Are you an autist or something? Is this some kind of sick post-irony meme? Holy fuck, this shit is so terrible. And I thought grimes was band. Holy shit! Hey, I'm just pressing random notes on my sax, people'll love it xDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUAX-gBEY0
>>64168297
Why are plebeians allowed on /mu/?
>>64168397
>muh improvisation
>2deep4you
>i'm smart and patrician cuz i listen to shitty music for its image, even though i hate every fucking second of it.
you're the pleb here
who listened to free jazz and enjoyed it?
me, I did
it's a cool and creative form of self expression
>>64168297
SON there is GOOD free jazz too! It's just when it's bad it's fucking garbage.
>>64168297
This recording is so fucking legendary
Saw Evan live once and his ability to create and destroy complex patterns while circular breathing for 30 minutes is nothing short of astonishing. His music is so immersive and he took the sax to another level
>>64168297
i do.
jazz in general has to be some of the most creative music out.
then, it goes even further, bb.
enjoy planet earth, this spaceship is leaving.
>>64168502
so do you enjoy his music for his technique and breathing, instead of for what it sounds like? OK, i'm out.
>>64168460
so i'm just stumbled in a bad free jazz, huh? care to show me some good ones? No ornette, don cherry, coltrane, pharoah brötzmann, ayler pls
>>64168446
I'm listening to it now.
It's mindblowing and in a good way
>>64168566
here are some Northern European groups I've seen live and enjoyed recently (although live jazz YouTube's are generally the worst) - if you don't like any of those big names, I bet you won't like these but I won't really care
Dog Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_kusRhdQg
Mette Rasmussen & Chris Corsano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKKKvcVvh20
Jorma Tapio & Kaski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOOntq-z-3w
Pepa Päivinen & Good Romans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69naWAuYmmw
I find free jazz to be a creative and evocative art form that I really enjoy experiencing live
>>64168924
trolling aside, i'm going to really try to understand this genre, because right now, I feel no connection to it whatsoever. Even noise music, I find much more amusing. Thanks for sharing.
>>64168566
>>64169735
At what point does free sounding music start sounding bad to you? Do you like The Shape of Jazz to Come or is that too out there? What about freeish post-bop stuff like A Love Supreme?
>>64168566
>so do you enjoy his music for his technique and breathing, instead of for what it sounds like? OK, i'm out.
yeah you can enjoy music in more than one way, you know?
>>64169735
yeah, I think free jazz is really interesting in that losing the safety net of a form that everyone is familiar with and traditional harmony, there's more of a need for the players to come up with some interesting dramatic arc on the spot
it's often an interesting exercise in the very fundamental building blocks of a satisfying musical experience amidst all the weirdness
>>64168432
>Making this many assumptions about a person who you know near to nothing about
Are you this insecure?
>>64169787
Jazz has been my favorite genre since I've started to listen to it, about only 6 months ago, and I've diggin' the shit out of it. So... answering your question, yes... I liked A Love Supreme and The Shape of Jazz to Come is probably my one of my favs from the 50s (if not the one). But when it comes to free sounding music, I still don't feel appealing at all.
When there's some kind of melody and a "theme" tied to the song, I can really enjoy it (conference of birds is pretty good). However, when I dive into really 'free jazz' (atonal stuff with no sense of harmony or melody, I find it annoying). I hate Brotzmann.
So yea, I'm kinda 'studying' the genre.
>>64169735
It's about patterns, tension, chance, play, language, among other things. The Snake Decides is like waterfall of sonic patterns mutating which just immerses me when I listen to it. I find it very much like harsh noise - consuming, foreign, transcendental..
>>64168924
Chris Corsano is one of the best drummers I've seen live. Great duos with Mette online
>>64169979
that was the best i could interpret from your reply. It didn't fit quite right, uhhg? That's ok. We were both memeing.
>>64169996
yeah, Corsano is great in how he plays like a whirlwind but there's always some sense to it
one drummer who I think is somewhat similar to Corsano is Paal Nilssen-Love of The Thing - he's often a little bit more primitive, though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovQIB9xZjfY
>>64169993
Brotzmann is at the end of the spectrum where there isn't always a lot going on musically and sometimes the pieces are only trying to play with timbre.
You look at some REALLY free stuff but by a really good musician like Coltrane and you can hear them do wonders with the approach.
Take a track like The Father Son and Holy Ghost, which just seems like noise at first glance but if you listen to Coltrane and focus on what he's playing it's really compelling. He plays this little simple melody that he starts out playing very plainly and almost like a nursery rhyme with the simplicity of the phrasing but as the song progresses he's playing around with that same theme and evolving it, transposing it around the saxophone into this really passionate ALS tier call to God.
i think the main problem is people assuming that free jazz is this separate entity from the rest of jazz, which is a misunderstanding propagated by plenty of shitty low-effort "experimental" music self-labeled as free improvisation, as well as free-jazz "influenced" music incorporating the extended techniques without any of the core concepts behind the practice.
so then people think that they could like, understand what they're even listening to on a Bailey or Braxton recording when they lack the vocabulary and experience necessary to understand a Monk or Miles cut.
This is disastrous because free jazz directly grew out of the modern jazz practice. It's defined by adventurous decisions, intensely personal styles, virtuosity ability, collective improvisation, heavy understanding of theory and its applications, and so on.
The idea that you could understand Evan Parker without understanding John Coltrane, or understand John Coltrane without understanding Coleman Hawkins, is as ridiculous as expecting someone to get string theory without an education in fundamental physical concepts.
>>64169993
here's Brötzmann playing a tune and I think this is just fantastic - big fan of this kind of playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xa75w-vEXk
the melody is Einheitsfrontlied by Bertolt Brecht and Hanns Eisler with a little bit of free freaking out in the middle - delicious
>>64171489
Well fuck I love this
Any album of his with this kind of playing?
>>64171557
hmh. can't think of a really melody based Brötzmann album, but just throwing some other ideas here
The Last Exit band with electric guitar and bass puts the sax freaking in a nice context, I think - instead of being obnoxius wankery you just kind of feel it as an exciting electric guitar, no big deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKYq4H3-iKM
also another Brötzmann project with Bill Laswell - Low Life has an interesting sound - almost ambient with a harsh edge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aelaQJG_1DA
also I quite like many of his duet's with drummers - here's something with Paal Nilssen-Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MB8cnYrgF8
>>64168297
what did snake decide on dorito or ritz-bit ??
>>64170194
Wow very cool I'll have to check out more of his work
>>64172193
I think The Thing is well worth checking out - the sax player Mats Gustafsson is basically a next generation Brötzmann with more range and who knows how to have a rocking good time occasionally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcMFUKzm1o
>>64171489
Oh wow. I didn't know Brotzmann could play this way. The weird extended techniques sound really interesting when he calms down a bit and tries to articulate more musical ideas.
>>64168297
LOL @ this shit and all the people trying to defend it. This is the musical equivalent of those 'painters' that literally spray diarrhea out of their asshole onto a canvas
>>64171352
can you give examples of the shitty low-effort experimental music self-labeled as free improvisation?
>>64168297
this is very very good
sweet love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmo30r3OXI
this is like the shittiest bait i've ever seen and you retards still bite
