>66209079
Probably but i've had it for 9 years so i'll definitely never sell it.
>>66208287
Also footage from the night of the concert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqoJMWU2d24&list=PLdlKjfbzZGdmLYDg0YKIkRNvP1rllf2PK&index=5&ab_channel=SDHigbie
>>66209004
I would recommend listening to Strangeways,Here We Come next.
>>66198434
This
None of their songs are bad, but none of them really stick out like most songs do
>>66209730
Agree none of The Smiths songs are bad but very few a amazing, it's one of the reasons i prefer Morrissey's solo stuff.
>>66209869
I pretty much love everything the smiths have put out, but never listened to any morrissey really. What albums/ tunes do you recommend?
also best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=700I5J_305I
>>66199278
>And in the darkened underpass, I thought "Oh god! My chance has come at last!"
>But then a strange fear gripped me and I just couldn't ask...
>>66209926
this song is one of the best examples why johnny marr is simply the god of clean guitar playing. even more if you play guitar yourself and realize that he is thinking on a completely different dimension. nobody else could come up with this.
i personally listened to everything that both the smiths and morrissey put out and in my opinion morrisseys solo stuff is horribly inconsistent and repetitive.
>>66198446
>>66198581
Who do you like now, Young Thing you stupid fucking wiggers
>>66209926
First of The Gang To Die
Everyday is Like Sunday
Suede head
Speedway
Yes I Am Blind
Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself
also try listening to the album Bona Drag it's pretty much a Smith album without Johnny Marr (It has The bassist, drummer, rhythm guitarist and the producer)
>>66210016
>Repetitive
>Morrissey solo
>>66210016
Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
>Is a song about Morrissey wishes somebody would love him
Unloveable
>Is a song about nobody love Morrissey nobody ever will
Never Had No One Ever
>Is a song about no one ever loving Morrissey
I Want The One I Can't Have
>Is a song about Morrissey wanting the one he can't have
I Know it's Over
>Is a song is about someone who has never loved and never been in a relationship. He feels the soil falling over his head because he might as well be dead with a loveless existence stretching out before him
>>66210016
>>66210786
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby
>Is a song about the head of the record company
Frankly Mr Shankly
>Is a song about the head of the record company
Paint A Vulgar Picture
>Is a song about the head of the record company
>>66210016
>>66210786
>>66210952
Sheila Take A Bow
>Is a song about going out to meet the one you love
How Soon Is Now
>Is a song about going out to meet the one you love
Shakespeare's Sister
>Is a song about going out to meet the one you love
>>66209018
made me question my meat eating self. but no.
>>66211470
Did you listen to the superior version version of Meat is Murder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0C-pjBAzVQ&ab_channel=HeadfulOfHollow
>>66199956
Sorta like Morrissey's career :^)
>>66211905
I'm curious have you heard the deluxe edition of WPINOYB?
>>66212233
He never said it was his last UK show, he said it was most likely his last.
>>66212233
well he will probably cancel it or walk off stage because someone didn't clap enough.
>>66209615
finished listening to it. it's good, but it's no meat is murder desu senpai
>>66212458
strangeways is shit
>>66211559
dis is gud shit
>>66212458
The Queen is Dead is the next album you should listen to than.
I only like the two popular singles by them: Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now, and There is a Light that Never Goes Out.
All I see otherwise is a poor man's Joy Division/New Order, with a pompous awful sounding lead singer with bad opinions and major attention seeking tendencies.
>>66212650
>a poor man's Joy Division/New Order
they are nothing alike, other than that they hail from the same place
>>66199151
>>66199200
I thought the weird vocals were intentional desu. Morrisey and his Gay Voice.
>>66212737
No Morrissey's vocals just weren't that good during The Smiths,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUfOuAjDzc&ab_channel=Atr0paBelladonna
>>66212783
you realize he sings worse now? this was heavily edited, while back then he had a pretty good range.
eh, not worth diving into
>>66212864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x82SIRSY0nE&ab_channel=dwy07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPPgx2_y73M&ab_channel=smithsfan1990
The Smiths were an English rock band formed in Manchester in 1982. The band consisted of vocalist Morrissey, guitarist Johnny Marr, bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce. Critics have called them the most important alternative rock band to emerge from the British independent music scene of the 1980s.
>>66212783
He sang much better Smiths era. Watch any recent live video and you'll see him constantly struggle to control his pitch.
>>66213517
He's 57 he has cancer and performs on average 21 songs a night obviously his vocals aren't gonna sound good as live as when he was 25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVQtUqq2Zf4&ab_channel=Piwi
>>66213703
Did I say that he sings worse because he's lazy or something?
The Smiths make the best music of all time to masturbate to pictures of you and your ex-girlfriend.
Prove me wrong.
>>66213753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4UatXZNLQ&ab_channel=vicarinatutugal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_LfYGEYtW8&ab_channel=MrSmithsDisco
Everyone should watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7cU-DDy1F4&ab_channel=TheChrisGethardShow
>>66214870
i'm only 2 minutes in and this caught my attention - they're talking about the frankly mr shankly demo with horns. i just listened to it and it was weird, not bad though. was there some sort of demos release from the smiths at some point that i don't know about? is it on any release?
>>66215062
http://www.smithstorrents.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3135
>>66198515
S/T > TQID > SHWC > MIM
>>66215062
Also a bunch of Morrissey/Smiths demos leaked a few months ago, one of the highlights is Never Had No One Ever with New Orleans styled jazz trumpets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8uDqvXYxoY&ab_channel=just,Morrissey&TheSmiths
Another gem is the 'Bigmouth Strikes Again' demo, i imagine this version would've been the album version but Mike dropped his drum stick at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRFq7sbo8nE&ab_channel=just,Morrissey&TheSmiths
>>66215743
this isn't much better but it's definitely a lot more unique and interesting. they should have went with this cut for the album, because the version of never had no one ever that they went with is easily the weakest song on the album.
>>66199410
patrician
Fun fact this is the only song Morrissey wrote about Johnny Marr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtZ4VIstIWg&ab_channel=TheAmbitiousOutsider
Morrissey is so sexy.
Morrissey is a fucking tosser
>>66217905
>>66218222
Not sure what to make of this desu
>>66217905
go to bed stephen
you were handsome in the mid 80s but after the smiths disbanded it went downhill fast
>>66213791
AGREE!!! just change girlfriend with boyfriend.
Don't know if this has been posted yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUOReQWsRYU&ab_channel=TheChrisGethardShow
BUMP!!!!
>>66213791
>>66220932
also agree, just change girlfriend or boyfriend with girl you pretty much stalked for a couple of years in high school
>>66223060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nAMFWDuDEI&ab_channel=poorgirrrl
The thing you MUST understand about The Smiths unless you are incorrigibly dull is that they are one of the very, very few pop acts which actively attempts to be very, very funny. Any time you hear Morrissey sounding like a depressive wanker you can be sure it's tongue-in-cheek, in only for the absurd lyrics. He knows he sounds ridiculous, but does it anyway, because...funny. Ergo, they deserve endless applause.
Why is pop music so fucking serious and stupid? How rare it is to have a really smart, funny, awesome pop group? Really fucking rare. You have Devo, and you have the Talking Heads (maybe), and you definitely have The Smiths. Insert a few more. Most are just so scared of "not being taken seriously" that they avoid any hint of humor -- as if it's possible to take a pop music group seriously.
Only the most stupid people think that Morrissey is doing anything other than a rather delicious send-up of "the normal rock god" cliche. C'mon people.
"Make a shy, bald, Buddhist reflect
And plan a mass murder"
No, he's not serious. And the amazingly bright, poppy, jangly, happy guitar is just the perfect compliment to the absurd lyrics. Sit back and laugh. Have fucking fun fuck it all!
>>66223672
>>66223672
Staircase At The University is an absolutely hilarious song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AefW7uCP9w&ab_channel=DominicFoxx
>>66223672
I'd say it's a mixture things.
Last one.
i get a fuckin boner every time the guitar solo comes on in nowhere fast
they should have leaned away from the indie pop/jangle pop and done more indie rock/post punkier stuff.
>>66225352
i got one too
Morrissey and Marr were the best songwriting partnership of the 80's
>>66225425
and also the best "partnership" in general
i ship it
>>66213753
yes
>>66203546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf6gJU3520
>>66225425
But Strangeways is the best.
>>66225973
God damn it, this gets me.
Fuck, this album is incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHT4AFfZB24&list=PL6MOZ2QZlx6NtbkicXygeqD_ErpDnPVFo
>>66225444
>tfw i know its over is about johnny
