http://www.whathifi.com/news/48-people-who-buy-vinyl-dont-listen-to-records
When is this bubble finally going to pop?
What does it matter?
>>64046612
Why does it matter what they're doing with their records?
As long as they keep the industry afloat it's good enough for me
Is it any different to the people on here who hoard digital files and never listen to them (and probably never will because of how much they have?)
>>64046612
well... obviously.. Buying vinyl is usually only done to score some hipster poontang
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>>64046657
This.
>>64046657
>>64046669
No, because nobody who hoards digital copies actually pay for them. That's more like if this survey did a study on how many people stole records and took them home and didn't listen to them.
>>64046636
>>64046646
it just drives home the stereotype that modern day record collectors are image obsessed millennials
imagine buying a 20 dollar book then just fondling it while you read a pdf copy you googled a few days earlier. nobody would ever do that.
>>64046725
Probably because reading a physical book is easier for your eyes and for your body to read than a PDF. There's really no convenience in reading a PDF over the actual book. Compared to vinyl and digital files, where digital will be so much easier to play. People can still buy vinyl to support their favourite artists or labels or whatever.
>>64046743
they could also buy the digital files
>>64046753
Sure, but people are generally not as inclined to buy intangible things like digital music, if the same money could give them something they can hold.
It can't pop soon enough.
>>64046646
>As long as they keep the industry afloat it's good enough for me
You do know that small labels which have been dedicated to vinyl all along for decades when most people considered it a dead format are getting massively fucked over by major labels throwing money at the pressing plants in order to get them to put the tiny experimental music label's 500-large edition LP in the back and prioritize shitting out those Lana Del Rey records and yet another series of Beatles reissues, right?
None of the right people are benefiting from this stupid fucking fad.
>>64046743
>There's really no convenience in reading a PDF over the actual book.
sure there is.
1) you don't have to turn the pages
2) you don't have to use bookmarks
3) you can copy and paste the text into a text reader and have your very own macgyver'd audiobook
i'm mostly taking the piss here, especially with that third point, but the convenience of digital playback over vinyl playback is extremely minimal. 41% of those 48% of people already have turntables, which they presumably know how to use. it takes maybe 30 seconds to remove a record from its sleeve, place it on the mat, and drop the needle. the 30 seconds and mildest amount of convenience you earn from completely ignoring the thing you just paid 20 dollars for does not outweigh the fact that you're completely ignoring the thing you just paid 20 dollars for.
also, the "support the artists/label" argument doesn't work because you can just buy the CD instead. it's physical, it has the artwork, you financially support who you want to support. there's literally no argument to be found in this specific realm for buying vinyl over cd unless you actually listen to the record you buy. maybe there are other arguments, but none as far as "they just want to support the artist"
>>64046810
This.
There seems to be a misconception that record sales = good for record labels by default.
This article is only tangentially related (it has to do with Record Store Day and how its popularity has caused trouble for record stores and many record labels) but is related nonetheless.
http://thequietus.com/articles/19946-record-store-day-2016-shops-bad-reissues-bleugh
>>64046612
I rarely listen to mine. Its more about owning physical copys of my favourite albums. Sometimes about supporting smaller artist and labels.
>>64046817
>1) you don't have to turn the pages
Sure you do, just in a different way.
>2) you don't have to use bookmarks
Sure you do, just in a different way.
But that's not where the convenience lies - paper is easier on your eyes compared to a screen. e-Ink is good, but most people won't use it unless they're really into books.
> it takes maybe 30 seconds to remove a record from its sleeve, place it on the mat, and drop the needle
Yeah, but it takes literally 0 seconds to click play in your media player. When changing album, you just click play on another one. And you can make playlists. And you can skip songs. The list just goes on.
Digital playback is hilariously much more convenient than vinyl.
>also, the "support the artists/label" argument doesn't work because you can just buy the CD instead. it's physical, it has the artwork, you financially support who you want to support. there's literally no argument to be found in this specific realm for buying vinyl over cd unless you actually listen to the record you buy. maybe there are other arguments, but none as far as "they just want to support the artist"
Sure, but you have to remember it comes down to buying an artifact that you won't be using anyway. Since you're listening on a computer, would you rather own the record that is larger, heavier, feels like you get more for your money, and can even be seen as a sort of status symbol; or do you go for the CD, which just represents the dying medium?
>>64046870
>Sure you do, just in a different way.
scrolling is hilariously more convenient than turning a page
>paper is easier on your eyes compared to a screen
this is literally the only thing you've said that holds water
>Since you're listening on a computer, would you rather own the record that is larger, heavier, feels like you get more for your money, and can even be seen as a sort of status symbol
>a status symbol
this is the problem.
>or do you go for the CD, which just represents the dying medium?
did you not read the article? CDs still represent well over 75% of sales among physical audio formats. the only people who think the CD is a dying medium are people who have fallen back entirely on cloud/streaming services (read: short sighted idealists) or people who give too much credence to the rising record sales.
>>64046953
>scrolling is hilariously more convenient than turning a page
Not really, no. Scrolling is much more difficult to keep track when you're reading compared to turning a page.
>this is the problem.
It's not a problem at all. This is how cultures work.
>did you not read the article? CDs still represent well over 75% of sales among physical audio formats. the only people who think the CD is a dying medium are people who have fallen back entirely on cloud/streaming services (read: short sighted idealists) or people who give too much credence to the rising record sales.
No, people who think CDs are a dying medium understand that the future lies in streaming or downloading, possibly with some extra physical artifact. This is already happening, which is why the vinyl sales are increasing. People want the convenience and audio quality of digital downloads/streaming, but want the physical artifact of vinyl. CDs give neither.
>>64046725
sounds like you are the one making the most effort to justify their image...stop worrying what other people are doing.
>>64046990
>It's not a problem at all.
it 100% is. people buying into image laden overpriced shit for the sake of aesthetic or social status (like record store day exclusive bile) is actively harming record stores and independent labels.
>This is how cultures work.
people buying into a trend to be fashionable are not absolved of criticism just because it's "how cultures work".
>People want the convenience and audio quality of digital downloads/streaming, but want the physical artifact of vinyl. CDs give neither.
that sounds exceedingly subjective. when you buy a CD, you spend less than you would on a vinyl copy, can rip it to get a digital copy, and have a physical copy that you own forever, or as long as you can take care of it.
if you honestly think the vinyl bubble is a sign that vinyl will outlive CDs, then you're delusional. CDs *are* dying in that they will be replaced by streaming, but that's because all physical media is going to be replaced by streaming, not because vinyl is going to outlive CDs.
>>64047036
don't know how you came to that conclusion and it's completely off base but aight
>>64046990
Based hamp
>>64047094
Well your wrong in that vinyl will outlast CDs.
For what ever reason people WANT to own vinyl. Currently nobody really wants to own CD's, they do if their car doesn't have an Aux input. Thats it, in 2016 thats the only reason people still buy CD's.
People like vinyl, even if they don't like the hassle of actually using them. Thats not really a bad thing. Its illogical, but not bad.
>>64047654
>For what ever reason
because it's trendy.
the trend will die down, and the vinyl bubble will pop, and the status quo will more or less be restored. numbers will be much higher than they were in the 90s and 00s, but nowhere near as high as they are now.
vinyl isn't getting a resurgence because it's superior to CDs; it's inherently inferior in literally every feasible way. it's less convenient to listen to and requires time/money to get a turntable/pre-amp/speaker setup, it's more expensive, it's less durable, you only get one digital download and can't continually fall back on it to rip the audio like you can with a CD, and it's not as portable.
the one and only benefit that vinyl has over CD is bigger art and fun inserts, which is why it's on the uprise. it has no benefits over CD otherwise, and once this trend dies down, CDs will once again overtake records as far as physical sales goes and digital sales will continue to completely overshadow both.
>Currently nobody really wants to own CD's
you are right. nobody really wants to own CDs. they're not as fashionable as records and not as convenient as digital. in the coming years, we may see record sales match CD sales (it's currently at about an 80:20 cd to record ratio so that's a while off) someday, but when records stop being fashionable, CDs will bounce back. ultimately though, a generation of short sighted idiots will continue to think that cloud and streaming services are a good idea and that physical copies of things you like are pointless, and digital copies will come to replace both.
