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c-can we have a noise thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXqGsXg5SQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euHoHdpGOa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP_E36j-TMQ
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>>65081694
>>65082170
At least give some content or start a discussion. This is why generals are bad. We don't keep them alive to foster discussion about a topic we like - instead we keep them alive so they stay alive.
>>65082217
sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_fc6jMDcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba6O4gALBUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjmP-FmcRg
People only post music on these generals. There's very little discussion if at all in these threads. Maybe people will talk about who they are gonna go see live, but that's it.
No talk about the music's qualities.
No memes.
Nothing.
>>65081536
>>65082671
horribly entry-level links, dude
to start a little discussion: what genres/artists are you guys listening to the most, except for noise?
for me it's industrial, ambient and certain types of metal
>>65083164
s-sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1q2BTX4zWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNgWqi3JLp0
just trying to get th ethread going
>>65083259
>go to /noise/ general
>nice, a place that i can discuss noise music
>no one posts any discussion
>people mention this in meta-comments
>to get the ball rolling, someone asks the general to discuss literally any genre of music besides noise
>>65083289
stop spamming entry level shit that no one wants to discuss and discuss something you fucking idiot
>>65083351
I just found that people in these threads usually prefer the most diverse types of noise rather than a consensus of the genre (except newcomers like OP), so my assumption was that it might depend on the listening-habits outside of their noise groups. A small feedback of what those are would be interesting to me at least.
Does anyone know what disco song(s) were sampled on While You Were Out?
Well, great start. Newfriend OP - try not to post things that everybody has already heard years ago when first getting into noise.
Here's a wedding Fernow to lift spirits.
>>65083952
He's so happy.
Some dude on slsk just went offlilne, having the new "Masks" release by Sutcliffe Jugend. Was someone able to grab it?
>>65084851
I'm certain it's in the archive
>>65084974
afaik only "Offal" and "The Muse" leaked
Hi guys. I think this "music" is all unlistenable shit.
I'd like to do an experiment.
Could you please tell me who the progenitors of this "style" were?
I want to test a theory of mine.
>>65085243
Don't like it, don't come here.
>>65085268
You're the only people with the answers I seek.
Who were the poineers of this movement?
Who are the most respected in the field?
>>65085243
then you either haven't listened to enough of it, or fail to grasp the basic concept and are just outright narrowminded about art in general
to humour you though: it was largely a development out of british industrial music, and then converged with what the japanese were doing, who themselves were informed by free improv, krautrock, and jazz
cultural feedback between the two birthed the americanoise boom of the 2000s
>>65085416
>to humour you though: it was largely a development out of british industrial music, and then converged with what the japanese were doing, who themselves were informed by free improv, krautrock, and jazz
>cultural feedback between the two birthed the americanoise boom of the 2000s
Many thanks friend.
Got any names of those first few brits?
>>65085455
>>65085327
Actually thinking about this that was probably the wrong question.
It seems you think it hit its peak with the americanoise (not heard that before) offshoot.
I'm sure I remember hearing unlistenable walls of static and FX before then though. Definitely in the nineties at least.
>americanoise
This doesn't even have a wiki article.
>>65085243
There's no easy answer for that. You can trace the origins and influences back to the Italian Futurism movement but they wouldn't be considered "noise" by today's standard.
Today's interpretation of noise music as a movement is based on artists like The New Blockaders, Whitehouse or Maurizio Bianchi, the two latter more influential for the Power Electronics-sector. But noise as a genre has, as >>65085416 already stated, multiple origins, one being the Industrial movement initiated by Throbbing Gristle or even improv groups such as AMM.
>>65085455
>>65085327
you can trace similar experiments way back to musique concrete and electroacoustic artists - pierre schaefer and everybody involved with the groupe des recherches (probably spelled that wrong), morton subotnick etc
key brits: throbbing gristle, steven stapleton/nurse with wound, ramleh (and all broken flag activity), whitehouse,
important names in general are macronympha, dominick fernow/prurient (CRUCIAL imo), sam mckinlay/the rita, richard ramirez, ron lessard, skin crime, and then merzbow, hijokaiden, hanatarash, incapacitants, pain jerk, masonna
>>65085534
>unlistenable
please don't use that word
and yes, of course, i didn't mean to imply that americanoise was the 'birth' of noise in any way. nobody really got there first, at all. are you asking when the first harsh noise records came out, and who made them? or are you more concerned with flat out HNW?
>>65085613
unsurprising
>>65085649
>>65085706
Excellent answers, cheers lads.
>>unlistenable
>please don't use that word
I literally have to turn it off. I can not listen to it.
>> are you asking when the first harsh noise records came out, and who made them? or are you more concerned with flat out HNW?
I want to know as much about the first records. The origin of the scene is what interests me.
>>65085649
of course i overlooked a lot: futurism and dada laid the groundwork
groups like the haters and the new blockaders are veeeery important, too. they very much pioneered performance art (the haters was an art troupe first and foremost, only adopting noise at a much later date to provide a narrative/context) and concept in noise.
>>65085774
you should probably pick up a couple of books
check out
>Paul Hegarty - Noise/Music: A History
>David Novak - Japanoise: Music At The Edge Of Circulation
the first is pretty heavy going while the second is very easy to follow. both are extraordinarily well researched and provide an extensive reference list
>>65085811
I knew dada would be one of the influences. Saw it coming a mile off.
> (the haters was an art troupe first and foremost, only adopting noise at a much later date to provide a narrative/context) and concept in noise.
This doesn't surprise me.
>>65085880
Cheers, made a note of those titles.
>>65085774
>I literally have to turn it off. I can not listen to it.
sorry to hear. are you one of those standard /mu/ guys who picked up veneorology or pulse demon on an off-handed comment? noise is an enormous world and there is much more to it than just harshness and static
it's sad that two of merzbow's worst works are parroted around by people clueless of the genre based off of nothing but their notoriety
>>65085952
I like everything apart from noise really. Grindcore, classical, ambient, metal, indie, (some) rap, country, jungle, techno, etc.
I'm fairly open minded.
>>65085952
>sorry to hear. are you one of those standard /mu/ guys who picked up veneorology or pulse demon on an off-handed comment? noise is an enormous world and there is much more to it than just harshness and static
I've tried clicking about ten different random links from noise threads, couldn't tell you what they were. They all sounded awful.
>>65085919
I don't understand what your deal is? Just because you learn about the origins of a genre it isn't like you suddenly start to enjoy the more recent acts. It helps comprehending the ideas and the scenes in general but otherwise I don't see how you think all the information helps.
>>65086102
You mistake my intentions - I don't think learning about the start of the genre will make me appreciate it more.
>>65086102
He said he wanted to test a theory. I guess it will sound something like "haha ! because of the data I collected I can safely say that noise is retarded because x".
Listening to Offal from Sutcliffe Jugend right now, really good.
>>65086083
yellow swans - going places. should get you started
>>65086212
yeah, I assume something in the same vein
I'm the one who shared it in an former thread, glad you like it as well. For me power electronics-album of the year by now.
>>65086212
>He said he wanted to test a theory. I guess it will sound something like "haha ! because of the data I collected I can safely say that noise is retarded because x".
You're not that far off actually, but it wasn't that.
I had already done that by collecting data on it with my ears, and can firmly say it's retarded on that evidence alone.
>>65086259
>yellow swans - going places
Actually the least harsh tune I've ever heard reccommended in these threads. I didn't have to turn it off. Well, I did turn it off, but I could have stood it.
Skipped through to a few different parts of the album. Generic swooshy synth noises, very little melody, but at least it wasn't all just radio static sent through a distortion pedal.
>>65086357
this tells more about you, when the only non-negative reaction of yours comes from one of the most entry-level noise there is
just stay out of the genre if you can't process it
>>65086495
>just stay out of the genre if you can't process it
I'm already doing that. It's not what I put on to listen to when I want to hear music.
>>65083289
i for one love kazuma kubota a lot, always nice to see him mentioned
>>65086284
>I had already done that by collecting data on it with my ears, and can firmly say it's retarded on that evidence alone.
from - quote - "ten different random links"? come the fuck on. you didn't even finish the most entry level noise record of all time and you're already casting judgement.
i really hope for your own sake that you actually do some proper research into the genre, and either read something enlightening or find a record that you love, and you're not just another shitty /mu/ tourist who is all too keen to mindlessly shit on something they don't understand
>>65087193
>from - quote - "ten different random links"? come the fuck on.
Why? This works with every other genre.
Why should noise be so special? The answer is that it isn't.
>>65087323
if you came across your favorite genre by doing exactly this, you might consider the possibility that you're just a shallow listener
>>65087381
Yeah yeah, I'm sure it's 2deep4me.
>>65087432
That's not what he's even saying you fucking moron, but way to prove him right regardless.
>>65087462
Well he was saying bullshit that had no context to the post he was replying to either, so he asked for it.
>>65087381
>if you came across your favorite genre by doing exactly this, you might consider the possibility that you're just a shallow listener
Have you ever found a new genre, listened to ten random artists from it, thought "this is unlistenable" and then later on go on to have that genre become your favourite?
>>65087482
No he wasn't, you're just an idiot. Try actually reading the post again. You said that listening to ten random links works for every artist, and he said that it doesn't, and that picking a favorite from that shows that you're a shallow listener because you're not exposed to the depths of the genre you want to explore. To which you responded with a meme that itself doesn't make sense to the context of the conversation. You really are just a newfag kid coming to /mu/ for Death Grips aren't you?
>>65087550
>You said that listening to ten random links works for every artist,
Nope, I said it works for genre, not artist.
Please try reading things more carefully.
>>65087550
>You really are just a newfag kid coming to /mu/ for Death Grips aren't you?
I'm an old fart who's probably old enough to be your dad.
>>65087569
Typo. Want to address the rest of the post?
>>65087547
Ten random artists does not necessarily demonstrate the entirety of a genre. You could literally have just clicked links to ten artists that copied one another or that sound the same and don't exhibit the depths of the applicable genre.
>>65081536
post the pastebin you fucking faggot http://pastebin.com/PhhV6eSx
no one gives a shit about entry level noise youtube links
>>65087547
First, it wasn't "ten random artists" but "ten random youtube videos" (I guess not even in full), and second, I personally found noise to be stupid as well, but got accustomed over the years and by now it's my favorite music, so there's that. So why does it seem impossible to you that your listening habits or your taste in general might change in a couple of years?
>>65087603
>Ten random artists does not blah blah blah
You didn't answer the question. I can only assume this is because you didn't like the answer you would be forced to give.
>>65087635
>So why does it seem impossible to you that your listening habits or your taste in general might change in a couple of years?
It seems unlikely that I will go from liking every genre apart from noise to liking every genre and noise as well.
It's been the only genre I've never seen the beauty in.
>>65087647
Just because someone never had that happen makes it impossible? How about having started into a genre in a different way than clicking ten random links? Are you stupid? How about you prove that ten random links demonstrates the depth of an entire genre like you're implying.
these generals really should be put out of their misery
>>65087696
>Just because someone never had that happen makes it impossible?
It makes it very fucking unlikely, let's just say that.
>How about having started into a genre in a different way than clicking ten random links?
Yes, I've done that plenty of times in the many decades I've been on this earth. We did listen to music before the internet you know.
>Are you stupid?
No.
>How about you prove that ten random links demonstrates the depth of an entire genre like you're implying.
This is a fallacy. I never said that. I said you could tell whether it was worth continuing to listen. In Every other case, for every other genre, I have said "yes, sure, I'll give it more of a chance". But not with noise. It's even called "noise", how stupid are you fucks that lap this up?
I bet there are no listeners and the only posters here are the idiots that shit out this crap.
>>65087685
Why is noise so special in that regards? Do you enjoy stuff like lowercase, field recordings, eai or musique concrete?
>>65087791
The only one of those I've heard of is field recordings and I wasn't even aware that was classed as music.
>>65087779
So someone can't enjoy sounds? Why are you here whining if you don't like it? You seem pretty upset about something people like. Let me guess, you think it doesn't take effort? Which means you don't actually know what you're talking about. Don't like it, don't come here.
>>65087779
i like noise. i put on albums to listen to regularly. why is this so unfathomable? i like the way it feels/makes me feel. yeah, it's different. but also there's nothing really to 'get'. yeah, it's named 'noise'. why do you expect it to be something more? it's sounds and I like hearing them while I do something else.
>>65087821
Why would noise be classified as music in your opinion then? Wouldn't it be way easier for your argument to dismiss it as "not even music", rather than admitting you're just not into (or even aware of) abstract music?
>>65087891
>So someone can't enjoy sounds?
I like proper soundscapes, like Eno's Music For Airports.
>Why are you here whining if you don't like it?
I got time to waste, and I wondered what the people who like this sort of music are like.
>You seem pretty upset about something people like.
Nope.
>Let me guess, you think it doesn't take effort? Which means you don't actually know what you're talking about. Don't like it, don't come here.
It takes very minimal effort.
I'm a musician. I play multiple instruments and have for probably longer than you have been alive.
I know exactly how much effort goes in.
>>65087896
Now this is pretty much the only response so far I can understand and dig. I get it.
I never really thought that no one would like it, I know some people do. I was just interested in the mindset.
>>65087978
>Why would noise be classified as music in your opinion then? Wouldn't it be way easier for your argument to dismiss it as "not even music", rather than admitting you're just not into (or even aware of) abstract music?
That's not an either or statement, I do both of those things.
>>65088000
>proper
Based on what? What you think is proper?
>It takes very minimal effort
It takes arrangement, mixing, mastering, production skills, and an ear for sounds and how to compose a complex track, along with use an know-how of equipment and audio. Many noise musicians also have plenty of experience in traditional music as well, incorporating them into their work. Some even craft their own instruments. Don't make claims about things you don't actually know about or have experience in.
guys, stop wasting your time with this old fuck who apparently isn't interested in a constructive discussion
What are some recent discoveries you made?
>>65088089
>It takes arrangement, mixing, mastering, production skills, and an ear for sounds and how to compose a complex track,
It takes none of that shit. just get a synth with some drone notes, a delay pedal and a distorion pedal and sit in a room and smell your own musicla farts for an hour. Voila, a noise album.
>along with use an know-how of equipment and audio.
Yes, you have to know how to plug the distortion pedal into the casio etc
>Many noise musicians also have plenty of experience in traditional music as well, incorporating them into their work. Some even craft their own instruments.
I hit pots and pans when I was a kid as well.
>Don't make claims about things you don't actually know about or have experience in.
I am a qualified sound engineer m8
>>65087732
Agreed. These threads almost always turn out to be very negative and filled with drama. It's embarrassing.
>>65088160
>It takes none of that shit
Great fucking argument
>>65088151
Yeah, I really wish the others in these threads would stop responding to anyone who comes in and tries to derail the conversation.
I've been rediscovering how much I love Incapacitants... Particularly "No Progress" and "Sarin Will Kill Every Bad Aum". Also I've been into Aaron Dilloway's Spine Scavenger project.
As for new discoveries, I got to see Jeff Carey perform a couple months ago. We live in the same city, but I never really had an opportunity to go to any shows he was playing at.
https://jeffcarey.bandcamp.com/album/decay-ep
>>65088355
I always liked Incapacitants more than Hijokaidan, the density always appealed more to me than the full band setup where you can still recognize the distorted guitars. I recently got the Box is Stupid-set and I'll try to power through it, perhaps on NBND.
Right now my favorite is As Loud As Possible and your mentioned releases are from the mid-nineties as well so someday I wondered if they were still good and listened to "Mon, Ma? Mon!!!" and was pleasantly surprised they're still doing well: recommended listen.
>>65083289
thanks for posting this, im only just getting into noise,
>>65083382
people have to start somewhere pleb
>>65088836
That's not his point. These threads severely lack discussion and mostly consist of link after link after link.
>>65088866
i know what his point was, but this thread has lots of discussion? its all good no need to start arguments my man
>>65088160
Then why don't you make a noise album if it's so easy and don't say it's beneath you because according to you the whole process is so simple chimps can do it
>>65084851
Goddamn it, if i were at home probably would have grabbed it
anyway, here's my pastebin from last thread
http://pastebin.com/UaCR81TB
i suggest people who share stuff do the same, maybe we can start the threads like /classical/ does. we kinda did for a time with Xern0n's
>>65089376
I'll post one later, thanks for the list
Rate my noise track /mu/
I'm too scared to post it in the /prod/ thread, last time I did that it didn't go well.
https://clyp.it/m3ukhihp
>>65089622
here's my small list I currently have: http://pastebin.com/dSrHz5Xv
>>65088160
It is all about arrangement of timbre.
Noise music crafts soundscapes across the planes of timbre. Clearly that is unenjoyable to you, but it is not easy to make a cohesive noise album. You are being quite arrogant.
Idk if /noise/ or /drone/ but Mammifer is an excellent group. Similar to Kevin Drumm. There's a female singer.
>>65090903
Mamiffer is more ambient drone/post rock and imo not really similar to KD. What releases of Drumm do you know?
>>65090991
I only know of "Everything's Going along as usual and then all shit breaks loose"
When I saw them live, a girl sang into a mic, and messed with its feedback. A guy played bass and messed with its feedback. A guy with guitar did the same. They held long droning feedback. It was almost wall like. Reminiscent of that release from Drumm.
>>65090903
hmm they've done an album with Daniel Menche, i'll look them up
>>65090665
Thank you so much <3 for the shares and for giving a shot to my idea. Next thread i'll post all the /noise/ pastebins i'll have in the OP
What do you make of these guys? They're a French duo.
https://envelopephilter.bandcamp.com/album/have-you-the-time-to-fall-away
>>65091162
Well that's not unusual that bands try more experimental settings for live gigs. I guess they played something which would fit in the "soft noise"-chart? Try the chart if you liked it and that Drumm-album is actually pretty good.
>>65090816
>It is all about arrangement of timbre.
I think these guys
>>65091229
>https://envelopephilter.bandcamp.com/album/have-you-the-time-to-fall-away
Are good at that.
>>65085952
>it's sad that two of merzbow's worst works
OUT
>>65091229
>envelope philter
This is ungooglable.
Does anyone ever post anything in these threads that people don't like?
How do you tell the difference between good noise and bad noise?
How to unpleb?
>>65085243
This dude
>>65094935
THANK YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHJySm7ZO0
This is very useful to me for a number of reasons.
What a strange old sound. Imagine hearing that back in the day.
>>65094664
the shit people dont like generally speaking is when people self-promote their soundcloud/bandcamp
noise is all noise, but generally speaking many people consider "good" noise something what isnt just a noise wall, but rather something that has lots of texture and depth to it, take for ex.
>>65083289
(upper link)
i cant help you to unpleb, because pleb or not, we all are here just to listen/discuss music
and shitpost
A LOT
>>65083164
They're entry level but not horrible
>>65095247
>the shit people dont like generally speaking is when people self-promote their soundcloud/bandcamp
Why not, if the music is good?
>>65095247
>the shit people dont like generally speaking is when people self-promote their soundcloud/bandcamp
Which is funny considering we had a chart of the thread community's bandcamp/soundcloud noise artists in 2014. Really pisses me off that this place has grown accustomed to vilifying anything released on bandcamp. One of the reasons discussion here is so limited, because everyone just wants to talk about the same artists. And even then, all it is is commenting on a new release or posting links with "Man I love Prurient" or something similar. It would be great to talk about concepts once in awhile.
>>65095428
Most of the time it seems people don't even bother with bandcamp or soundcloud links. Occasionally an artist with effort will be commented on, but it's short lived. This is because the spam of low effort projects with MS paint covers and "i don't know what to title" titles without any conceptual direction is often posted here.
>>65095486
>Which is funny considering we had a chart of the thread community's bandcamp/soundcloud noise artists in 2014. Really pisses me off that this place has grown accustomed to vilifying anything released on bandcamp. One of the reasons discussion here is so limited, because everyone just wants to talk about the same artists. And even then, all it is is commenting on a new release or posting links with "Man I love Prurient" or something similar. It would be great to talk about concepts once in awhile.
I think this is because there's a very "samey" feel to this music, and no one wants to be the one to say something is good unless lots of other people have already.
And once something is accepted as no one will say the emperor is naked.
I recommend Ramleh - Hole in the Heart
>>65095147
Yeah I'd probably move into more futurist stuff and musique concrete after Russolo
Been ages since I posted anything here, I'm working on an EP at the moment. I have this field recording track up which has some pretty sweet sections in it which I'm utilising for a track.
https://soundcloud.com/minimalimpactnoise/tristan-eyles-drain-session-crashing-with-air-conditioning-unitwav
I make ethereal power electronics with accoustic instrumentation...
https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/so-so-sufferers
And harsh rhythmic electronic...
https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/warer
>>65099721
what are you even doing here anymore?
>>65099852
He sounds like he fits the genre.
>>65099946
i think the implication was that he's too developed for /mu/
in other news my unknown rains tape came today, the packaging is beautiful
>>65100666
>unknown rains tape came today, the packaging is beautiful
Show, satan.
Hey guys, I'm new to the genre, and I'm wondering if you can rec me some good shit with vocals. rn I'm really digging wolf eyes and whitehouse (I know they aren't noise, but this is the best place to ask)
>>65102113
sure thing
here's the outer that everyone's seen before. the twine was wrapped and knotted in a much more elaborate way - i haphazardly twiddled it back around after playing the tape a few times. honestly the thing was a fucking puzzle to open
>>65103749
...and the back
>>65103772
inner
>>65103791
the inserts are sweet
>>65103807
double sided!
>>65103816
and here's a closeup of the lyrics
honestly, this is some of my favourite material he's done in a while. the first track is fucking stunning, and 'in the ruins of my brother' is a total wormhole. the overdriven post-rocky guitars are a nice touch that didn't go amiss.
just in terms of the presentation of the whole thing, and the mood that's evoked with this tape - stellar. really, really moving. it's definitely a continuation of what fernow was exploring on 'unmasking the insect'
considering picking up some books on WWI
>>65083289
S-stuttering online is l-literally gayer than p-posting a picture of a colossal d-dragon d-dildo shoved twenty five centimeters up your r-rectum.
i also grabbed this, which is FUCKING KILLER and super overlooked imo. there's a snippet on the third track of dom and kris lapke reciting the lord's prayer together, and they both sound really young. i'm not sure if lapke's balls had dropped yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9A7YMyNfU
>>65103903
dildos aren't gay
Resurrection bump.
>>65103749
>>65103772
>>65103791
>>65103807
>>65103816
>>65103869
Looks beautiful, thanks for posting.
Got my No Rent package today : Sapphogeist, Radboud Mens and the new Jason Crumer. I haven't listened to the two first yet, but the Crumer album is growing on me, although not as good as Walk With Me or Ottoman Black.
>>65102524
Power Electronics is what you're looking for
>>65087732
They were fine about a month ago when people didn't take the bait and just posted noise
