Half the album is just self-indulgent revenge porn bullshit for teenage girls with perpetual victim complexes. People really think "middle fingers up, put your hands high. Wave them in his face, tell him boy, bye" is badass women's empowerment. And that "that you took for granted, most bomb pussy" is anything more that appealing to "yaass bitch" white girls and gay guys that just want to reaffirm that Beyoncé still fits into their weird, selfish, insecure perception of "savage."
>>64367906
I don't care about any of this.
All I know is that in terms of the music that's on it, it can be compared to Blurryface - it's essentially boring and not that well written pop, and when it does experiment or try new sounds, the outcome is so ridiculously diluted and banal that they may as well have not bothered because it doesn't actually add anything.
It is also similar to Blurryface in the way that it was literally made for tumblr
>>64367981
But yaaaaaaaaas queen u tell em, amirite?
why is it called "lemonade"
>>64368069
cause she's bitter as fuck
>>64367906
it's just boring. And it's the same Beyonce themes she's always blathered on about but just cruder
Is beyonce even fucking black
>>64368206
Yes but she clearly had some kind of skin lightening treatment done no matter how much she denies it
>>64368240
Plus her hair is constantly straighened out and bleached blonde
She looks like 1/4 black
I dont understand why people say she's such a body positive role model for black women when the message she sends is "light skin and hair is attractive"
Congradulations america good job well done guys were so good at this
>>64368104
That's literally it. It says so in the spoken word segments
beyonce knowles
kevin garrett
james black
thomas wesley
erza koenig
emile haynie
joshua tilman
uzoechi
sean
rhoden
p/k/a
doc pornus
mort shuman
deandre way
antonio randolph
kelvin mcconnelll
brian chase
kevin orzolek
nick zinner
jack white
diana gordon
james page
robert plant
john paul jones
john bonham
corey jackson carter
abel tes
danny schofeld
bien diehl
terius
ahmad
boots
david portner
noah lennox
brian weitz
burt bacharach
hal david
kevin cossum
alex delicata
mike dean
ingrid burley
vincent berry
malik yusef
midian mathers
jonathan coffer
carla maria williams
dean mcintosh
kendrick duckworth
frank tirado
alan lomax
john lomax sr
timothy thomas
theron thomas
Ilsey juber
akil king
jaramye daniels
andre benjamin
patrick brown
antwan patton
khalif brown
jordan frost
ashton hogan
michael len williams II
Ironically the only people who care about this mediocre pop trite are white people with thick glasses in their 20s
>>64368389
>being a generalfag
i sincerely hope you die of a painful disease
![darksouls3-1438705394126_large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8TENDQQ.jpg "darksouls3-1438705394126_large[1].jpg")
why did she copy the DS 3 cover ?
>>64367906
>makes a relatable album for black women living in American society
>straight white males: "I don't even get it, this is nothing to me, it's automatically bullshit because I don't understand it"
You get this album is a lot about her personal life as well as prejudices as AA, a women, And the combo of the two, right? I don't think the lyrics in this album are difficult to decipher. You don't have to throw a macho man fit because you can't relate.
>>64369921
please
tumble away from /mu/ forever
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>>64369921
freedom of speech lad
that album is shite and beyonce's persona is:
>absolutely unrelatable for anyone
>annoying
>hypocritical
>complaing about some radio pop that was just made to sell
Go away
>>64369983
>Freedom of Speech
Lol the classic fallback
>>64370028
forgot you people don't like freedom of speech do you
Oh look, it's another /pol/ masquerading as music discussion thread.
If you don't like the album, move on and listen to something you actually enjoy like a normal person.
>>64370047
>I don't understand what freedom of speech is and rather than research what it actually means I'll shout it out the second I receive any vague criticism
Well played, good sir!
>>64370047
This is hate speech
>>64370050
People rip on albums all the time you fucking dumbass. Except this time it's not allowed cause she's black, right?
>>64370028
>Freedom of Speech
>Lol the classic fallback
>>64370047
You people? Your racism is showing dude. I'm white and yeah I like freedom of speech, but so does Donald Trump and anyone else. Like yeah, you have the freedom to say what you want. Doesn't mean it's right, informed, or backed by any facts, but still the freedom to spout "Hitler did 9/11 in an underground bunker"
>>64370028
not a fallback m8 I just don't like neither the album nor the artist in general
I'm not even white btw
she's a fucking nigger what the hell did you expect?
>>64370102
People are free to complain about the musical quality of an album. Every thread about this is "le SJW!!! black lives matter!!! fuck feminism!!!" bait tier.
Kys my friend.
![1461688662854[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JHrcZaM.jpg "1461688662854[1].jpg")
>it's another 'white hipsters defend black music in order to try and get a girlfriend' thread
PROVE TO ME
I'M NOT GONNA BAIT ALONE
why don't you guys just leave these rants in a rym review and get on with your life instead of making these threads everyday and then complaining about mu talking about pop music too much?
>>64370166
sick feetgloves
>>64370116
it's a fall back because it makes zero sense in this context and generally speaking alt-right reactionaries like you have no idea what it actually means
you've done the same thing every retard like you does, you've derailed a conversation so people have to explain to you the basic definition of something you're either too stupid to understand or too dishonest to leave out of an argument it doesn't belong in
Threads like this just shows people on this board do not understand racism because they've never experienced it firsthand
>inb4 "reverse racism" lol
>>64370113
>Your racism is showing dude
just stop replying now
>>64370166
>the only reason people aren't bigots is because they're trying to get laid
I know this is how your mind works but it's not true for the people you attack. You guys are really bad at using insults that actually have a chance of striking a chord with people. Instead you project your own fears (e.g. le cuck meme) that have zero effect on normal, well reasoned people.
>>64370145
Holy shit america. Why is this culture growing?
Not that is wrong to fight for your rights or equality, but this is bullshit. What went wrong and what can we do to prevent any further spread?
>>64370166
It's all bait. Even the media write ups and think pieces. Nothing of it means anything. It's just an average pop album
you fags can sit and complain about black people and this album all you want because nobody cares about 4chan, the rest of the world is progressing while you idiots sit in your little cave hating the world. what a sad way to live
>>64370145
>Muh Equality
>Cant even have an opinion on a shitty pop album because it wasnt "made for me"
What a time to be alive
>>64367906
This is literally Beyonce since the beginning of her career though. This fake uproar you're projecting isn't real. No one has ever cared what Beyonce says or does. This is a product being used in a culture war by both sides.
If you really cared, where were you people for the rest of her career? Single Ladies, Irreplaceable. It's all the same shit. Hood music for normies/secretaries/medical coding assistants. No one who's really into music as an artform takes this stuff seriously.
>>64370275
Here's what you do:
a) realize that a single screen cap of a single person does not represent the opinions of an entire group of people
b) feel bad that it took you a single jpg image from 4chan to question where "american culture" went wrong
>>64370234
There literally is no such thing as reverse racism. Robert Mugabe's cronies chasing white people out of their farms with machetes and machine guns is the same thing as Klan members slaughtering cows on people's porches
>>64370260
To Worship Queen Bey is a revolutionary act.
>>64370320
Here's your (You)
>>64367981
this
>>64370102
You know that's not what's happening at all
>>64370310
Culture war between who exactly?
>>64370312
Nice assumptions.
>>64370312
wrong post, meant to quote >>64370266
>>64370320
>corporate bourgeoisie pop star
>revolutionary
>>64370359
Did you mean to quote yourself? You're the one who made a generalization based on a single image.
>>64370373
>taking bait
>>64368285
she's creole lmao and yes she's black
>>64370234
you're right, reverse racism is literally just racism.
>>64370348
Social progressives vs. the alternative right.
His first paragraph was spot on. The second was trash.
>>64370113
>defending free speech
>"Your racism is showing dude"
(You)
>>64367906
I appreciate that you actually listened to it before forming an opinion, but you're still wrong. I don't see any indication that the performance is calculated in the way you're describing. It would make a lot more narrative sense to make an album about domestic bliss, raising a baby, Jay Z's dick etc.
>>64370515
>free speech protects me from criticism
honestly you should stop talking about things you don't understand
>>64370317
>>64370411
No?
It'd be different if black people colonized, created a society for only one color and creating a facade for it. But no. Chris Columbus did that. It's called institutional racism. It prevents people of color from doing normal things like getting a job, a home, justifying police killings (which is wrong in general; an officer is not a judge). Again, you haven't experienced this so you wouldn't know.
>>64370443
It's like Weimar Germany all over again, just with more Autism
>>64370565
You're likely debating with Trump supporters from /pol/. It's a waste of time, dude.
>>64370047
your under arrest for this one
>>64370050
>everyting I don't like is pol
the world is gonna be a scary placefor you when you finally crawl out of mom's basement.....
>>64367906
>caring this much
why can't you faggots just talk about your pop culture on facebook like you used to
>>64370047
I just notified the feminist cabal. You are under arrest and must undergo mandatory sensitivity training via criticism on internet forums.
There's almost an endless supply of music you could ever possibly hear, and /mu/ is talking about a mediocre pop album with hamfisted political messages. This is what you're spending your life doing right now. Think about that. You are taking your valuable time to post about this album when you could be doing so many other things with your life.
I'm disgusted. Totally disgusted. You should all feel embarrassed for yourselves if you have a shred of dignity and self-respect.
>>64370565
Your definition of racism is based around a sociological theory of racism rather than the actual definition though.
>>64370588
Not from America and personally don't care enough about Trump to even research any of his policies.
>>64370558
The conversation was literally about the right to be able to say things about certain subjects not limited by colour?
In other words you are a fucking moron
>>64368378
You forgot Piero Scaruffi.
>>64370630
I do go outside. I've encountered people who don't like artists like Beyonce. None of them preface it with a rant about cultural marxism and social justice. I think you're the one trapped in mommy's basement if you think this kind of /pol/ rhetoric is common in the real world.
>>64370649
Well racism isn't a two way street when politics and the people who run this country and make most of the decisions have the upper hand.
>>64368378
What
>>64370647
you're also talking about it and I'm disgusted by you
>>64370348
It's a record that normal suburban mainstream folks might like cause it's Beyonce. It's a product, nothing more, nothing less.
The complaint I am hearing is that white leftist liberals in the media are falling all over themselves to crown this record as epic. That's distasteful but essentially harmless. But it's the people who you might suspect who are manufacturing controversy to it, on both sides. And it's a familiar dichotomy by this point. BLM/SJW/Tumblr/Da joos versus muh proud white race under attack types, though it's the latter who start these threads ad nauseum. I don't believe they actually care about Beyonce or the music at all, they're just following their scripts and marching orders.
Meanwhile say you did have a legit complaint about the production or something. Not going to get heard. Say you liked some of the songs a lot. Not going to get heard. Internet is cancer right now for this shit. There's a lot of people stuck in the middle who don't give a shit about left wing or right wing provocation and agitation. We just like music.
At war with themselves basically, to answer your question. No one else cares.
>>64370145
Does anyone else feel like this comes across as "let them have their own little thing" type of comment??
Pretty racist 2bh.
>hyperliberal
>intersectional feminist; socialist, etc
>can't fucking stand Beyonce's manufactured garbage shoced down people's throats to "empower them"
She's a treat that sells well that the masses can turn to and pretend they have representation while all the people running the scene are actually white and profiting off her
Fuck Beyonce
>>64370690
>judging people based on race is dependent on whether or not someone of a similar complexion is in a position of power or not
>>64370654
See >>64370593
I hope you like prison bc you've messed with black women for the last time
>>64367906
I doubt that Beyoncé had much to do with the album. This thing was made to be controversial by coming off as experimental and conducive to Jay Z memes to get people talking about it. You all took the bait
And >>64370737 perfectly sums up what i was saying in >>64370718
Wise
>>64370747
SHIT
>>64370654
It was? Whose rights are being challenged here?
Is the government threatening to arrest you for criticizing Beyonce? No?
I'm not trying to be a dick here, you seriously don't understand what freedom of speech is or what that civil liberty entails. Your rights (and no one else for that matter) are in question here. If you think that you have a critical misunderstanding of what rights you actually have.
>>64369921
It's not even written by her. It's written by a bunch of black and white guys trying to pander to women. Fucking Father John Misty wrote some of the lyrics and melody of one of the songs. If that screams empowered black woman you probably need to rethink.
>>64370747
Bazinga!
This controversy is manufactured bullshit. If feminists hadn't spammed "ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE" no one would care about Beyonce's new shitty album.
>someone says white people can't talk about this album
>white people cry "why not" for last three days instead of just talking about it and moving on
are the people you discuss music with the same people who are saying you can't discuss it? probably not so why blow it out of proportion?
>>64370775
Yet again you've proven you don't understand the conversation we're having.
We are talking specifically about people being able to say what they want about certain things (in this case, Lemonade), without having their opinions be reviled or discarded due to race or background. That is regressive, inherently.
>>64370190
>you've derailed a conversation
no I haven't, everyone should be encouraged to express his opinions. I "get" what the album is about, but she comes off as very disingenuous and musically speaking it is a subpar pop album
>>64370829
>If feminists hadn't spammed "ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE" no one would care about Beyonce's new shitty album.
[citation needed]
inb4 you quote the one twitter image
>>64370857
Explain why shit like this gets hundreds of retweets.
How would you feel if it was "white men are all kings" instead?
Marxism-Leninism Beyoncé Thought
>>64370857
>[citation needed]
Hello Beyonce's marketing campaign, white men don't care about Beyonce and you know it. I'm sure dumb women would've discussed this album no matter what but white men would've said "There's a new Beyonce album? Meh, whatever." and moved on.
>>64370897
You do realize that black people are affected by systemic racism and a culture that tells them theyre inherently worth less than whites right?
Whites dont need the "king/queen" bullshit because we know we're at the top of things
>>64370847
Even if it were true that people's opinions were being discarded for poor reasons, this still has dick all to do with freedom of speech or your constitutional rights. You've used this terminology throughout the thread, only now are you moving the goal posts.
You've exposed yourself as uninformed, just move on and stop using "free speech" as an argument.
>>64370850
No, not every opinion should be "encouraged." If you come into my home, I am not going to encourage you to tell me all about your holocaust denial conspiracies, I'm going to call you a moron and kick you out of my house. Your civil liberties are not being challenged, so when you scream free speech you just expose yourself as a moron.
>>64370897
Obvious pandering gets retweets for obvious reasons
>>64370954
>You do realize that black people are affected by systemic racism and a culture that tells them theyre inherently worth less than whites right?
This is literal conspiracy theory nonsense
>>64367906
It's starbucks music for the starbucks crowd.
Sure you and I won't like it, find it vapid and dull.
But it fulfills it's purpose, regardless.
>>64370954
Systemic racism is a spook
>>64370954
>Its ok when we do it
Just as expected, fuck off back to Tumblr.
>>64370857
Beyonce's audience is women and gay men, this board is mainly straight men. If this manufactured controversy hadn't happened only a small handful of people would've discussed this album on here.
>>64370897
I asked you to provide evidence that "feminists" are spamming "ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE"
You've provided an unrelated image and a red herring. Bravo.
>>64370926
>quotes my request for a citation
>provides none
You guys are pretty stupid.
>>64370954
Lot of white chicks dig the queen thing bruh.
Lotta fine ass ones too.
>>64370954
>You do realize that black people are affected by systemic racism and a culture that tells them theyre inherently worth less than whites right?
No they don't, fuck off
>>64370992
a y y l m a o
>being this blatantly wrong
>>64371013
Are you seriously too stupid to see through Beyoncé's marketing tactics?
>>64371013
I wasn't the guy you were replying to.
>>64370963
let's use another example since yours is shit
I come to your house and tell you your favourite dish is terrible, and tell you exactly why I think so. Am I hurting anyone? Am I trying to change your mind? fuck no I'm just saying what I think and there's nothing wrong with that
>>64371002
that isn't me. also LOL at the irony of "muh free speech" while you tell people with different opinions to leave
>>64371009
again, zero citation provided for this alleged conspiracy to silence white dudes or something. if I ask for evidence you can't just reword your argument
Beyonce was literally never good
>>64370992
>>64370998
>>64371002
>>64371026
Gee, i wasnt aware so many experts on social affairs came to /mu/
Being an urban teacher, it's kinda my job to research and understand what my students face
You're all definitely not in that position. I doubt any of you even know what redlining is
>>64371065
>LOL at the irony of "muh free speech" while you tell people with different opinions to leave
>>64370558
>>64371002
minorities were treated as jokes in the media up until the last few decades and are still shown as stereotypes today what's wrong with them feeling empowered?
>>64371065
>alleged conspiracy to silence white dudes
What? I'm saying that Beyonce is manufacturing controversy to sell records.
>>64370963
>moving the goal posts
and we're at meme arguments
well done, knew you had it in you
No - you've just failed to read the conversation and now you've realized that you've fucked up, so you're pretending you've won the argument.
You're a fucking idiot and I'm going to say what I want about Beyonce's new album, I am not saying that the government is going to stop me, I'm going to say that regressive people who think it is the job of black people and only black people to judge black art, are going to prevent other opinions from getting out there, which is a bad thing, because it only presents the "black" art from being criticized in a way which will be inherently biased.
>>64371098
I don't give a fuck what your job is, black people are not told they're worth less than white people in America, that's a blatant and obvious lie.
>>64371098
Lmao everyone is an expert on everything on the internet, my friend.
>>64369921
This isn't Tumblr, >>>/pol/ would love to hear your stance on this.
>>64370954
>You do realize that black people are affected by systemic racism and a culture that tells them theyre inherently worth less than whites right?
If you can provide a single piece of evidence that proves the existence of systematic racism then I will accept that you're right and that Beyonce is the most forward thinking political artist of our time.
People who adopt sociological ideologies such as yourself have an extremely narrow view of the world, everything in your eyes is based around race, all decisions made by higher ups are based on race, who people talk to and what products people buy are all based on race. This is simply not the case. You're wrong because literally no one in the modern world cares about race EXCEPT for people such as yourself who view it as the basis of all issues. The idea that the higher ups in society, the bankers, the politicians, the business owners etc. do not care about race, bankers do not make investments based on who is the whitest, politicians do not make laws designed to arrest black people for being black, business owners do not hire people based on their race but how good they think they will be in a position. Most of them literally care about one thing, money. Your idea that it is race that makes the world go round in nonsense because no one in there high positions give a shit about race, they only care about economics, what will make them the most money, what will keep them their job. Not about who is the whitest.
Why are white people allowed to contribute to a black album but white people aren't allowed to judge it.
>>64371098
My mother is an urban teacher but she isn't stupid enough to believe that black people are told they are worth less
>>64371041
Still zero evidence provided. Nice leading question though.
>>64371063
You're still completely missing the point. In this case neither of our civil liberties are being challenged. Yes, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm welcome to dismiss it on any basis I feel like, sound or not. I have the right to kick you out of my house if I don't want to listen to what you have to say. It's not relevant how you think I should or should not react to what you have to say, you have no right to have people react to your opinions in any specific way. If the government broke into my home and threw you in jail for criticizing my dish, you'd have a point about rights or free speech. Else you're talking out of your ass,
>>64371189
Using words like "allowed" gives inconsequential irrelevant people an illusion of power, even ironically
>>64371101
I don't think my free speech is being violated though, so you're le epic take down makes no sense.
>>64371204
>I have the right to kick you out of my house if I don't want to listen to what you have to say
But /mu/ isn't your house buddy, people can post what they like on here
>>64371204
The internet is not your house
>>64371232
I don't either, do you think everyone arguing against you is the same person?
>>64371194
Y'know urban schools don't have low scores because theyre known for having good teachers
>>64371160
R E D L I N I N G
Oh or how about the scholarly studies done finding that just having students check that theyre "Black" on a test, their scores go down?
Or that the same resume submitted with a white name is about double the chance to get a call back as one with a black name?
>>64371150
Read some studies some time my boy, Youtube doesnt count
>>64371257
>some studies
Well post something to prove what you're saying already, it should be easy if its as true as you say it is.
all of you guys arguing about whether or not racism is real need to start posting sources for your info
for real, you're literally just saying "no u" at this point
What does this have to do with music?
>Beyoncefags
>>64371204
I don't know how the whole thing evolved cause I had to go to dinner (I'm the guy who replied to your first comment). Ok I wasn't clear about it: of course I didn't mean freedom of speech from a legislative point of view, what I meant was "people can criticise whatever the fuck they want for any reason they want". That's all. And again her album is bland, I understand it of course but it's just mediocre
>>64371283
Be right back. I'm going to boot up my laptop and log into JSTOR
>>64371257
>Oh or how about the scholarly studies done finding that just having students check that theyre "Black" on a test, their scores go down?
I don't know how tests work where you are but iirc there are no parts where the student states their race
>>64371204
Kek, you really are too stupid to see through it. I'll spell it out for you:
>new Beyonce album comes out
>feminists and Stephen Colbert say shit like "WHITE MEN COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS ALBUM! ONLY BLACK WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT"
>thousands of white men who normally wouldn't talk about Beyonce are suddenly talking about her
>this controversy generates free press coverage which generates more album sales
Don't respond to this post this "you have no citations!" Countless rockstars and popstars have on purposely generated controversy to sell albums.
>>64371257
Studies on a politicized issue are always skewed by the researcher's bias. I bet I could find a lot of studies saying systemic racism is bullshit. 2bh I'd even say fuck finding studies since academia and particularly sociology research is so politically charged there's always going to be bias
>>64371103
Why are you replying to me when I asked for a citation for "feminists spamming ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE?"
>>64371119
>meme arguments
calling things memes doesn't invalidate my logic here
>you've just failed to read the conversation
Let's see, dude. Here are direct quotes from this conversation:
>>64370654
>The conversation was literally about the right to be able to say things
>>64370047
>forgot you people don't like freedom of speech do you
>>64369983
>freedom of speech lad
Explain to me in what way anything in this thread relates to freedom of speech or the right to free speech. You've conveniently dropped this terminology from your arguments. If you think any of this relates to free speech, you're a moron. Now you're arguing something else. That's moving the goalposts, friend.
And I've still yet to see proof that anyone is "preventing" other opinions from getting out there. Who are these regressive and how are they preventing other people from commenting on her music? Do you have any actual evidence? I know you don't, so don't bother.
What I DO see, is people calling out racists who use Beyonce's music as an excuse to complain about "cultural marxism" with about zero effort put into actually discussing her music. Your opinions aren't being censored, but I'm sure as fuck going to call you out on them.
>>64371189
White people are allowed to do both, so it's a retarded question to ask.
>>64369972
can you triforce, though?
I think people here are confusing "racism" with black and other people of color just wanting to be treated the same. You're all for equality until an African American woman uses her voice, then you throw the "crazy black woman" stereotype.
You can talk about this album and what she's saying, but everyone just dismisses it and the message because "politics" and writing her off as over dramatic because she's a woman. Consciously or subconsciously.
Like this album isn't too far different, maybe not as in depth and powerful, from To Pimp a Butterfly, but people support that hell out of Kendrick. Wonder why
>>64371351
I think xe is. It's painfully obvious that this whole "controversy" was prefabricated. Everything her handlers do is so fake and calculated. But hey let the YASSSSS QUEEN types think that a few spastics from /pol/ are enough to garner interest from p4k, rollingstone, the late show, vice and where ever else
>>64371401
>durr there's bias so an aggregate of scholarly data means nothing
do you doubt climate change too?
>>64371341
you have to state race on both the SAT and ACT duder
>>64371283
i'm in JSTOR, gimmie a bit to get those studies for ya
>>64371419
in you first post you were complaining about people who didn't like the album, then I replied the freedom of speech thing, maybe I could have said "well it's their opinion on a very hot topic, why should they keep it for themselves?"
Again, in that context I felt unnecessary pointing out I didn't mean Freedom of speech in its legislative meaning
>>64371419
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-white-man-stephen-colbert-explain-beyonces-lemonade-20160426
There's your citation.
>>64371419
This entire conversation is entirely meaningless and based on imaginary straw men. Methinks y'all should just take a 'chill pill'.
Daily reminder that Beyonce fans are literally among the dumbest people who listen to music
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/4984680/Beyonce-fans-among-least-intelligent-but-Beethoven-fans-are-cleverest.html
>>64371470
In the meantime here are some studies that may help you on your journey to black enlightenment
http://newobserveronline.com/far-more-whites-killed-by-us-police/
http://crimeresearch.org/2014/10/inflammatory-and-misleading-claims-about-black-teens-being-vastly-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-police-than-whites-even-after-adjusting-for-crime-rates/
>>64371240
And I'm allowed to criticize them. The mods can ban any discussion they feel like because this is a private website. Again, no ones rights are being challenged here.
>>64371241
and 4chan isn't your website
>>64371255
then what was your point?
>>64371328
>what I meant was "people can criticise whatever the fuck they want for any reason they want"
That's true. Take that thought process a step further. People can criticize criticism for any reason they want.
>>64371351
Could you provide a citation for "feminists" (whom?) and Stephen Colbert saying "WHITE MEN COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS ALBUM! ONLY BLACK WOMEN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT" (assuming this is a direct quote, cause surely you wouldn't be creating a strawman here)
>Don't respond to this post this "you have no citations!"
You could have just said "don't ask me to provide evidence for the shit I just made up," it would save us some time here.
>Countless rockstars and popstars have on purposely generated controversy to sell albums.
Non sequitur
>>64371419
This is getting extremely embarrassing.
>>64371470
Of course I don't doubt climate change, it has a lot more solid proof. I do doubt the idea that scholarly data is objective truth that cannot be challenged just because it's scholarly.
>>64371557
>People can criticize criticism for any reason they want.
I never said otherwise, you kinda give it for granted, especially on a board like /mu/ where you shit on critics the whole time. Don't know about other anons or whatever, cba reading everything that's been posted while I was eating tbf
>>64371419
>>64371557
Take your head out of the sand, there are countless feminists all over twitter and tumblr going on about how only black women understand Beyonce.
https://twitter.com/search?q=Beyonce%20white%20men&src=typd
>>64371536
now let's think about this
here we have an accurate fact: black people commit more violent crimes than white people.
If you're simple, you blame black people. Say they're inherently inferior, more violent, etc.
But what constitutes the situation of the average black person to the average white?
I'll let you look that one up through the US Census: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/people/
you tell me if you think that may be a factor.
>>64371557
>That's true. Take that thought process a step further. People can criticize criticism for any reason they want.
And we are able to criticize their criticism of our criticism. We've gone full circle.
>>64371613
So you're saying people in a lower SES should be held to lower standards?
>>64371557
There's a fucking video of Colbert "white mansplaining" Lemonade. Are you living under a rock? Do you seriously think there aren't any feminists saying stupid shit about Beyonce and white men?
>>64370703
good post desu
>>64371613
>he thinks race is an important issue when it comes to capital
Jesus
>>64371649
Nope.
But when we understand the daily situations of people in places we can't even imagine living a week in, one starts to grasp why they may lash out more often or resort to crime.
You ever live homeless?
>>64371609
Not the guy you are talking to, but can you provide a citation of people saying this that is not on twitter or tumblr (read: actual journalism)
>>64371665
>he thinks black people weren't blocked from education
>he thinks black people aren't sent to schools that are intentionally funded poorly because they're funded (ILLEGALLY) by property taxes
>he doesn't know aobut redlining forcing uneducated blacks into ghettos where they paid rent for their homes and not accrue equity on property
I'm so embarrassed to be you
>inb4 "NOT SCHOLARLY"
This is heavily researched. it's scholarly.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
>>64371668
I'm hopped up on antidepressants and anxiety meds all the time and I've never had steady employment. Never committed a violent crime.
Omg guys, give it a break. Go talk about Sleep Cycle or some shit. Enough with the Beyonce threads.
>>64371160
I'm sorry, I don't keep a list of sources of every single thing I learn, I'm sure you don't either. There is mass amounts of evidence. Like anything, the truth is out there, you have to look.
Like how on average, about half of black students face discipline for being "rowdy" etc, yet white students are given a stern talking to?
Or "ghettos", bad neighborhoods at high rates where only black people can live because white neighborhoods suspect they're criminals or there's shady behavior.
How black female students are forced to change their dreadlocks or other natural hair styles because it doesn't "fit policy"
How black people always fit the description
Gentrification. I see this shit happening in Portland OR. The only black community, where AAs were essentially forced to live, was by a massive river and because the city never bothered to fix the foundation (because it was "a blight, an eyesore") they allowed it be flooded.
Evidence is endless and it's not their responsibility to tell us the fucked up shit this country has done.
And should I even start about the FBI assassinating MLK.
>>64371705
And what kind of a household did you come from?
Did you receive a full education?
Were your parents around or were they working multiple jobs at minimum/near minimum wage?
>>64371469
>xe
epic!
>It's painfully obvious that this whole "controversy" was prefabricated.
I'm still having a hard time figuring out what this "controversy" is and who is pushing it, and no one is able to actually explain any of this or give any real evidence.
>hey let the YASSSSS QUEEN types think that a few spastics from /pol/ are enough to garner interest from p4k, rollingstone, the late show, vice and where ever else
Funny thing is I dislike her album and I don't like her as a musician or person.
>>64371497
>in that context I felt unnecessary pointing out I didn't mean Freedom of speech in its legislative meaning
You should use the correct terminology then.
>well it's their opinion on a very hot topic, why should they keep it for themselves?
They can say whatever they want. I can criticize their criticism. Why should I keep my criticism to myself? Think for a minute.
>>64371523
Could you tell me when in the video he says ""feminists spamming ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE?" I didn't hear it but maybe I'm missing it.
>>64371530
thanks concern troll
>>64371593
What? Can you read? What does the word "right" mean in the definition you just gave there? Seriously man, just read a fucking wikipedia article on the first amendment. You're making an ass of yourself.
>>64371609
thanks for providing a twitter search, top research here
>>64371636
You're correct! Free speech is not being violated for anyone, which is my fucking point.
>>64371657
Could you tell me when in the video he says ""feminists spamming ONLY BLACK WOMEN CAN TALK ABOUT BEYONCE?" I didn't hear it but maybe I'm missing it.
Jesus man, it's hard to keep up with all you /pol/tards.
>>64371729
I don't need to tell you my life story. Being poor doesn't give you an excuse to fuck over others and be a criminal and nobody should be able to explain away shithead behavior with their SES
I thought we were done with this shit after TPAB came out.
Time to avoid /mu/ for another few weeks.
>>64371775
Yeah, I've even tried making my own threads about different music, but nothing is as popular as starting a thread about beyonce and screaming about how "racist" she is.
>>64371756
It's not an excuse nor an explanation
but your apathy because of your singular lived experience (and suddenly NOW you clam up about your life when you start to realize that yes, you did have it easier than you thought) is pretty embarrassing
Poverty will beget poverty. We made it illegal for slaves to learn to read. Then we free them and expect them to do just fine in society and rise up. They don't. They go to war, they get denied access to GI cities. They don't accrue land or equity (common paths to the middle-class). Their schools are kept shitty because they're funded illegally. They get jailed at higher rates for the same things as whites because you're allowed to work people in jail. Oh, and prison for profit is a thing too, so even more incentive to jail people of lesser standing.
It's pretty easy to see why people in this position, constantly abused, lash out.
>>64371775
>Time to avoid /mu/ for another few weeks.
don't worry, new death grips memes are nigh and will overshadow this stuff
>>64371801
>>64371775
GG really ruined this board
half the people on here are just using music as an excuse to wage a culture war
Realizing oppression against a group does not them better than you not is it some agenda for "black supremacy".
Literally, it's about bringing everyone to the same level that white people are held high at. It's not that difficult to understand. And dismissing that and any voice of concern by a person of color (for like what hundreds of years now), just enforces your racism.
I'm literally never going to listen to this album now. I'm over it and can't be bothered. Thanks if that was the political goal. Mission accomplished.
>>64371855
Yeah, really. They'd probably call me a hardcore SJW and I'm able to listen to music with politics I disagree with and enjoy it/discuss it without getting into a screaming match.
>>64371737
I agree with you, but I don't see what you're arguing about. People are criticizing those who wont listen to criticism.
>>64368206
>>64368240
If "Formation" is a valid source on here heritage, she's a mix of Black and Creole, where Creoles are a mix of Spanish, Indians, French and Blacks...
But I guess that still counts as black.
>>64371737
>/pol/tard
[citation needed]
Do you have any proof that /pol/ thinks Beyonce is manufacturing this controversy?
>>64371835
You say it's not an excuse or explanation but you're using as one. This is conspiracy theory bullshit and you don't need to have a shit life in some shit ghetto to comment on it
fag
The point here is Beyoncé is using her platform to talk about this stuff.
And the fact that it flies over white peoples heads and not taking it seriously, proves the racism here.
>>64371737
As a Mexican POC I thank you for valiantly standing up for my people.
>>64371737
>thousands of posts on twitter of feminists saying stupid shit about Beyonce and white men
>"hurr durrrrrrr, those don't count!"
>>64371948
i'm not even talking about commenting on it tho
nor is it conspiracy theory, since it's pretty well documented and you can't prove anything of what I said as untrue. They're facts buddyboy
lmao beyonce has /mu/ shook
yes queen
>>64367906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DP0nIFSIxc&feature=youtu.be
>>64371996
Basically this. Although holy crap is it easy to get white boys mad.
>>64371996
>implying this is the first album by a black artist that /mu/ got triggered by and exposed their inherent racism.
>>64371737
Now you're just splitting hairs, he very clearly mocks white men who are criticizing Beyonce's new album. He's obviously implying that white men shouldn't talk about the album.
>>64372027
it's probably the worst to do so honestly
D'angelo should've sparked so much more asspain
>>64372011
This thread is 95% neurotic white people getting prodormal at each other
>>64371737
http://verysmartbrothas.com/dear-white-people-who-write-things-heres-how-to-write-about-beyonces-lemonade/
Do you really want to keep playing this game? If Colbert and twitter aren't enough for you I can dig up more retarded thinkpieces. Stop denying the obvious.
>>64371902
It's really not complex man, predictably a few anons started screaming about freedom of speech and I've spent way too long trying to explain that this has zero to do with freedom of speech. People here aren't interested in coming to any objective truth, it's about picking sides. No one knows my political views, my opinions on this album or my opinion on Beyonce's political message, people are just fighting me because I dared to tell people that they don't understand what freedom of speech means.
The second part, I'm not really sure what your point is. People have the right to not listen to criticism, ignore it for any reason they want. It doesn't mean anything. Some here would like to turn this into an argument about censorship and free speech. That's when I start to object because that argument makes zero sense. Having free speech doesn't mean people have to actually listen to what you have to say. Whether that's a good or bad thing, that's another story.. but not one that I ever tried to argue.
>>64372042
What is To Pimp a Butterfly?
>>64372097
THE MOST RACIST ALBUM THIS SIDE OF LEMONADE
According to mu.
>>64372073
Yeah what i meant is that this is pointless. People are gonna criticize those who don't want criticism. It's not really censorship if they don't want to hear it. I do think that it's dumb when websites try to push an agenda by censoring opinions. Sometimes it's understandable, like Reddit shutting down FPH. It was bad for business. But when they censor opinions purely because of bias, that peeves me off a bit.
>discussing music for black people on 4chan
this site is late teen/early twenties middle class white boys. they aren't going to get it. they'd rather spew buzzwords than discuss it. just move on like the rest of the adults do.
let the neckbeards ramble on in circles.
>>64371994
Hey, im not that other guy you're arguing with, but id like to jump in and mention that you're both right, and im not quite sure anybody involved is sure what they're arguing about. Yes, black americans were screwed by slavery and still feel the ramifications of that today,
but also, yes, that does not excuse them from taking some responsibility for resolving the issues that their culture faces.
This shit is pointless to argue because racist assheads won't even consider a view outside of their own. Right or wrong. They come up with an excuse or scapegoat like "SJWs" or play it off as playing victim.
Keep enjoying your white paradise.
>>64372073
You are doing God's Work, If all white people could be like you, racism would be defeated
>>64372097
Album that brought in a whole new wave of cuckposters. Hasn't been the same since
>>64372156
>this site is late teen/early twenties
>TFW I (gain) realised I'm way to old for this site
What am I doing with my life?
>>64372157
You're saying after being a victim of racism, it's their responsibility to undo everything angry old white men did? White people are just free of responsibility for their racist actions? You got that backwards, man
>>64371980
I asked for evidence that feminists were "spamming" (spamming what?) the message that white man could NOT comment on this album.
I was given a search with the keywords white and Beyonce. That gives zero context other than a search of "Beyonce" and "white" will return results.
Do I need to explain to you why this is poor evidence? I guess so:
>How many of these posts say white men are NOT allowed to comment on Beyonce?
>How many of said posts are feminists?
>How many of said posts are unique acocunts?
>What percentage of said accounts make up for feminists on twitter?
>What percentage of feminists frequent twitter?
>In what way is this being realized to silence the opinions of white men?
Your "proof" answers zero of those questions and it's essentially meaningless. It's about as useful as me giving you a google search of "jew" and "conspiracy" to prove my a point about the illuminati.
>>64372156
>le you just don't get it meme
epic
what a shit show
white boys so mad about this
>>64372165
The only racism here are people shutting out opinions because of the pigment of somebodys skin. Of course they don't have to hear your voice, but I can understand why white people are getting pissed because people are deeming their opinions worthless than theirs.
>>64367981
YAAASS ANON SLAYY
>>64372070
Do you really think that cherrypicking sources that you can count on one hand means anything? That's the problem with you reactionaries, you nutpick and get yourself boiled up about some conspiracy that doesn't exist.
>>64372011
i'm a white guy and honestly this entire thing is fucking hilarious. all it took was a few tweets from a couple of random people and /mu/ is on suicide watch.
>>64372157
Yes, but only because they have no other choice. Whites have been historically bad at solving cultural problems within the black community, so it's futile to leave the burden on whites at this point.
>>64372210
God ya Libs are easy to bait.
"Cheesman and Waters (2010, this issue) find that, in Ohio, juvenile offenders from minority groups were more likely than white offenders to be transferred to adult criminal court than to be handled as blended sentencing cases."
Source: Pelton, L. H. (2010). Race, class, and the child welfare system. Introduction. Journal Of Health And Human Services Administration
This one is from an article about how Black infant morality is higher than White, but how both are still stupid high
"Although expenditures for medical care in this country are very high, initiatives based on reducing overall population risk are low. Compared with other Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries, the US ranks 32nd on percent of GDP spent by the government to provide health-sustaining benefits for families; this ranking places us just behind Bulgaria."
from the same article: "Most white people are not corporate executives, and their
health outcomes prove it. It’s the ‘‘other disparity’’—class disparity—that explains the high rate of white infant deaths, and thus the high overall infant mortality in the US compared to other wealthy countries. This in no way reduces the stark, painful and unconscionable gap that continues to widen between white and black. But inequality of health is not either/or. It is both race and class, in a perverse synergy of inequality, that brings about the unique health disadvantage faced by most infants born in this country. Failure of the majority to recognize their own disadvantage, in part because of their focus on minority groups who are worse off, sadly defines the unique politics of America."
Source: David, R., & Messer, L. (2011). Reducing disparities: race, class and the social determinants of health. Maternal And Child Health Journal
Don't even care about the political or racial issues, the album is boring as fuck in every musical aspect.. instrumentally, vocally, lyrically, melodically etc.
>>64372291
Pack it up boys.
>>64372064
hey i'm neurotic but i'm not a pol fuck face, don't lump me in with them
>>64372157
>people fucked over with little to no power, capital, education, etc
>expected to fix things that they didn't do or choose to have happen
>>64372268
>>64372191
Accidentally replied to myself.
>>64368240
it's pretty obvious she's only embracing her blackness now because it's trendy. She used to be white washed as fuck because she only cared about fame and money. She doesn't give a fuck about black people
Uhuru
>>64372035
It's a comedy piece where he explains what the lyrics mean for white people. At no point is there even an implication that white men aren't allowed to dislike her music.
You're reading into things that aren't there, bud. It's a moot point anyways because a 1 minute joke by Colbert isn't some sort of systematic censorship of white dudes who don't like Beyonce.
>>64372259
>asks for a citation
>gets a couple
>"CHERRYPICKING!"
Top kek
>>64372157
What if you're a 'black person' who has nothing do with 'black culture' and the issues it faces? What if this is a white construct? If a white dude kidnaps and molests some girl, is he representative of 'white culture'? Does (insert any white artist you want) speak for all white culture? Of course not. Neither does Beyonce.
Do you see the problem with arguing with racists? Especially in threads created by racists baiting for these fights? No one wins.
Also delete this thread.
>>64371447
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
I wish I could...
terrible pop rap like Rihanna and terrible pop like Beyonce are engineered to appeal to tween girls because they're one of the last demographics that actually buys music. White hipsters bandwagon these """"""""black""""""" artists to seem progressive (or actually have the musical taste of children), literal tumblrites/contrarians/trolls embrace it on /mu/
>>64372210
You could use this same logic to argue that /pol/ isn't full of white supremacists.
>>64372237
This isn't true in any way shape or form no matter how much some would like it to be
>>64372322
My point is that the government has done everything the can at this point to level the playing field, so the ball is in black america's court at this point to break the cyclical violence and poverty. What else can the government do? Double up on our already unsustainable social security benefits for blacks?
>>64372151
It's their prerogative though. Reddit is a private website and they can censor people for whatever they'd like. They "censor" spam bots as much as they censor racists, it's not much different than, like I said before, being kicked out of someones house if they don't like what you're saying. They're also expressing their constitutional freedom by not being forced to house any opinion they don't like.
I do think a lot of places like Reddit have a problem with hiveminds and othering, but at the same time the most vocal proponents of "censorship" happen to be people who are upset that they couldn't harass people and use edgy words. I can't say I feel too sorry for those people when they get banned and it's sad to think that they seriously believe that the founding fathers were fighting for their right to say nigger on an internet forum without people calling them an asshole.
So if privilege = power, and power = money, are black CEO's privileged? And wouldn't that mean Beyonce is also privileged?
>>64372446
lol the american government haven't done everything they can to level the playing field, the fuck you talking about? how are black people gonna "break" cyclical poverty? just fucking magic money into their bank accounts to move away from gangs and poor areas?
>>64372373
Sorry not 'white construct'. I don't mean that. I mean racist construct.
>>64372266
I'm amazed, but I shouldn't be surprised. Sometimes I wonder why I come here. I'm a woman in her 20s lol. I stay because some posters are genuinely nice and knowledgeable, but there are so many racist virgins on this site yelling about how women don't listen to music and how feminists black people want to kill all white men.
>>64372446
They haven't forced white people to give reparations yet. That would go a long way to fixing the shit that white america has done to the african-american community.
>>64372474
Yes
>>64372474
Yes but not as much as white CEOs
>>64371737
>/pol/tards
I'm tired of you liberals and your /pol/ boogeyman bullshit. You have zero proof that anyone in this thread is from /pol/.
>>64372392
I actually never considered this, the whole appealing to the last demographic who still buys music. Makes perfect sense
>>64372493
>and how feminists black people want to kill all white men.
Gee where could they have possibly gotten that idea from
https://twitter.com/hashtag/killallmen
>>64372361
providing citations that don't support the original argument doesn't mean anything.
i could say all white men want to rape women, provide you with two fringe blog posts from wordpress and what have I proven?
don't be obtuse
>>64370693
i think those are the artists with writing credits
>>64372446
Nah, it hasn't really done much. Nor did it really do much. The Civil Rights Act was passed and jack shit really came of it.
Did you know that in his book, Why We Can't Wait, MLK argued for a "GI Bill for the Negro"? One that would have given insta-tuition to college, better housing loans, etc to black people?
Had THAT been done and they were still down and out, then we could talk about it. As is though, the system is STILL fucked up man.
Education is typically the thing people point to as what guides people out of poverty. But look at how we fund and staff schools across the board, you'll see why things are still fucked up (amongst other things like constant involvement taking power from teachers, prevention of high level professionals from teaching thru the handing of jobs to any hack with a Bachelors, etc)
Paul C. Gorski is a great scholar on these things. Read some of his articles (or books if you wanna go hard) and you may feel a bit more enlightened
beyonce is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bae ^_^ my mom just drove me to the mall to get Jamba Juice and her new album :3 the haterz just make Queen more famous :p
>>64372501
Because the vast majority of white people were never slave owners you fucking retard
>>64372489
I know they haven't, but the question im asking is what do your expect our government to do? What is your plan to save the blacks, please tell me. How about you submit a formal bill and see what happens. Our government is utterly incompetent. How can you expect them to lift an entire culture out of (reletive) poverty?
>>64372551
Omg, not a twitter hashtag! This is worse than fucking slavery and segregation combined!
>>64372446
Who is black america? My family all drive luxury cars and live in bedroom communities. What the fuck are we even talking about anymore? Why is this a thing? Are all the trailer parks "white america"? Just stop with this shit.
>>64370134
>kys
you should really evaluate your life and the way you approach the internet
>>64372584
Maybe so, but every single white person benefits from the system of institutionalized slavery that white people created today.
>>64372606
>Missing the point this hard
QUEEEEN YAAAAAS
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAY
