Why is it "cute" when girls wear oversized men's clothing but weird when guys wear women's clothing?
Patriarchial hetero-normative society and its rigid gender forms
>>65806342
>>>/4chan/
ariel pink is cute
it's not if you're involved in any actual underground music culture/scene
>>65806342
lol
>>65806322
Because trannies are nasty but traps are ️OK in the eyes of 4chan
>>65806322
because, contrarily to what /pol/ say, we live in a fucking homophobic, patriarchal society.
>>65806322
well mostly cause male clothes fit better on girls' bodies shapewise than vice versa.
my ex's have always been able to borrow clothes from me, but I have rarely been able to borrow stuff that is theirs, beyond some track pants, socks and hats.
the rest was usually too tight, and just looked weird.
if you plan on going the androgynous route stylewise then you have to be a good looking and slightly feminine looking man already.
I look great with some eyeliner and mascara on, and would make a beautiful trannie.
>>65806996
kek
>>65806342
Because gender roles have no legitimate basis in reality. If you're a male you'll most likely look like a complete clown in drag
i've honestly tried to buy women's clothing a few times because they have way more options but all of it just fits weird
Guys are too hairy.
>>65806322
because women are meant to be cute and men are meant to be manly
thinking otherwise is a sign of kike brainwash and weak reasoning skills
>>65806342
this.
>>65806342
this tbqh
>muh gender binary
>>65807278
PURE IDEOLOGY
*sniff*
>>65806322
How is this music related?
>>65807793
Musicians tend to like to push social boundaries, including gender norms.
![Man-dress[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5X84LvR.jpg "Man-dress[1].jpg")
>>65806322
says who?
>>65806322
Homie almost every even slightly edgy musician has performed in a dress before and been praised for it.
>>65806322
Because most men look awful in womens clothes. I like twinks in skirts and stuff though
Well there are four basic types we're dealing with here:
1. Feminine girl wearing boys clothes
2. Masculine girl wearing boys clothes
3. Feminine boy wearing girls clothes
4. Masculine boy wearing girls clothes
It's easier for girls to look masculine than for boys to look feminine (just look at trannies), so 1 and 2 are more likely to look acceptable than 3 and 4.
1 would usually be seen as cute, while 2 would be seen as attractive to some lesbians but not to the typical hetero man.
In theory, 3 could look cute, but there aren't a lot of boys who have the physique and fashion knowledge to pull it off. That's why traps and skinny mtfs usually look like childish retards.
4 pretty much never works out, because girls clothes are meant to accentuate features that masculine men exhibit the antithesis of.
Beyond aesthetics, you also have the social issue, where a crossdressing boy is way more likely to get beaten up (etc.) than a crossdressing girl. That's just cancerous gender normativity at work. However, even if that prejudice didn't exist, crossdressing boys would continue to look ugly/weird on average.
>>65806322
Because as a man, you don't want to be "cute". Have some self-respect.
>>65808935
>only the most masculine of men can browse my anime imageboard
>>65808794
This is a pretty good summation.
>>65807083
that person only looks like a complete clown because they're dressed like a fucking doll. Nobody dresses like that.
>>65806897
montie we know you like traps u cuck
>>65808935
I get laid because I'm "cute", senpai
>>65809105
Really? It's not because of his bald head and fat fucking body?
>>65806322
Probably because men's clothes are looser and less form fitting, while female clothes are contoured and form fitting. So when a guy where's girls clothes, it doesn't fit the structure of their body and they look like a twined sausage or something
>>65806322
what is called men clothes today used to be used by woman some decades ago, anon, the same way blue and pink weren't always associated with boys and girls, respectively
High heels used to be for men. Women need to stop appropriating male culture.
>>65807083
This is really silly.
Gender roles aren't necessarily good or bad, but they didn't just spring up out of nowhere.
In primate species where predators are still a threat, females travel in the middle of the group, the largest males in the front and back. Why? Because the biological reality is that a) primate males are bigger and stronger than females, and b) females are WAY less disposable, because that is where BABIES come from.
Now, obviously you and I don't have to worry about bears anymore, but I'm sure as hell keeping my girlfriend close by when we go to the shittier neighborhoods, and it's also for these reasons that men are the ones dying of black lung in a coal mine and getting their legs blown off by mohammed.
I don't think that these gender roles are always right, but keep in mind that the secondary stuff that we often feel restrained by (dress codes, male sports culture) serve the important purpose of preparing men for their roles as providers and women as nurturers. Just because you can't see the reason doesn't mean it isn't there.
>>65809976
>anthropology and sociology
s t o p
>>65809998
>in a thread about anthropology and sociology
What you should've said was
>/mu/ - History & Humanities
>>65806342
also the simple fact that large clothing can look good on some people regardless of gender, while very tiny and tight clothing doesn't really follow that principle.
Honestly? Because when men wear women's clothing, a good amount of the time there's a weird sexual aspect to the whole thing.
>>65810557
this. you can delete the thread now.
becos feminity is structurally despised
>>65806322
This isn't even necessarily true.
Imagine a girl in some dad-washed, straight leg denim that is too long, some socks and sandles, and a batman t-shirt.
If she is average looking, she will look stupid and bad. If she is v qt she will still look qt but also stupid and poorly dressed.
Now for a counter example to men looking weird in women's clothing:
See pic related, but imagine a dude wearing it.
Dude is going to look feminine, but not really too stupid or weird.
Maybe the thing is that when women dress in "male" clothing, they go for a moderate approach. When men dress in "female" clothing, they go for an extreme one.
>>65810629
Go ahead and substantiate that claim.
>>65810909
This is already a girl wearing pretty much male (inspired) clothing though.
>>65806322
I'm as open minded as anyone but a lot of womens clothing is for that hourglass shape. men's bodys just aren't made to look good in it
>>65812144
its about the fit. those pants would be too fight on most men
>>65806322
Probably because of how we view sexuality and the sexes.
A lot of women's clothing to me shows off a sort of frailness and softness, maybe a bit of weakness and is meant to send a single to men that this thing needs to be protected, as what is typically the male role.
Most men's clothes are pretty neutral so women can also get away with wearing them, I struggle to even think of a pair of clothing as particularly masculine, maybe like a leather jacket is about the most masculine thing you can wear and still be considered a normal member of society, and because of the feminization of the modern man, women can get away with wearing men's clothes, because the expression of gender seems to have been moved more towards everyone expecting feminine traits and not the other way around.
both r cute
>>65809161
who doesn't?
>>65806432
This 2bh
gender and presentation are all stupid anyway and the day I learned to be fluid with both was the day I started enjoying my body and how I look
and just so we keep this music related
>>65806432
>>65807838
this tbqh here's a pic of me performing recently
just have fun and express yourself in what's comfortable to you fuck what others think
>>65815950
God you are such a fucking faggot dude.
>>65815970
ty anon ily too
>>65815982
I feel bad for a male who will never know what it's like to be a man.
>>65816012
have fun feeling bad then?
>>65815950
that's you? qt/10 whatever your genre
Using Ariel as an example, isn't a good one.
Ariel will occasionally wear women's clothing while performing, because his persona is pretty much as a diva. He's wearing it to be camp, silly, gaudy, whatever. And the fact he's a greasy chubby manlet, works for that - he's clearly not trying to pass for anything other than himself in a silly costume.
Contrary to what you might believe, there *was* a time when men wearing women's clothing was cute. It was called the 70s and the 80s. Which, coincidentally, is what Ariel is hearkening to. And they were wearing it, because it was a spectacle, it was "cute", it was attention-getting.
>>65806342
>>65808794
>>65810557
Combination of these answers.
No clue how this relates to music tho
>>65816059
It's just so weird. There's going to be a huge divide when you generation z'ers are established in the real world and some of you are total pussy nu-males while many choose the path of being a man. I wonder what it will do for society.
>>65816012
Not him, but man, you are one buttmad turbo autist.
>>65815950
You're a mong with no sense of aesthetics.
Get some fashion sense before you try to 'break boundaries'.
>>65816074
thanks anon! I mostly do singer/songwriter indie shit with electronic vibes
>>65816125
not a guy but yes indeed
>>65816133
dun worry my manager and I are working on styling aspects of my shows I'll let you know how it goes
>>65816125
Not mad, it's pity and a little bit of disgust really.
>>65816164
>I mostly do singer/songwriter indie shit with electronic vibes
Why does shit music taste so often corroborate with shit fashion taste?
>>65816166
>a little bit of disgust really.
this is the best compliment I've ever received on an internet image board
>>65815950
le wacky crossdress of shit electronics
>>65806322
because we are ugly
>>65816164
Are you one of those people who is a biological male but pretends he isn't?
>>65815970
>>65816012
>>65816121
>being this triggered over someone else's gender
>unironically using the term "nu male"
>>65815950
Kind of cute desu
>>65816113
this guy knows
>>65816293
I'e yet to hear a better term for it. This new type of androgynous male that doesn't identify as a man, talks, walks, acts and thinks feminine. It's a new trend, wasn't happening very much at all when I was in high school, now it seems to be very common.
>>65816121
It's gonna be a fuckriot. Every public surface will be stained like the back of a seat in a 1970s porn theater.
sometimes things just look awkward on some people and sometimes it looks pretty good
>>65816350
They're often very submissive people and from what I've seen it looks like they're basically just a type of woman who has a dick.
>>65816332
>"New type"
This has been a thing AT LEAST since the fucking 70s, if not older.
The word for them, is "queer", you dolt. It has been for years. And you're afraid to call someone that, then use "metrosexual". These are old terms, and have been used forever.
And you didn't notice it at high school, because a high school is a immensely small microcosm and not representative of any population, anywhere.
"Nu males", whatever you think of them, are not new.
>>65816332
I thought pic related was "nu-male"?
>>65816452
The new flavor of them is much more common than before. I meant when I was in high school, not just in my high school. They were just getting somewhat common when I was in college too. Feminine men have always been around, but now they're very common.
>>65816458
They are too, but generally I only use it for the much more feminine hipsters.
>>65816012
i feel bad for you
actually i dont
but youre a retard btw
>>65816525
It might hurt but judging from your reaction it's not a stretch to say you probably fit in that category. I stand by what I said.
>>65816523
I don't know when you went to high school, but they were as mainstream and common as they are now at least since the late 90s.
Being surprised at them in 2016, when scene kids were omnipresent in the 2000s, is ludicrous.
>>65816551
lol
>>65816557
They absolutely became significantly more common since 2010. They're more feminine than scene kids, I'm talking about these super androynous people like that pink haired faggot who completely reject masculinity.
>>65816589
>I'm talking about these super androynous people like that pink haired faggot who completely reject masculinity.
These are exactly as feminine as scene kids, m8.
These guys are just what happens when scene kids grow up to join the hipsters.
Which means it will pass as the fad it is.
They REALLY aren't that common outside of places where 20 something trendy fags latch on to every passing fad.
And then you can welcome in the resurgence of fratboy hypermasculine redneck fags.
>>65816589
I guess you've never seen a Twisted Sister photo or been to a Flock of Seagulls concert.
>>65816655
It's not a false dichotomy. It's not either cross dressing virtual eunuchs or hyper masculine rednecks and frat boys. You can just be a normal man who values masculinity and its tenets.
>>65816332
>This new type of androgynous male that doesn't identify as a man, talks, walks, acts and thinks feminine
Rewatch Star Wars, and really pay attention to Mark Hamill. There were lot's of feminine men in the '70s through now, you probably just live in an isolated community. Also there's been a rise in hyper masculine fuckboys since the beginning of the 2000s, so you're probably used to this.
>>65816332
>>65816452
http://nonbinary.org/wiki/History_of_nonbinary_gender
(i know that wiki articles can be edited by anybody and yaddayaddayadda but they give sources usually so no worries)
>>65816695
Prevalence, not the existence itself.
>>65816724
Mark Hamil was nowhere near as feminine as this fuckin queen>>65815950
>>65816741
also
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2008/02/transgender_history_trans_expression_in.php
(there are a ton of articles on this topic but this was like the first one i found)
>>65815950
would fug u desu
>>65816806
>this fuckin queen
thank
>>65815950
Let me guess, you're a Grimes fanboy.
>>65816860
>fug
is that like a combination fuck/hug bc that sounds nice anon
>>65816928
hownew.ru
>>65816926
>a Grimes fan
visions is great, art angels had some hit/miss tracks imo a bit average
haven't listened to anything else
This thread though
>>65816400
Oh good, my srs cuntboy fantasy has some basis in reality
>>65815950
qt 2bh
keep doing u
>>65817123
Tripcodes shouldn't exist.
>>65806411
i look better thanks
>>65808794
>>65816113
This.
>gf said she wanted me to wear a dress and stockings the next time we had sex
so i sometimes troll around shithole LA (don't go there duh)
he was on the roof of a pedestrian deposit show that was @ Handbag factory - dude from the Germs was there too it was like a /bildergerg/ of noise bros
i was stoned and ppl were leaving him alone ya know like they see him a lot and shit, I just kept casually asking him if he knew or ever met Ariel Pink
dude was lost for the most part, I find solace in trolling trolls but everyone is a target
>>65817255
i miss you, fred
>>65815950
You're cute, but your horrible shoes kill that outfit. Please get some good shoe-taste famalama.
>>65816724
Prime Mark Hamill is top-tier waifu material.
because men are scum and a part of the patriarchy, they only exist to oppress women
>>65806322
i wear girls clothes all the time and no one even notices. you gotta wear shit that fits your frame and that you can actually pull off
just cause you're wearing clothes that fit you're gender doesn't meant you're not still weird looking
Because we need to get our seed into females and faggots are detrimental to society.
>>65815950
link some tracks
Because men arent allowed to be feminine.
Why is it ok for men to walk around public shirtless but when a woman does it's indecent? It's really sexist.
>>65815950
You're skinny enough to pull this off, though.
>>65815950
I don't think i've ever seen /mu/ summed up so perfectly in one picture. you're all a bunch of dress wearing faglords with completely shit taste in music.
>>65815950
You're a huge tool.
>>65816655
There are new heights of femininity being reached, scene kids didn't have shit on how things are now.
>>65806322
Because girls and womens are supposed to look 'cute', not men.
