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Jazzgrind edition
No slams allowed
old: >>66086832
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>>66099355
The reason for all this shitposting is that you can't really put metal into words, it's too ethereal especially thrash and atmo black
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>>66099355
What's some good Jazzgrind that's not related to John Zorn
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>>66099445
Psudoku
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black metal sucks
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>>66099445
Blast Muzungu
Cause for Effect
Virulence
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>>66099530
>Blast Muzungu

Literally only a 0% FLAC on WCD, not worth it imo
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>people thinking Fas is better than SMRC
why are people so wrong?
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>>66099706
dankspell memega is shit
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>>66099706
Depends what you like really.
I'd say Fas is way better at having an atmosphere and being spoopy. SMRC is just better in terms of the riffs and catching moments.
I think I prefer SMRC just because I prefer the metal parts of it, shit like the opening of Jubilate Deo is too good to miss.
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>>66099706
because SMRC is too long and boring
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>>66099768
>Fas is way better at having an atmosphere and being spoopy. SMRC is just better in terms of the riffs and catching moments
I think you've switched albums there senpai
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This is good, I like this.
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>>66099355
What's that jazzgrind album with the venus flytrap plant called guys?
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what's the name of that album that start with 10 seconds of gentle music, then goes into full drone/doom/experimental/whatever screaming?
the cover looks like a painting, and i think the band's name is the name of some guy.
it gets posted a lot, and i've listened to it a bunch of times, but can't find it now.
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>>66099914
Courtesy and Good Will Toward Men?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZFsRfi4IAM
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>>66099867
This?
https://youtu.be/Bt2ELG55H_M
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Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the Italian metal scene? Posting a bit of stuff to contribute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsnTuFLoOrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW79N_7Otyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Lb-1PE5SY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL5Y9nqGpdU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEsOe7dRSEM
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>>66099943
that's the one. thanks dude.
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>>66099964
Yep, thank you
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>>66099982
>Forgotten Tomb when they weren't horribly shit
Those were the days.
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>>66100016
np senpai, i've been listening to harvey milk a ton recently, the first two albums are flawless
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>>66100135
I know, that's the only album of theirs (his, at that point in time) I can stand
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>>66100188
Do you not like Springtime Depression either? It tends to be pretty similar.
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>>66099982
Mortuary Drape is classic
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Anybody have anything similiar to Svolder and Grand Belial's Key? I'm addicted to those riffs, but I've heard all their material tons of times, I need something new.
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>>66099982
the BMIA were cool when they were still active. Absentia Lunae never gets mentioned anymore (rip climaxia) but they're the best martial sounding bm I've come across
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>>66100535
>rip climaxia
???
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Only Pain is fucking good song.

Lyrics speak of trying to improve at something so hard you forget what price you had to pay on the way through. And the realization when you failed anyway while losing everything you had before.

2 deep 5 me
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>>66100976
no
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Tell us about yourself:
Still not loud enough; Still not fast enough. Always ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I mainly listen to what most people call Grindcore, Powerviolence, Death/Thrash/Black Metal and Sludgecore. I also like Industrial, Ambient, Aggrotech, Harsh Noise, Jazz, Classical Music and many other genres that owe their arbitrary labels to the human impulse to categorize everything as an excuse to fight over personal taste.
Obviously, I'm also a shirt and patch collector looking for interesting trades and new stuff:
PATCHES:
Slayer – Undisputed Attitude
Infest – anything, printed, woven or embroidered
Extortion – logo, Woven or embroidered
ACxDC – logo, woven or embroidered
The Kill – anything
Unrest – anything
Rotten Sound – woven or embroidered
Knuckle Scraper – anything
Parlamentarisk Sodomi – every-fuckin'-thing
Mongo Ninja – anything
SHIRTS:
Slayer – Undisputed Attitude (there are several official designs)
Infest – anything
The Kill – anything
Knuckle Scraper – anything
Parlamentarisk Sodomi – every-fuckin'-thing
Mongo Ninja – Mongo Ninja Logo Shirt
Do you goto any festivals or shows?:
Since I'm not the most sociable type of guy, I prefer shows. Of all the dozens over dozens of bands I've seen live so far Bolt Thrower, Severe Torture, Pyscroptic, Krisiun, Hatesphere, Nile, Rotten Sound and Japanische Kampfhörspiele were the best, in my opinion.
Apart from dozens of other shows I recently went to the following:
Violator; Nuclear Devastation; Hydrophobic; Revolt:
2016-04-22, Bambi Galore, Hamburg
Rotten Sound; Abigail Williams; Cult Leader:
2016-05-04, Cassiopeia, Berlin
Municipal Waste, Reactory, Tracer:
2016-06-25, Bi Nuu, Berlin
Favourite album ?:
Currently: Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats – Blood Lust; Deathspell Omega – Si monvmentvm reqvires, circvmspice
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>>66101279
what does this post mean?
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>>66101279
what did he mean by this?
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>>66101109
yes
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>>66101279
If I could I'd upvote this
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>>66101279
laid back behemoth
heavy, heavier, heaviest
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Is there an essential powerviolence list anywhere?
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>>66101377
yes
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How people can take Grindcore seriously is beyond me.
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>>66101506
BUT WHY?
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>>66101377
not metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1onyz-ky0co
this is probably the best grindcore I've ever heard
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What's some good chugga chugga riffs?
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>>66101527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1nGplcVZTQ
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>>66101391
>>66101525
what a great general
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>>66101565
powerviolence is a subgenre of hardcore. The term was pretty much coined by people who wanted to distance themselves from grindcore because it was heavily influenced by metal and thus wasn't punk enough.
Powerviolence does not belong in /metal/
Is this reply satisfactory?
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>>66101565
Maybe you should try not being a dummy dumb dumb and look at the damn wiki

But I'll spoonfeed you big baby, baby needs his powervoilence doesn't he?

http://4chanmusic.wikia.com/wiki/File:1359402963910.jpg
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>album is more than 20 minutes long
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>>66101607
thanks mom
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>>66099811
>Fas
>catchy

''no''. It's a great album but it is in no way catchy. SMRC is definitely the catchy one there.
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>>66101694
care to give any examples of what you find catchy about SMRC?
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>>66101279
is that a joke ?
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>>66101279
STILL NOT LOUD ENOUGH
STILL NOT FAST ENOUGH
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metal for dog hangovers? Preferably something similar to Nails.
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A is for Altars of Madness (1989)
B is for Blessed Are the Sick (1991)
C is for Covenant (1993)
D is for Domination (1995)
E is for Entangled in Chaos (1996) live album
F is for Formulas Fatal to the Flesh (1998)
G is for Gateways to Annihilation (2000)
H is for Heretic (2003)
I is for Illud Divinum Insanus (2011)
J is for Juvenilia (2015) live album

Autistic Otaku Angel
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>tfw I'm the only one who listens to Graveland here
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>there will never be slams as good as jenovavirus

why even live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdc0ssOvs9I
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>>66101822
trey-lor moon would have been better damn
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>>66101836
>weeb atmoslam
>good
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>>66101769
It's not, sadly.
>>66101826
Graveland is one of my favorite bands, so no.
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>>66101819
Nails
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>>66101874
Solid recommendation, thanks senpai
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>>66101867
>weeb atmoslam
>not good
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>>66101279
I can't stand when people I don't like like thing I like
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This is great.

Why'd they lose the plot?
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>>66102124
At least he has decent taste in music
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>>66101279
my Tinder bio desu
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>>66102144
THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM
this autistic motherfucker likes bands that I like
I don't want to be connected to this guy in any way
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>this fucking cgi
it slams tho
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>>66102233
is it gud? I know there are dudes from Cliteater and Teethgrinder in it, so im intrigued.
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>>66102233
also >dat fucking far cry 2 cover art
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>>66102337
yeah, defintely. It's fairly straightforward slam but the riffs are better than most
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SxT8GaiYDc

brits confirmed for being the most br00tal
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>>66102411
this band is absolute xD garbage
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>>66101749
Long, repetitive songs with clear and somewhat predictable structures. As opposed to the long but ambient and unpredictable songs of Fas.
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>>66102380
Will check out. They play OEF this year, wanted to check them out, but they play so early in the afternoon that I will miss em. Shame.
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>>66102439
i rather like their new song desu senpai
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>>66102457
>Long, repetitive songs with clear and somewhat predictable structures.
i'm sorry if that's what you consider catchy
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Isn't even that bad, lads.
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>>66102599
it's not bad just bland
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>>66102599
uninteresting
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>>66102457
you have to love atmoshit
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>>66102141
images and words is better in every respect
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>>66102599
it's not bad its just not metal
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>>66102663
>>66102698
Agreed.
>>66102854
Not agreed.
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Is there a good early Death Metal documentary?
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if you like music i don't like then i will kill you
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>>66102959
what do you like?
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What was that one metal song that went run dun dun dun run dun dun dun run dun dun dun run dun dun dun eh reh eh reh dun dun dun dun?
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I might go to this
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>>66103033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhpOQsYMFIM
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>>66103033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmGFYK8u-r0
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>>66103033
RIDDLY DIDDLY DIDDLY DIDDLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y
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Give me some good metal documentaries lads,
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>>66103042
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>>66103042
>>66103126
>it's a worthless tripfag episode
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>>66103042
>get some gauge piercings, thick rimmed glasses and maybe a beanie
>choose style over substance
>be a huge faggot

there, you don't have to go
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>>66103143
already geared up senpai
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>>66103090
this band is so damn cringeworthy
they're obviously pretty good singers but them they decided that doing this shit was the best way to use their skills
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none so ded
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>>66103178
I know the owner of this dog lmao
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>>66103659
you know my master? Neat.
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Post your week, rec/rate.
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i didnt listen to anything new
>>66103683
+ Possessed, Bolt Thrower, Morbid Angel, Kreator, best Death
- Rammstein
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>>66103683
i like most of this except rammstein
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>>66103712
+ Nails
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I knew I was gonna get shit for Rammstein lmao
>>66103712
+Sodom, Morbid Angel
>>66103721
++++Havohej, Incantation
+Armagedda, Joy Division, Entombed, Black Sabbath
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>>66103721
+ Incantation, Entombed, my fav Black Sabbath
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Last.fm is for fags
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>death metal band uses bass drops
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>>66103905
yis
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What do you guys think?
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>>66103121
You like UK Black Metal at all?
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>OSDM
>OSPM
>OSTM
>OSHM
>OSBM
Only good parts of metal to be honest
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>>66103938
Yes, shit like nngnn and White Medal
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still the best USPM song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfBrmhAxDjY
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>>66103683
pretty much all classics, i see
check out more classics, mate

>>66103712
++Brutal Truth, Sodom, Katalepsy
+Morbid Angel
~Nails

check out Soilent Green

>>66103721
++Bach
+Julia Holter, Black Sabbath
~MBV
-Entombed

what's that jap album in the bottom left corner about?
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>>66103937
All the good albums are among "other favorites" and even there it's 90% shit.

You have to go back.
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>>66103761
>++++Havohej
what did he mean by this?
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What's some essential Slaughter of the Soul/Gojira-core?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYWC9ezebw
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>>66103974
top tier music taste good job
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>>66103974
newbreedofcultured/10
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>>66103974
>what's that jap album in the bottom left corner about?

That's Gauze, lad. they're one of the most well known j-hardcore groups and they're recognized by a lot of hardcorefags around the world as one of the best oldschool hardcore bands out there
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>>66103683
++ Nocturnus, Grand Belial's Key
+ Bolt Thrower, Vasaeleth, Death, Teitanblood

>>66103712
+Nails, Katalepsy

>>66103721
++Incantation
+Entombed, Mitochondrian
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What does /metal/ think of Peste Noire?
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>>66103974
japanese hardcore
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>>66104025
>it's another newfag hipster comes here to make sure he can get metal cred by listening to p4kcore

They are great.
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>>66103960
https://youtu.be/mjCF9P25Go0

You might enjoy this then.
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>>66104013
what does that mean
is this some crossposter meme i'm unaware of
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>>66104040
been one of my most played bands since la sanie came out, come at me
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what did he mean by this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051tj2ImFKQ
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>>66104025
Don't like them. Too much nationalist stuff for me. Although I'm French.
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the new Brain Drill album is released today, y'all
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>>66104058
>been one of my most played bands since la sanie came out, come at me
Nah, I like Peste Noire too much to bully fellow listeners
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What are some releases of this year that play in the same league as Vector's?
/---NOT-MEMEING----/
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>>66103974
I always wanted to get into Soilent Green, but its just not my jam. I listened to Sewn Mouth Secrets and A Deleted Symphony For The Beaten Down like 10 times and I can remember a single moment of it. I dont dislike the band, but its just not my thing.

aslo + Nasum, Repulsion, Cattle Decap, Katalepsy, (unironically) Death Grips
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>>66104113
*cant remember
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>>66104112
>What are some releases of this year that play in the same league as Vector's?
Try the new Aborted album, it's shit too.
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>>66104092
Ayy. I can avoid it like the plague. Didnt think any tech death worse than First Fragment would be released but along came Brain Drill to prove me wrong
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>>66104084
lel saw that documentary with famine and figured i may as well not bother with the lyrics
>>66104101
only recently (last year or two) been getting into their newer stuff though, for whatever reason i didnt like anything past ballade before but that's changing now
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>>66104152
b-but i thought it was pretty decent
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>>66104177
what documentary ?
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>>66104113
i don't really like Soilent Green that much but the sludgegrind + that idiosyncratic phrasing and vocal styles spouting odd lyrics at motor mouth speeds in Deleted Symphony are my jam
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>>66104199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw-pIwRXNcw
featuring tryhard mckvlt amongst others (you'll see who i mean)
it's basically a bunch of famine being a whiny bitch sprinkled with "muh kvlt french old school bm"
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>>66104212
I just find it as mehgrind + mehsludge = general meh. If I want sludge parts in my grind, then I listen to some powerviolence with slowdown moments like Sex Prisoner or some Iron Lung stuff.
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>>66104223
>it's basically a bunch of famine being a whiny bitch sprinkled with "muh kvlt french old school bm"
Why do you people even listen to Black Metal when you hate or mock everything it stands for? I honestly don't understand, please explain the appeal to me.
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also sludgeviolence is dope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHOylEAtePM
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>>66104348
>please explain the appeal to me.
it's nice to listen to
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>>66104348
>liking things you listen to
>>>/out/
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>>66104348
i like the music and i find the musicians incredibly entertaining in their retardation
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>>66104383
>there is an Outdoor board

why didnt I know this?
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>>66104390
>bunch of young adult norwegians edging on eachothers edginess
yeah ok i get it
>some are still doing it 20 years later
fucking lol
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>>66104420
because you're new
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>>66104420
there's also an animal board which is incredibly nice in contrast to everything else
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>>66104480
It's also the best source for reaction images
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>>66104480
that one has probably the highest amount of female posters by far
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>>66099355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htYcUWOpJiM
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>>66104544
oh yeah, no doubt about it
maybe the cosplay board or whatever it's called has more, but that's about it
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>>66103974
>>66103974
Its 2016 stop listening to odd future.
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>>66104628
but i like OF
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>>66104695
out you go
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>>66103602
its called having fun. clearly something you dont know how to do
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>>66103953
>le i was born in the wrong generation
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>>66103602
there's nothing wrong with being cringeworthy desu
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>>66105201
>muh fun
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At least we can say the worst day on /metal/ is still better than the best day at /kpg/
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>>66105524
there is no "worst days on /metal/" though
when whe shitpost, we make it an art, and it is sublime
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>>66100481
Try Arghoslten, same machine riff
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Shitpost in the front row, crowd begins to meme and there's memes upon the stage
Bang your head against the thread and cancer takes its place, BONDED BY MEMES
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>>66103602
How the fuck is it cringeworthy? They're doing something unique and interesting with their talents.
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>>66105557
black metal sucks to you too, my neo thrashing brother.
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>>66105524
there is no ''best day at /kpg/'', in fact i'm not sure if there's days at all there, that place seems like this big, purgatory-like place where all that remains of it's inhabitants being is waifufaggotry
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why is black metal the only good metal genre?
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>>66105590
BROTHER WILL MEME BROTHER
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>>66105741
prefer speed metal desu
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>>66105694
>a cepalla corsetcore covers
yeah, that's a completely reasonable thing to do for people with any integrity at all
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>>66105743
SPILLING SLAM ACROSS THE LAND
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>>66105762
THRASHING FOR RELIGION
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cuz it's a bittersweet symphony this life!
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stop making these threads
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>>66106052
stop posting in these threads
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>>66106052
>Jasonposters complain
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>>66104348
They're soulless faggots is why.
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is kill
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>>66101826
No you aren't
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>>66101527
>More sauce, you slow bitch!
Not going to lie, I found this humorous
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Jesus christ
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Why does all slam these days have overproduced deathcore sample drums, overproduced deathcore guitars and deathcore vocals?
Give me some muddy guitars, clanky snares and disgusting gutturals :(
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>>66108704
you're life is overrated
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>>66108793
You're Gay
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stop bumping this thread, just let it die
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>>66108704
You're listening to the wrong bands
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>>66099445
Buuuuh, byonoisegenerator? Kinda?
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>>66108704
I love the new dysentery but Scott's mu homeboy so idk. I liked it before I realized he was on the record though.
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brother will _______ brother
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYoJgbybes Any more brutal black metal like this, /meak /?
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>>66109468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpLbkxEL5bs
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>>66109500
that fucking gaahl interview, every time
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsbxqJTmXTY

holy shit
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>>66109116

KILL
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>>66109688
SPILLING
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What's a good place to find infos about new official music videos that get released?
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>>66109693
BLOOD
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>>66109722
why would you want that
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>>66109722
i may be wrong here bu i'm pretty sure that most metal bands who even release music videos are signed to big labels like Nuclear Blast and the like
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>>66109763
I know 99% of them are super bad. I just like a good laugh, that's all.
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>>66109723
ACCROSS
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>>66109776
Some are. But from what I've seen lots of bands have their own yt channel and release them on there.
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>>66101826
Literally my favorite band tho. Wanna yiff bro?
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>>66109816
i'd love a revival of old school metal music videos, like early Immortal and the like
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>>66099706
Paracletus is the best, btw
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>>66109896
no need to state objective facts
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How do you go from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tW9fekzJo

To this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6nWmMdmaI
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How'd I do?
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>>66109961
post the unedited one
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https://youtu.be/r_6gFdC4Rm4


Jesus, please, What is that?!

I'm actually scared right now
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>>66109973
Here you go
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>>66109993
>”Break Take Live”" talks about how many mindlessly follow the crowd, never to realize that they’re fullfilling their worst fear: Not living life to the fullest. Live a life chosen for you, and you’ll be bound to a fate that’s not your own.

I wish we had more deep, mature songs like this. Too bad mindless sheep and normies don't understand the beauty and message of this.
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>>66109993
>that keyboard work
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>>66109993
That is the most beautiful female Troll I've ever seen.
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R8
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>>66109868
I think I found something that's right up your alley:

https://youtu.be/NoveijoplVI
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>>66109993
Add this to the Alladin chart
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>>66109993
There comes a time when we must ask the question: how many generic female fronted symphonic metal bands are out there? I mean, just look at all this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_6gFdC4Rm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0VfnqLUs8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrmYUHsPrWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LKk4kFnDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxEXupvXKUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCacQvNFPh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdzDgw7T48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uTB-JQmTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSJJ0YolwHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIedr_9_9hA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slB1sQFGg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKpvzjzCQXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utYuj-irgUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnD-Vnl4l7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLGFJ--jaNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2gtXj-hZpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57gFuhCRd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvST3wGCG8

I mean, holy shit. This is getting completely out of hand. It took me less than five minutes to dig up all of these by just exploring the recommendations on Youtube. All of these bands sound the same, they all use the same type of imagery in their videos, and I'm willing to bet my life that they're all formed after 2010. When will it end? Save me from this madness /metal/, I can't wake up.
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>>66110353
it's called corsetcore, anon
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>>66110246
Why would you wear black in the summer? Are you a masochist?
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>>66110401
yeah
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>>66110353
I think the entirety of /metal/ agrees that corsetcore ( >>66110364 ) is a pleb genre.
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>>66110353
my favorite has got to be the one with the chick with the blue hair, the hair plus all the theatrics and the music itself just make the words ''3D people try to become anime'' pop into my head
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>>66110274
man, Opera IX used to be pretty good
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>>66110274
not nearly cheesy and funny enough, man, it seems p standard in fact
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>>66110424
true but with so many of them, there just has to be at least one good, ambitious, original one. idk any though
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what is the appeal of Morbid Angel ? their riffs are pretty bland and uninteresting tb h
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>>66110534
Avatarium's debut had like 1 or 2 good songs.
Then there is Diablo Swing Orchestra that's mindless fun.
I think Unexpect are good. But I can't listen to their stuff for long.
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this shit is rigged, how can I get so close to bingo with so few crosses
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>>66110401
Summer weather only really affects you if you plan on going outside. :^)
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>>66110613
but DSO isn't corsetcore, it' far too progressive and avant for that distinction
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>>66110639
deathspell omega is absolutely corsetcore
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>>66110649
wew lad
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>>66110649
memes on you, i was already expecting that reply
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In the mood for some obscure DSBM. Hit me with some good shit
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>>66110691
why listen to DSBM when your can kill self
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Why isn't there an essential slam chart yet?
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Whats your favorite live performance?

mine...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rBJK-k3vPE
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>>66110673
me on the left
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>>66110719
there is though
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>>66110691
I'm not familiar with that acronym.
I'll give you this: https://youtu.be/eqXcZAAYbms

>>66110719
Because there is none.
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>>66110673
truly the meme lord of our times
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>>66110750
Thanks anon
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>>66110673
I made this comic for you
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>mfw this is the death metal answer to Blacklodge and Aborym
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>>66110757
Why does that exist
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>>66110789
thanks for the (You) but the whole DSO/DsO thing was always a joke, anon
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>>66110719
Slamming is forbidden.
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>>66110819
I know but I don't think anyone in that comic looks particularly clever when you change the text
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>>66110818
Why does any of us exist
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