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Why do the """people""" with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards producing/DJ'ing as opposed to playing a proper instrument?
>>65562798
it's actually the opposite
???
>>65562798
>creativity
>with a single instrument
>in time where you can do whatever you want on your computer
do you have down syndrome?
>>65562798
Define 'proper instrument'
it goes both ways, writing requires creativity but so does producing
its not that hard to make a decent sounding recording tho especially with all the crazy technology we have today
>>65562824
see: Soundcloud threads
>>65562871
all these powerful tools, yet you still can't write a melody that doesn't sound like ass or come up with a chord progression that isn't elementary as fuck.
>>65562925
How do you know what I do?Just because you look at soundcloud kiddies who do edm and trap it means nothing.Please go to doctor because you obviously have some disorder.
>>65562871
>Not playing multiple instruments and integrating the computer into your music
OP is right
Idk why people think DJing is easy. If you play tracks that are the same key and bpm it's easy, but then you're a shitty DJ. I would love the see one of these dudes who think it's easy mix a James Brown edit into a techno track and have it work.
>>65562798
>as opposed to
>>65562925
>making new chord progressions
>2016
I'm sorry that's literally impossible, all the good ones are taken
>>65562798
>"""people"""
You're so worthless you can't even use this right
>>65562871
you cant create analogue sound data from scratch.
>>65562798
putting djing and producing in the same category shows how much you know about this topic
>>65562925
and maybe it's because most people don't want to here an 11/4 avant garde tune in some ancient eastern mode and just want a nice melody with some rhythm behind it and good production
stay salty, OP
>>65562925
Soundcloud threads are terrible. Their "songs" are mostly just one basic loop. But I guess it's alright because >muh EDM >muh experimental shit. But putting this aside, proper producing is not easy as you are implying.
>>65562798
Because it's free nowadays.
get your pirated copy of FL studio or Ableton on the computer you already have, and you're good to go, whereas an instrument is somethign you have to buy.
Not to mention that the learning curve with many instruments is so that you will dabble a lot before making visible progress and being able to create something passable. With DAW you have a clear hard beginning, but nothing that some youtube tutorials will not fix and after that you can easily stagnate. You realize your progress based on how many buttons you know how to use while progress with an instrument is not easy to see.
>>65563237
hear*
..this was my first post of the morning cut me some slack
>>65562798
Tell me that Madlib doesn't have talent with a straight face
Most DJs worth their salt can play an instrument (or often quite a few) anyway
>>65563237
This
Producing a track is really easy and takes nothing.
It will bring you lots of money, something like learning music theory and playing piano won't. In the music industry of today, you need to use a mouse and a keyboard, put some bleeps together and cater to the millennials drinking themselves to death in clubs.
Electronic music =/= Art or any real craftsmanship.
>>65563270
Except that's not the point OP was trying to make.
>beginners with little inspiration and originality or ideas tend to get into DJing and DAW nowadays
not
>all DJs and producers are hack
learn how to read
>>65563352
lmao absolutely clueless
>>65563352
man, so all it takes to be a groundbreaking electronic musician is know music theory? wew I should get in on that :^)
>>65563352
>something like learning music theory and playing piano won't
Most worthwhile producers know both, from Dilla to god damn Avicii
ITT: bitter music majors who spent $200,000 to go to university and """"master"""" their instruments are enraged because some 15 y/o who knows how to use a compressor properly is succesful and they're not
>>65563039
OP here
finally somebody who understands. You have restored what little faith I had in this board; good job anon.
>>65563352
this is some nice bait
>>65563237
>and maybe it's because most people don't want to here an 11/4 avant garde tune in some ancient eastern mode and just want a nice melody with some rhythm behind it and good production
translation: "I can't really do anything too different from I-IV-V. Also, the only keys I know are C major and A minor"
>tfw nobody to make noise rock band with playing guitar or bass
>learning drums so I can record them to make beats and play jazz
>still cant find any bandmates
fuck this gay earth
>>65563352
>It will bring you lots of money
Well, why don't you do it then?
>>65563619
no that's just what you wanted to hear in it
i can pull off pretty much any key, modulation, time signature..you name it, but those are my least popular songs because no one but pretentious bitter music majors want to hear
>>65563262
This is probably the best explanation, it took me years of fucking around on a few different instruments until I made pretty much any progress. I didn't start dabbling about in different bands and genres until i had been playing guitar/bass for about 2 or 3 years.
I pirated FL studio about a year ago, it was a bit much at first, but a few tutorials got me at least a basic understanding. After a week or so, I could do some basic shit, but something more than I could have shown after a week of guitar.
>Why do the """people""" with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards writing music/composing as opposed to playing a proper instrument?
>>65563973
keque
>>65562925
Basing your opinion of all electronic musicians on soundcloud threads is a stupid as basing your opinion of all instrumentalists on bandcamp threads. Anyway, as someone who has played guitar and keys for 10 years and also likes to make bleep bloops, I find electronic production no more or less challenging than playing instruments (if you want to actually make something good). But in my opinion it's easier to be creative as the possibilities are endless, it's like a sandbox. Instruments obviously have limitations when it comes to timbre.
>>65563973
touche
>>65563634
My bandmates are my guitars and a cracked version of FL 11
>>65564691
ur band must suck then
THEY BLENDED THE SONG, MAAAAAAAAAN
>>65564713
yeah, we don't even have a entire song written, just a few cool loops here and there but eh we're having fun
>>65564776
Not to ruin it but I gotta say this is really heartwarming and inspiring
I'm not really agreeing with OP but I do think it's easier to get famous and popular with little talent doing electronic music than rock music these days. That's probably just because the music landscape in general is moving away from rock though. And I think making something shitty using a computer is easier than making something shitty with instruments.
If you want to make something good with either though it takes talent still. Computers don't just make good music at the push of a button.
>>65563352
Producing generic and passable sounding EDM really is much easier than making generic and passable music in any other genre (except maybe noise) because sample packs and presets exist. But for every successful producer, there are thousands of randoms on Soundcloud who will probably never get any kind of recognition.
>>65562798
>the monitors angle
im triggered
>>65565043
lmao
>>65563634
lets send eachother samples friend, well make a band through the internet ;_;
Im on your boat though, want to make noise rock, play guitar, my only drummer friend is a flake who rather LMAO WEED all day and cover metalcore songs than make music.
>>65563175
this
you can still make new melodies or use old ones in different ways
there are tons of people who have real instruments and have no talent or creativity. not everyone is going to be good at making music. iduno why this subject pisses people off. maybe it's just the older generation who just doesnt get the kids today. sit your old salty ass down, it's called a hobby
>>65562969
Get mad, faggot.
>>65562798
I neither play an instrument, nor can produce anything on computer, but if I could I would choose playing an instrument desu. I guess it feels good to play music "live" and feel how you make it
>$$$
>can be done alone
>accessible (torrents)
>popular music is mostly electronic atm
>traditionally nonelectronic music can still benefit from daw/engineering knowledge
lol
>>65562798
By playing records while applying at least some knowlegde and/or feel of music theory, which for most are best learned around playing an instrument, DJing can be elevated to a nuanced craft of it's own. The increasingly low barrier of entry (playing other people's records, perfectly quantized by your pirated dj software) is what draws lazy subhumans, but the actual dedication and knowledge needed to pull off a decent, non-shit mix is what causes most of them to fail.
>>65563175
>>65565416
>I can't make good chord progressions so there is no moe good chord progressions, stop making music :^(
Not OP but.
No, you aren't creative enough, Thats all.
>>65566959
>you aren't creative enough
yeah, your post shows it
>>65562798
i would say it is kind of split between 2 types:
1-people such as pic you posted who just do it cause they can/cheap/makes them look cool
2-legitimate producers, who are very creative and actually use vintage analog synths/drum machines/etc. when recording
the problem is that with the rise of software that basically writes for you, the number of type 1 people heavily outweighs type 2
>>65567213
>software that basically writes for you
this doesnt happen
even with shit that helps you speed it up like "xfer cthulu" you still have to do it yourself
>>65563855
what tutorials did you look at?
i pirated it a while back and havent made anything, its pretty complicated.
>>65567213
>with the rise of software that basically writes for you
what the fuck are you talking about??
>>65567213
is this bait
>>65567929
whole thread is bait
>>65567964
i've been in this fucking site so much i can't tell the difference between baiting, retardation and irony anymore
>>65563973
bach was a virtuoso organist you unbelievably retarded shitposter
>>65562798
It's the difference between a toddler coloring in a "paint by numbers" coloring book and an actual painter painting a breathtaking landscape, Anon. The toddler really thinks they're "doing something" because they lack the fundamental awareness that they're actually not. That's why these "producers" works can't hold peoples attention for more than a moment, it's literally the incoherent & unrefined paint blotches of an amused child's first forays into art. All while the actual artists continue to focus on (and perfect) the craft and techniques that will ultimately produce their timeless masterpieces.
It's as simple as that really. Let the babies pitch their fits and throw their tantrums, their works will never hang in any museum to be admired through time like true art is.
>>65568487
the art of fugue is an awful piece of music
>>65568864
actually its because electronic music is popular and people want to make that music
>>65568943
Yes, the baby saw the toy the other baby's were playing with and wants to play with that toy too.
Pretty basic.
>>65569023
>>65562798
If you cant appreciate the ways a computer allows you to creates any sound you can imagine in any arrangement you are pretty basic
>>65563175
>>65562925
>thinking in terms of chord progressions
Why do popular musicians pretend to be making music?
>>65569538
Unfortunately that doesn't explain why the people with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards producing/DJ'ing.
That was a nice attempt at avoiding the argument though, you're obviously well versed on how /mu/ "argues" ;^)
>>65569808
People like this ?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx09W6hdpPN-SEVfZEZrbnpFbFU/view?usp=sharing
>>65568864
so explain to me what the hass effect is senpai ? you google you lose.
>>65570131
>I ain't clicking that shit nigga.jpg
Is this seriously what you consider an argument? Some random link?
>>65562925
autistic
>>65562798
It's a lot easier dragging files and making shitty beats on a MacBook Pro than actually learning an instrument
>>65569808
>people with least amount of talent/creativity
where do you get that from? this is a retarded thing to say. reality is that it's simply much easier to put together a shit track in FL and then it's super easy to Upload it to your soundcloud too. You think no 'talentless' people play the guitar? they do, you just don't hear about them. of course you're going to find shit FL songs on fucking soundcloud. If you weren't overexposed to the internet, you'd probably have seen even more shit guitarists/whateverists by now
>>65570367
>it's super duper hard to pick at some strings guys
the same shit work can be produced with both mediums, faggot
>>65562798
Producing is literally 10x harder than playing an instrument you fucking idiot
>>65570431
>reality is that it's simply much easier to put together a shit track in FL and then it's super easy to Upload it to your soundcloud too.
So that's the reason why the people with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards producing/DJ'ing? Good point, I think you're right.
>>65563352
In this moment I am euphoric. I have transcended.
>>65570520
>So that's the reason why the people with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards producing/DJ'ing?
no, that's just the people you're exposed to on the internet. the same amount of no-talent hacks gravitate towards guitar, you just don't see them. of course, reading isn't a skill you have
>>65570555
So people with least amount of talent/creativity gravitate towards producing/DJ'ing because it's easier to get exposure on the internet? You're knocking them out of the park today, Anon. Bravo.
>>65570131
>it's a rui debuts a music video to win an argument thread and samefags about it
How the fuck do you end up this way? I can only pray I never become this autistic
I know like 4 people who play guitar but can't write to save their lives.
>>65568876
you have awful taste in music.
>>65570866
lmao
k.
>>65570631
well, tell those 4 people to invest in pic related.
Once plugged between the amp and guitar, it automatically save everything you play.
It's nice but mine stop working for no reason tho
>>65562798
>>65562925
>>65563039
>>65563352
>>65565679
>>65566959
>>65567213
>>65570626
Firstly, I really do hope all you fucks realize every single piece of music you have heard in your life has gone to a producer and through a computer at some point. Let's not forget that. A good portion of the godawful altrock and so on that you worship contains tracked software drums (or other instruments) that either layer on-top of, or replace the actual drummer/instrumentalist/vocalist. It's just how things are done in the industry. Without a proper producer, a band is nothing.
Finally, the following artists are young producers that engineer some of today's most tasteful and original music. I know this whole thread is bait, but it's still sad to see how Garrix, Guetta, and other autistic, birth defected, EDM fucks take the spotlight over the real musicians.
--
Tennyson
Tsuruda
Diversa
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>>65563262
This
Also the poularity of edm. Every moron thinks they can be the next big thing to press play on a festival stage.
And everyone else things that with their stolen copy of FL and a usb mic they can be a rapper.
>>65564770
that's a funny file name
>>65572619
>I really do hope all you fucks realize every single piece of music you have heard in your life has gone to a producer and through a computer at some point.
>he doesn't own any vintage records
>>65574843
>implying
2 boxes full asshat
>also implying recording and mixing done before computers was not producing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer#1950s.E2.80.9360s
Kill yourself
We have left from a time where music actually took talent and effort to make. These musicians were the icons of their times, from the Beatles to Queen. Their complex lyricism and knowledge of instruments are what made them so great.
Now today's music is composed of talentless sex symbols that doesn't even know how to sing for shit. They can't even play a single fucking instruments, they only rely on the power of electronics to warp their talents from shit to crap. An example of these hacks include Frank Ocean, Kanye, Beyonce, Lil Wayne, James Blake, The Avalanches, etc. AKA the era of shitty degenerate nigger music that caters to the brainwashed children of the 21st century. Its disappointing, really. These hacks can't compare to actual greats of the pre-2000s era of music.
>>65575382
>music then was good - music now is bad meme
You list hacks and correlate them to 'current year' but this logic falls through easily. There is shit music and legendary music from every year, decade, and century. Any moron can conclude that there are still living artists putting genuine hard work and relentless effort into their craft.
Sadly enough you're too fucking braindead to go searching for this art sub-mainstream, so instead you just settle for the mainstream shit of 10 years ago.
>>65575158
>2 boxes full asshat
Then you have records that weren't put through a computer.
>Firstly, I really do hope all you fucks realize every single piece of music you have heard in your life has gone to a producer and through a computer at some point. Let's not forget that.
>assshat
Pic related, what I did with your opinion after I dismissed the rest of your argument.
>>65562798
>>65562925
now i can't post my guitar metal in the soundcloud thread until this thread is down because everyone will think i'm you.
not that they respond anyways
>>65575852
>dismissed the rest of your argument
that's all I needed to hear
>people with the most amount of talent/creativity
>playing a proper instrument
>>65575622
>There is shit music and legendary music from every year, decade, and century
Yes there is shit music pre-2000s, but the shit music wasn't heralded as highly as the shit of today's music. Actual musicians actually received the praise for their talents, but today's musicians are praised for anything OTHER THAN THEIR TALENTS. The so-called "good" music in the modern era doesn't exist, only a time filled with shitty meme noise. Thiz "good" music are utter shit compared to the music of pre-2000s, even the most shittiest ones. Plus, name at least ONE musician in this degenerate era of music who is actually talented. No, you can't name one because THERE IS NO GOOD MODERN MUSIC.
I have searched far and wide in the world of modern music, but there is nothing I could find that is above shit. Sufjan Stevens, Joanna Newsom- they're all dogshit-tier music memes that are praised by angsty and tasteless teenagers. Nothing here is enough to match with the least of the music of the pre-2000s era, which is objectively the golden era of music. All music that are available today varies from nigger babble to orgasmic "singing" that tasteless brainwashed sheep listen to. There is not one musician today that is not pure shit, and you idiots can't prove that.
>>65568864
/thread
>>65576600
ay bruh u ever tasted a titty?
>>65576600
Sadly, belittling imbeciles like you are the ones having approval of this shit. You idiots actually try to listen to this noise and pretend to like it like the slaves you dogs are.
>>65562798
Bullshit. Sit down in front of a daw and try to create something that sounds good out of absolutely nothing. This argument is tired as fuck. You're not some special little snowflake because you can run your fingers across some strings. Who cares.
>>65576600
>name at least ONE musician in this degenerate era of music who is actually talented
Death Grips
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>>65562798
why do pretend to know what djing is about?
why do you think you have any right to speak about something you do not understand?
I was a guitar virtuoso as a kid, then I realized it was fucking garbage and got into composing/producing without being some flamboyant 'TWIDDLY DIDDLY DWEE" faggot.
>>65570626
Sorry anon but you have autism which has made you unable to read and comprehend
>>65582331
To prevent you from posting more autism - the key word is 'to you'.
desu being able to sample something well and make it into something new takes more talent than making boring buttrock* track #7000 with a boring riff with your shitty playing skills.
*I say buttrock because that's literally what the people I know who make the real instrument argument irl listen to.
>>65575382
This guy gets it but lay off the n-word.
I play lots of instruments.
I also bought ableton for my laptop, if you play an instrument its really hard to find other committed people to play with & solo playing gets boring.
I can just mess around with laptop music on my own.
>>65575382
>implying the beatles and queen were good.
Have fun missing out on the greatest music of all time brahms, beethoven, mozart, and bach desu
>>65575382
Alright, how about you hit up a record shop and create a plunderphonics album. I mean, if shitty meme artists who are obviously much less talented and knowledgable than yourself can do it and make a prosperous career for themselves, you should too, right?
>>65575382
>From the beatles to queen
Was Stockhausen too hard for you anon? ;^(
>>65569808
People with the least talent used to gravitate towards guitars.
