ITT: musicians whose work you admire, but they seem like shitty people
>>64023970
accurate
>>64023970
Varg Vikernes
also carrie brownstein
much love for s-k and portlandia but she seems like a pretentious humourless asshat in all the interviews i've seen
corin seems nice tho
>>64023970
What's wrong with Billy Corgan? Not trolling, I don't know anything about this guys private life.
>>64024741
He's a prick. To everyone. Always.
>>64024741
He's fallen out with pretty much everyone who's ever worked with him. He's a well documented control freak, chemtrails conspiricy nut, jesus freak and general bitter asshole. It's well known that he alienated and ostracized his entire band in the 90s, which is why the SPs broke up in the first place. He's a transphobe, there was some controversy where he threatened to assault a tranny (I know /mu/ is full of edgy teenagers who hate trannies too, but I think threatening to attack people because of their mental health issues is out of order t b h). There's a hilarious interview on youtube where he complains about how Dave Grohl is seen as a contemporary artist while he is seen as a washed-up 90s hack. Dave Pajo of Tortoise describes him as being like a real life version of Alan Partridge. He has this weird beef with Pavement, there was that article where he said he'd "piss on Pavement and Radiohead". IDK, there's countless others. All of this is easy to find on google.
>>64024741
Look at the picture it looks like he eats children
thom yorke
>>64024860
can you tell why like >>64024823 did?
>>64024901
he has hthe weird eye thing
>>64024860
I don't think Yorke is so bad, he's a bit pretentious and weird and uncharismatic but he's probably a decent guy.
>>64024713
I like Sleater Kinney and all but i just don't like Portlandia. I appreciate all the music jokes but i just don't find it funny most of the time. I guess i just 'dont get it'
>>64024823
Longtime SP fan here.
All of this is true unfortunately.
>>64024949
Thom is really pretentious, but I haven't really heard anything too bad about him besides that. I remember a story where Kanye went up to him at an awards show and told him he was a fan and Thom ignored him. Kanye's a piece of shit though, so I guess I don't care.
>>64024823
>because of their mental health issues
you couldn't resist being one of those edgy teenagers yourself, could you?
>>64024980
Are you suggesting that gender dysphoria isn't a mental health issue?
>>64024708
She seems fine to me. She's just very private and very introspective. She's always warm when she's in her element. If you watch videos of her with people like Sara Watkins, you see her fun side come out.
>>64024980
but that's literally what it is. something wrong in their brains. that doesn't mean they're subhuman, of course, just different due to an 'error'
(not him)
>>64024990
>>64025055
You could argue that it's more of a problem of society as we know it having gender roles.
Women in men's bodies would have less of a problem if it was alright for them to wear dresses and makeup, to overly simplify it.
In a world where everyone expresses their gender the way they want, it's not a mental health issue.
In the real world that's not a friendly utopia, it's a mental health issue. Not saying that society needs to change all that. But it's only "wrong in their brains because we imposed rules for what's "right" in a brain at some point.
The same way that autism could be a "healthy" thing like synesthesia, it's just that we decided at some point that it didn't work. Brains are so different, and every difference to another brain can be categorized as "wrong in their brains".
I'm not even defending anyone here, I'm just saying that I don't think you can easily say that it is or isn't a mental HEALTH thing. But it IS a mental thing.
Deadmau5
Good music, likes to experiment with shit
But holy fuck is he reddit tier
"I am a master troll" and shit, he's always angry too, not someone I'd want to hang out with.
I feel like Neil Young used to be a shitty person, but he got over that phase and now regrets being that way.
>>64025210
haha, i think it's the opposite. He is the only honest human in EDM but his music is really bad.
>>64025259
everyone says that, but no one has any example. What are some bad things he did?
>>64025131
You're an idiot.
>>64025210
I get the feeling that he really just wants to do minimal techno or pretend he's Trent Reznor.
I think he has admitted somewhere that he made electro house only for the money.
>>64024980
I was thinking the same thing.
No to mention he made sure to use the pejorative term. It's like someone saying "I'm not one of those edgy teenagers, I don't even hate niggers!"
>>64025792
>I get the feeling that he really just wants to do minimal techno or pretend he's Trent Reznor.
i guess he knows that he is not good enough for 'real music'. he seems to be smart. he could easily do both.
>>64025131
this is b8
there is nothing with being a transgender, same for homosexuality.
but isn't something due to "society"
autism have nothing to do with it, autism is a structure, not a particular symptom.
and ask anyone who grew out of severe autism, generally they prefer NOT being autistic and being able to talk and exist.
all of sonic youth too, not just him.
>>64024595
he looks kind of like the elephant man or quasimodo
>>64024823
id piss on pavement too
>>64024695
he seems like a great guy desu senpai
>>64026261
*nothing wrong* sorry
>>64025131
>>64024980
it's classified as a mental disorder by the ICD fuck off
>>64025131
science is like so stupid!!
>>64026300
Thurston and Kim always seemed like complete pretentious assholes. Mainly their obsession in categorizing people into punk or not, "in the scene" or not, etc. Lee is chill though. No idea about their drummer. Also, Thurston is a pretentious cunt but boy can he put on a good show.
>>64024823
To be fair the band breaking up wasn't entitely his fault. Wretzky was a junky and left the band, causing the instability that led to Machina's incompletion, Chamberlain was also a junkie, their keyboardist, another junkie, OD'd, etc. Plus, he released plenty of great stuff since Adore but people kept expecting 90's Pumpkins all over again, I can see from where his frustration comes (better stuff than fucking Foo fighters that's for sure). But yeah he's still an asshole most of the time.
>>64023970
My uncle went to a Smashing Pumpkins show back in the 90s and apparently Billy Corgan got mad at the fans so they played every song twice as fast and he screamed into the mic the whole time
>>64024723
What did Jamie ever do?
>>64026360
You understand that gender dysphoria refers to the distress caused by gender identity issues and not to adults who have transitioned, right?
And the ICD still seems to confuse "transsexualism" with cross dressing, so it's nice that you decided to cite this 20+ year old document to argue your shitty opinion.
>>64026436
>Wretzky was a junky and left the band, causing the instability that led to Machina's incompletion
Incorrect. Most SP albums had Billy on bass, she literally was not needed. Also, machina was completed.
>Chamberlain was also a junkie
Who sobered up.
>he released plenty of great stuff since Adore but people kept expecting 90's Pumpkins all over again,
Yeah Teargarden is fantastic lol
>(better stuff than fucking Foo fighters that's for sure)
Oceania is about equal to present Day Foo Fighters and Monuments is worse than present day Foo Fighters.
>>64027724
This.
Wretzky didn't leave the band, she was kicked out by Corgan... and Billy performed the majority of bass on Machina (like he did on most albums).
Jimmy was sober by then. The keyboardist wasn't an official member of the band and his death was in 1996.
Everytime Billy works with musicians, he ends up declaring them the worst human beings ever and completely burns all bridges with said musicians. Is it a coincidence that everyone he ever works with ends up calling him an asshole? Even the people from Zwan hate him.
Everything post Machina is complete shit with the exception of Oceania, which is mostly shit. Billy has spent the last ten years chasing fame and it's not working at all. Then he has the gall to blame everyone else for his shitty sales.
>>64026452
>based corgan
>>64024741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiqRaDbjioU
>>64024723
How can someone even admire Xiu Xiu but not Jamie Steward? Xiu Xiu is Jamie Stewart projected in musical form.
>>64024980
>>64028337
The guy is also pretty bat shit insane:
>befriended/date Tila "Nazi's were misunderstood!" Tequila
>believes that the government is using chemtrails to brainwash people (doesn't effect billy tho :^)
>good friends with Alex fucking Jones
>believes Anderson Cooper worked with the CIA to try to ruin his career
>believes in a global Illuminati conspiracy
>believes in a conspiracy to ruin "the family"
He also recently announced his support of... who else? Donald fucking Trump.
>>64025131
Wanting a penis insted of a vagina (or the other way around) has nothing to do with society. Our society didn't give you those genetic traits
>>64028337
Holy shit lol. Corgan's a piece of shit.
>>64028337
>>64028663
>>64029120
I'm not saying Corgan isn't an asshole, but I'm p sure he retracted this
>>64028663
Tila is not that bad, I met her and spent some time with her and she's ok even if a bit loony, she paid for my dinner btw so I'm biased
>>64027627
i'm have nothing agaisn't transgender peoples and sex change is actually the best method to treat gender dysphoria but gender disphoria is VERY related to borderline personality disorder and even the DSM 5 aknowledge gender dysphoria as a mental issue.
something being a mental issue doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's related to underlying issues that are of psychiatric nature.
however just like homosexuality, gender dysphoria isn't causing trouble to anyone.
>>64025131
Kill yourself
>>64029177
He did, after legal threats from Billy.
>>64029195
The DSM-5 reclassified gender dyphoria to refer to the discontent resulting from gender dysphoria, so I'm not sure why you'd chose to cite that.
You usage of the word issue has a negative connotation implying it's something to be fixed. Perhaps most telling is that you're now grouping homosexuality as a mental disorder with gender dysphoria. I'd like to know what the "underlying issues that are of a psychiatric nature" in relation to homosexuality.
>>64029352
>nearly 42% of adult males have contemplated suicide
holy shit, even being a dude is a mental illness
>>64029622
Contemplating and attempting are two extremely different things, you delusional fuck
>>64025131
Trans people also experience dysphoria related to stuff like having breasts or deep voices as well though, it's not just about gender roles even if they don't make it any easier.
>>64029261
Nah, he's just really quiet/ awkward.
>>64023970
Richard Wagner is the ultimate example for this.
Beethoven also seems like a bit of an ass but I think he meant well.
>>64029261
Why do you think Mascis is a shitty person? I've never heard anything but that crushes me
>>64029678
Are you really surprised that a minority group that is the most oppressed in the world has higher rates of depression and suicide? And you've linked that to an innate quality of being transgender? Do I need to tell you why this is retarded?
>>64029749
>>64029796
I've heard he's a control freak, also there's footage of him attacking Barlow with his guitar. Apparently he's calmed down quite a bit.
>>64023970
Here's an anecdote for you:
> at 'pumpkins gig in UK couple years ago
> some really long in the tooth fans in crowd
> pissed guy starts heckling BC, shouting and raving and acting up, off his tits
> 'Corgan responds:
"If you're not happy here, go somewhere that will make you happy. Just go."
> at any rate, dude gets carried out by security
> show goes on
Always kinda stuck with me, the way he kept his composure, didn't rise to it, he wasn't even bitter.
>>64029923
Here's another anecdote from you:
>guy heckles billy during Zeitgeist tour
>Billy let's him on stage to vent
>after he leaves, Billy rips into him
>“By the way, I like that song you wrote — ‘Take Your Dick Out Of My Ass And Stick It In My Mouth.’ It was a big hit in Europe.”
Get it? The guy who heckled him was a gay man!
>>64030040
*for you
>>64029923
>billy_and_the_replacement_pumpkins.jpg
For fuck's sake. Did he have to try so hard to make his new band look like his old band?
>>64023970
>interview with James Iha
>aren't you even a little sad that you haven't spoken to Billy in over 10 years?
>no, not really
>>64029923
>that replacement asian and girl
>>64030079
everything he does is an attempt to become relevant again
if he'd just stop trying to reach the success he had in the 90s, focus on making music he actually liked and stopped surrounding himself with yes men.. maybe we'd have a decent album
instead he keeps making music he thinks the "kids" want to hear and bitches when no one gives a fuck about his shitty music
>>64024695
Despite being a racist murder nazi, he seems pretty chill
>>64030105
jeff isn't asain
>>64030133
>despite these extremely negative qualities, he's a good person!
Yeah dude, if you ignore the genocide and the warmongering, Hitler wasn't so bad.
>>64030154
he's gotta have a little asian in him
>>64030109
How so?
>>64026452
>screamed into the mic the whole time
So no difference there
>>64030191
>has literally killed salieri
he's the courtney love of classical music
>>64030191
Refuses to come to Brazil.
>>64026487
Be gay
>>64030170
I never said he was a "good" person he just seems like someone you could have a conversation with once at a dinner party and never talk to again
>>64026365
I think Jesse is just socially awkward
>>64030170
>implying hitler did something wrong
>>64030170
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>"""""""""""""""""""person""""""""""""""""""""""
>""HE'S""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>64030154
>>64030178
He's part Korean, James was full Japanese.
I do think Billy chooses bandmates based on how much they look like his old band. Every bassist has been a woman.
>>64030258
>le edgy 4chan meme XD
>>64030239
I'm sure Hitler would be an interesting dinner guest too.
>>64030191
He was a petulant narcissist who composed a song telling everyone who didn't like him to lick his ass because a woman turned down his marriage proposal, with a laugh like dragging a rock across piano wire.
>>64030282
>le post-war jewish indoctrination xD
>>64029102
But it's society that projects the fact that it's a mental health issue, or abnormal you little determinstic edgelord not everything is friggin physics
>>64030319
>>>/r/The_Donald
>>64030040
isn't billy corgan gay himself though?
>>64030483
No, he just had his first child with his wife.
He could be closeted though.
>>64025210
I really enjoy some of his music
but good lord he has a tentacle hentai tattoo that boy just ain't right. and his memes & "epic trolling" stuff can fuck off too. "The Veldt" always gets me regardless.
>>64027724
Oceania was fantastic and better than anything Foo Fighters have done in the 00's.
Machina I was good, but it could be SO much better. And no, it wasn't fully completed like Billy intended.
Machina II was also pretty good.
Teargarden and Zeitgeist were the only shit albums he made. That Zwan spin off album was also pretty enjoyable.
>>64030535
well bi then, in the 90s he was very open about his relationships with other men. But then again it seems to be the current trend for bi people to hate gay people... I hate the current culture...
>>64030640
He's pointing at us
>>64023970
I saw Billy Corgan a grocery store in Chicago yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw Billy trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started SCANNING it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any electrical infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
>>64025210
he doesn't seem that angry to me, in fact he seems pretty laid back these days.
>>64030662
>Oeania was fantastic and better than anything Foo Fighters have done in the 00's.
Fanatically forgettable, yes.
>Machina I was good, but it could be SO much better. And no, it wasn't fully completed like Billy intended.
Nice backpedaling
>Machina II was also pretty good.
At being an unpolished turd.
>Teargarden and Zeitgeist were the only shit albums he made. That Zwan spin off album was also pretty enjoyable.
This opinion is fine.
>>64030703
Source?
>>64030748
seems legit
>>64030791
fuck off, you are obviously just retarded
Keiji Haino always seemed like a pompous ass to me
I know for certain that Thighpaulsandra is a rather shameless asshole
Juntaro Yamanouchi is easily the most hated person in the Japanese underground
I'd still fug him
>>64030662
What makes you think Machina was incomplete? The songs were done, but Virgin wouldn't release the double album he wanted and didn't seem interested in Machina II after the first album flopped. That's one of the reasons he leaked Machina II online.
If anything, Virgin did him a favour. Machina isn't good enough to have two discs worth of material. A single disc version of Machina I/II would have been nice though if Billy lost the shitty "concept" and let up on the distortion a little bit.
But your original statement was the D'arcy prevented the album from being completed. Strange considering the album WAS recorded and was mostly recorded without her (like most albums).
>>64024723
jamie sterwart is rly nice if u dont believe me just email him
>>64030835
Epic! Thanks for the source
>>64024723
he's literally the nicest person ever
>>64030883
Not just D'arcy. I think the tensions they have been acumulating culminated with D'arcy being kicked or leaving or whatever, which definitely messed up with the release of Machina. The album has a shit ton of nice songs. It'd be great if it got a remaster (that loud ass production with Billy choirs everywhere is awful) it could rival their best stuff.
The songs were done but the concept suffered by not being released as it was intended. And yes, if you grab best stuff from the two Machinas you'd have a damn fine double album.
>>64030760
>Fanatically forgettable, yes.
Nah they sounded the most inspired in years, with some of their best material in years. Quasar, Panotpicon, Pale Horses, that spacious atmosphere, the for once interesting instrumentation, how can you not like that shit?
>Nice backpedaling
k
>At being an unpolished turd.
>This opinion is fine.
Seems to me you're going for the "all SP past the 90's is bad" meme withouth giving it a try.
>>64031078
>Nah they sounded the most inspired in years, with some of their best material in years. Quasar, Panotpicon, Pale Horses, that spacious atmosphere, the for once interesting instrumentation, how can you not like that shit?
Eh
>Seems to me you're going for the "all SP past the 90's is bad" meme withouth giving it a try.
Seems to me you ran out of arguments so you're going to stereotype me to discredit my argument, even though Machina was in the 90s and I just said Zwan was enjoyable.
Try harder pls
>>64030271
I think one bassist was an old dude from a 60s garage rock band but he was live only.
>>64031078
>Not just D'arcy. I think the tensions they have been acumulating culminated with D'arcy being kicked or leaving or whatever, which definitely messed up with the release of Machina
Incorrect. What messed up the release of Machina (as the double album) was the record label, because Corgan *had* to serve his ego and put out a career-killer like Adore. Had he been more reasonable, he could have had the backing for Machina. But no, his ego came in the way again.
>The songs were done but the concept suffered by not being released as it was intended
Wrong again. The concept suffered from being overly derivative in the first place, as well as being incomprehensible to anyone but himself.
>And yes, if you grab best stuff from the two Machinas you'd have a damn fine double album.
Goddamn back to the O board with you.
Oceania is defo a good record. Like, 7/10 some really nice stuff on it. Unfortunately it's the only decent thing he's done since Adore imo. Monuments was fucking awful
>>64031078
I don't think it was D'arcy though. They seemed okay with recording and continuing with Adore when Jimmy was kicked out, and they already recruited Auf der Maur. Pumpkins have always been 99% Billy (or at least that's what Billy claims), he could have kicked James out and continued fine. I think a lot of it had to do with fans losing interest in his artistic direction. Either way, the common theme with all of Billy's bandmates seem to be that they end up hating him.
>>64031232
Like he said, the concept was pretty incomprehensible and it was really silly.
I don't think Adore was a career killer though. Adore was the most respectable thing Billy did post Mellon Collie. The problem is that Billy was upset that Adore didn't sell as well as MC. That's when the Billy that is constantly trying to stay relevant through record sales was born.
>>64031310
It's okay, but it could really use Jimmy. That kid drummer was pretty meh.
Also, Billy's voice got worse but somehow is higher in the mix which really kills it for me. Billy getting confidence in his voice was the worst move he could make.
Maybe he should have stuck to writing about teen angst too, his lyrics are fucking terrible.
>>64031345
>I don't think Adore was a career killer though. Adore was the most respectable thing Billy did post Mellon Collie
The problem is he wants his cake and to eat it to. You can't be a commercial mainstream rock band on MTV, AND still trying to be an artist going for 100% artistic credibility. You can't cater to the world will also alienating them. Choose a side, or find a happy medium between the two.
>>64031421
>You can't be a commercial mainstream rock band on MTV, AND still trying to be an artist going for 100% artistic credibility.
I guess for a short while he did have both those things though. He was making music he truly believed in around SD/ MC and it was making him a megastar. For a brief period, his artistic vision was aligned with what the public wanted. Then the public wanted something else and it seems to have driven him slightly crazy.
I always find it funny how he features in that ep of the Simpsons about music going out of fashion and old rockers being lame. Time can be cruel.
>>64030105
Clearly not asian
>>64030752
I guess when I meant "he's always angry" I meant that he's easily pissed off.
Some dude on YouTube who goes by NFKRZ made a joke about him hitting a child with his fucking Nyan cat Lamborghini or some shit, deadmau5 then then blocked him and started talking shit about him while streaming rocket league.
And he posts shit to twitter like "lol, whoever trolls a troll must get a prize of some sort"
And then proceeds to call himself a master troll after getting salty af from one guy on twitter making a joke about him.
I like some of his music and he has some agreeable views on certain topics, but his reddit tier humor and "le trolled" stuff I dislike.
Though, at least he doesn't give a shit what people think of him, for the most part.
>>64026300
shitty noise boi
>>64031532
>He was making music he truly believed in around SD/ MC
In the SD remaster liner, he states that SD was his sell out album, an attempt to write pop songs because he didn't want to go broke. And then if you look at the early pre-Gish demos and their abandonment of their early Goth sound, one could argue he's always been a trend hopper in the guise of being a true, uncorruptible artist.
>>64031551
He's half Korean you dolt. Read the thread.
>>64031532
I think it was more that alt rock was starting to lose popularity.. and then Billy had that strangely misguided goth thing going on.
Smashing Pumpkins 2.0 seem to be drifting between trying to rekindle the flame from the 90s and trying to appeal to what "kids" want these days. Monuments was Billy trying hard to pander to what's popular these days.
>>64031694
Didn't one of the Zwan members accuse him of this? Apparently there's a lot of great material that he shelved and the album is just an attempt to cash in.
>>64024595
I feel like all the stuff in music tabloids has been pretty much in good fun. You can't say anything without being called an asshole anymore
>>64029912
nobody knows the reason for that but j and lou never got you know friendship
>>64031746
>Didn't one of the Zwan members accuse him of this? Apparently there's a lot of great material that he shelved and the album is just an attempt to cash in.
Oh that's right, I forgot.
Yeah, Mary/Star of the Sea was meant to be the pop album to commercially get their foot in the door. The follow-up album was supposed to be a live-in-the-studio album, like The Beatles Let It Be/Get Back. It was never completed (If it was even started).
And that's ignoring the albums-worth of material that Corgan write for Zwan that pre-dated the MSOTS album.
>>64024723
he's a complete bro what the fuck
Azealia Banks is pretty shitty. Her producers do most of the good work though.
>>64024823
>Dave Pajo of Tortoise
why the fuck would you say Tortoise when he was a part of Slint, a much wider known band on /mu/
Morrissey unfortunately, he's not a misunderstood truthteller anymore, he's just bitter and baiting everyone for attention
>>64033317
This
>>64033532
If I was dying of cancer I'd be bitter and baiting everyone for attention.
Although admittedly he's been doing it for like 25 years
>>64030864
I know that about Juntaro, which is why I love him. If you bring his name up anywhere, people would openly deny knowing him.
>>64030864
Haino-san has several pretentious views about art and lifestyle, but behind it all, he seems pretty decent and laid back. Hell, he even DJs.
I liked the first few Nine Inch Nails albums and I really liked the Gone Girl score but he seems like the kind of guy who whines too much. I also heard he is a massive cunt to most people.
>>64024595
He's confrontational and he doesn't take anyone's bullshit. These are not inherently bad qualities, but some people, mostly people who are on the more sensitive side, seem to view them as always being bad.
>>64034604
You know nothing. Trent is cool, he just doesn't suffer fools.
>>64030539
pics or it didnt happen
>>64025259
Neil just an autist. I don't think he has a mean spirited bone in his body, he's literally just a sperglord so he comes across like kind of a dick.
>>64033404
probably because he's been in tortoise way longer regardless of who's more mucore
also that bands probably how he knows him
>>64024968
nah bro it's really unfunny.
i mean i disagree that she doesn't have a sense of humor but she's just not funny enough to make fred's weird shit work
>>64030241
sureeeeeee but jesse lacey still seems like an asshole despite that. being socially awkward isnt like an excuse/even relevant really
>>64030748
This pasta always makes me laugh.
What was the original one? I remember seeing the same one about Messi in /sp/ a couple of years ago but I'm not sure where it started.
>>64031398
How integral was Jimmy to the song writing?
Or was his drumming actually superb and that's why SP lost their sound when he left?
>>64026300
I met Thurston once on their last tour, he was a really nice guy, just said hi to him at a book store near the venue way before the show but then later outside the venue before the show he came by and saw me and was like "oh hey book store dude! enjoy the show!" and shook my hand i was like yeah mang thanx
>>64029912
He was a control freak, yea. Lou was just as much an asshole as he was though.
The story goes Lou was just playing noise and feedback on a few songs in Dino Jr until Mascis got fed up and threw a few punches and his guitar at him then left, Lou got up on the drumset and raised his hands in victory.
But yeah they've buried the hatchet they both seem to have mellowed out and are pretty self-aware now.
>>64033317
nothing seemingly about it, she was a shitty person
>>64034904
>>64024968
:(
the feminist book store sketches are well funny
>>64030864
what why is Juntaro Yamanouchi so hated
>>64035234
extortion, stealing from record labels, borderline-personality, just to name a few.
>>64029195
It actually recognizes it as an abnormality, that's what the DSM V does, recognizes abnormalities, whether or not it's a mental issue depends on how it impacts functioning.
>>64030881
Why do you think Henry is a shitty person? Genuinely curious. He seems like an alright guy to me.
>>64035234
He's crazy, and not in an endearing way. He's known for stealing money for labels, ripping off venues, intentionally selling bullshit because "art lol" and other ripoffs. As a person, he was apparently pretty unpleasant - he was a bipolar ass to pretty much everyone, and the few people who managed to befriend found that he was an overly clingy nervous mess. He would call people for hours nonstop in the middle of the night and then demand they call him again in a few hours.
Of course, this is not entirely his fault. His parents were both classical musicians who believed in old fashioned traditional values, and Juntaro was a homosexual who liked to experiment with music - so they hated the shit out of him. The only family member who treated him with any dignity was his brother, and the only other person who got him as a human was Gero 30. When Juntaro had his nervous breakdown and went into nearly two decades of reclusiveness, his brother had gotten in a car accident and Gero 30 got locked up in a mental institution and he had to run Gerogerigegege by himself. That's why the last few albums are disturbing dark ambient, and that's Saturdaynight Big Cock Salaryman is so pained and disturbing. He wasn't ready to try the soulcrushing salaryman life expected of him. Now that Grim has found him, though, he seems to have gotten over himself.
It must be a depressing life when the only man who "gets" you is a giant old man who jerks off into a vacuum and shits on the floor for fun.
>>64034687
look at tgis
>>64035585
Oh, and this is Juntaro now. Gay men age nicely - he is about as old as Gero 30 was during Gero's prime.
>>64033586
Doesn't Morrissey have Barrett's Esophagus? If so, that's not cancer. It just predisposes you to cancer.
>>64035632
Is he on the right?
>>64035679
Left. Right is Grim / Jun Konagaya.
>>64024980
>>64025131
Gender roles aren't a social construct.
99.9% of the world are 'cis gendered'.
>>64031953
yeah, just a little bit of a shitty person.
>>64035178
Where do you got this information?
>>64035339
https://youtu.be/8HGb7yo4SFM
not to mention his old man rants he sometimes goes on like when he wrote a big think about how suicide is dumb right after Robin Williams killed himself
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>>64036014
Some recent online interviews with both J and Lou, also Our Band Could Be Your Life
I wish I had saved them but yeah just read up on Lou and J and you'll find them
As for the footage I've only seen the bit that's featured on Sonic Youth's Teenage Riot video
>>64035585
>>64035632
lmao why did Gero 30 get sent to the nut house
Damn now I gotta read up on the gerogerigege
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>>64036099
Nobody knows. I would assume he had some underlying issues, seeing as he was an old businessman who liked to roll in shit and masturbate on stage.
>>64036048
Phil did nothing wrong though. The dude is married to a black woman.
Collegiate liberals just can't handle the banter.
WAYNE "FAGGOT" COYNE
>>64036037
Those kind of examples come usually from people really ignorant about the person they're talking about. No offense. Sure Rollins was pretty intense in the 80s but his personality goes beyond that. Dude is the opposite of a hypocrite, which is what most celebrities that are perceived as "nice" are. His thoughts on the Robin Williams suicide were badly written but he corrected it and it made a lot of sense. When you're personally in pain everyday but keep carrying on it's hard not to get spontaneously angry at people you love offing themselves. Anyway, if Rollins has one thing I don't particularly like it's his over optimism, whether it'd be political or ideological. Sometimes he sounds really naive (like when he said he thinks in a hundred years war will be a thing of the past and something humans are over with...) but I think he just made a choice never to be negative or fatalist. Like he'd rather be wrong but positive about his outlook on things than right but pessimist about the world.
>>64036048
fuck i always thought that was a unicorn on the cover
just realized its a drill
>>64035807
>doesn't know the difference between sex and gender
>>64024901
>>64024860
thom yorke really doesn't seem like an asshole
I dunno man there seem to be something up with this guy...
>>64036451
He was apparently a very nice guy when he wasn't in the GG persona.
>>64036451
>>64036451
hell be fine
>>64036473
No he wasn't. He was bat-shit insane.
>>64036511
I could have sworn there was a leaked phone call or something where he talked completely civilly with someone.
>>64024980
It's in the DSM-V
It's a mental disorder
>>64036544
I'm not saying he rubbed shit on himself all the time -- that was part of the stage show, but he was a violent drug addict who fucked over most of the people in his life (generally what violent drug addicts do). Lucid moments aside, he was bad person.
>>64025272
That seems more like Skrillex to me. deadmau5 has made some decent IDM in the past on Get Scraped and Random Album Title was an alright house record too. He just chooses to make shitty britney spears-tier electro house instead. He is an insufferable prick who constantly whines about shit dance music producers while doing literally the exact same thing
>>64036272
Impossible claim to make.
what even happened to wayne coyne anyway
i saw his nardwuar interview, he seemed pretty cool. but that was quite a while back...
>>64036753
What do you mean what happened to him? Flaming Lips are an active band that had an official release two years ago.
>>64036841
yea but didn't he go a bit nuts or something. hanging with teenage girls like miley cyrus etc
>>64028534
If you just stick an extra nub on the Y's then you're golden!
You're welcome, science.
>>64036915
Miley is 23. Where are you getting this shit?
>>64024980
>>64024713
someone I know toured with them and said she was a total asshole
>>64036607
Pretty sure you're confused there, big daddy.
>>64030289
This is the number one response that teenagers like to use when a person that they dislike is brought up.
>>64036915
He produced her latest album, which flopped.
I think it's weird that he's hanging around all these young girls too, but I don't think that'll stop the Lips from making music.
>>64037275
I know godwins law and everything but the dude is literally a neo nazi and a murderer.
>>64035007
I think it was a Ryan Gosling or Shia original.
>>64026436
>Thurston and Kim always seemed like complete pretentious assholes. Mainly their obsession in categorizing people into punk or not, "in the scene" or not, etc. Lee is chill though. No idea about their drummer. Also, Thurston is a pretentious cunt but boy can he put on a good show.
I mean, you can kinda see why. If you at one point had a bunch of people into your music who seemed to genuinely enjoy it regardless of its popularity, and then a larger fanbase of those who listen to music like you wear fashion started trickling in and they seem like shitty people, you'd probably end up acting like that too.
Apparently hates everyone
>>64036037
>>64030881
Dude's changed honestly, and I understand why he was like that at the time. He's pretty much a guy who reads a lot of books and listens to a lot of music and tries to be a good person.
Why he was like that was basically the same reason as >>64037383 .
>>64036915
If anything Miley Cyrus is a total asshole
>>64036473
J Mascis said he was pretty cool and nice when he met him, then they started playing and he got on stage and shit everywhere and did his thing
J didn't stay in the band much
>>64026300
He looks like such a clown
But most of all, they are shitty to each other.
>>64037653
Noel is a good guy, Liam is a talentless arrogant prick.
>>64036607
learn some more about what psychologists actually think of trans people before spouting shit, pls
>>64024695
Implying varg is a bad person
>>64038341
how do you even tell them apart
>>64024741
EGO
>>64026261
ehh it's blurred, ask a sociologist he'll tell you it's a power issue, ask a biologist he'll tell you it's anatomical, ask a political theorist he'll telll you it's capitalism.
>>64033566
God he seems like such a dick. but he's talented
>>64024980
You know that if he had called them anything else the whole point of his post would've been lost because retards would've just called him an SJW and a cuck, right? Oh wait, you don't because you're either an autists who will never figure out this site's dynamic or a newfag who needs to stop posting and lurk instead of spouting of retarded shit like he knows what he's talking about.
>>64028337
didn't that guy pretty much imply that that was all fabricated?
>>64024595
Mark literally has done nothing wrong
He is a 50 year old man who doesn't give a shit about what is said about him and likes to engage in a little banter now and then.
>>64039669
BEEF PHARAOH
>>64024695
Varg is a classic example of how people who believe shit can be good people. He genuinely seems like a really loving and caring father
>>64034904
>>64035221
Yeah Portlandia is pretty damn funny idk what you guys are talking about, some of the skits land and some of them don't but the feminist bookstore and the ones with the mayor are consistently hysterical. Fred Armisen's new thing with Bill Hader is supposed to be really funny too but I've only seen the first one.
I really hope Carrie doesn't suck though she seems like she could be really funny in person
>>64024723
Jamie sometimes comes off as more sarcastic and angry through his music/interviews than he actually is imo
>>64028337
I really hated the new Deerhunter album but Bradford seems like he would be a total bro in real life
And basically anyone else that tries to use their music as a tool to shove their politics down people's throats.
>>64039920
GY!BE tend to use it as passively as possible past their first two releases, and they tend to pick good targets so idgaf
>>64039950
Christ that's cringy. That's like "WEE R LEEJUN"-tier.
i actually really like tool and can't stand the fans like him, but he also just seems like a dick to people for the fuck of it
there's some clip of tim and eric pranking him about his wine collection and during the whole process he doesn't laugh or smile once, just sits there and gets progressively saltier and saltier
>>64034604
apparently he mellowed out a ton after getting married so idk
>>64026326
I live in San Francisco, so the pavement is pretty much the only place one can piss
>>64040294
i forgot to post a pic but whatever
>>64040187
I think you need some context. This was around the time when the U.S. was beginning to enter conflict within Iran. Everyone wanted blood, so anyone who saw differently was pretty much scared at what may happen. That's what the entire point of the title of Yanqui U.X.O. Once this is all over, what'll be left is U.S. unexploded ordinance, left to hurt people for decades afterward. How are we going to look in the eyes of every other country after this?
It feels like you think everything is fine in the world and you don't want things to change.
>>64040371
It feels like you think your self-hating liberal views are the underdog fighting the man and aren't the establishment themself.
>>64040433
GY!BE aren't rage against the machine.
>>64030719
LE DAMN XD XD XDDDX
>>64039669
Yeah, Morrissey was the first person I thought of
Uh, another musician is Rogue (pic related) from the Crüxshadows. I was a big, edgecore goth kid in high school and loved the Crüxshadows. Naturally, I was very excited when I got a chance to go see them at a small, all ages club when I was 19. I finally got a chance to meet him and get his autograph and holy fucking shit that guy is a douchey asshole. I pretty much stopped listening to them after that, and with the exception of a few bands, stopped listening to goth altogether and dropped out of the scene.
>>64040433
>It feels like you think your self-hating liberal views are the underdog fighting the man and aren't the establishment themself.
Explain this and don't act like I'm just too stupid to get it.
Roger Waters. Jews hating son of a b*tch
>>64040635
Found the Zionist
>>64030271
What about Mark Stoermer?
the guy got arrested for molesting quire boys, still his music is dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe8CrGcbMRQ
Also, what I red about Händel drove me to think that the guy was kind of a dick to everyone, which is an excusable thing for artists who struggled a lot to get there i guess...
like 90% of good rappers
>>64040433
reactionaries are so plen
go jerk off to moldbug or something
>>64040491
Libs think that they're still the underdog in the fight and that the big evil corporatist republicans who sell their souls to big business are the ones in power, while the truth is is that liberals are the new normal and are firmly in control nowadays
>>64039920
This pretty much. I had so much respect for them and could even stomach a lot of their politics during Silent Shout but with Shaking the Habitual it just became so unbearable. Preachy, unrelenting and boring. It's a shame, they really had something unique and stylistically interesting. But now they're just a cautionary tale of message over medium.
>>64030089
Billy? Not really
>>64029195
I'll agree on homosexuality, but given that being transgender has become almost synonymous with being depressed (post-opp suicide rates, blah blah blah) I'd say gender-dysphoria is pretty harmful to people with gender dysphoria
Liam Howlett
