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why is /metal/ so retarded when it comes to black metal? BM is the only genre of metal today that is still actively evolving and producing exciting new music. every other metal genre has stagnated to the point where there's no reason to even keep up with new releases.
that's why /metal/ is such a garbage general. it's chock full of shitposting because you can only discuss the same ten classic albums for so long. it's time to look towards the future you stubborn assholes.
with that, let's have a black metal general. And in the spirit of progression, let's try to focus on good new releases. we all already know about darkthrone, emporor, immortal, etc
pic related is one of my favorite albums from last year. iceland is putting out some fantastic stuff right now. i can't wait for the new wormlust
Stop.
bumping with a new jute gyte album that just came out a couple days ago. this shit is insanely weird
https://jutegyte.bandcamp.com/
>>65489935
you're the cancer that i was talking about. and you don't even have a reasonable rebuttal. that may as well be another shitpost. go back to the thread that you already helped to kill and leave mine alone
>>65490023
Splintering /metal/ will only create two separate problems, that's the cripplechan approach to things. Next thing you know every subgenre will have their own general and discussion'll be dead since it'll be the same small hivemind in each thread.
>BM is the only genre of metal today that is still actively evolving and producing exciting new music.
Because of fucking what? Blackgaze? orthodox BM? Blackened post-hardcore? I'll agree that black metal is going through the most changes but it's mainly because of [insert band] mixing black metal with some non-metal genre
You're the reason both black metal and /metal/ are shit, fuck off hipster faggot
>>65490140
>Because of fucking what? Blackgaze? orthodox BM? Blackened post-hardcore?
i'm not talking about specific micro sub-sub genres. i'm just saying that generally there is more experimentation and evolution in new black metal releases. Whereas any modern doom, sludge, death, and thrash is almost invariably stale revivalism.
sure there are bands that are just fusing bm with other genres, and for the most part i don't think that's all that interesting, but what about the two albums that i just posted? what about pic related? i will continue to bump with albums that i think are worthy of praise for being forward-thinking.
i would prefer to not have to splinter from /metal/ but it's gotten to the point where it's literally impossible to discuss black metal there because everybody will shitpost you into oblivion with
>atmoshitter
>hipster
>don't actually like metal
etc
and this>>65490227
is EXACTLY what i'm talking about here>>65490348
another great modern bm album. there's no pretense here. this guy is just composing some kickass convoluted black metal
https://spectrallore.bandcamp.com/album/iii
>>65490348
>Misþyrming
Standard orthodox BM with extra cavernous production. It had a few cool riffs here and ther but the majority of the slower passages and blasting over dissonant chords moments I found to be uninteresting, the drumming was the best part about it.
>new Leviathan
Slow doomy dissonant chords, stock Leviathan blasting over tremelo picked riffs, and some varying vocal/guitar/keyboard effects and samples. Both are standard orthodox BM worship that goes for that cavernous and chaotic feel with a few good riffs interspersed between forgettable dissonance
>>65490656
>Both are standard orthodox BM worship that goes for that cavernous and chaotic feel with a few good riffs interspersed between forgettable dissonance
although i think it's pretty easy to trivialize any album by breaking them down this way, even if they are standard orthodox bm/dissoshit/whatever you want to call it, at least that style is something new that has only started to come into shape within the past decade.
sure they're not doing anything completely original, but they're still experimenting with a relatively new style of writing black metal.
also you didn't comment on the jute gyte album
>>65490810
Jeez how boundary-pushing
Also I didn't see that you mentioned Jule Gyte until after this post, sorry. Granted I couldn't comment on it because I never gave it a listen, the dude has too many albums for me to care exploring and judging from the scene he's in, I doubt I'll like it
>>65490615
This albu is damn good. Interested to see what he does next. The Gnosis ep was promising too
>>65490912
>Jeez how boundary-pushing
hey man, like i said, it's better than most of the uninspired mediocrity that's coming out of other metal subgenres these days.
and don't even get me started on this gem. the fact that this album was so overlooked here just goes to show how much this board prioritizes hype over actual musical content
https://krallice.bandcamp.com/album/ygg-huur
>>65489619
0/10
>>65491062
>Interested to see what he does next
yeah i remember reading somewhere last /nbbmn/ that he was planning on releasing 3 new ep's. one electronic one (voyager), one black metal one (gnosis), and one classical one, which has yet to be released. so i'm pretty hype. i agree though gnosis was really cool too. i love the middle-eastern vibes on it. kind of reminds me of a black metal OM
>>65491188
black metal om is a really good description actually. I didn't enjoy voyager, but to be fair, there are very few black metal acts that have done ambient well imo
>black metal specific general
>autistic anons arguing over nothing
What a surprise
>>65491089
This album was hyped on /metal/. Its okay but has nothing on their early work. Mick Barr is going on to bigger and better things. Namely brutal death
>>65491236
yeah i wasn't a huge fan of voyager either. not that there was anything inherently bad about it. it just didn't really capture my attention. like you said, it's hard to make an ambient album as a bm artist that stands out, because it's already been done so many times.
>>65491258
>implying that isn't exactly what happens in /metal/ also
>>65491303
>Mick Barr is going on to bigger and better things. Namely brutal death
man i hope not. i really wan't to hear another krallice release. i'm cool if they just decide to work more tech death influence into their sound like they did on ygg huur.
>>65489619
/metal/ often has a rightfully elitist mindset. They'll call out dumb atmoshit or some kind of hipster junk. Everything you have posted here is gimmicky nonsense rather than stuff that's actually pushing metal's boundaries. Of course you aren't going to like metal because you don't actually like metal for what it is and need stupid ADHD tier gimmicks to keep your attention.
>>65491471
you can't seriously base your entire argument on the fact that all of these albums are gimmicky. you've deluded yourself into thinking anything that deviates from the formula is a gimmick.
there was quite obviously a ton of hard work that went into the composition of these albums, but you're going to ignore that because they don't sound like darkthrone
>>65489619
>BM is the only genre of metal today that is still actively evolving and producing exciting new music
i'm sincerely sorry for your parents, anon.
>>65491656
ok anon prove me wrong
>black metal general
>oh neato now i ca-
>autism
oh
>>65491356
This is what is implied, yes.
>>65491683
Name me a single good black metal album
>protip: you can't
>>65491575
That's not true though. For example, lets look at two bands who have sort of broken ground in metal using a similar technique: a serialism style coming from classical music.
Demilich used it in their death metal to give the genre a new way of portraying an eldritch atmosphere. But to most people this really isn't that obvious that they were actually using it.
Then you have someone like Behold The Arctopus. They have based themselves more on telling than showing. It's all about "look at how technical we are and we use cool techniques!" Serialism for them is a gimmick rather than a means to make good music.
>>65491801
not him but
>I hate black metal
>you can only prove me wrong by posting a good black metal album
do you not see the issue here?
>>65491886
I know for fact that there is no such thing as a good black metal album
therefore, he will never be able to prove me wrong
>>65491942
If you have already determined that black is bad, and it is impossible for anyone to convince you otherwise, why are you even discussing it in the first place? seems like a massive waste of everyone's time.
Nightkin put out a new album in February.
http://nightkin.bandcamp.com/
>Drums by Chris Trestain (Don't know history)
>Vocals by Mike McKenzie (Red Chord)
>Guitars and bass by David Lock (BDM - Miasma)
Pretty good, I listened to it a couple times last night. Public Execution and My Work Is Not Yet Done are my two favourites currently.
>>65491863
>look at how technical we are and we use cool techniques
was that am actual statement from the band then?
Any opinions on pic related? I thought it was a bit of a departure from Eater of Birds and Gin. I really like the more southern swampy feel over outright black metal. Very impressive considering the lineup change
>>65492310
I don't like it, and consider it worse than either of the albums you also mentioned.
>>65492331
While i enjoyed it quite a bit, I have to agree that the other two abums are still better.
>>65489619
tons of people were masturbating to misthyrming before the debut even came out, stop the bullshit
>>65492245
Not the way I paraphrased it, but yeah. Though whether they say it or not shouldn't be the problem here as it's the music itself that's more responsible for that.
>>65491717
i assure you anon, you can still do whatever it was you wanted to do
>>65491089
sounds like dissoshit
>>65489973
it is insanely weird, nothing really caught my attention when I listened to some of it, but I'd have to listen to the entire thing to give an informed opinion
>>65490615
OK, this one I'll give a proper listen, brb in like 2 hours or however long this shit is
>>65492187
>Nightkin
I want tumblr to leave
>>65491863
you're basing your argument on the assumption that your subjective interpretation of the music of these bands.
>But to most people this really isn't that obvious that they were actually using it.
that's an assumption. you can't speak for anyone other than yourself
>"look at how technical we are and we use cool techniques!"
as>>65492245
said, they never actually said anything like this. it's just your interpretation.
i understand that some approaches to composition are more subtle, while some are more flashy, but neither are inherently better than the other.
>>65489619
not even the best black metal album of last year
>>65494371
>sounds like dissoshit
>implying dissoshit is bad
>>65494451
it doesn't matter if it's good or bad, it's overdone
you can't argue that something is inventive when things very much like it already existed for years
>>65494371
It made people think I listen to Nightkin when I tell them I listen to Black Metal
>>65494429
what's your favorite?
everyone post their vote for best 2015 bm album. mine is probably either >>65490348
or pic related
>>65494503
oh well that's implying that all dissoshit sounds exactly the same. sure it's not necessarily a new idea, but they're certainly tweaking the formula. that's one of the most complex metal albums i've ever heard.
also, i kinda already went over this here>>65490810
>sure they're not doing anything completely original, but they're still experimenting with a relatively new style of writing black metal.
>>65494419
I literally replied to the other person that BTA has mentioned before about their music being around a combo of metal and modern classical techniques. Even the guys the techniques are inspired from didn't base their work around it the way these guys do. Technique is the end to BTA, while to Demilich and composers like Schoenberg it's a means.
>that's an assumption. you can't speak for anyone other than yourself
No it isn't. Most people who like Nespithe wouldn't be able to point out the serialism used in the album. For the sake of this topic it's mentioned because OP wants more gimmicky ADHD changes in metal that weaken the songwriting rather than the actual changes in metal which are far more subtle.
>i understand that some approaches to composition are more subtle, while some are more flashy, but neither are inherently better than the other.
That is totally not what I am trying to say. Bands like maudlin of the Well and Deathspell Omega are far flashier in their attempts at doing what hasn't been done in metal before, but to them those things are still the means, not the end itself.
>>65494867
I'm arguing they're not really tweaking the formula, but just using the formula to create yet another dissonant-sounding album
Blut Aus Nord released The Work Which Transforms God in 2003
Death Spell Omega released Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum in 2007
just mix either of those with Behold... The Arctopus and you get Ygg Huur
so I guess the innovation is it's more mathy? It just doesn't seem very exciting to me, only tiring
>>65495179
>so I guess the innovation is it's more mathy?
yeah that's pretty much what i'm saying. i'd agree that it's super tiring. i didn't really start to appreciate it until i had already listened to it many times
>>65495111
>OP wants more gimmicky ADHD changes in metal that weaken the songwriting rather than the actual changes in metal which are far more subtle.
do you see what you're saying here? you're essentially saying that you prefer subtlety over more flashy, explicit changes. that's totally fine, but you can't say that the "gimmicky" changes objectively weaken the songwriting.
i agree that prioritizing ambience over songwriting is a problem that plagues the more minimal approaches to atmoshit, but all of the albums that have been posted have very calculated and nuanced songwriting.
whether you like the music or not, there was definitely a lot of thought put into it
>>65495516
Just because thought was put into it doesn't make it good (Michael Jackson's Invincible.)
>>65495562
yeah but what i'm saying is that it all boils down to subjectivity. you can't say that these albums are shit because they're relying on a gimmick that compensates for a lack of compositional ability.
yes, they're not as subtle as some other approaches to metal. yes, that might be your personal reasoning for disliking them. but no they're not objectively shit
>>65489973
I can't keep a straight face when listening to jute gyte sometimes, at some points it sounds just like if people tried to make black metal without tuning their instruments, yet at the same time it's perfectly in time and well produced.
>>65495822
I get that music taste is subjective...but to a certain point. A lot of these bands have the same if not worse composition ability than generic shit on the radio. Trying to make metal, then essentially disregarding what the metal genre has to offer among the various forms of music in the world is dumb as hell no matter which way you look at it.
>>65495954
pretty much haha i get the same exact feeling from listening to striborg too. they're both just so far out there, but you know it's intentional judging by how well-executed it sounds
>>65495964
>A lot of these bands have the same if not worse composition ability than generic shit on the radio
oh, my apologies. i was under the assumption that you had at least a basic understanding of music theory
>>65496077
It's good to see you again, my love.
>>65496077
>>65496033
>>65495822
>>65495111
>>65494788
>>65491411
>>65491188
the presence of repeating digits is strong itt
>>65496511
anyone?
>>65496820
depends what you like about taake. if you're looking for more melodic stuff you should check out greek black metal like rotting christ, although it doesn't have nearly as many blasts or tremolos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzeh7HFK-GM
you would probably also like windir if you haven't already heard them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW6h0lhXW3Q
>>65489973
This shit is completely bonkers, I love it.
>>65489619
its all the same shit, thats why its actually dying and nobody is listening to it.
>>65497173
what do you mean by 'it'? black metal or metal in general?
>>65497278
It doesn't matter because he's wrong in both cases.
>>65497303
trve
>>65497106
yeah jute gyte is seriously on one. it's hard to believe his music is even real
>listen to two hunters for the first time
>first track gives me ultra cancer
>rest of the album is fantastic
wew, didn't expect that. Is the rest of their discog good too?
>>65498767
i honestly don't like most of their stuff but their last ambient album was surprisingly great. really epic, emotional pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG67MoJGmvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG67MoJGmvE
>>65498767
diadem of 12 stars is their best, their other material is also good except their half-baked ambient album celestite. I'll just listen to an actual ambient producer if i want that kind of music
>>65498876
>>65499067
lol literally exactly the opposite opinions
>>65498876
I adore this album, it's like a dream collab between Tangerine Dream and Sunn O)))
I'm always in /NBBMN/ but last year there was a lot of shitposting in the threads, and nobody shared rare albums like years before. I hope this november will be different.
>>65499430
It will be different. It will be worse.
>>65499485
Yeah, that's what I think.
>>65499430
really? i had a great time with /nbbmn/ last year. if this year was better than that then i would be stoked
Opinions on Wolfheart by Moonspell?
So, what are the best black metal records of the year so far?
>>65499594
never heard of it before. listening for the first time and so far it sounds kinda cheesy but still pretty dank. i didn't know portugal did metal
>>65499761
Yeah the synths and vocals are kind of cheesy, vox more-so than the synths but I think the singer pulls it off well enough and doesn't suck so much that it's bearable. I'm vibing with it right now to be honest, think it's sweet.
>>65499685
here are some of mine. i don't think this year has been all that great for BM desu but there have still been some good releases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btnWAwQnBAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2nCXS07Ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bozqh6uN7QE
>>65499990
>>65499685
and by mine i mean my favorites
Anything else like pic related worth checking out?
>>65499886
if you like that album you should definitely check this one out. it's got that same gothic, melodic vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyB7xA_HQQ
>>65498767
dont expect anything as good as two hunters
>>65500156
Thanks for the rec family, will check it out
>>65499990
I didn't know Krallice released another album. Gonna check it out. Also, what do you think of the new Aluk Todolo?
>>65489619
>the only genre that is still evolving
i dont know man doom metal is going through some stuff right now. Check out Subrosa, Pallbearer, Yob, and Elder just to name a few off the top of my head.
>>65500411
None of those push the genre forward
>>65500436
its a very different sound from stuff like electric wizard and sleep and earlier bands
No.
>>65500467
Not really, and are those the only earlier doom bands you know?
>>65500568
I know more those were just some examples. Can you elaborate on why you say they dont sound different?
>>65500521
>No
considering that black metal was founded in nihilism, that's the spirit
>>65500300
it's not really a new or an album haha it's an ep of material that they recorded during the years past matter sessions, and released this year. it's still really good though
i haven't listened to the new aluk todolo. haven't even heard of them before. would you recommend it?
>>65500626
Well Pallbearer is explicitly and intentionally throwback shit, and the same could be said for Elder, although they have a reasonably varied sound, but it's nothing evolutionary. Yob are good but they've been around so long they're not doing anything new at all. Subrosa isn't doing anything of creative value really, None of them at this point are really pushing any envelopes, although Yob did at one point.
>>65500693
Prove it.
>>65499594
pretty good corsetcore
>>65500757
its definitely maturing though
>>65500778
nah i don't feel like it
>>65500739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtfPFWMH-qc Well, it's not pure black metal, actually, it's instrumental. But worth checking them out.
>>65500840
All the genres are. The only metal genre I'm honestly not seeing much creative stuff from is grindcore.
>>65500907
I don't really see grindcore as a metal genre, I see it more punk.
>>65500944
Well that's you.
>>65500907
thats probably for the same reason why punk isnt really evolving. Its too focused on simplicity and brutality which isnt necessarily a bad thing but its difficult to be as creative with it
>>65500436
Each of them push the genre forward, especially YOB, Subrosa and Windhand. YOB's latest release is insane and nothing like it has ever been attempted. the last Giant Squid album was insane and nothing like it had ever been attempted before. The last Earth album had shit on it I never heard before. Floor's newest album had some new shit.
And these are all just the latest releases of big name acts you might have heard of, to say nothing of all the lesser known but really exciting and innovative acts that are cropping up on bandcamp.
I don't particularly care for black metal and I have no opinion on which genre is doing better in 2016, but if you are a fan of doom metal this is a really exciting time and I think you're fucking nuts for not seeing that
>>65501002
>YOB, Subrosa and Windhand
Let's just focus on these for a second.
Please explain, briefly, how each of these pushes the genre forward.
>black metal general
>talking about doom
Fuck it let's go back to /metal/
>>65500757
>Pallbearer
I agree that there's an intentional element of throwback-ness, but it's also distinctly a progressive and forward-thinking album. You would never actually mistake this album for coming out in the early Trouble/Cathedral/Orodruin era that it evokes.
>Elder
I think they are really pushing the envelope, but they are entirely a rock band at this point and have virtually nothing to do with doom.
>Subrosa isn't doing anything of creative value really
Fuck you.
But seriously, I have seen ALL these bands in discussion, and many many more in the stoner doom continuum, numerous times over the past 1.5 decades, and seen the genres evolve in ways nobody would have suspected. I can't at all relate to your claim that shit has stagnated.
>>65501240
Pallbearer are just mixing the feeling of old school shit with techniques already tried in more progressive doom that followed the old school, who actually pushed envelopes
Whatever let's ignore Elder then
Subrosa just do mildly interesting sludge doom and then add violins and shit, and they don't do that in a particularly experimental way. That doesn't show evolution. That's gimmick, and old gimmick. That shit's been done
>>65500885
this is awesome. very unique. thanks for the rec mane
This entire thread just seems like a dialogue with two statements:
>x is doing some cool new stuff
>no they're not
>>65501408
No it's not
>>65501408
the "no they're not" side of the dialogue is just buttblasted /metal/tards who are so irrationally opposed to black metal that they feel the need to shit talk it, even when the discussion leaves their general
the point of the thread was to talk about good new black metal
>>65501514
>the "no they're not" side of the dialogue is just buttblasted /metal/tards
No they're not
>>65501062
Well, I'm surprised you disagree about YOB. If you think any band EVER pushed the genre forward in its entire history, who if not YOB?
But basically the answer is the same for all three, they find ways to use the doom methodology to create something just a little bit beyond what their predecessors achieved.
For YOB it is simply riffs that stretch out and fold in on themselves in bizarre and audacious ways, make use of syncopation that few musicians can follow and understand, etc. It's why the band has a kinda turbulent lineup history. I remember when Travis Foster joined the band, Scheidt was pretty vocal about all the crazy stuff they could now do that the previous rhythm section couldn't handle.
Windhand and Subrosa are basically backing bands for powerhouse female singer-songwriters. Windhand explicitly so, since it's just Cough + Cottrell.
Now, maybe you know about shit that I don't, but when I've heard this sort of thing done before it has either been stuff like Blood Ceremony where it's not really DOOOOM in the superheavy sense but more trad doom/classic folk metal. Windhand is one of the heaviest bands in the genre. Their sound is just absolutely crushing. Probably second only to Conan. But it doesn't obscure the most delicate and plaintive songwriting in this or any genre, when it should by all accounts just obliterate any such subtlety. Similar things can be said of Subrosa to a lesser extent.
>>65501156
Doom isn't very much discussed in /metal/ either
The alternative to /metal/ is this thread
It should be called /musically-enthusiasts-metal/ or something
>>65501624
/metal/ totally killed doom discussion in my opinion.
Shit, we used to have a Nothing But Doom Metal December month right after /nbbmn/. But it died.
>>65501621
>Yob
We're talking currently man. Yeah Yob did great shit before, but that was awhile ago, and now Yob either rehash their old shit or are just not doing anything special anymore.
>Windhand and Subrosa
You haven't told me what they do that is pushing the genre forward.
>>65501556
>>65501464
haha epic
to get this thread back on track let's post obscure demos/tapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASV878l_Glc
this is my go to "i hate everything and wish i was dead" album/ep/whatever
>>65501716
No it isn't
>>65501716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SavPVXVrvNY
Another obscure demo
>>65501707
>YOB
Even clarifying that we only mean new YOB, although I think their last several albums were disappointed, I encourage you to revisit Clearing the Path to Ascend. It's absolutely an ahead-of-its-time doom album. Some of the most inspired and innovative riffs and structures of Mike's career.
>Windhand/Subrosa
I mean, I did tell you why I thought they were. I can't convince you that I'm right, but the argument is that they are both pushing the envelope in terms of heavy amplified tone (along with lots of other bands like Conan) but simultaneously somehow not letting that obscure a greater and more subtle level of songcraft than we have seen before in the genre.
Actual unique doom metal bands:
Tangled Thoughts of Leaving
Amenra
Whitehorse
The Body
Thou
>>65501858
I know and love the last two. Will check out the others. Did you like INDIAN?
>>65501884
I've never really listened to them, but I'm a big fan of Primitive Man if they're any similar
>>65501850
>Windhand/Subrosa
That isn't innovation, at least not musical innovation, and if we're talking heaviness mixed with songwriting ability something like bongripper at their peak way outstrips them
>Yob again
No, just no. Clearing the Path was okay but had nothing on their earlier shit, and I don't see how that's innovative.
Here's the thing though, you wouldn't have a fucking clue whether or not a genre is stagnant or not because you lost the impulse of discovery.
What's more likely, there was some net change in the creativity of musicians, or you just got old and jaded?
Just ask anybody older than you when music stopped being good. Pretend that you are different.
so are we just officially /doom/ now or what
>>65501971
Who are you talking to? Just yourself? Thought you'd share some of your ramblings?
>>65501767
damn this is kvlt as shit. the heavy chugging riffs and the atmospheric synths make for a very unique sound. it's like they couldn't decide between atmoshit or riffs
here's anotha one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq1gMjlo7g8
>>65501971
this is actually a good point. but in terms of new releases that actually get to see the light of publicity and discovery, black metal is definitely at the top right now. i'm not saying there aren't some really awesome underground power/thrash/death metal bands cranking out originals stuff right now, but i certainly haven't heard of any of them.
>>65501938
I love Bongripper but please tell me what I'm missing where they have the songcraft of The Usher or Woodbine.
As to YOB, why do you keep fucking posting if your only contribution is that you disagree and think I'm wrong? I listened to YOB album by album. I remember waiting with baited breath for Catharsis to arrive in the mail on compact fucking disc. Each album had elements of progress and elements of disappointment. You can dismiss Clearing the Path, but know that a lot of people deeply into YOB's music recognize it to be their crowning achievement.
>>65501975
Since BM and Doom are not very welcome in /metal/, let's make it /blackdoom/
>>65502008
I think it obviously applies to many of the posts in the thread, namely the ones that claim that thus-and-such a subgenre has stagnated.
I don't really know black metal but I just assumed all the shit people post about in /metal/ was black metal, because I haven't heard about it and /mu/ is generally pretty, you know, elitist and hip.
Are you telling me these kids all wank over tech death all day or some shit?
>>65502159
>YOB
I just want you to try and properly explain how Clearing the Path is their most innovative work, because I don't see that at all.
>lot of people deeply into YOB's music recognize it to be their crowning achievement.
I don't think that's true.
>Bongripper
Have incredible songwriting ability, especially considering their slow droning metal. Neither album you mentioned really brought anything special songwriting wise, nothing we hadn't seen before, whereas the variety and complexity bongripper managed to put in drones is amazing.
Was Starlight Oblivion the SOTY?
>>65502015
Cool, nice and cold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaNz6K0_-9w
This is a one metal band, from my city/town. I like his project. But I don't know if you're into this
>>65502187
Like who?
>>65502280
Nothing Bongripper is doing hasn't been done before, and their songwriting really isn't too great or complex.
>>65502160
i'm kind of down. i'm also down for just making it non-/metal/ metal or something.
>>65502280
>I don't think that's true.
At least myself and 9-10 other people I know in real life and on various internet forums think this, I promise you.
>no, the bands that I like have good songwriting, the bands you like do not
This is essentially what all your arguments boil down to. I want you to explain why Bongripper's songwriting is so good the same way you want me to explain why Clearing the Path is so good. It would be easier in person as it was playing, where I could point out this and that element.
>>65502313
Are you suggesting that if I were to scroll up and start searching for posts that meet that criterion, I would fail to find any?
>>65502227
>Are you telling me these kids all wank over tech death all day or some shit?
yeah pretty much. that and slam.
see pic related for a decent introductory black metal chart. if you're interested
>>65502354
>>65502375
Sure it is. Great Barrier Reefer was a benchmark for droning doom. The drumming was top knotch and the number of dynamic changes they went through could have pack an entire other album. Or the extremes in variety that was Satan Worshiping Doom, or the highly experimental Heroin. Hippie Killer was also very progressive in it's sense of rhythm and song dynamics, moreso than any windhand album.
>>65502477
>USA
>No Havohej
>>65502290
i still haven't listened to this album because of the atrocious cover art. is it actually worth checking out?
>>65502401
No, I am asking you to provide examples.
>>65502477
Thanks, I already have that same chart saved actually.
My experience with bm is basically: when I am listening to it, I enjoy it, but I never really feel the desire to specifically put it on.
>>65502511
What is the mechanism you would like me to use to provide examples? Other than scrolling up.
>>65502505
believe me, there's a lot i would change about that chart. i just figured it would be an acceptable starting place for a noob. i haven't actually heard of havohej before though
>>65502534
I didn't say you couldn't scroll up.
>>65502363
>non-/metal/ metal
Yes, this is the idea
Actually, I was waiting for something like this to happen
>>65502540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYDpZDdU1c
One of the best USBM records ever put out
>>65502493
>Hippie Killer was also very progressive in it's sense of rhythm and song dynamics, moreso than any windhand album.
Rhythm: only in terms of # of tempo changes. Windhand uses syncopation in more interesting ways than Bongripper.
But again, your whole post is basically just a more elaborate "Bongripper is better than Windhand". You haven't really demonstrated WHY GBR was a benchmark for droning doom, you've merely claimed that it was so. For what it's worth I agree with you on that point. But it's not like you're fucking proving anything or actually demonstrating anythign argumentatively.
>>65502649
I just gave reasons of why I think BR was great at songwriting, which is what you asked me to do, and what I have done, and now you want me to explain further?
No. Fuck you. You promised me Clearing the path, you didn't deliver, so we're done. This was going nowhere anyway and we both knew it.
>>65502633
oh i've seen that cover posted a lot but i never listened because i always assumed it was a meme or a joke or something haha i'll check it out now
>>65502749
Yeah, that fucking cover is horrible. But the album is 10/10
>>65502616
i'd say it's worth a shot. this thread hasn't been a complete disaster
>>65502616
Well fuck let's just go all out and call it /hipster metal/
>>65502509
In all fairness he does it himself and says hes not great at painting
Depends, do you mind really long albums?
Every song on it is a bit gratuitous and over 15 minutes long which can get boring if you're not in the right mood to listen to it. The first time I checked it out I got bored and annoyed by the first song but came back and tried it again and appreciated it more when I listened to the whole thing.
Other than that it's just really densely layered cosmic black metal that's really good at creating atmosphere, if you havent listened to any of his stuff before listen to 'Converge, Rivers of Hell' instead to get more of a feeling of what he does
>>65502574
Let me show you in a very simple way you why are full of shit and haven't managed to argue anything:
>Sure it is. Windhand's self-titled album was a benchmark for droning doom. The drumming was top knotch and the number of dynamic changes they went through could have pack an entire other album. Or the extremes in variety that was Soma, or the highly experimental Salem's Pot split. Grief's Infernal Flower was also very progressive in it's sense of rhythm and song dynamics, moreso than any bongripper album.
Do you get it?
>second metal general
it's just gonna because as shitty as the original in a few months, come on guys. This thread is pretty nice, but I've seen shit like this happen too much, and it always results in the same thing. It's why the jazz threads are so nice, they're made occasionally, have good discussion, but don't last long enough to develop shitty memes. Let's just let these threads happen organically.
>>65502817
should have replied to >>65502735
>>65502798
forgot to add-
because Shards of Silver Fade is pretty much Converge Rivers of Hell but longer and with more space
>>65502817
I get that you have no reason to say Clearing the path is innovative, so now you're trying to shitpost me.
And I get that you're capable of switching words around.
>>65502817
Why do you only talk about pitchfork-core doom?
>>65502869
So you claimed that Bongripper had better songwriting, and I claimed that Windhand had better songwriting. I claimed that Clearing the Path was innovative, you claimed it was not. In what way have you made more of an argument or cited anything more specific than I have?
>>65502292
that logo is dope enough to capture my attention. the music sounds really good so far too. is there a download for it somewhere?
>>65502777
>/hipster metal/
those trips are making this seem pretty tempting. but >>65502838
has a good point. maybe we should only do it every once in a while
>>65502943
In what way have you explained, as you said you would, that Clearing the Path was innovative? You said you would explain this in exchange for me explaining why I thought Bongripper has better songwriting, which I have done.
So where is my explanation of Clearing the path's innovation?
You keep avoiding this. And instead of trying to reasonably argue with my pov of bongripper, you use a tactic shitposters commonly use
So I'm not seeing a reason to continue talking with you, honestly.
>>65502768
>>65502633
>I VOMIT ON GOD'S SOIL
haha this is pretty sick
>>65502943
WARNING HIPSTER DETECTED ITT
PITCHFORK CLASS DOOM HIPSTER
>>65502894
Good point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqzrYPOoQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SlcyTTVukI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hkYNcH4mME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chHWhYWN8uE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6-4AUgoBHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzV2QRKL6pw
>>65502798
>In all fairness he does it himself and says hes not great at painting
that's pretty cool i guess. i don't usually mind long albums as long as they're good. i'll probably give it a shot at some point, but like you said it might take a few listens for me to form a real opinion
>>65503025
>In what way have you explained, as you said you would, that Clearing the Path was innovative?
These were the words I used:
>>65501850
>It's absolutely an ahead-of-its-time doom album. Some of the most inspired and innovative riffs and structures of Mike's career.
As far as your:
>explaining why I thought Bongripper has better songwriting, which I have done.
Have you? You said that they had better songwriting dynamics, rhythm, etc. Hey, that's exactly the same thing as saying they have innovative riffs and structures. Actually, it's not quite as good, because riffs and structures also encompasses the harmonic qualities as well as the rhythmic, which you fail to cite in your "defense" of bongripper at all.
But ultimately, you just don't get it at all. Neither of us have said anything substantial about these bands, we're just saying variations of "no, Bongripper is better!" "no, WINDHAND is better!" "but bongripper has better rhythms!" "no, windhand does!" etc etc. How can you possibly think you've said anything more than that???
https://youtu.be/zfnPiWbGacg?t=27s
>>65502949
try soulseek. I got a CD from him a long time ago.
>>65503120
myrkur is pretty bad. i'm not gonna watch the review, but i looked at the rating and if anything, i'd say 6/10 is generous
>>65503116
So you got nothing, and there's no reason to talk to you. I got you loud and clear.
You could have just said that, instead of all this nonsense you made up.
>>65491717
Decided to actually check this out.
Hot damn this is some lo-fi ass shit. It's, well, alright.
What's actually good by this band? I've seen the name pop up a bunch. Preferably something shortish.
>>65503163
Was just trying to get his retarded "black metal must be hot" quote in here.
>>65503248
do you mean dankspell memega or deathspell omega?
>>65503248
Wait, is DankSpell Memega an actual thing?
Did someone on here do a cover or something? lol I'll check that out, if there's a link.
>But yeah, I'm listening to Deathspell Omega - Infernal Battles right now, but it's pretty ehh.
>>65503346
Whoops, I'm retarded.
Ignore the green text I'm an idiot, don't even know why thats there.
>>65503221
I don't have "nothing". You responded to a post loaded with evidence against you. You can pick it apart and respond to it if you have a counterargument, if not kindly fuck off.
>>65489973
holy shit this is fucking crazy
>>65503378
I don't see any evidence there, I see you autistically trying to string together things without connections and missing the point like you have a learning disability. Do you want me to switch around some of the words like you did to "disprove" what I said about Bongripper?
>>65503248
check out Fas – Ite, maledicti, in ignem aeternum or Paracletus. they are both around 40ish minutes long.
their Drought EP is worth checking out also.
>>65503429
thanks for all the recommendations slaves, keep bickering
>>65503429
Thank you, anon!
I'll be sure to do so. I was actually eyeing the Drought EP, because of length and that cover art is pretty sweet. If I dig it, or need more to make an opinion, I'll scoot into the others you listed.
>>65503458
thx bby. this is the black metal general after all.
>>65503417
>I see you autistically trying to string together things without connections and missing the point like you have a learning disability.
In what way have I done this?
>>65503513
These were the words you used
>>65503116
>basically all of it
And the fact that you don't realize that kind of proves my point
>>65503503
Is it? Then why are we talking about DsO and doom metal?
>>65503554
DsO is black metal
>inb4 memes
>>65503570
No it isn't, especially not Drought
>>65503586
why not
>>65503594
inb4 progressive metal
>>65503594
Because why would it be?
>>65503605
>DsO
>progressive
ayy lmao
>>65503612
what actual established genre of metal do you consider it then?
>>65503488
>>65503248
yeah definitely check out paracletus. that shit is unreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bUle4zMYqE
>>65503628
I don't consider it metal at all. Or even music. It's pure garbage.
>>65503542
The fact that you still haven't put forth an argument proves that you don't have one.
see
>>65496348
>>65503673
what makes it pure garbage?
>>65503683
Which is exactly what I was saying to you about clearing the path. Congrats retard, you've come full circle.
>>65503719
Being composed of garbage elements.
>>65503686
I see it. It's okay I guess.
>>65503757
explain. what are the garbage elements?
>>65503757
what about the elements make them garbage?
>>65503612
>why would it be
Because it shares a lot of elements of black me-
>>65503673
>I don't consider it metal at all. Or even music. It's pure garbage.
Oh, sorry, I thought having a conversation with you was possible, my bad.
>>65503770
>it's atonal and not actually pushing boundaries, __ band did this years before but better, muh dissoshit
i guarantee it
>>65503726
I put forth just as much of an argument about Clearing the Path as you have about any of your fucking asinine opinions.
I have no idea why you are such a fucking dick or why you came here to talk shit about a genre that you ostensibly like.
I've engaged with you about the SPECIFIC things you've said and you have done me no such courtesy.
I hope you enjoy whatever meager power trip you are on.
>>65503673
lol
>>65503792
rekt
>>65503795
You've done none of these things, so now you're a liar as well.
I hope you enjoy whatever mental disability you have.
>>65503770
>>65503782
Do you not understand the meaning of the word pure?
>>65503792
Who are you again?
>>65503838
>You've done none of these things
Anybody can scroll up and verify that you're full of shit. Does it hurt this badly realizing that you are utterly unable to defend your opinions to anonymous strangers on the internet that you have to intentionally lie and pretend that you don't realize how utterly rekt you are right now?
>>65503860
no, what does the word pure mean?
>>65503860
>pure
oh my fucking god lmao, go back metal archives
>>65503860
>muh trve black metal
>225 posts in
>no /hey/
smhtbhfam
who's ready for kel valhaal?
https://soundcloud.com/kelvalhaal/tense-stage
>>65503866
I could ask you the same thing. In fact, I would like to ask you the exact same thing: Does it hurt this badly realizing that you are utterly unable to defend your opinions to anonymous strangers on the internet that you have to intentionally lie and pretend that you don't realize how utterly rekt you are right now?
You haven't done shit. In fact, at one point don't you even say neither of us has said anything substantial? But know you're saying you've done all this?
IMPERIAL TRIUMPHANT
>>65503897
Google it
>>65503900
Why would I do that?
>>65503916
What does that have to do with anything?
>>65503866
>I could ask you the same thing
yes yes, we've been through that before though haven't we? remember when I re-arranged bongripper and windhand in your post that was supposedly a substantive argument about why bongripper is better?
>In fact, at one point don't you even say neither of us has said anything substantial? But know you're saying you've done all this?
This is the problem right here. Your thoughts are incoherent. Please rephrase yourself in a grammatically understandable fashion.
>>65503958
because pure black metal isn't a thing outside of "whatever albums I like".
>>65503958
that's what you fucking sound like.
>>65503958
>google it
that's not what pure means
>>65503958
you're not even trying to have a conversation. you're just being an obnoxious asshole. take your shitposting back to /metal/
"You were seeking strength, justice, splendour! You were seeking love! Here is the pit, here is your pit! Its name is SILENCE..."
>>65503943
listening for the first time. this is pretty insane. sounds like jute gyte almost
https://imperialtriumphant.bandcamp.com/
>>65503993
>>65503993
Imma level with you anon
Nothing you've typed here makes any goddamn sense. Individual words I understand, but the sentences they form are nonsensical. Could you make another pass at that?
>>65504009
If you knew what it meant why did you ask me?
>>65504000
Well you sound like a baby, but I don't tell you to go back to kindergarden.
>>65503994
Yeah but what does that have to do with anything
>>65504022
t. butthurt derpsperg ermagehrd
>>65504170
i feel like you're intentionally trying to sabotage the thread. are you really that pathetic?
>>65504170
We are making fun of you because you haven't made a single argument, and we've all heard this shit before in /metal/, where the guy hates any black metal that doesn't sound like Darkthrone and we don't want to deal with it anymore. It's shitposting of the lamest degree. If you're going to be annoying, at least make a substantial argument so we can be annoying with you.
>>65504230
No, because I'm not doing that at all.
>>65504243
I have no idea what you're talking about. My argument was that it's garbage, not that it doesn't sound like Darkthrone. And again I'm not shitposting.
>>65504304
>My argument was that it's garbage
that isn't an argument at all. We asked you to explain it and you just again told us that it's garbage. If you are too musically retarded to be able to intelligently explain why you don't like something then stop posting on /mu/.
what's some other stuff similar to Leviathan and Judas Iscariot? I'm aware of other USBM bands like Weakling and Krieg.
stuff like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtRrr08wLvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvENeQoloew
>>65504339
I am telling you that Drought is literally garbage, how much more of a basic and straightforward argument can I present?
ANYWAYS what are you jamming out to right now /bm/? this is honestly one of the scariest bm albums i've listened to
>>65504129
I'll take you through the whole fucking debacle step by step.
>1. I say doom isn't stale, we got YOB and Windhand and Subrosa.
>2. You say fuck that, explain how each of them are innovative.
>3. I say okay. I mention elements of YOBs music and say I find these elements to be innovative. I mention elements of Subrosa and Windhand's music in a similar light.
>4. You come back and say: but Bongripper also has elements of their music that are good, and they are better than Subrosa and Windhand because I say so. Furthermore, new YOB is worse than old YOB because I say so.
>5. I say, well neither of us are proving shit because it just is coming down to you like Bongripper better and I like these bands better, and if you actually do have something to say that actually proves that Bongripper is more innovative by all means bring that shit.
>6. You keep saying "no I already have" like a broken record, because you have no actual defense
I think that catches us up.
>>65504391
What makes it literally garbage?
>>65504391>how much more of a basic and straightforward argument can I present?
We don't want a basic argument, we want an informed and intelligent one that shows that you are knowledge about the workings of music and black metal. If you can't do that, fuck off.
>>65504425
He already that, he just said it was garbage again lmao
>>65504425
Because I went and bought a CD and threw it in the trash
>>65504399
Listening to some Power Electronics right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfxBz0G1R44
Some records of Striborg are all right, with good atmosphere, but others are just boring.
>>65504451
Can you give a complex argument about why it is bad? Like is this something you are capable of?
>>65504451
Why did you spend money on something you didnt listen to?
>>65504391
so far you've only presented no argument. only opinions. you cannot explain your reasoning behind your opinion of it being garbage, so we can only assume you're fucking incompetent
>>65504409
You're missing a lot of steps, unless you're saying we only exchanged 6 posts between us
please just ignore this illiterate troll he's somehow managed to derail the whole thread
>>65504399
i'm listening to good ol' filosofem. it's great night time relaxation music
>>65504478
I never said I didn't listen to it
>>65504475
I never said it was bad that it was trash.
