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Shakespeare edition
400 years since he died. What's your favourite musical work based on a work by Shakespeare?
>General folder. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes Bach and Mozart subfolders
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>Debussy Folder: Recordings of Debussy's most important/famous works
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera folder: Construction in progress. Features recorded productions of various operas
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Renaissance Folder: Paired with a chart.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Calcium's Compilation folder: 20 albums from baroque up to modern. (folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!1V8TSDwL!e5er4zSSyB3kPArCUM02-1KXzlyOkfgfJl6XE9w5orY
>CLT's history of the western canon: Comprehensive run-through of western classical music from the monks up to the present day. (Folder link broken, chart available on request)
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
>Crudblud stuff
http://crudblud.sjm.so/
thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks
Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet
>>64285469
The best
>>64285469
How about something that may have been sung at his funeral instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZlQCQFg800
>yfw Byrd outlived was Shakespeare's senior by 20 odd years and still outlived him by 7 years
>>64286180
This.
Falstaff or Otello are probably the finest musical adaptations.
In terms of song settings, Finzi's Let Us Garlands Bring is nice, and not as dull as some of the other English settings are.
Tippett's Tempest stuff is pretty good too.
I also was at a recital quite recently where some Korngold settings of Shakespeare songs were performed. They weren't especially good, but I was really quite surprised that it was something Korngold had done.
Is Lady Macbeth any good? What's a good recording of it?
>>64287672
Depends who you listen to. Most people think it's pretty good, myself included. I can't say I've listened to it enough to recommend the 'best' recording though.
>tfw trying to compose some piano stuff
>come up with something really nice
>a few weeks later listening to some stuff
>the thing I composed was actually Mozart's piano sonata in A Major I just forgot it
fucking hell, does this happen to anyone else? What makes it worse is that after the initial theme my composition was ballparks worse than Mozart's
>>64289797
This happened with me but with a Chopin nocturne. I'm not really sure how to avoid it happening apart from not listening to music altogether
How do I learn to sightread two independent lines at once on the piano? I was miles ahead of my Piano I class last semester, but I spent a rather humbling amount of time in Piano II this semester (re)learning both parts of those two Minuets in G Major and minor (you know the ones).
>>64289845
yeah, it's more annoying as it's the first movement of the sonata which is probably some of his most recognisable work
at least it gives you a sense of what it's like to make something that is truly great music, even if after you find out the music you heard in your head is not actually yours
>>64289935
Study the score and hope that the piece you are playing has a lot of repetitive fingering in the left hand.
>>64289935
also, I've noticed that, if I'm composing for piano and something else, my piano left and right hand parts tend to be very much dependent on one another, because I really only write what I can play.
mems
>>64290862
agreed
Mendelssohn's Sommernachtstraum, which he wrote when he was only 17. The Hochzeitsmarsch he wrote in his 40s though. It's the best part along with the Ouverture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqOY-02XAFk
shit, bump
>>64289797
unfortunately we can't all be Mozart
>>64293391
if only`
>>64293391
If everyone is Mozart, then no one will be Mozart
>>64294898
damn...
>>64294898
nah
>>64285469
>What's your favorite musical work based on the works of Shakespeare?
>>64294898
further proof
>>64289797
>>64289992
>implying he didn't steal it from someone else
Trying to finish up a short little composition. I use a rather interesting motif in the A the piece and I don't want to just use it once and not hearken back to it, but at the same time my attempts to throw it in the A' all really feel tacked on. And I worry I might be obsessing over this too much. Thoughts?
>>64298908
It actually sounds very good. Don't think of it as tacked on. Just about every piece that isn't serialism, uses a motif.
>>64298956
Er, I mean, it's an interesting motif in the A section, but it's not the main motif of the A section. It appears for a grand total of 4 measures / 7 beats (since I needed to change the time signature twice for it)
>>64285469
that nigga 400 years old no wonder his books dont make no got damn sense it's like trying to understand my grandpa times four
>>64299038
Could you do a voocaroo? If it's minor and you feel it's tacked on then I don't think you should worry. If anything, many might find it bland if you took it out.
>>64299042
>Shakespeare
>books
>>64298908
VARIATION
A
R
I
A
T
I
O
N
inversions, retrogrades, changing the tonality, altering the theme slightly, adding grace notes, changing the rhythm.
>>64299042
>no wonder his books dont make no got damn sense
I've read nearly all Shakespeare's plays and English is not my native language. I'm SURE you can read them if you give it a try.
Most of them are great, but being honest, I have mixed opinions about his comedies...
>>64294898
>inversions, retrogrades, changing the tonality, altering the theme slightly, adding grace notes, changing the rhythm.
I thought I was Mozartian but then I realized everyone is Mozartian except me.
>tfw clair de lune symphonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gElTKhbnQxU
>it's shit
Post some crimes, senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ2T1H7uaAU
>This chanson is unique in the chanson repertory. An experienced, if slightly melancholy voice is teaching its followers on the ups and downs of love. The poem’s weary courtly spleen is totally transformed by the setting as a 3 ex 1 canon. Its constant juxtaposing of joy and despair is reflected by the constant shimmering of the diatonic harmony where the same figures come in subtle shadings produced by the diatonic fourth-seventh canon. The voices are woven together and propelled forward in constant motion, but still the words are easy to follow in all voices, if one respects the underlay sketched in Copenhagen. The voices take turns in pronouncing the words, and important words can be placed where the voice momentarily is the highest part. With this canon Ockeghem has created a paradigm of learned music, of enigma and musical mystique, and of the of the courtly chanson’s mode of expression.
>>64300681
I thought it was fine, why don't you like it?
>>64300681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyqQW7rCB0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGXqq2VoAQ
A crime's a crime even if committed by the piece's composer.
I guess in the other direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xudvrLxHn3I and most concertos adapted for piano
also, fucking this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0bfT18iHbE
Can somebody recommend me something similar to Strauss' Alpine Symphony? I've listened to most of his tone poems and a few other composers' and nothing seems to come close to it.
Preferably something with big brass parts pls
>>64299182
bumping because recording.
Why is it that the addition of a mic can turn a piece from mastered to first time looking at it? Even one's own piece.
>>64301712
faure's orchestral version is pretty good actually.
>>64302332
I mean, it's relatively good compared to the other ones, but
>>64299182
It's for clarinet and cello, and I was so careful not to write a Cello Sonata with clarinet accompaniment I ended up doing vice versa. So the cello part has an accompanimental figure most of the time, but the A' section (from Eb, returning to Ab Major.) starts with the cello playing the original melody.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NRpOTjXuti
Haven't touched the cello today before recording this, so it's pretty shit, and there are several wrong notes (the A' section in this recording is like half improvised in fact), but you should get the idea of it.
>>64299182
>>64302803
forgot to say what motif I'm asking about. Well it's pretty obvious, but it's the bit that sort of came out weird and gurgling, as though it were played underwater.
bumping so I get a proper opinion
>>64303256
once more
Hey /classical/ i'm not much into classical music but I want to start, i've really only ever listened to a few songs, some of which were
Nocturne op. 9 No. 2, Liebestraum No. 3, Clair de Lune, etc.
Very well known works.
Was wondering if you could recommend me some melancholic piano pieces? Or point me in the right direction.
>>64304231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_tfwTiZeM
>>64304231
Perhaps you could name the composers as well? I mean, I can guess them, but for example, Debussy wrote a Clair de Lune, but so did Fauré (his was for voice and piano - both were based on a poem of the same name).
This is pretty good. Nothing new under the sun, but a good solid impressionist piece, and it beautiful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkepygUSAwA
>>64304513
Sorry, composers such a Liszt and Chopin.
They are really the only ones i'm familiar with.
What do you think of Strauss' Zarathustra?
And if you like it, what do you think of the version in pic?
>>64300681
The Stokowski Bach shit
Usually I'm quite relaxed towards romantic interpretations of baroque (like Furtwangler's Brandenburg) unlike the HIP autists, but this one is too memey even for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2hjkMmtv4
can someone recommend me a nice piano piece to learn/play
not something too hard, since i've only played piano a bit over a half year
chopin or something chopin-esque would be nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_JF6BDP4u0
>>64285469
Alright, I'm about to dive head first into classical music. How much space can I expect all this to take up after all the mega links are downloaded and unpacked?
>>64305785
I think it's a mistake and unintelligent to "dive head first" by downloading a shitload of random links. Just take it recording my recording and take time to appreciate each one. This isn't rock or rap.
>>64306105
The shitload of downloads is more for convenience than anything else. I tend to linger on a few select songs before moving on to something else, I just don't want come back later and scrounge for something else on a mega link that may or may not always be available. If anything, I'll just stick to the first mega link for now and if it turns out not to be my thing, I can just delete them.
Listening to Seraglio
Was eastern Europe asleep until the 19th century or was there anything interesting I hadn't heard of?
I was gonna ask you guys for some less rigid classicism or baroque stuff, but upon a quick google search, it seems that was their whole thing. Feel a bit stupid, honestly.
It bums me out because I finally decided to get into all this and I ended up really enjoying the romanticists, the impressionists, some modernists too, but earlier works rely on such boring rules, I just nod off.
Should I just give up? Maybe it was stupid to ever thing I could "get into classical music" like the last N centuries were a monolith.
I'm absolutely in love with Prokofiev's violin sonatas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQuiyEJ5iYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRiO-GMA138
Can anyone recommend similar stuff?
>>64308543
If you count the Czechs as eastern, then Zelenka and Dussek.
There was apparently a 'Polish golden age' in the 16th century but from what I can tell, it was basically just them copying what the Italians had already been doing.
How's Eugene Ormandy? Is he a good conductor?
Thoughts on Hindemith?
>>64309527
decent
>>64311038
good
>>64285469
>2016
>using MEGA
Oh boy
I'm quite new to classical, and I am starting to enjoy Modern Classical especially.
I listened to pic related recently and I really enjoyed it, but I was wondering if anyone had any cues as to where to go from here. I liked the darker parts of it especially.
I like the much less busy Modern Classical composed by the likes of Jurg Frey and pretty much anything that Tilbury has performed, too.
>>64313020
desu senpai
>>64313321
The best pieces to try right now would be
>Miraculous Mandarin
>Music for Strings, Percussion, Celesta (found in the concerto for orchestra album)
>Violim Sonata No.1
>>64313020
Try the other 20th century giants, Schoenberg and Stravinsky.
>>64313321
>>64313440
>>64313600
Thank you.
>>64285469
I'm interested in the CLT chart..
>>64313788
Here is the original (vandalised version to follow)
>>64313872
And vandalised.
(If you're lazy and can't be bothered to search for the difference, it's the removal of J. C. Bach keyboard music in favour of the B Minor Mass, which I think is probably fair enough)
Also (whilst the question is academic since there's not a rip of it on rutracker yet), is it worth re-vandalising the chart with the new Gardiner B Minor Mass? I'm not entirely sold on it since Gardiner takes most of the Credo at sanic speed, but what do other people think?
>>64313872
>>64313961
Thanks!
>>64313961
Vandalize the Gardiner with Suzuki.
Verdi's Falstaff. Any Shakespeare fan knows that Merry Wives of Windsor sucks the big doodle, so good thing the Italian got some use out of it. Saw Falstaff for the first time a couple of weeks ago with my ex who I dumped the same night.
>>64314301
>>64314301
>Any Shakespeare fan knows that Merry Wives of Windsor sucks the big doodle.
You suck the big doodle. Merry Wives is underrated.
>>64314301
It is the patrician's choice of Verdi operas
can someone here break down for me, or point me to a book that the concepts of scale, key, mode, interval and root?from what i've grasped a c minor and cmajor are just diatonic scales in the key of C. but what's a root in this context? or the mode?
Any recommend on medieval stuffs ?
>>64314622
The root of C major and C minor is C. The mode is either major or minor (but also some other stuff, don't worry about it).
There are probably 1000000 basic music theory videos on youtube you can look up if you want more.
>>64314669
Codex Calixtinus
Ludus Danielis
Le Jeu de Robin et Marion - Adam de la Halle
Stuff by Perotin and Leonin
Cantigas de Santa Maria
Stuff by Neidhart von Reuental and Wolfram von Eschenbach
Messe de Notre Dame - Guillaume de Machaut
>>64314858
Oh Binchois too
>>64314622
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Music_Theory/Modes
Ionian = Major
Aolean = Minor (but composers usually use the harmonic and melodic scales as well)
>>64315012
oh those are modes? i always see them described as scales.
>>64315104
They are basically the same thing.
>>64297703
>non-Russians singing Russian opera
NOPE.
I fucking ADORE it though.
>>64314622
http://tobyrush.com/theorypages/pdf/0401modes.pdf
>>64311038
wonderful
>>64314669
not sure if you'd call Orlande de Lassus medieval, anyways you should check him out.
Namely, Prophetiae Sibyllarum and Lagrime di St. Pietro
>>64316484
Very definitely not medieval
Is there any indian and middle eastern classical music worth listening to?
>>64285469
>https://mega.co.nz/#!CkEQlBbY!k33vuAiD6wJT4C3jAmU8HZ2k_NDz2nF0Jy6qiBdzkwU
this CLT link has been dead for forever, does anyone have the albums to upload to fix it?
Don't know if this is really the right place to ask this but who're the best composers with similar styles to Ennio Morricone?
Also, I read online that a lot of western music (as in cowboy movie soundtracks, not all european music) is heavily influenced by eastern music. Is my leg being pulled or is there some truth to that?
Boccherini is underrated.
>>64285469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg3vE8Ie_E
>>64318930
I cried
>>64318329
They are all on rutracker.
>>64318885
He's probably the best known classical era composer after Mozart, Haydn and Gluck (a couple of the Bach sons too maybe, but that's mostly because of the name)
>>64319124
Beethoven was classical as well
>>64319124
I'm at uni and can't torrent
Can someone recommend me some good Brahms. I've already listened to his requiem, cello sonatas. I also listened to his piano quintet but didn't really get why it's so popular.
>>64319809
>More orchestral stuff
Variations on a theme by Haydn
Academic Festival Overture
Piano Concerto #2
Double Concerto
Alto Rhapsody
If you like those, go for the symphonies. I've never been overly enamoured with Brahms' symphonies, but a lot of people are. If you feel like more orchestral Brahms after the flavour you get in the stuff I suggested, then go for the symphonies, otherwise:
>Chamber stuff
Clarinet sonatas
Piano trio #3
Clarinet quintet
String Sextet #2
Piano Quartet #1
If you like any of those, explore the rest of his chamber output. Otherwise:
>Solo Piano
Ballades op. 10
Paganini variations
Handel variations
And then op. 116-119
>>64318885
>womenwillneverunderstandcore
>>64308829
As always, the answer is more Mozart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2EhW-k3yPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Twh_q8lQs
And these are fairly meme pieces by Vivaldi, but still:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCfydWF48c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWECfXlToaY
If those didn't do it for you, well, the classical and baroque eras just aren't your thing, which is perfectly fine.
>>64302803
Er, so could I get an opinion on the motif I use once and never again? Should I find a way to reuse it in the A' section, or should I not force it?
>>64319809
I have no specific recs but in addition to what >>64320091 said, don't miss out on the vocal works (songs, choral stuff etc). Brahms.
The liebeslieder-walzer are nice feelgood, not very serious stuff in case you want something light.
Also, the late organ works are pretty brillliant.
So what the fuck, was Giulio Cesare in Egitto never recorded with a male voice at right pitch? Surely there are male alto singers that would do it, no?
>>64321423
nothing like a castrato could do it really.
>>64321481
But I don`t want to listen to an altered pitch version or a woman singing it, dammit.
Bring castratos back.
>>64297822
pepe should be marc antony, because he's a scheming backstabbing piece of shit. wojak should be brutus, since brutus is conflicted and has "feels" over killing Caesar.
Dearest /classical/, a few weeks ago I have rediscovered my love for classical music and have been listening to it ever since. Not "best of" collages anymore, full symphonies, and my mind is blown away by the beauty of the music.
So I always knew Mozart's Symphony no.40 first movement to be played at a certain speed, and today I acquired a collection of his symphonies, and the version there is distinctly slower, I'd say nearly 50% slower. Does anyone know why this is? And which is the "right" version, as in the one intended by Mozart?
tfw i got over 50 (you)s n a /mu/ thread
>>64319377
>>64321555
are you applying? I'll get the rubberbands
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Literature on Music ?
>>64321636
The proper version is the one you like best.
>>64321636
No one knows because Mozart wasn't able to leave metronome markings and we don't have recorded evidence of how fast it was played back then, so it's all relative and dependent on the conductor's own interpretation of the score. There is no 'right' version, there is only various versions and some will appeal to you and some won't. Of course, there have been plenty of historically informed performances over the years but many of them do things differently and have their own ideas as to not only the tempi, but how dynamics and balances should be done--as well as other things.
Just listen to a lot of versions and figure out which one speaks to you the most. Composer intent is far from a black and white topic, and many composers enjoyed hearing their pieces performed in various different ways. It is a very subjective topic.
>>64321636
What recording?
Performances were often slower in the past. Since the 80s the HIP movement (historically informed performance) has tended to play baroque and classical era faster.
>>64321853
All recordings by Josef Krips from the early 70s
>>64321838
>>64321808
>>64321853
Thank you for the replies, anons!
lets post some GOAT HIP Mozart :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVZSfIQos4
>>64322010
The fucking harpsichord
Everytime
Every single fucking time
>>64322058
>>64319124
>Bach sons
>well known "because of the name"
You're forgetting that CPE was a musical revolutionary, and at the time of Mozart, he was more well known than his father.
>>64322138
Not nearly as revolutionary as Mozart or Haydn though.
But yes, that was me being slightly facetious
>>64314669
Hildegard of Bingen - Canticles of Ecstasy
Francesco Landini
>>64318881
For cowboy classical, try the ballet Rodeo by Aaron Copland.
>>64323078
died too soon RIP
What is the best way to into classical music. I've only ever listened to youtube compilations (lel), but there are a lot of pieces that I really enjoy.
So far, I enjoy solo piano compositions a lot more than orchestra things, but that's probably just because I'm a pleb when it comes to music before the 1950s.
Any advice?
>Chopin, Scriabin, the list could go on...
>>64323433
>I enjoy solo piano compositions a lot more than orchestra things, but that's probably just because I'm a pleb
>>64323710
are solo piano compositions the true patrician thing?
I don't know how to explain it, but when I listen to famous mozart pieces, I just don't really enjoy it as much as I would one person playing piano.
>>64323710
I love anime.
>>64323433
Listen to Mozart
>>64323769
Exactly what patrician is: not good, impressive, well created etc. but exclusive and rare. How can a symphony be patrician when a whole orchestra has to play it, no it feels so much more obscure and deep if there's only one person.
>>64324104
>How can a symphony be patrician when a whole orchestra has to play it, no it feels so much more obscure and deep if there's only one person.
>a deeply coordinated effort between a large body of people following the underlying vision between composer and conductor, fighting out their lives for that vision and playing their hearts out is less patrician than a solo pianist playing the piano with his nutsack while browsing tumblr to chat with his dragonkin
Yeah, sure.
>>64323769
no. solo piano works are for Asians who were forced into it when they were young that basically become piano freaks. generally, solo works are for autists just as much as orchestral music is for plebs
true patricians listen to chamber music
>>64324207
If a solo pianist were to be playing with his nutsack while browsing tumblr, now that would be a performance to see.
>>64323769
It could have something to do with how a solo pianist can rubato all they want while an orchestra has to coordinate such things, and as such has less of it overall.
>>64326165
Really kind of depends on the conductor though. Some conductors did some very heavy rubato back in the day, it's more like it just isn't very fashionable now. It's a lot more subtle.
>>64286180
mein nigger
>>64323433
why not both? Poulenc's piano concertos are god tier.
>tfw not one single good recording of the Double Piano Concerto on Youtube
>>64321708
The Classical Style
http://b.1339.cf/fzvmlgw.djvu
Sonata Forms
http://b.1339.cf/fzvmlgw.djvu
I'm going to need some recommendations for Henri Pousseur's and Hans Otte's works. Sonorism composers and works are also appreciated.
>>64323846
why don't you watch Hibike Euphonium to inspire you to play an instrument, Nodame Cantabile to inspire you to listen to the complex harmony, and Shigatsu wa kimi no uso to inspire you to listen to virtuoso violin,
>>64327605
>Nodame Cantabile
the live action is better.
>>64324104
>muh obscurity
That is not what "patrician" means. Either way, it's totally disrespectful to disregard the effort and talent of a full orchestra. Especially since it's overwhelmingly likely you have zero music education or social skills yourself.
>>64325636
pleb
>>64305501
I'm not sure of your exact skill level, but if you can play a Chopin etude, here are some other moderate pieces:
Most Mozart piano sonatas and many other pieces by him.
Many pieces from the Classical era in general.
Liszt - Nuages Gris
Bizet - Nocturne in D major
Many pieces by Debussy (especially NOT etudes)
Ravel - Miroirs-Oiseaux Tristes
Most piano pieces by Satie.
Bartók - Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm
Mompou - Trois Variations
Rautavaara - Partita
Grainger - Irish Tune from County Derry
Ligeti - Musica Ricercata (most of it I guess)
Gubaidulina - Musical Toys
Eller - The Bells
Melartin - Solitude
Cowell - The Tides of Manaunaun
Saygun - İnci'nin Kitabı
Ruyneman - Piano Sonatina
>>64315104
>>64315476
A scale is just a series of notes.
A mode is comparable to a key. A piece can be in the Dorian mode and contain a phrygian scale somewhere within it, but a piece can't be "in the Dorian scale."
>>64291931
So that's where the wedding march comes from. Thanks anon. This is one of those pieces I've heard about, but have never sat down to listen to. It was good.
>>64328053
I've been an honorary member of the patrician council for the past four years. Fuck off, autismoid.
>>64328533
The other popular one is Treulich Gefuhrt from the opera Lohengrin.
>>64323433
>likes scriabin
LISTEN TO NIKOLAI ROSLAVETS
