What made punk and grunge so popular (lyrically and soundwise) and what will the next musical revolution sound like?
>>65376832
ive been listening to DEATH and Bad Brains, any other good black punk bands?
>>65377061
The Germs, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat
All essentials
>What made punk and grunge so popular
it wasn't so much about the music, more that bunch of angst ridden brits were fed up with the way things were so they started to dress a certain way and developed a genre of music to fit their "fuck the man etc." lifestyle.
>>65377535
>black
Punk became so influential because it was a different approach to a genre of music that had become obsessed with excess. It never really became "popular" in terms of mainstream appeal until the 90's.
Grunge became popular because of metal fatigue, and it was pretty easy to market. Same with 90's pop-punk really.
Counterculture is so well understood by marketing nowadays that we will never again have an organic musical revolution that lasts more than a few months
>>65377061
Bleed the Pigs and Pure Disgust are modern punk/hardcore bands that have black singers. Trash Talk is mostly black. Templars, Suicidal Tendencies and many others have black members.
There are a lot of bands with black members, but can't think of any other exclusively black punk bands besides Pure Hell
>>65377682
No it's possible through independent labels( fugazi)
>>65377577
britpunk was not the first punk and musically was mostly just shitty pop rock, literally all they contributed was (some elements of) the look
nobody in modern punk gives a fuck about that corny-ass garbage
>>65378186
Fugazi hasn't been a band for nearly two decades.
>>65377577
>british fashion created punk
dis must be b8 m8
>>65376832
context made them popular.
the next musical revolution will be something you didn't think of or don't have the balls/skill/creativity/intelligence to do
y'know, there's a common idea among people that punk was a minor side-show that died in the 70s, but it's actually one of the musical movements that lasted the longest before it became commercialized watered-down bullshit.
early 70s punk rock, then hardcore and post-punk in the 80s, and finally riot grrl in the 90s before pop punk became a thing around the middle of the 90s. thats about 25 years of a genre people pretend didnt last more than 5 years and had no impact on music history.
>>65379467
New Wave was literally watered down punk rock for the 80s
I personally think that only those subcultures become actually popular which carry a political message of some kind:
>Punk - Anarchism (angsty working class youths pissed about the establishment)
>Hip-hop - Anti-racist (spreading awareness about the shittiness of the situation of blacks)
>Hippie - Anti-war (no nuclear bombs, no religion, free love)
>Skinhead/Goth - Borderline-fascist (militaristic aesthetic for stepping up against the yuppies)
>Indie - Anti-consumerist (artistic integrity and bullshit)
The other subcultures (emo, rave, chav, etc.) are are mostly centered around a certain set of activities and carry no message, therefore they are quite marginal and have little weight in society.
I personally believe that the next all-compassing musical revolution will be two separate, bipolared sounds:
>Some kind of Digital Hardcore-influenced, Atari Teenage Riot/Rammstein-esque sound, that has slight fascist/militarist tendencies, promotes some kind of violence, is overly controversial and reflects the fascism's growing popularity.
>Some kind of primitivist, back-to-the-roots, hippie-hipsteresque, retro sound to counterbalance the first sound. Promotes leftist, humanist values, pacifism and artistic integrity. I perceive it to be sounding like Grimes, but more un-plugged and more retro in fashion.
>>65379467
so like yr aware that punk still exists and is still going strong right
>>65379800
skinheads and goths are completely opposite ends of the spectrum and both mostly fall under punk
both of your "next trends" are already things in underground punk
fuck this board is out of touch
>what will the next musical revolution sound like?
Death Grips, obviously.
>>65378371
most everybody involved in modern punk is shit, so i believe that.
Punk music was made in an era when rock was overbloated and shallow.
Punk music brought rock back to its rebellious roots and dont give a fuck attitude, so did metal.
Another thing is that anyone could do punk, it wasnt about musical talent it was about attitude.
You just needed three chords and not to give a fuck.
Oh also punk rock was a reaction to the failure of the hippie movement.
The children of the hippies with NO FUTUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NO FUTUREEEE.
Thats what the 70's felt like
>>65379800
interesting post
Also american culture is increasingly coming to a no future movement, i could see punk coming back.
Your parents have to work till they die, their children are either neets or in massive debt.
Yet the music is nothing but EDM and rapity raps about making money.
Current music doesnt speak to aching soul of the working class
>>65380323
lol no, punk is fucking dead, it just didn't die in the '70s like Crass said it did.
