If Kurt had lived 5-10 more years (1999-2004), would he be less famous?
Yes, it's all about #27 baby.
>>65336922
Explain
>>65336859
His coolness was dried up when he died, it'd been a year or two of nothing and music was changing. He'd have turned into nobody, the guy Dave Grohl would have laughed about in interviews.
>>65336859
he wouldn't be "less famous" just not a tragic young death lost potential kind of famous
>>65336959
Dying at 27 is basically immortalizing yourself in rock music, Jim Morrison, Jimmi Hendrix, Chris Bell, D Boone, all rock legends who all died at 27.
>>65336859
I have little doubt that he'd have become a sad, washed-up rock star. The creative well tends to run dry relatively quickly for rock/pop musicians.
>>65336959
do you honestly need that explained?
>>65336859
Who knows. Who cares. Dumb subject. You're just fishing for Nirvana hate.
>>65336995
How was music changing? Also he was on tour promoting in uetero when he first tried commiting suicide.
Why did he kill himself? Still can't find answers
>>65336995
Biggest bullshit I read today.
>>65337119
It was actually getting worse. Post grunge and pop punk; green day and brit pop dying. Nu metal was starting!
The thing about Kurt is he completely fucked himself on drugs perhaps irrecoverably, and turned into a donghead. The film Last Days if you're interested
>>65337119
>>65337167
you two must be new here
that's what we like to refer to as "blatant bait"
>>65337245
I'm not baiting, its true
>>65336859
Probably, they weren't built for longevity.
>>65337142
pressured into doing it to create an image is what most people think
>>65337231
That's a fictional movie "inspired" by Kurt Cobain.
>>65337109
kill yourself
He probably would have killed himself.
>>65337081
not so much rock, but don't forget Janis Joplin and Robert Johnson
>>65337298
its your opinion. music is always changing and so did nirvana back in the day
>>65337142
He was a bi-polar heroin addict who suffered from depression, a chronic stomach pain that made life unbearable and he hated the life he had created for himself.
>>65338261
literally everyone is depressed
>>65336859
He would have ended up making softer music and been accused of "selling out" which he had done with Nevermind anyways.
Raising a child would have had an impact on his music from having an increasing apprecation for his own life. He certainly wouldn't have been Foo Fighters levels of crap, but I could only expect maybe 1 more album that would have retained some type of noisy angst. Think Surfer Rosa into Doolittle and Bossanova but never going back to release a Trompe Le Monde.
These are all hypotheticals though. There was a reason he made the music he made and that reason ultimately led to his demise, for better or worse.
>>65338327
Not clinically depressed, no
>>65338701
>"selling out" which he had done with Nevermind anyways.
[citation needed]
Daily reminder Kurt Cobain was murder you fucking idiots
>>65339289
proof?
>>65339355
Soaked in Bleach
Basically the story of the lead private investigator of the "suicide" hired after the Seattle police case closed
>>65336859
He would be our brendan fraser
I suspect he would be less famous, or at the very least there would be less universal praise for him and more opposition. There would be more underground purists hating on him for being mainstream, and more pop fans hating him for being abrasive and gloomy. He wouldn't have that untouchable aura about him.
At the same time, don't make too much of the inflation he got. He was already extremely popular, well liked, and praised. He was widely regarded as extremely important for bringing the 80s underground to the mainstream, and his fans already loved him for his honesty.
>>65336959
>this is the type of person you are arguing with on 4chan
>>65339219
I'm paraphrasing but it was his own words hence why he released In Utero (Radio Friendly Unit Shifter?).
You can hear the difference from Bleach to Nevermind.
Probably only as famous as Axl Rose or maybe even Michael Jackson.
Let's not forget that Nirvana hit top of the charts BEFORE Kurt killed himself.
But there's just as many people who would hate him as those who like him.
>>65339822
im just laughing my ass off at the thought of that
>daily threads just titled JUST with a picture of a middle aged slightly overweight balding kurt cobain with an untrimmed beard
>>65340081
Yet there is not much difference from the Nevermind demos to Nevermind, recorded for Sub-Pop before they were signed. That's not selling out, it's just the album they wanted to and were going to make anyways.
He'd be about as famous as Axl Rose is today.
>>65337231
your illiterate
>>65340600
>your illiterate
>your
the ironing is too much
>>65340656
Spotted the summerfag
>>65340240
I'm simply going by what's on record as him saying he hated the production of Nevermind for being too high-gloss. Making Albini the producer for In Utero only drives that point further.
Notice how I put selling out in quotations prior. It doesn't necessarily reflect my own views. Personally, I would simply say he had a stylistic change for the better. You can hear it in his melodies plus his song writing improved noticeably (which he placed a lower priority on, rightfully so).
He pooped, but sometimes he would turd, only to realize he shit on some crap. Occasionally fecal guano dire bleacha.
>>65341134
>I'm simply going by what's on record as him saying
No you're not, you just said you were paraphrasing him
>he hated the production of Nevermind for being too high-gloss
Only after it was a hit. He had heard the master and the band approved it, he only changed his band after it was a hit. Isn't that interesting?
>>65341497
Not him but I read somewhere Kurt saying something like 'fuck it we'll sell out and make a pop rock record.'
Its interesting reading this thread and being older and remembering the first time smells like teen spirit was on TV.
The whole Seattle wave was really of the times. Chasing trends or money was a huge no-no. It was a gen X thing, I was a bit young. We all looked up to the grunge and alt rock guys and felt a kinship with them. There was still a youth / naiveity about them. They thought they could change things.
Ethan Hawke in Reality Bites is it.
>>65340214
Thanks for that image, best laugh I had from this board today
>>65341497
Yeah, I WAS paraphrasing what he said then I followed it up with what he actually said. I'm not here to argue pragmatics so stop incorrectly nitpicking bullshit.
And yeah, I know he liked it at first, but the fact still stands that he hated it afterwards. Hence. Why. Albini. In Utero. Isn't that interesting?
You're poor at discussion since whether or not Kurt sold out wasn't even the point of my original post and you failed to address it. I'm out have a good night.
>>65338701
His acoustic stuff was his best stuff. That'd be the best turn for his career. To sell out and do smaller personal do what you want projects like Neil Young has been doing since Harvest. He's been selling records and living well, but he makes what he wants to make.
>>65338261
it's common knowledge that the stomach pain was bullshit he made up for sympathy.
>>65340180
Michael Jackson is infinitely more famous than Cobain as it is, so I don't see that happening.
>>65337820
you actually should kill yourself though
>>65342892
>Yeah, I WAS paraphrasing what he said then I followed it up with what he actually said
OK then give a [citation]
>Hence. Why. Albini. In Utero. Isn't that interesting?
And then, they had to go and polish up In utero to make it more slick. Also interesting isn't it? it's as if he was bi-polar by nature and couldn't set his mind on anything
>You're poor at discussion
It's literally not my fault you were wrong to begin with, and want to keep backpedaling
>>65343422
Oh did you know him personally?
>>65343686
http://thetalkhouse.com/buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks/
>Kurt also told me there was absolutely nothing wrong with his stomach. He made it up for sympathy and so he could use it as an excuse to stay loaded. Of course he was vomiting — that’s what people on heroin do, they vomit. It’s called “vomiting with a smile on your face.”
>>65336859
If Kurt was alive today, he would become redpilled and join the alt-right. Kurt would then team up with Billy Corgan to make a concept album about trump and hating SJWs .
>>65343767
>buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks
Not what I'm asking for. Need a primary non-bias source please
>>65343865
Why? He was an sjw when he was alive, what makes you think he would become redpilled?
His fans are all blue pilled teens I don't think he would change and risk alienating them.
>>65343895
Buzz Osbourne literally grew up in the same town as Kurt, played in Kurt's first band, and knew Kurt all the way up until his death.
>>65343913
Because of facts and logic. 99% of the time people outgrow leftist beliefs which are not bases on logic bit based on feels and propaganda. Corgan was also pretty bluepill back in the days and just look at him Now
>>65343966
He's also insanely jealous and will punch you if you mention Nirvana.
Try again.
>>65344022
>butt mad because based buzz tears down your hero complex for a dead heroin addict.
>>65337142
he didn't, courtney killed him
>>65344073
buzz is a sad grandma
>>65344073
I don't like Nirvana.
Nice try though.
>>65344094
[citation needed]
>>65344203
go to bed courtney
>>65344243
Go to bed Tom
>>65336859
Yes, for sure.
I had to think about this for a second but I think that Nirvana would have sucked after IU and just turned into another Stone Temple Pilots or some shit.
He was mostly famous just for marrying Courtney and overdosing prior to suicide apart from the band. All the voice of a generation hype started immediately after death.
>>65344427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5OlCNTgXug
>>65343686
Ok, I caved and am replying for the last time. No, I'm not citing shit especially if you won't do so as well. You rejected another dude's article as being biased and secondary and I don't doubt you're so arrogant that you will do the same to me. Let's say in some universe you're actually correct... you didn't even follow your own rules of proving your arguments correct (aka citing shit). This is literally feels like an elementary school shoutfest.
Again, you're completely missing the point (not surprised). It's not a matter of whether they polished the sound or tried to make a raw, live-sounding record. When I mentioned Albini, it was to show that In Utero had a noisier, more aggressive sound in contrast to Nevermind. If you can't differentiate between the two then you must not have ears while not being aware of Albini's style of music.
You misconstrued my words and I have to explain every detail to you because you lack even a basic level of interpretation, yet somehow I'm backpedaling? Why the fuck would I backpedal for an anon? Doesn't even make sense. And how the hell was I "wrong" to begin with? My original post wasn't even about being right or wrong, it was about offering my opinion to what potentially would've happened with his career. Once again, everything completely sailed over your head. But for some reason you're so obsessed over little shit that isn't even remotely relevant to the thread.
In regards to that guy that posted the falsified stomach problem article, I'm not sold by it but damn the autist I'm arguing with sure went about responding to it the completely wrong way.
>stomach pains a lie
>"oh did you know him personally?"
>(yeah he really fucking asked him if he knew him personally)
>anon links article
>"primary non-bias source please"
WHAT LOL. U KIDDIN RIGHT.
I'm definitely out now. Stop arguing with this guy. Hope he isn't on the high-school debate team cause he would get eaten alive.
>>65344935
Jimmies orbited
Obvius
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>>65343686
if dubs this guy likes dick
>>65344563
This This
>>65336859
probably would have started making pop music like every grunge band ever.
then we'd wish hed have killed himself. he did the right thing.
>>65345159
reroll
>>65340479
less, nirvana never were so famous, they would be other blink-182 else.
>>65345159
reroll
