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Is this true?
>>64201417
Yea
Also turntables aren't instruments
Pretty sure that's a troll image. People said the same shit about synths in the 80s, that they removed all the work and made the music for you, which is obviously not true.
Sampling is cool when done right. There's plenty of it not done right though but you can say that about anything.
>>64201437
scratching is valid
>>64201439
It is true though, Synths destroyed actual music
>>64201439
Shut the f*ck up idiot
Sampling is the devil
>>64201450
Okay, dad.
>>64201450
>actual music
So actual music is music made by something vibrating or something? What if I shake the synth while playing it?
>>64201444
You're wrong
Source: I'm right
another one of these threads with the same shitty disproven arguments, yay
Acoustic instruments are the only valid method to make music, the use of machines such as electric guitars can't capture the same feeling and creates unnatural sounds not found in real music. Prove me wrong!
>sampling is not music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZLHFxJpe_8
Yes.
>>64201437
Turntablism is the art of manipulating sounds and creating music using turntables and a DJ mixer.
John Oswald described the art: "A phonograph in the hands of a 'hiphop/scratch' artist who plays a record like an electronic washboard with a phonographic needle as a plectrum, produces sounds which are unique and not reproduced—the record player becomes a musical instrument."
Modern day turntablism is the closest hip hop music gets to art music.
Turntablism repertoire has written notation, creating a musical part or score for their compositions and pieces. Great examples are DJ Yoda & Heritage Orchestras Concerto, Martin Tetreaults musique concrete for turntables, Kid Koalas Your Moms Favorite DJ, eriKm and DJ Spookys Ice Music works.
Of course, the history of the turntable being used as a musical instrument though has its roots dating back to the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s when musique concrète and other experimental composers (such as John Cage, Halim El-Dabh, and Pierre Schaeffer), used them in a manner similar to that of today's producers and DJs, by essentially sampling and creating music that was entirely produced by the turntable. Cage's Imaginary Landscape No. 1 (1939) is composed for two variable speed turntables, frequency recordings, muted piano and cymbal. Even earlier, Edgard Varèse experimented with turntables in 1930, though he never formally produced any works using them.
This school of thought and practice is directly linked to the current definition of hlp hop-related turntablism, though it has had an influence on modern experimental sound artists and composers such as Christian Marclay, Kid Koala, Otomo Yoshihide, Philip Jeck, DJ QBert and Janek Schaefer. These artists are the direct descendants of people such as John Cage and Pierre Schaeffer and are often credited as a variant to the modern turntablist DJ and producer.
>>64201507
This isn't music
It's a bunch of atonal garbage
Music pass 1950 isn't worth listening to imo
>>64201473
how can you disprove arguments about a subjective topic
>>64201507
wait are the strings sampled? if so that's pretty sick.
>>64201498
I agree. Any "music" that uses electricity needs to be destroyed and we need to usher in a new age of acoustic music. Garbage like Queen, AC/DC, the Beatles, etc destroyed music.
all i can say is that i'm not a big fan of hip hop/rap music, but when i hear something randomly that i like, i hate to find out that 80% of the song is sampled and all they added was some triplet 808 hats and sub bass and claim the piece as an original. i just can't get behind that.
>>64201519
>actually defending memerap
lmao
>>64201507
holy fuck that's crazy man
>>64201554
You'll really hate plunderphonics then.
>>64201560
>turntablism = rap
lmao
>>64201560
>turntablism != memerap
>>64201564
Why most plunderphonics barely sounds like the music it sampled.
>>64201566
>>64201573
too easy
Better luck next time, boys
>>64201498
>Acoustic instruments are the only valid method to make music
composers don't care about particular instruments, because their music exists first of all, in their head, and second, as written down notes. Real composers couldn't care less about some pieces of wood or electronics.
>>64201519
Agreed
>>64201652
i think you're getting pranked familia
>>64201538
almost everything is sampled
>>64201529
have you heard Stravinsky or Schoenberg?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE82a2YNyMM
>>64201417
nah
This whole thread is bait. Of course sampling can be done effectively and creatively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d01fwczBHp0
classical music with samples
I honestly feel bad for people who can't get modern music
god i fucking hate this board
>>64201507
man I really thank you for posting this it's one of the most creative things I ever heard. This is amazing. So beautiful and powerful.
>>64201746
What would you do if your acidhead friends came up to you and ask if you wanna join their industrial bluegrass outfit while dressing up in nite-glo? Would you do it?
>>64201554
not all sampling is equal. I agree man a lot of people are really lazy and steal too much and do very little to it, and i hate that side of sampling.
But i get a massive hard on when i hear a piece of music tastefully reappropriated and have tremendous respect for those who have the talent do use samples effectively and in progressive ways
>>64201450
>actually can create a sound
>develop an amazing way to create music
>always sound fresh and new
>accessible to the ordinary creative people
>almost kill all those idiots threechordsdudeweedlmaoprogressiveshit core
Are you clinical stupid?
>>64201417
As if knowing music theory is the basis of creating powerful music. If anything, sampling gets rid of the dullness of rule-based composition and industry practices like acquiring studio musicians. Sampling as an option only increases the availability of certain sounds and textures that would otherwise be limited to certain players of certain instruments in certain times and places. And the more broad a musician's sonic pallet, the more likely they are to create truly original music.
>>64201885
palette*
>>64201885
>the more likely they are to create truly original music.
Stopped reading right there
>>64201885
Knowing a basic level of music theory is super useful even in sampling. Understanding song structure, rhythms, chord progressions all factor in to a good beat. It's not essential but to say it doesn't factor in is kinda stupid
>>64201913
Music theory is just theory, Christians!!
>>64201885
Damn. /thread
All though it was obviously a bate thread to begin with. Is there alot of amateur producers who know nothing about music theory? Yah but id say theres also a ton of amateur producers who also know music theory. Music theory does not equal creative music
>>64201938
Fuck i bet the guy is gonna be super confused when he sees this
>>64201943
No, but it usually leads to more enjoyable music.
>>64201913
Oh, I absolutely agree there. Years ago, I was considering going for a music major in college, but after a year's worth of theory courses I decided against it. Simply because I realized that actually committing oneself completely to the formulas and practices of music which revolves around such theory can be very limiting. I have always found that, while being able to speak about structures and harmonies and progressions formally can be useful for communication, actually creating them involves, most often, avoiding the typical patterns you're used to analyzing.
So long story short, I didn't mean it doesn't factor in. It certainly can help. I just meant that it's not the basis, the most crucial factor. The essence. Which, for me, has always been diversity and complexity of approach
>>64201909
Glad you stopped reading at the very end of the post
>>64201943
Definitely bait, but hey, a lot of people really haven't considered this enough.
>>64201954
Yah I agree that music theory is helpful in creating more enjoyable music but you can still make enjoyable music without it
I think alot of amateur producers are afraid that music theory will limiy their creativity which is a dumb myth.
>>64201964
only reason to study music is to network blud
>>64201954
Enjoyable music is fucking overrated and for gay people
>>64201417
You can't elaborate a valid, permanent definition of a movement, and art (=music) is a movement, so its changes through time and the action of different artists are what shape it. Its quality is up to the subjective evaluation of each fan, so therefore your attempt at asking if a personal point of view is objectively true cannot really be answered.
>>64201417
>sampling is music
>Led Zeppelin are thieves
Time to put one to rest
>music
>downhill
>2001
Music has been going to shit since it started in 1910. That's common knowledge.
>>64201594
Yikes...
>>64201417
I play multiple instruments as well as sample when in the mood for it and I can say it depends. There are many examples of peolle just straight sampling someone else's music and singing, rapping, etc over it but then there are many many examples of how creative and skillful sampling can be in a lot of rap and electronica. For example Smack my Bitch Up by The Prodigy is just a bunch of songs put together but they are reworked using theory to the point where they not only fit together but are completely unrecognizable
>>64201671
>>64201717
>>64201909
>>64201594
>>64201439
>>64201417
>>64201507
>>64202191
>>64202023(AKA Scaruffi)
>>64201829
>>64201560
>they fell for the “music is good” meme
>>64201507
>There are people in this thread who have never heard of venetian snares.
> they think their opinion on sampling matters
If I make a movie by editing scenes from other different movies together in a way that still makes sense, did I just make a new movie?
>>64201417
KANYE IS THE GREATEST COMPOSER OF ALL TIME. ALL YOU CHINKS AND CRACKAS GET REAL MAD WHEN U SEE A REAL NIGGA MAKE IT.
>>64201829
Dumb fucking weeaboo go back to >>>/a/
/mu/ does NOT welcome pedophiles.
>not music
>not expressive
>not transformative
>not a heart wrenching document of coming to terms with one's own incipient demise
baka family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC3Cthm0HFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC3Cthm0HFU
>>64203239
Yes.
the process doesn't matter, only the end result
now,
>an album created by sampling the greatest moments from the greatest albums of all time, would naturally be the greatest album of all time
is this true?
Ehh who gives a shit.
Theirs more important issues to worry about
>>64201964
Music theory isn't a set of rules, is a tool to help identify things to further strengthen your understanding of why you like they way things sound.
It's sounds to me you took theory too literal.
>>64201439
The difference is synths still require skill.
>>64201697
Schoenberg is trash.
>>64205320
Sampling is often done with synths too lmao
>>64205320
What if you're doing sample-based granular synthesis?
>>64201805
This. I think sampling can be done well, but most people don't do it well. If the artist sampling can make it sound original and unique without going "hey guys I rapped over a sampled Queen riff", then it's done well.
That said I still think playing instruments takes more effort and skill than sampling effectively.
>>64205396
>but most people don't do it well
You don't know what a sampler is. Please stop.
>>64205391
>>64205349
That's completely different and I don't argue against that, but that's not the type of sampling OP'S image is referring to.
>>64203861
No not at all, the flow of the album wouldn't exist
>>64203861
of course not
if the greatest painters of history collaborated in a painting it would probably be shit
>>64201417
No. If you think it's true, go listen to 'Entroducing' by DJ Shadow.
>>64201652
of course it's important. a certain instrument has a certain sound, which is a often a big part of your composition. of course compositions often work on multiple levels on different instruments.
>>64201671
>Alanposting
i'm ok with this
>>64205433
I'm not taking about synthesized sampling though things like Kontakt, I'm referring to the types of music that just take lines straight out of other music. Like Saint Pepsi taking old disco/motown songs and barely touching them.
I honestly can't take this opinion seriously, especially after listening to the beats produced by guys like Premier. The way he uses samples and arranges them in ways that sound nothing like (end even better than) the original recording requires incredible skill and musicality.
>>64201417
>implying music theroy is a good thing
>implying get rid of music theory to get "pure creativity" isn't a good thing
>implying understanding music theory is better than understanding physical phenomenons behind music (like DJs do)
>>64206672
Sounds like someone likes atonal shit and noise.
Either that or your into hip pop and know literally nothing about theory.
>>64206672
>Physical phenomenon
You mean sound waves and psychoacoustics? That's a bullshit reason if I've ever heard one.
When you start to ignore theory you get shit like this:
https://youtu.be/S_ScyKztGA0
>>64203307
Im not a pedophile. Stop making those rudes claims.
>>64201417
>>64201450
>>64201498
>>64205320
Music doesn't have to be good or original to be music.
>>64207688
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