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Beginner information and FAQ:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/wiki/index
Music Theory:
http://www.justinguitar.com/
Guitar Chords and Inversions:
http://www.chordbook.com/guitarchords.php
String Tension Calculator (D'Addario based):
http://hikkyz.net/misc/stringassembler/
Floyd Rose Setup Video Tutorial:
http://youtu.be/umY5NBKg5AA?list=PLcm7Ag6Q-OkZAmlY6dAhS2ZL9TUMeRZdI [Embed]
Steve Vai's Ten Hour Workout:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/kzw6kjuocgicwks/Ten_Hour.pdf
Guthrie Govan's Creative Guitar 1 & 2:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/bn8803xzlrbds3b/Guitar1.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9uhtufuf3z9cx8m/Guitar2.rar
Impulse Response Pack:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/svtfxjtillrdwt8/Gods+Cab+1.3.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4n28zkjw0zgmdj9/ASEM+RECTO+V30+L2.wav
Free VST downloads (amps and effects simulators):
http://www.vst4free.com/
ASIO drivers (essential to use VSTs while playing):
http://www.asio4all.com/
Advancing Guitarist Mick Goodrick:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/07izim49ao6ij7m
Chord Chemistry - Ted Greene:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/61n5op7eiifxztg
Other Links:
Mickey Baker's Jazz Guitar:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tpr2u4e3bou2lqi
Modern Chord Progressions - Jazz and Classical Voicings for Guitar - Ted Greene:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5lvaa121vz29y83
Jazz Guitar - Single Note Soloing Vol. 1 & 2 - Ted Greene:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2ckhum02748z2pk
Beefheart's 10 Guitar Commandments:
https://archive.org/post/338826/captain-beefhearts-10-commandments-of-playing-the-guitar
Previously on >>64323428
I've decided i want to buy an overdrive/distortion pedal and a chorus pedal. are there any ones in particular you'd recommend?
>>64347222
Nice trips
What bands do you like? How do you want to sound? Guitars/amps?
>>64347197
New guy from last thread
got a roland minicube and a decent entry guitar but I seem to not get good tones at all, either its metal or just clean sounds
what are some good amps that dont go over 300€?
>>64347222
HPTT
Listen to this sweet fucking shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMaPee0NZhk
>>64347246
i've got a fender squier bullet strat and i use a scarlett solo interface to record. i like metal and grunge and that's the sound i'm shooting for
Okay, on the last thread, someone told me to not get a BOSS DS-1 and instead get a ProCo Rat 2
The thing is, I listened to some comparisions (even between new DS-1 and 1970s DS-1) and I still feel like the DS-1 isn't too bad. what exactly are the configurations that the DS-1 is shit as?
>>64346825
>>64346918
yeah i have a hot rod deluxe that i got for $330, it's fantastic. beautiful clean tone. wanted an ac30 or a deluxe reverb but they go for at least $600. ac15 would be more reasonable
>>64347422
I've wanted a HRD for about a year and a half now, but no one in my area seems to want to sell theirs.
The cleans are good, but I seem to be the only person I know that likes the HRD for it's gain channel
>>64347295
Which guitar my mate.
Also tbqh at first it's going to be hard to dial in a good sound when you are starting, that comes with practice and familiarizing with the controls... use your ears instead of dialing common numbers. Also don't dime your gain... that's a common mistake.
Even if you have good sound your playing might not sound as good, that also comes with practice.
I'd save a bit more and get a true badass amp in the future. Go for a first gen DSL50 or a DSL40C
My tone was terrible when I started, I had a Frontman 25R... it was bad even when I played through a Zoom G5 only. It was until I improved my technique, pick attack, phrasing and got gud that I made the gear count.
>>64347360
DS-1 is generally not so good, it's cheap and gets the job done but unless you mod it, it will be lackluster compared to alternatives.
>>64347422
That seems to be an awesome deal anon, Hot Rod Deluxes are dank.
>>64347295
The cube was a good choice for beginning.
All my friends got one and i have one for myself. As a bassist and can barely say, but i have a shitty guitar ( no really it's shit) and i get some good tone out of the combo.
In my opinion, tone comes from fingers so I recommend you some pratice.
>>64347521
got pic related, I actually put the tone on max and lower the gain, the guitar also has a switch and it makes it sound different but no idea how to work with those
>>64347522
yeh I guess, I'm just trying to learn easy songs and some riffs along the way
need to also practice all major chords
>>64347576
forgot picture
I saw a jackson JS32T King V and thought of getting it but its 300€ so it doesnt seem it would be an upgrade
>>64347486
i got mine off ebay, had to pay shipping but it was honestly worth it, seeing as the ones i found in my area were listed for way higher than it would have cost for the one i bought even with shipping
and huh, the gain doesn't stand out to me but i'll try it more
>>64347521
yeah it was a great deal, especially after playing on a shitty practice amp for 10 years
>>64347521
The DS-1 has a unique sound though, and the suggested ProCo Rat just isn't compareable. Are there alternatives that actually have a similar sound?
>>64347601
Nah, better save for a real upgrade. Pacificas are excellent first guitars.
The switch in the guitar changes which pickup is active, in your case you have two single coils and a humbucker, that is perhaps the most versatile config available so you did very good at choosing your first gear. The Cubes are pretty nice too, I should have gotten a Cube instead of a Frontman when I started.
Humbuckers will not make noise with distortion, single coils will. Experimenting with the controls and sounds is part of the journey, although personally I rarely use the tone knob.
What kind of sound are you after? Metal? Rock? Clean? Any particular guitarist sound you like?
>in b4 shoegaze
>>64347727
I don't really have something that I really want to play, I want to mess around and play all kinds of music since I listen to everything. But I have a special spot for heavier stuff like megadeth, black sabbath, rammstein and then there's nirvana, led zeppelin, smashing pumpkins and all that
But my biggest inspo to definitely sticking up to learning guitar is the band "Wipers" and my friend wanting to form a band so I'd love to experiment with tones but for the beginning i'm more looking into more heavy stuff so I guess I'd say metal? I got a boss metalcore pedal too and I can play "shes lost control" with an ok tone
I'm bored and I like you guys. So tell me
What amps/Guitars do you own?
How/where did you get them?
Favorites? least favorites?
pedals too, desu
So I want to play distorted shit on my bass amp with a regular guitar and I know nothing about dirt tones, be it coming from amps or pedals.
What should I get to achieve this, besides a guitar amp?
>>64348186
>I'm bored and I like you guys. So tell me
Aww, thanks.
>What amps/Guitars do you own?
Mark V: 25, EBMM JP6, Ibanez RG655
>How/where did you get them?
The amp was bought brand new, I wanted a Mark series since a long time and it was exactly what I needed: a small amp that I can use to practice at home and even silently late at night after work.
RG655 was bought new from eBay after haggling a bit with the Best Offer. I plan to buy more guitars from the same seller since he was a good guy.
JP6 was a catch from Reverb last december. One of the piezo saddles might need replacement though.
>Favorites? least favorites?
I love them all, I do want a Majesty Artisan though and I'd be willing to sell the RG for it.
>pedals too, desu
Not a big effects guy, I often use them to add a little depth or variety to my tone. They are really nothing remarkable.
TC Flashback, HoF, Dreamscape which I got for cheap as Open Box/Second hand
Joyo Vintage OD and Crybaby Wah Classic Fassel.
Also still have my Zoom G5 if ever need more.
looking for a new guitar
are there any guitars similar to bright twangy sound of a telecaster that have a vibrato arm? or should I just get bigsby or something
>>64348446
maybe a jag or a mustang. Not quite the same though
>>64348446
Nah go with the Tele with bigsby
>>64348369
How long have you been playing?
>>64348605
>>64348446
>bigsby
Its like you want your guitar to go out of tune
>>64348533
yeah i agree. the jag has been at the top of my list for a bit now. might compromise a bit and grab that in the future
>>64348605
>>64348659
is holding tune a major issue with the bigsby?
>>64348644
10 years or so but I haven't been consistent until 2014
>>64348659
That's what he wants, so be it.
If it was me I'd pick a Tele without a trem.
>>64348446
SX makes teles with strat vibratos if you're okay with getting new tuners if you want to divebomb. They look kinda weird.
>>64348186
>What amps/Guitars do you own?
Some Acoustic Amp, G100?
guitars are as follows:
Ibanez Talman TC530
Schecter SGR C-7
homemade guitar
Cort MBC-1
>How/where did you get them?
Made the homemade one myself. The TC530 was kind of a present, kinda not - my jazz band teacher at school told me I needed to get a new guitar (my other one was held together by ducttape and shit) so my mom went to the local family shop and it was there for 300$. I took it naturally.
the C-7 was a gift from my GF recently, I had been GASing for a 7 string. It's good, not great but definitely gets the job done.
The MBC-1, whoo boy, my favorite guitar I've played in a long time. I think I've only picked it up as a guitar to play the past 5 months. I love Muse and I got a deal on this around christmas at $500 even, including 3 day shipping, so I had to take it. Plans to buy the red one next.
>Favorites? least favorites?
In order of favorite to play to ones I dont play enough.
MBC-1>Homemade>Talman>7string
>pedals too, desu
I have a fuckton. What's on my board right now in order:
Boss MO-2->Zvex Mastotron->Devi-Ever Hyperion-> EHX Worm -> EHXtortion -> Boss RC-1
I don't think I've made a bad pedal choice in buying yet, though I wouldnt mind getting a programmable looper in the near future, or maybe get an adaptor to get my Rocktron Silver Dragon working.
>>64348767
hah they kinda do. these are super cheap though thanks for the headsup
>>64348186
>What amps/Guitars do you own?
I started with an Ibanez GSR180 and a Peavey Max110.
I now have a SBMM Ray34 because the guy (pic) who inspired me to start playing bass played a Stingray and because I like the sound and look of the thing.
Recently got me a real amp and cab setup from Eden which I like for its mellowness.
I also got a no-name strat for cheap which is nice for dicking around on.
>How/where did you get them?
Got them all new from a local store except the strat which I bought from a friend. I didn't even test a ray34 before I ordered one which is pretty risky in hindsight but didn't matter in the end.
>Favorites? least favorites?
Rays obvs but I'd like a precision. GAS'ing for an ERB too. Jazz basses can fuck off desu.
>pedals too, desu
Don't use them a lot, but I've got an envelope wah, a fuzz, a floor tuner and a looper.
I'd like some ambient effects too 'cuz I am that kind of bassist that plays chords n' shit.
>>64348707
>is holding tune a major issue with the bigsby?
Aside from being a pain in the ass to restring? Hell yes.
>>64348186
I own a Gibson J-45 and a PRS Custom 24 SE.
Line 6 POD HD500X for amp simulation
The Gibson was my dad's when he was a kid, but he never learned to play it and it sat in our basement for years.
can a rehearsal space get too comfy? does it become counterproductive?
I'm primarily a blues player, but I wish to be as versatile as possible. Any tips on how to get proficient in different styles or at least be able to fake it?
Friend tells me to shop on wish.com
https://www.wish.com/search/guitar?th_s=1#cid=55ad0c6a2ca915558c173ded
How could anyone ever trust this site?
>>64348997
ah that's a shame. I'll leave my tele as is then and just think of getting a dedicated guitar that has one already. thanks
>>64349107
depends on what styles you're talking about and what you already know. if you're already a blues player, you're already a rock player, a pop player, country player, tropical goth player, etc. You just need to learn the songs.
>>64349101
Does comfiness not help creativity for you? It does for me
>>64349062
>The Gibson was my dad's when he was a kid, but he never learned to play it and it sat in our basement for years.
>tfw my dad only left me a childhood of abandon and the responsability of taking care of my mom
>>64349101
I guess if you fall asleep often because of max comfyness it might be counterproductive.
With that said, that place looks great.
>>64349107
Guthrie is the biggest display of this, he is proficient in anything. It's possible but I'd wager you need a lot of knowledge in music and to be acquainted with the particular style you want to play. At least know which modes/scales or idiosyncrasies are particular to that style.
>>64349171
Exactly, if you are familiar with blues then you can easily jump to all of those styles because they derive from it.
Remember fellow bassbros, if you think your playing sounds like shit take a listen to some iso tracks.
Always makes me feel better about my playing mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtN4XdbPN_4
Steve plays a great solo part at 2:36 though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExLDfLwyuXU
Say what you want about GD, Mike has one of the best modern rock bass tones ever recorded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8EUUY1mHmA
>>64349107
By learning other styles. It's not hard m8.
>>64349196
>>tfw my dad only left me a childhood of abandon and the responsability of taking care of my mom
;-; we're here for you anon
>>64349226
yeesh, the iso track on powerslave is pretty bad god damn
>>64349286
Me too! But then my mom abandoned me a few years later
>>64349286
>>64349374
And I'm here for you guys as well. Y'all are da real MVPs.
>>64348186
>What amps/Guitars do you own? How/where did you get them?
amps:
-Laney VH100R: in 2004 or so Mattias Eklundh played it at a workshop in a guitar store and signed it, I played it multiple times afterwards and fell in love, I was a teenager with no money but begged them to reserve it for me, 3 months later I finally bought it
-PRS Archon 50: A band brought one to the studio I work in and I immediately liked the sound and feel of it, so I got one myself
-VOX AC30 of unknown age and origin: got it from my oncle who got it from a friend. it is modded as fuck and really unreliable but I love it, even though it's not working atm
I owned some other amps including a Mesa Mark III, Kitty Hawk OD and a JVM410 but the Laney and the PRS are the ones I kept
guitars:
-old Jackson: no idea what model, it just says made in japan. got it as a kid - my second electric ever. shitty original floyd rose
-Gibson Les Paul Classic (2003): a store was mistreating it by putting it in the shop window on a shitty rubber guitar stand for two years so the paint was pretty much ruined and they were giving 20% off the original price, my father argued with the store guys for hours while I was noodling on it and in the end I got it for half the price. it's the best Les Paul I ever played
-Ibanez AF105F: tried archtops in a huge store, bought that one
-Jackson Dinky Pro 7: also bought new from a store
-Ibanez RGIF8: I fell in love with the multiscale 8 string concept after playing a buddy's Strandberg so I gave the new Ibanez a try and I like it a lot so far
I had a Squier Strat as my first electric and later on a really cool mexican Fender Tele but sold both as I more and more learned that I'm more the humbucker type of guy
>Favorites? least favorites?
the Les Paul plugged into the Archon is what makes me happy. Selling both the Jacksons atm for a Music Man Silhouette
>pedals too, desu
I only use delay and reverb atm: Strymon Capistan and Eventide Space
Can someone give me a download link to Ted Greene's single note soloing vol1 & 2? Link in OP doesn't work.
does anyone have a nice /diy/ pedalboard? or some tutorial i can follow to do one?
i'm not much of a handyman, but i'm broke atm.
usually i just toss my pedals around but i have some gigs coming up and i'm sick of not having a board, it doesn't have to be large i usually just use 3 or 4 pedals
>>64349567
It's a really simple thing. You should be able to draw up a basic blueprint yourself, get measurements and all. Make sure it's a good size for everything you want.
>>64349567
My friend made a pedalboard and it looks exactly like that.
>>64349612
how does he move it around?
>>64349709
what
>>64349813
the pedalboard. what good would it be if it weren't portable?
>>64349850
are you making a pedalboard out of concrete ?
>>64349850
I assume he moves it by picking it up. Like mine.
>>64349567
https://endofthegame.net/2013/02/21/diy-effects-pedalboard/
You're welcome
>>64349850
are you a loli? do we have lolis in our thread?
>Post current gear
les paul trad pro
orange crush 20rt
>Post desired gear
'64 sg
jazzmaster
vox ac30
maybe a few pedals
>How long have you been playing?
about 7 months
>Favorite guitars/basses?
sg's, jm's, tele's and perhaps es's
>Favorite guitarists/bassists?
john mclaughlin, norman westberg, ed o'brien, yuri kasparyan
>tfw suddenly 3°C outside and shit isolation.
>tfw hands too numb to play.
Its fucking late april, what the hell.
>>64349950
I always wear fingerless gloves when I play. It's not ideal, and they catch on the fret ends no matter how well dressed they are, but at least I don't feel like I've reverted to my first year of learning guitar. It also helps to stretch much more than usual.
>>64349567
You could do this with a jigsaw and a drill, anon.
am i missing anything to start using pedals?
>>64350022
you could do it with a handsaw too
I wanna make stupid dumb noise rock what do I do
>>64350023
a multifx to learn what you actually want
>>64350139
also multifx
I think I'm a genius guys
>>64350023
Nope. You're good to go.
>>64350172
yesterday you guys told me multifx's were shit
Whenever I bend the whammy bar, all of my strings go way out of tune when I let go of it, and stay that way until I retune the entire guitar.
So how do I prevent that?
>>64350200
Breh, they're kind of mediocre compared to dedicated pedals unless you're good at using them, but a lot of people's favorite guitar covers are made with them
>>64350248
if you want to divebomb a carefully floating trem with a locking nut is a must. a 'normal' trem should withstand a bit of light bending, though. make sure your nut is greased and the strings don't stick
>>64350248
Might have burrs in your nut, sand the slots lightly
Might have loosely tied strings
Might not have stretched strings enough after installing them
Might be going too hard on the whammy bar to reasonably expect good tuning afterwards
Might have a Bigsby:^)
>>64350311
no idea how the word carefully got in there actually
>>64350023
Why get a donner over a 1 spot? That donner PSU isn't isolated.
Also I'm gonna shill and say order an instrument cable form south creek audio. Their stuff is priced the same as your cable but better quality.
looking for 2nd guitar
mosty for high gain music and clean (jazz for exmp)
was thinking in the esp ec-1000
thoughts?
I have a Squier VM Jag, and I'd like to put humbuckers in it. I know there was a Squier Jag HH but i didn't go for it because didn't have any of the jag controls.
Thing is I don't know much about modding guitars. I just want to put a humbucker in the bridge position. I've read some stuff and I know I'll need to switch potenciometers for volume and tone knobs, but I think I read somewhere that I'll need to swap both pickups for humbuckers, instead of only one. Is this true?
pic related
>>64350642
Not really, 250k vs 500k pots are just a preference, they make a tiny difference at best. They say to use 500k with Humbuckers but it isn't necessary. I'd be more worried about carving out wood.
Ever consider a stacked humbucker?
>>64350642
You would need to rout the body.
You can just switch out the pickup you want. No need to change pots, Jaguars use 1k pots so it will make the humbucker sound brighter than it normally would.
>>64350642
Just get a duncan single coil sized humbucker for it. No routing needed if it is flat shaped vs triangular.
>>64350172
>a multifx to learn what you actually want
This is true. Once I had a multi-fx I realized I only need a couple of modulations and time-based effects.
>>64350200
>yesterday you guys told me multifx's were shit
kek, /gg/ is bantz
They are lackluster compared to standalone effects unless you go for a Fractal.
>>64350023
DS1 sounds like ass. Lots of better pedals depending on the exact sound you want.
>>64350704
>>64350808
Aren't mini humbuckers slightly bigger than a single coil?
Also, I wouldn't be worried about routing the guitar since I'd take it to a luthier or whatever, is there a reason why I should reconsider about routing the guitar body?
>>64350886
>flat shaped vs triangular
What do you mean by this?
>>64351509
>is there a reason why I should reconsider
You're about to pay someone to route into a cheap guitar. It just isn't worth it.
1.9k for someone to build me a custom guitar..
Yes/No?
>>64351601
Why not partscaster?
>>64351601
Sounds like a fair price for a custom build.
Carvin/Kiesel might be cheaper but I read they had a decline in CS and QA.
Specs? Location?
i made this
>>64351601
That sounds reasonable
>>64351728
that pickguard is ungodly ugly, but I like just about everything else. The headstock isn't too bad either.
>>64351728
How is it?
>>64351728
looking cool anon, what color are you painting it?
>>64351775
fuck you nigger its cool
>>64351785
it ok
>>64351786
clear coat best coat
>>64351829
woah man I just said the guitar was cool, I just dont like the pickguard. the bottom part just looks so weird
>>64352072
The pickguard's cool, but not on a mockingbird, I think it would definitely work on a superstrat, or if it was just reversed
>>64349567
if you only have a handfull of pedals/powersupply why not do what everyone else does, go to local salvation army and get a cheap suitcase or briefcase. boom. portable pedalboard. looks good and for pennies.
>>64352665
That's a sweet idea
>>64347197
What are some unusual or neat colours for a bass that don't look completely ridiculous/don't get me kicked out of a band?
A few options I looked at, zebra colours (blue/red/green or 3-tone), cherryburst, gecko burst, marley blue or midnight blue, red/orange metallic, greenburst/violetburst.
Just something a bit unusual that doesn't look like every other bass out there.
![20160413_194417-jpg[1].844816_.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a9xiy6U.jpg "20160413_194417-jpg[1].844816_.jpg")
>>64353016
80s neon blue
>>64353016
Nobody is going to kick you out of a band for how your instrument looks.
Maybe if your playing sucks or sound doesn't work in the group, they would use it as an excuse.
The guitarist in one of my friends' jangly indie pop band plays a pointy Ibanez and no one gave a shit because he's good and gets the right sound.
>>64351509
sigh... there are single coil sized humbuckers. Put Hot Rails in it.
>>64353281
That was hyperbole, slipknots bassist uses a headless rarewood bass, a pretty solid example for that as well.
>>64353184
Kinda neat, maybe it's the lighting but that does look quite similar to marley blue.
CHEAPEST 8 input audio interface?
Just scored this Lastgasp Art Laboratories Green Monster Ultra Fuzz off a Japan ebayer. According to Hiro...
>This is the first "GREEN MONSTER ultra fuzz". The hard to use pedal gives useless sounds. The original septic rotten sound is here.
pretty excited
Good combo right here, running the Death By Audio Reverberation Machine into the triple delay Death By Audio Ghost Delay.
>>64347197
Is it a bad idea to have a fuzz pedal running into another fuzz pedal? I have 2 laying around and thought about trying it out. Will it just sound like shit?
>>64353825
Depends how you have them set. I run my Mastotron into my Hyperion and I get a super compressed gated sound, sputtery and all. Sounds GREAT when used with an octaver to get a synthy sound from time to time.
>>64344990
I've been thinking of getting my custom 7 done with just a bridge pickup...
>>64347222
Ibanez Tubescreamer.
>>64347360
I'm not big on the ProCo Rat or DS-1, but I'd go the RAT if those are your options. We were using an old ProCo R2DU for a bit and it sounded great with the SVP Pro.
>>64348186
>Favorites?
TS-9 and HM-2 are the only pedals I tend to keep on hand. I really like a lot of the Anarchy Audio stuff too.
>>64351728
i made dis
>>64353920
A woolly mammoth into another woolly mammoth, basically. I could play around with that.
>>64353825
try it
I'm a genius again
hey begginer in guitar here
whenever i play i keep getting super loud buzzing from my amp
so i bought a ns-2. it helped but it reduced the sound dramaticaly. any way i can reduce or remove the buzzing whitout lowering the volume to low?
(playing on a squier jagmaster with humbuckers through a fender rumble 60 bass amp and using a big muff for heavy fuzz tones and a boss fdr-1 65'' deluxe reverb and a digitech whammy 4 + the boss ns-2 noise supressor)
>>64353825
Who is going to stop you?
>>64354081
there's many things that cause buzz, yours is probably an ungrounded bridge. Google it and don't post here till you actually fully troubleshoot.
>>64354081
Single coils hum
>>64348186
>amps/guitars I own
'64 Fender Musicmaster II, Squier VM Jazzmaster (in pieces rn), Fender Standard Telecaster. Amp is a '66 Fender Bandmaster thru a Peavey 4x12
>how/where did I get them?
Musicmaster was my 16th bday present, I've had it about 6 years now. Very sentimental, I'll keep it forever. The VM Jazzmaster was a dumb purchase but it got me through a year when I needed a guitar. My wife bought me the Bandmaster head and my mim Tele with her tax return.
>Favorites/least favorites
My Musicmaster is my favorite but the Tele is my new workhorse guitar. Least favorite piece of gear is my 4x12 cab. I want a nicer 2x12. The Jazzmaster will hardly ever get played anymore.
>Pedals
Boss tu2, Boss DS-2, Boss RC-30, EHX Small Clone, EHX Big Muff, MXR Carbon Copy, Garagetone Tremolo, Digitech BP-50
How do I get that kind of jazz fusion-ish lead sound without caving in to a new amp ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJgjtD7pO_8
>>64354192
ya know those musicmasters are routed for another pickup if you want to put something really cool in. You can get a lot of variety out of that.
>>64354272
chorus
honestly that has nothing to do with amp, just make sure you have as little gain as possible and cut your bass. That is mostly chorus and delay you're hearing, possibly reverb but I'd miss that on my phone.
diagnosis: multifx :^)
>>64354061
>>64354106
Mkay, just MOAR FUZZ, fairly unspectacular.
>>64354285
haha yeah, I know. Idk about a LOT of variety, but 2 pickups would probably be an improvement. I love that vintage neck pickup's tone, so I haven't done anything to it. Plus the old tort pickguard is gorgeous and I would have to buy a new one for a DuoSonic conversion. I've considered putting a hot rail in the bridge like dean ween. Maybe one day!
>>64354272
the beginning it's just delay and chorus
the rest of the song is an overdrive pedal. he's not using anything crazy effect wise, playing that stuff is something else entirely. he basically sounds like Steve Vai, he's using a lot of techniques Vai uses. I'm pretty sure I've heard those same legato lines from a Vai song
Are mini humbuckers slightly bigger than single coils?
>>64354381
I kinda guessed about delay and reverb since they're staples in getting a good lead tone but chorus ? Must be set at a really minimal amount then because I'm not really hearing any of it.
As for the EQ I never thought about cutting off the bass, I'll try it tomorrow, but I can't wrap my head around what makes it seem so "round".
>>64354575
I think that also comes from using all four fingers and doing a lot of downward vibrato to make the guitar talk. Which is partly why I love Vai too.
He's got a pretty good technique for playing ascending and descending arpeggios all over the neck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqxMMetfIII
>>64354609
yes, you want pic related if you need a humbucker that fits into a single coil rout
>>64354568
I'm pretty sure you can cut a hole in that pickguard without much drama. I was thinking you could but something very different into the bridge instead of going for something that matches the neck. Honestly matching pickups are a horrible idea in general.
ive been playing for about over a year now and i can only do rhythm/mostly chord based stuff. how did you guys go about learning leads and single noting? i know some scales and can stay on beat with shit improvising but learning any kind of solo seems impossible for me
>>64354700
delay is literally shit for lead tone
>>64354700
Vai uses a specific kind of vibrato, the guy in the video is using it too, Vai calls it a circular vibrato, it sounds very... Vai. anytime I hear it I immediately think of him. it's like a signature sound for Vai.
>>64354803
the most important thing you can do to learn lead is buy a looper. Lets you figure out corresponding lead parts to whatever you write. Just be careful, at first you'll think everything you play is amazing, it's important to be critical of yourself and push your boundaries.
>>64354879
nah i mean playing along to songs with tabs and stuff,
eventually learning how to write and do leads on my own will be great but for right now i feel like i should be able to do that first before anything
>>64354816
>delay is literally shit for lead tone
>>64354745
definitely not cutting into that pre-CBS tort pickguard! D: If I do a MM to DS conversion I'd buy an $80 60s pearl Mustang pickguard
>>64354803
take solos you want to learn and learn them in sections. if you break them into sections it's less daunting. get one part down then move onto the next. solos are usually built like this in the first place, there are different parts to them. the only type of solos that arent like this are shred fests where it's a cluster fuck of notes. you can't just jump into playing that stuff though, it takes a while to build up the technique for those. start with some classic rock solos, they're usually based around pentatonic, it's a good place to get started
>>64354816
Depends how you use it, if I had one I'd try to mess around and make harmonies with my delayed guitar part, and it definitely sounds great if you're picking palm muted high notes.
>>64354824
While we're on the subject, is it weird to use multiple kind of vibrato techniques ? I don't put that much thoughts in my scales and leads when messing around, but I always try to use the most appropriate vibrato.
Hi guys, I'm new posting here.
I'm a big dead lover, and I've taken all types of psychedelics, but never played guitar while tripping through the lilly fields.
I was thinking about taking a tab before my next band meetup, and was wondering if anyone had advice or experience on playing on psychedelics.
>>64355165
>the only type of solos that arent like this are shred fests where it's a cluster fuck of notes
I remember when this local band dropped their guitarist and ended up having to get two guys to replace him because they couldn't find someone who could reliably play what he had written...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BhqkMb70ok
>>64355204
yea sure, nothing wrong with using different types of vibrato. I personally don't like using the circular vibrato because it sounds too whacky for me, but if you want to use it go for it. i mostly use the standard classical vibrato, the back and forth one, rather than up and down, the up and down one sounds too one dimensional for me if that makes any sense
>>64355273
lol, it does vaguely sound like it's two guitars playing. then I realized it was a delay pedal
>>64354710
If I want the slightly bigger msh, do I need to rout the guitar?
>>64351695
I just bought a Carvin kit last year, it's flawless. I just wish I had gotten the stainless steel frets tee bee haych.
>>64355450
Yeah, it's not really my thing overall but I saw them live a few times with other bands and that guys playing was phenomenal.
He was (is?) playing in this band too His playing is pretty crazy on that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVdO3zY6120
>>64355470
>slightly bigger msh
not sure what that means but if you're the anon with the Squier Jag, routing the body for humbuckrs really doesn't make sense when there are rail pickups available. At that point you should just get a different guitar.
>>64350023
change the DS1 for a Proco Rat and you are good to go
>>64355499
I'm not into shred metal at all, but I can appreciate the technique. sustaining those speeds isn't easy. I can play kind of fast, but it's more like speed bursts rather than sustaining it. my fingers don't seem to be built for that music, no matter how hard I try not to I always seem to tense up and it fucks up everything.
How long does it take to be good at slap bass? I want to play some crazy Les Claypool shit
>>64350023
that power supply is a waste of money. It doesn't have ground isolation, it's just made to look like a legit isolated power brick. Get a Visual Sound 1 Spot. Tons of people use them and they're fine.
Also the DS-1 is fine but you're gonna need another patch cable to connect the last pedal in your chain to the amp. A 6inch pancake cable probably isn't gonna cut it.
>>64355312
It is one dimensional, "rock" vibrato is only making the note sharp and back to normal pitch. Classical vibrato makes the note sharp and flat.
It's a very beautiful sound and more tasteful in most other genres.
>>64355707
Years. I'm not even kidding, muting is a fucking bitch and controlling your dynamics is even harder.
>>64355637
>I'm not into shred metal at all, but I can appreciate the technique. sustaining those speeds isn't easy. I can play kind of fast, but it's more like speed bursts rather than sustaining it. my fingers don't seem to be built for that music, no matter how hard I try not to I always seem to tense up and it fucks up everything.
Yeah it's not my thing overall but it's pretty crazy to see guys nail it live every single time. I practice lead and shred stuff mainly so I can. One of those things I want in my arsenal but then to basically never use haha.
I'm shit at lead still at the moment (hand control issues) but I'm still steadily getting better again.
https://clyp.it/gzlykw51
I use riffs from this album to practice speed. A lot of people can't stand grind but it has a good mix of playing styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBpqFi4NfHE
>>64355772
yea that's why I don't like the up and down rock vibrato anymore. it's just bending the note slightly up and going back to pitch. I like going flat and sharp, it feels and sounds fuller
>>64353281
Tbh, my band is the kind who would kick you out.
We rejected a ton of decent to great players because they had pointy Dean's/esps/ilbanez. Also guys with tacky looking PRS guitars or solid state amps.
>>64355602
shit i meant mhb as in mini humbucker
>>64355928
you guys sound like a bunch of fags desu senpai
I hope someone shoots up the highschool you clearly go to
>>64355928
care to share a recording?
>>64356093
Uni students friend
Call it petty or stupid, idc. Looks are important to us. The guitar you play says a lot about your tastes as well. We like to play with people whose tastes and interest align with our own, and as such we wouldn't want to play with, say, a metal guitarist, regardless of skill level and adaptability.
Finding someone that suits us just makes it easier for everyone in the long run and means we have more to hit it off with.
>>64356187
Sorry man, don't have anything to share.
>>64356219
Triggered.
>>64355215
Please tell your bandmates in advance.
>>64355928
>>64356093
>>64356187
I've definitely rejected people because they had tacky gear (autistic looking ERBs with muh rarewood top) or told me they were a "lead bassist". Being a fucking nerd seems to be a bassist thing.
>>64356288
why does every bassist want to be Victor wooten now? God damn man, keep the goddamm best and do some slick John Paul Jones shit with it
pls bassists don't fall for the lead bassist meme, no one other than bassists want to hear that stuff
>>64356288
What the fuck is a lead bassist. Does that even fucking exist?
>>64356288
I'd rather have an exotic wood headless multi scale active extended range piezo MIDI bass over Muh Pee Bass with flats
>>64356399
In a perfect world it would not.
Anyone ever feel that all the virtuoso shit that guitarist do, all the intense shredding and shit is only appreciated by other guitarist?
It's like, we are just circlejerking each other man.
>>64356399
maybe...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYvYedsBA50
>>64356437
Man I like both bass and guitar but what the fuck. When a bass player is on the spectrum they are really on the fucking spectrum.
>>64356454
if it's appealing enough for someone it can very well be appreciated despite not playing any instruments, but in most cases it's just like you say. i mean somebody who doesn't know jack about guitars won't go "damn that sweep picking is awesome"
At the string store:
"Whatchu lookin for, famm?"
"Well, I'm tired of my bass sounding good. You know when a bass has really old, dead strings? Yeah, I'd like to go a few steps further."
"I gotchu bruh"
>>64356454
shred in particular is mostly a guitar only thing, plus stuff like holdsworth. only guitarists listen to that.
guys like David Gilmour and nels cline have this type of balance between being appreciated by guitarists and non guitarists. I don't think I've ever met a guitarist who hates Gilmour. if I ever did meet someone who hates him I may just end up strangling that person
>>64356579
I've noticed almost without exception bass players on gear forums are complete drama queen faggots, their talkbass etc forums are completly worthless and they shit up other forums with their
bullshit. I get it they aren't real musicians And don't write music, but shouldn't they be practicing what their guitarist told them to learn instead of constantly shitposting?
>>64356631
Chromes out of the pack are some of the brightest flats there are. Beaten only by Rotosound flats.
>>64356706
Gilmour is fairly overrated. People like Blackmore run circles around him in technical ability and songwriting. But no one ever jacks off to him like they do for gilmour, clapton, and *shudders* page.
>>64356752
Because those guys are all better musicians.
>>64356752
overrated doesn't mean hate though. Gilmour isn't Joe pass, but I still after all these years really enjoy his playing. very laid back and mellow.
>>64356708
I've seen that both in guitarists and bassists. But when bassists are like that they are fucking baaaad. Like taking it to the whole other level. I've had alot of experiences and interactions with talented bassists and guitarists. But goddamn the bass attracts alot of fucking nutcases.
>>64356752
Page and Gilmour are horrendous, but at least Clapton is worth a good title considering he's been around the block a dozen times with blues musicians and done a lot for the music community with Crossroads and everything.
Bonomossa is one I'll never understand, his playing is so stale but just because he can take his dad's money and buy or borrow all the 59's in the world, suddenly he must be some musical genius.
>>64356856
bassists are like women
they don't want to be the center of attention but they want you to notice them trying to not be the center of attention
>record myself playing a song
>holy shit I sound good
>decide to play it side by side next to the actual song to see how it sounds next to the original
>realize I'm only playing 2/3 speed of the real thing
>realize how sloppy and shitty I sound
just when I think I'm improving. anyone else know this feel?
>>64356892
I hate you
out of all the classic rock guitarists Clapton is by far the worst of them. at least page wrote some good riffs and songs (in b4 stolen).
>>64357021
are you really trying to say Page's riffs weren't stolen.
>>64350248
idk if this is good for the guitar but after bending the whammy bar down i pull it up
>>64356892
>>64357021
I really don't understand this meme. Why do we pretend Clapton and page are bad guitarists because they "stole" a few riffs? I know there are some note for note copies like dazed and confused, but a lot of is just turning blues into popular rock music, and they were the pioneers.
>>64351728
i hate the look of the entire thing but it's cool that you made it
>>64347197
On the subject of Nick Drake, any fingerstyle players here? Do you know any Nick Drake songs? I learned Road a few months back. It's pretty simple harmonically but the picking pattern is complex and like many of his songs it uses an alternate tuning. Pink Moon is such a dank album.
>>64357055
who'd he steal kashmir from?
>>64357055
page never wrote anything good. All the famous Zeppelin riffs were stolen or written by plant. All of his solos are generic shit any 12 year old with a guitar could do
>>64356620
Which is strange considering how people can stand a Piano concerto, or even a jazz ensemble.
Maybe there's a stigma surrounding shred in general.
>>64357121
Since when did solos become "play the most technical shit you can do" instead of just playing something that sounds good?
His solos were great, his riffs were great, and the "stealing" issue is way overblown.
Also the solo for heartbreaker is really fun.
>>64357111
It doesn't matter if every single riff is stolen, the sad fact is that a huge chunk of their catalog is definitely stolen and they've had to pay up in court several times.
>>64357076
all the plaguerization claims are mostly related to the lyrics for led zeppelin. they did have some blatant obvious rip offs like black Mountain side, but the truth is most of the music was original.
people who claim shit like communication breakdown is a rip off of nervous breakdown from Eddie Cochran are just simply fucking retarded. likewise for most of the Blues stuff. blues guys ripped each other off left and right, that's what the fucking blues is. they sued zeppelin because they wanted money and zep has a lot of money.
>>64357076
bro, i'm a way better guitarist than page or clapton. they dont even write music, they probably can't. i write my own, except when i use other people's licks that i look up on youtube videos, but that isn't the same
>>64357195
>Since when did solos become "play the most technical shit you can do" instead of just playing something that sounds good?
if you want the title of "great guitarist" you need to have at least one amazing technical performance under your belt. And no, tapping 1000 times in heartbreaker doesn't count.
>>64357196
they have maybe 6 or 7 songs that you can say we're blatant rip offs, you don't know what you're talking about
>>64357021
>>64357055
>>64357076
I love how everyone blew off the point about Bonamassa.
>>64357076
They're not bad guitarists for stealing licks, all good players do that to develop a vocabulary. If anything they're second-rate composers for not making those songs more original. And at any rate, they may be good players in the realm of blues-based rock, but technically Page and Clapton aren't particularly impressive players compared to monster jazz players like John Scofield and Pat Metheny. All four can phrase well, the difference is that Sco or Metheny could play literally anything that Page and Clapton could play and then some, and probably at about twice the speed.
>>64356899
Makes sense.
>>64357317
>sure, page and clapton are "alright", but they can't shred like me
>all the other kids in my class had their jaws on the floor when they saw how fast i could shred when i brought my guitar to class
>>64356454
I don't have much appreciation for shredding.
I don't believe it's a sign of virtuosity either.
Playing single notes fast was done faster by Paganini over 200 years age.
Classical guitarists are the pinnacle if the guitar, there's nothing more difficult to play on the instrument.
>>64356899
women aren't like that
>>64356892
I agree about Bonamassa. Although I think Gilmour and Page are tasteful players. Gilmour is more minimal and atmospheric and page is more energetic and adventurous generally but they both have a good sense of melody. Clapton, however, I don't understand. I mean if he supports the blues/rock community great but I never thought he was a particularly talented or interesting player.
>>64356706
>mostly a guitar thing
Oh get off it.
reminder that if it isn't booting it's baiting
do not reply to bait
>>64354803
learn all five pentatonic shapes, then learn all the major shapes, then all the minor shapes, then branch off from there into modes and jazz scales and all the while make sure to be practicing solos and lead parts that you enjoy.
it won't happen overnight but its worth it
>>64357317
>John Scofield
>no idea who this is
>google him
>this is first result https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ler4KKEcHDY
good fucking god, this guy is terrible. you think he's better than page?
>>64357452
the only people who listen to shred that don't play guitar are like teenage boys
>>64357273
Just stop. There are no rules about being a great guitarist.
I literally just said heartbreaker was fun, not that it was a great technical performance. It's fun because it's messy yet fashionable. And I'm pretty sure there's no tapping in it.
>>64357317
>speed
Stopped reading there.
>>64356288
no you rejected them because they were shitty bassists who didn't fit the role your band needed.
anyone who rejects someone solely based on their gear is a fucking faggot and should kill themselves
>>64357464
Scofield is more of a jazz rock player. that's not a good example of his abilities.
beginner here. Whats a good travelling amp so i can practice while away from home? budget would ideally be below $100
>>64356219
okay actually i take what i said back. as long as the guitar/bass isn't flamboyantly embarrassing then you're a faggot if you reject people based on gear
>>64357528
you're missing the point of what myself and another anon were getting at. Anyone who has that tacky ass gear isn't going to mesh wish the rest of the band, creatively or personality-wise.
>>64357509
>there are no rules about being a great guitarist, therefore I can say literally anyone is a great guitarist and nobody can argue with me
okay bud. For the record I think page is okay, I would say buckethead or vai are a good
>>64356454
>all the intense shredding and shit is only appreciated by other guitarist
Yes, because other guitarists/musicians are the only ones who understand what kind of time goes into being able to play like that. Now, the extreme metal shredding-for-the-sake-of-shredding I'm not really into. On the other hand, used sparingly and tastefully in the context of composition or improvisation, I think it has potential to be an interesting color in music. I think the problem is context. It sounds gaudy in commercial music because you don't listen to that kind of music to hear virtuosos wailing about.
>>64357185
not really true though. like people will react the same to a blazingly fast lizst concerto as they would to a ridiculously fast shred guitar solo or a coltrane solo. most people just don't really know shit about it, but they know that it's impressive.
like, i don't really watch soccer much, but when i see an insane goal it still impresses me. but what impresses me more is watching a sport i've played and seeing that, because i can put myself in their shoes
>>64356706
Dude Holdsworth is the shit. But I can't argue that he's only appreciated by other guitar enthusiasts.
>>64357588
I think all three are great guitarists.
I also don't enjoy vais or bucketheads music and would much rather listen to page playing guitar.
>>64356631
please oh wise one, tell us the correct bass strings to use
>>64357618
Liszt is doing far more musically impressive things than a shred solo.
Sorry anon, that's not even a comparison.
>>64357426
>Classical guitarists are the pinnacle if the guitar, there's nothing more difficult to play on the instrument
This. Especially polyphonic music
>>64356706
yeah honestly correct. it's a shame though, holdsworth is so good
>>64357573
Still, this >>64357582
Gear says a lot about a person. It's basically a personality test.
Of course if someone can not afford the gear they like or somehow got stuck with it that's another issue, but then, do we want a poorfag in the band?
>>64357582
You shallow cunt
>>64357416
Not once in my post did I mention myself or shredding. I can hardly shred, and almost never do it.
>>64357464
i have no clue why he's playing so terrible here desu. most jazz players i know can play blues like the back of their hand. but he's a great jazz player from what i've heard
>>64357653
I think a lot of shred is really about the feeling of 'rock' and hardcore intense playing. It helps that with distortion, you create a really rushed sound that really pumps people up.
Whether or not that is 'musical', is kind of debatable.
>>64357679
holdsworth is good but you really need to play guitar to appreciate what he's doing, even to my ears it's alien sounding whacked out music
id honestly find it weird if someone listened to holdsworth and they didn't play guitar, bass, or drums.
>>64357698
Really?
Being a band doesn't just have to be about having very proficient members you know.
These are people you'll be with for a while. You want them to have similar interests and tastes.
Especially for my band, we mostly just like to jam out and smoke.
It's not like we're a business where firing or rejecting someone based on "looks" is unethical. We have no obligation to play with anybody and don't really look to making money. If that's somehow shallow to you, I don't know what to say.
>>64357698
lol sorry, but stupid rarewoods, colorburst finishes, and extended range bullshit are great for having a couple beers and jamming in your drummer's small town garage for but everyone should know image is a part of the package of a successful band, especially if you're in a real city with a lot of competition. Nerds off the stage.
>>64357582
>>64357692
eh fuck you guys. i'm a poorfag and i just own a guitar i got in middle school (which sounds great but doesn't really reflect my personality or playing style). i'm just saying there's wayyyy more to a musician than his gear. if it's not straight up embarrassing give them a shot
>>64357817
I'm poor too, that doesn't mean I have shit taste.
>>64357653
that's exactly my point anon. most people honestly cannot tell the difference.
>oh wow, he's playing notes...fast
how can they honestly see the difference between that and the complexity of liszt's music
>>64357772
How about harmonically?
Rhythmically?
Those are both of the elements of musicality.
The sound, the shading of the notes, whether they're brighty and tinny or warm and mellow.
Dynamics, soft and loud, staccato, legato.
Shred solos are intense to a fault, they're rather monotonous.
I can see the appeal though, I listened to it when I was much younger.
>>64357817
Obviously we understand that much.
However there's a lot more to our own needs that we have to consider. Do we want to play live? Does he have the right stuff to do so? Will he look like an idiot on stage? Etc.
Hell, we'll even consider a musicians fashion sense as we believe it's important to us.
Playing skill is just as important as taste to us.
>>64357800
>lol sorry
This website is 18+
>>64357779
i genuinely disagree desu. i saw a holdsworth interview where he was praising coltrane and talking about how the guitar wasn't his first choice and that he would have played the saxophone if he could but his dad got him a guitar etc etc.
anyway my point is that i can appreciate coltrane's solos regardless of whether or not i play the saxophone, and i'm sure coltrane (or insert any other musician that plays a different instrument) can appreciate holdsworth because what he's doing isn't just about guitar technique, it's just musicianship in general.
and it's interesting because holdsworth actively tries to eschew traditional guitar techniques. he plays with this incredible legato technique, it almost sounds like he's playing a totally different instrument. he's said he's trying to emulate the legato that a sax or a trumpet would produce.
whereas like tom morello or someone who uses effects that could ONLY be applied to guitar would be someone only a guitarist could appreciate. there are probably better examples but that's the only one i can think of at the moment.
>>64357888
I think that's also my main problem with shred stuff, it's 100% balls to the wall without much variation. I can't listen to it for more than a few minutes, even if I'm in the mood for heavier fast stuff I can't really listen to it for long before I get bored of it.
>>64357847
i don't have shit taste. i got a strat in middle school with a finish that i wouldn't have gotten today, but it's not offensive.
>>64357913
idk that's retarded. but if you care more about image than about the music then that's up to you. if there was a guy that fit into your band perfectly and was fantastic at guitar but was ugly as fuck and dressed terribly with terrible gear, you'd be like "nah"?
>>64358013
I would 100% say "nah".
Performing live requires people's attention, nobody wants to look at that. And we like to consider ourselves well dressed and to have someone that completely oppose that in the band would be terrible for our image.
Besides, we don't play crazy technical music. The guitar in the music we play tends to be relatively simplistic, so we reject him and find someone else, as there's definitely someone out there at a decent skill level that adheres to our tastes and interests.
>>64357947
the thing with holdsworth is that his music just isnt very appealing. I truly believe that 95% of the people who listen to him play some type of instrument. it's just very strange music. Coltrane is a different story, I think anyone can listen to giant steps and be impressed with it. I don't know if the same could be said about holdsworth.
holdsworth legato sounds so unique because he's using a specific technique for it. he doesn't pull off, he only hammers on. I think it's called reversed hammer ons. so like, if he's doing some descending scale run on one string, he's hammering on. he doesn't like the sound of pull offs
>>64357913
I dunno man, Some people's visual taste is at odds with their musical taste. Some people might use a solid state amp and get really vintage tones out of it. Taking that stuff at face value just doesn't match expectations that often. You're free to do it but it's not a very efficient way to find a band member. You should also consider that some people honestly don't care about appearances and will be perfectly happy to wear whatever tight pants you want them to.
In my case, what I wear most days is a Hawaiian shirt and long shorts. I don't wear that shit on stage though... Similarly the guitar I play most at home is pink. I don't gig with that.
In other words showmanship > aesthetic taste
>>64358104
i guess if talent's irrelevant then yeah get anyone and just dress them up how you want
>>64358104
>Performing live requires people's attention
>He thinks the people in the audience actually care that much about his band
Step aside guys, we've got a pro here.
>>64357888
You can say that a lot about modern music, everything is compressed to the point of forte, but people still find it musical.
But yeah, shred is really just monotonous at heart. You can't really incorporate rubato playing, and it doesn't help that with much distortion, your picking dynamics don't really make a significant difference.
>>64358151
idk about the appealing aspect. i agree that 95% of people who listen to his play some type of instrument (or at least know music very well), and that most people would hate the type of music he plays.
but i think that giant steps is incredibly alienating to a lot of people. that record especially. i have this friend who listens to a ton of classical (he's a violinist), but he likes jazz a lot. the thing is, he likes mostly hard bop or post bop or modal jazz. bebop is an incredibly hard genre to appreciate, and if you don't have a sufficient jazz background, it's gonna be hard to get into.
some anon posted this fucking rage inducing article (http://www.godammit.com/2007/01/09/why-men-pretend-to-like-jazz/) but it basically summed up how regular people feel about jazz.
i'm in my schools jazz band but my relatives all tell me how much they hate jazz whenever they can lol
>>64358151
oh i was also gonna address the legato thing but i got pulled off on a tangent cause i'm slightly drunk, but i genuinely don't understand the legato thing that holdsworth does. i've seen him talk about it, but i just don't understand how it's possible to make a note ring out below the note on the string you're currently fretting without pulling off the string
>>64356631
>chromes
>sounding dead
I have 2 year old chromes on one of my basses, no they don't growl but they give you an insane bottom end. Flats don't sound like dead round wounds, especially modern ones.
>>64358196
We're small time to the extreme, I'm not trying to talk big here at all. but that's still something we think about, even though we may care more than the audience.
>>64358172
You guys keep skipping the main point I keep bringing up.
Sure we can dress them up for a show, but aesthetic taste speaks volumes about other things as well, such as what they consider to be priorities for themselves as a prospective musician.
My band may be different from yours though, so maybe you don't care as much.
I remember back in high school, we had to literally force our keyboardist to wear jeans. He wore cargo pants his entire life and refused to dress nicer for the concert. We stopped playing with him after that.
>>64358379
he probably isn't explaining what he's doing well. to be honest from what I've watched he doesn't seem to be a very good teacher, he's really bad at explaining how and why he does what he does.
his fingers are doing a seesaw type of movement , he's hitting the lower note basically as soon as his finger in front leaves the string. it's extremely difficult to do consistently and as fast as he does. very very tightly controlled finger movements.
>>64358488
so it's a combination of slides and these hammer ons?
>>64347197
This thread has been pretty entertaining. Some of you people are the most vain and shallow "musicians" I've heard of.
Shredding itself isn't bad, the problem is how most guitarists use it. Great use of shredding would have the rest of the song/solo build up to it, and then release. Since shredding is the release of tension and energy, it represents anger or adrenaline and you need the listener's emotional state to be built up to it first or it becomes pointless or boring.
The difference between good shredding and mindless shredding is like the difference between a well-made suspenseful horror movie and a popcorn slasher flick.
>>64358509
he uses slides, but I'm just talking about his legato technique
like say his pinky is on the 8th fret of the G string, and he wants to use a legato line to get down to the 5th fret. he picks the first note, lifts his pinky up and immediately hammers on to the 7th fret with his ring finger, then he lifts his ring finger up and immediately hammers the 6th fret with his middle, etc.
he's basically tapping with one hand. it will seriously take like a year of practicing this to get good at it, shits fucking hard.
>>64358465
I'm not skipping the main point when I say aesthetic tastes do not necessarily or even usually correlate with musical or creative tastes. Not everyone sees going shopping for clothes as an opportunity to paint a portrait with their outfit.
The whole reason to try to associate someone's appearance with their taste is to help you make a quicker judgement. As you said, it "speaks volumes." But in the case of a band member, it's seriously a poor indicator and low priority, it just happens to be the first impression and most obvious thing. Fact of the matter is the trends in appearance barely exist at all, though I'm sure it would be easier to find band members if it wasn't so.
>>64358548
this post triggered me
"energy" is right, "anger" is way off. Energy is vague as hell but that's apt because the emotion could be literally anything intense. Intense sadness happiness, anger, whatever. There's plenty of examples everywhere.
>>64358548
guthrie uses shred the most tastefully i've seen. "shred" not just being fast guitar playing, but with the stylistic conventions that it entails
>>64358635
no yeah i understand what he's doing, when i said i genuinely don't understand it, i meant i dont understand how he could possibly get that much volume out of that style that cleanly, it's insane. i try to do it but it's so difficult. i can get a couple notes to ring out that way, but they're so quiet and i just instinctively pull off.
i also don't really hear the difference much. there's a very very slight difference in attack obviously, but it's commendable that he'd put soo much effort into such a minute detail that requires so much precision and practice to execute correctly
>>64347197
What are some guitarists that are like Steve Howe and Anthony Phillips?
I like their style.
>>64358545
It's the most we gave discussed about guitar playing compared to looking at people's Teles or pedals.
>>64358548
I agree with this. Lots of Chinese pop songs have solos in them, and its always nice to hear a tasteful lick run at the end, while the first portion of the solo is rather melodic.
>>64358728
that's why holdsworth is holdsworth. if you really pay attention to the sound of pull offs there is always a slight upward bend in pitch due to the technique itself, it's just what happens when anyone does a pull off. holdsworth didn't like that slight pitch bend so he came up with the reversed hammer on thing. it makes sense considering he likes saxophone legato, saxophone players don't have that wobbly pitch bend when they play legato.
the volume thing is the real tricky part. you really need to train your fingers to hammer down at the same volume. big jumbo frets help with this a bit, it's easier to get a sound out of a hammer on a big fret. still, it takes a lot of control and practice
