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Fedora general?
>>63935394
low-brow detected
Anyone can have book smarts but to think outside the box is the smarts that only special people can have. Metal fans are not good at thinking outside the box and a lot of classical fans are the same way. Very rigid.
>>63935299
>metalheads
>smart
ahahahahahahaha
>>63935485
Sick reddit memes bro not enough mountain dew and CoD hitmarkers though.
>>63935534
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2007/mar/21/whymetalfansarebrainier
Laugh some more faggot
>>63935584
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>63935299
>metalheads
no, because whatever you think right now, the truth is that, you're really stupid when in highschool
>>63935651
Metal isn't a phase you fucking cretin, it's a lifelong passion. You either listen to it because you love it or you're just trying to fit in, and the latter is much likely these days.
djent listeners are smarter
>>63935707
You just proved his point, kid.
good thread
>>63935707
Metal is a fad that kids pick up when they're 12. Eventually you're gonna have to grow up and cut your hair and move on because you can't be singing about how much you hate the world when you're 40. The only people that stick with metal are the ones that don't have the mental capacity to grow.
>>63935820
>he's never listened to prog metal
Metal is anti intellectualism though.
>>63935820
>Thinking all metalheads are kids
>Thinking all metalheads have long hair
>Thinking all metalheads hate life
>Thinking all metalheads only listen to metal
It's you whose being the narrow minded one.
>>63935837
why would anyone want to listen to prog metal, let alone prog anything
its so unenjoyable
>>63935742
>Implying djent isn't a metal sub-genre
Ever heard of meshuggah bruh?
>>63935884
You have to be able to wrap you mind around it.
It's literaly a genre for intellectuals.
>>63935884
Well, what is enjoyable music then?
>>63935837
>>63935884
You've obviously never listened to Opeth before
>>63935930
AnCo, Death Grips, Radio Head, the list goes on.
>>63935951
>opeth is the only prog metal out there
wew, lad
>>63935966
If you're not interested in sharing music just say so, you child.
>>63935951
Opeth is the gateway band for when people are ready to move away from metal. They realize death metal is no longer palatable so their first step is progressive rock with metal elements. Then after that they move to regular progressive rock and then just regular indie rock.
>>63935584
lmao read the article. it clearly says Tool fans are the smarterst and Tool is post-metal.
>>63935978
Did I say that? No, it's just the obvious example of a good prog metal band.
>>63936009
Ok, so you only read the first 3 lines, good one. I like Tool anyway.
>>63935299
>some smart people like metal
>this must mean all people who like metal are smart
I'm a metalhead through and through but that's just plain stupid
go outside please
>>63935299
No. Seriously, if it's not classical, all they tend to listen to is Disney songs. They only care about technique, and hardly pay attention to production and emotional release that a song holds.
Metalhead-scene kids are the opposite of this in all the wrong ways as well.
>>63936103
Obviously I don't mean all, there are people out there that like Metallica's more recent albums. There seems to be a disproportionate number of people that like metal and are of higher intelligence.
>>63936167
Please don't group metal and scene together ever again, it's cancerous.
>>63935930
beck, four tet
stuff that sounds nice
i'm not averse to music that is challenging either, i just find that non-standard time signatures are a waste of time if that's all that's really being tapped into, which is what i see prog as
time signatures & technical noodling
>>63936167
>they only care about technique
>>63936274
Aww is it a little too bit complex for anons brain?
>>63936184
>there are people out there that like Metallica's more recent albums
please don't remind me
on a more serious note, I suppose that might have something to do with the composition of metal music, which is often more elaborate than a lot of other stuff and very close to classical
But there's also so many meatheads.
Bands like Sabaton and Alestorm exist and have a wide fanbase
Slayer is considered GOAT when their work is mostly a very similar sounding, super edgy, tedious display of technique without any soul
Just to nominate examples of metal retardation
>>63936345
yes, you have proven your intellectual superiority for being able to enjoy a song in 7/43
congratulations, the secrets of music are yours
fucking ponce
>>63936388
>a song in 7/43
I remember that song.
It was epic
Sorry you couldn't wrap your mind around it.
>yfw atmoshit is the only patrician metal
>>63935859
anime is anti-intellectual
>>63936379
Slayer died when Jeff did. Even before then they were sort of a one trick pony.
This whole thread
I'll take regular prog, thanks
*burns fedora*
>>63935859
>all metal is anti-intellectual
Metal is given a place among classical and jazz in music theory courses across the country.
Sociological and psychological studies are examining metal scenes
Prominent metal musicians have advanced degrees in natural sciences.
>>63936491
This
Degenerate weebs are the worst.
>>63936489
atmoshit is not even metal
>>63935412
For your service protecting the Fedora General
>>63936388
>ponce
pip pip cheerio
>>63936276
Please elaborate. Unlike most of /mu/, I actually like to hear people's thoughts and learn something new if someone makes a good argument.
I'm referring to the people who play classical music. Of course that technique is a big focus, but showing them anything else that deviates from what is framed as 'correct' and they will surely dislike it.
I'm not saying I dislike classical, however let me give you a simple example:
I showed some music major friends Neutral Milk Hotel's ITAOTS. My friend who is a singer hated Mangum's voice. My horn-playing friends asked if they were really a 'professional band' because their horns sounded unrefined, and another pointed out that the drums sounded like the drummer came straight out of high school. They didn't even try to analyze the sound the band was going for. They ignore intention, and that's what annoys me.
Similar stuff happens with metalheads
>>63935820
>tfw you used to listen to indie rock and hate metal until 18
>>63936554
That's probably why it's the best then.
>>63936507
Your contribution
>>63936589
>Similar stuff happens with metalheads
I don't know about classic fans, but a lot of metal is super fucking simple and/or sloppy. Only the fans of proge metal and super sterile tech death give a shit about technicality.
>>63936589
>Neutral Milk Hotel's ITAOTS.
That was your problem.
That album is undeniably shit for pretenious plebs to circle jerk over.
Anyone in their right mind would say so as well.
>>63936589
your friends reactions are spot on thought
This thread is fucking embarrassing
This is why I never discussi metal outside of the general
>>63935584
>the Guardian
Who payed for this story?
>>63936734
>back to your memebox boi
>>63936734
Nobody cares you fucking tryhard. Go watch some cringe compilations on youtube if you want to be a fucking faggot.
>>63936734
It's probably made by a guy from /meal/.
>>63936589
>Neutral Milk Hotel's ITAOTS
Because of your post I'm trying to listen to this meme for the first time
So far it's pretty fucking bad
>horrible voice
>messy everything
>shitty horns
I'd rather listen to good memes like Burzum
>>63936759
>>63936788
>>63936794
You fags don't know shit about metal apart from Likin Park and Deafheaven, why should I care
>>63935412
classist detected
>>63936826
You're trying to hard bruv.
>>63936862
>>63936893
That gave me a chuckle.
>>63936828
Think the word you're looking for is elitist.
>>63935707
Jesus Christ man, you just keep digging.
There is nothing different about metal, there is nothing special about metal. You are a stupid Cunt who thinks he's hard because he listens to it.
I listened to metal for years, I still enjoy it occasionally, but it's all just music. You aren't special.
>>63936826
>Likin Park and Deafheaven
like is said
>back to your memebox boi
>>63936996
how does this have anything to do with what he's saying?
>>63935299
As a Classical listener, I can confirm that there are some dumb fuck classical listeners out there. Metal goes without saying.
>>63937045
Ahh replied to the wrong person.
>>63936996
lol yeah mate I'm so alpha for listening to this shit. You proved my point. You still come back for those sweet riffs.
>>63935651
>>63935820
>>63936996
This, mature people only listen to intelligent music like Animal Collective, Kendrick Lamar, Kamasi Washington, Aphext Twin and Jason Aldean
>>63937076
Compared to those who listen to chart music they're doing much better.
>Inb4 edgelord
>>63937152
lol I listen to 3 of those artists so I'm all good. Maturity has fuck all to do with it though. Just good taste.
>>63935299
>listening to metal
I mean come on, it's 2016, why would you listen to such problematic music?
>>63937200
>I listen to 3 of those artists
>good taste
>>63937234
>>63937249
>Liking Jason Aldean
>Having an opinion on others music taste.
>>63936654
When I say similar, I'm not referring to technique specifically, but i mean that I run into similar situations in regards to how rigid they are with their music. For them, it always has to be br00t4l, fast, and aggressive. Anything resembling a pop tune is an instant turn-off for them
>>63936662
>>63936723
That was just an example that happened and that everyone on here could understand. Similar situations with other genres and artists, whether it be post-rock, rap, baroque-pop, etc.
Show them anything, and they maintain the same type of analysis. Most of the time they just listen to their music from the shittiest source possible(phone speakers). As music majors, I would have thought that listening to as many details and nuances of a performance would be important, but I guess I'm wrong.
However, all of Disney, Pentatonix, Lana Del Rey, Ska(for my horn-player friends), is completely fine.
It's like they treat music as a trade, rather than as an art. You can't, or at least shouldn't critique a hyper realistic painting the same way non-representational art is. And that seems to be the case for them.
I'm not trying to be an asshole and demean whatever they like. I generally don't care. And I'm not trying to be an asshole like people on here who paint broad strokes and just say "kek, pleb". Obviously, individuals are different, and there are exceptions.
>>63937368
>being this pleb
>>63937394
Yee haw sipping on some cool Jack Daniels cos I'm a sophisticated motherfucker.
>>63937152
But I like all those artists and eat my poopy and peepee, and go bam-bam in my diapy.
>>63937391
Well I mean a lot of pop sucks. But I think most of us like a lot of the other "weirder" genres out there.
>>63937528
Pop IS weird, it's fucking audible propaganda, but the sheeple still suck it up like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Fuck them.
At one point in my life I really enjoyed the color blue but I grew out of that phase as I got older. There is really nothing of substance to be found in the color blue.
>>63937618
Some of it's okay, most of it just goes in one ear and out the other for me. The only pop song I can think of that I actually hate is new americana.
>>63937704
Thank you for summarising >>63935820 post so eloquently.
>>63937705
You should try to avoid when possible.
https://soundcloud.com/ive-seen-him-do-it
>>63935837
>>63935883
>>63936590
>>63937152
I don't understand why it is acceptable to respond to an obviously bait post. Even his image is Devin Townsend, how can it be more obvious?
>>63935299
Can anyone properly refute my argument w/o b tier memes?
>>63937996
Because why not
>>63937999
plz
>>63937999
First, no is the answer to your latest question.
Second, no but since both are pretty much acquired tastes people who are interested in them end up being the edges of the distribution whether it means smart or totally retarded.
>>63938185
100
So, I guess mods just turned the other way on this thread, huh?
>>63938204
Not a bad answer anon, 8/10 for effort.
>>63938271
They might come now that you've just added your two cents
>>63938312
Well, I did actually participate in discussions earlier in the thread, but now it's just a bunch of spamming/trolling.
>>63938275
And I give you 5/10 for not being actually interested in talking about the question you asked and not refraining from blabbering.
>>63938357
>>63938388
Whatever lads I'm shitfaced and bored anyway, just being a cunt for the banter now.
Classical isn't any more intellectual than any other style of music. It merely has that reputation dude to centuries of media pandering.
>>63938494
Ikr, real boffins snort ket and spaz out to drum and bass
>>63938225
110
>>63938643
111
>>63935299
>classical
Maybe
>metal
No fucking way
>>63938663
112
>>63938684
Try removing the dogshit from your ears with a water syringe, should work desu.
>>63935299
Any faggots that wanna comment shant be getting anymore responses from me as I'm off to bed. Cheerio
No. Most metalheads just care about music being heavy and the mind blowing guitar solos, they use it as a drug, they don't approach music from an artistic viewpoint but rather a technical one and usually consider anything that isn't metal to be terrible.
Classical fans seem to care about technicality and theory more than anything, they have such a rigid view of music. They all just care about being absolutely perfect and playing difficult pieces instead of actually listening to music or appreciating it as an art form, seeing it more like a skill or an academic study. They only listen to the most obvious composers that they are told about by their music teachers and would probably cry if exposed to modern art music composers, anything experimental or challenging is beyond their realm of understanding, they would consider someone regurgitating a Bach piece to have more value than the velvet underground or captain beefheart. They also don't seem to listen to classical music for pleasure either. Their are of course many classical fans who aren't like this but this is just my experience of music students who spend their lives learning to play Chopin without ever having the desire to create something of their own, only to be able to play it 100% as if it's like a real life guitar hero. At least that punk banging out three chord songs has some fucking passion and personality.
>>63940307
Yes. Exactly!this was basically what I was trying to say earlier in the thread.
I have friends who are music majors that hardly even listen to music. All they do is practice scales. They have no desire to even begin to write a song(not that it's necessary, but I see a trend of classical players that don't like to be creative with their own music, as opposed to people who pick up an instrument of their own).
>>63936345
complex =/= musically interesting
Also the fact that you put someone down with the word complex says more about you and the reasons you listen to music for, you wannbe smart poser.
>>63936379
>on a more serious note, I suppose that might have something to do with the composition of metal music, which is often more elaborate than a lot of other stuff and very close to classical
This myth needs to be broken. Metal is generally not complex. Generally, metal is fucking simpler than pop music, because pop music these days actually do have elaborate and fine-tuned arrangements. There are more complex sub-genres of metal, but that's not what I'm talking about here. When people say metal is as complex as classical music, they just try to feel intelligent and good about themselves.
Complex =/= Good
Complex =/= Intelligent
Metal =/= Complex (in general)
Classical music = 500 years of music history where complexity OBVIOUSLY varies a lot. Stop simplifying things to the point of meaninglessness.
>>63936537
>Metal is given a place among classical and jazz in music theory courses across the country.
In America, I suppose? I've never seen one personally.
>Sociological and psychological studies are examining metal scenes
As there are sociological and psychological studies examining fotball fans.
>Prominent metal musicians have advanced degrees in natural sciences.
Prominent musicians among all genres of music have natural sciences degrees.
>Classical
Yes.
>Metal
No.
>>63936589
>I'm referring to the people who play classical music. Of course that technique is a big focus, but showing them anything else that deviates from what is framed as 'correct' and they will surely dislike it.
Classical music strives for technique because technique is the vessel of emotion. Also, classical music is fucking hard to play and you need the technique to even get through it. Also because of recordings and globalization, the competition is balls hard and sloppy technique therefore becomes inexcusable... but we're really talking about millimeter precision here, because, there's little else except musicality to judge performers on.
>>63940307
>They only listen to the most obvious composers that they are told about by their music teachers and would probably cry if exposed to modern art music composers
Schoenberg is a well accepted and respected part of the musical canon, as is the likes of Cage. Besides, people like Mozart and Bach are genuinely the best.
>>63936537
>metal is given a place among classical and jazz music theory courses across the country
Not really
>Sociological and psychological studies are examining metal scenes
As anthropology or field zoology?
>Prominent metal musicians have advanced degrees in natural sciences
And Bryan May from Queen is an astrophysicist. So what?
>>63935299
>metal/classical
Not related, and metal is for idiots.
>Classical
maybe. but then again it's literally all just music and doesn't mean jack shit intelligence wise.
>>63940307
I love braodstrokes.
They make it so easy to generalize.
>>63942084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrblRMwHSyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqa5gUFqRtg
Not related?
>>63941083
Another myth that needs breaking is the notion that classical music is primarily for intellectual purposes. You can study rock music intensively if you want to and the only reason that "classical" (which almost always is referring very vaguely to pre-1950s genres outside of folk, country, boogie, rock, the blues, and hymns and not to the actual classical era which lies between the baroque and the romantic) music is analyzed so thoroughly is because of inertia in university music history classes and meme magic.
If we are to accept the meme of classical music being objectively superior in some fashion, then we may as well bend to authoritative inertia in the case of popular music as well, accepting the consensus of the Rolling Stone top 500 with the Beatles being objectively better than everybody else and in which Exile on Main Street and Elvis' Sun Sessions are God-tier albums.
>>63942491
So by your logic, if classical music being objectively better is a meme, then by default any genre of music being objectively 'better' must be a meme as well, meaning taste is subjective.
Thank you for that wonderful insight.
>>63942491
Yeah but the inertia behind classical music has better credibility.
