What are your favorite music scenes (current and historical)?
I always thought No Wave was kinda cool, even if it only lasted like five minutes.
the mail art/tape trading scene that connected industrial and the weirder types of post punk is really interesting to me.
Desert Rock and Krautrock were God tier. Grunge was cool but eventually got kinda lame.
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>>63761766
both great
I gotta say either new sincerity in the mid 80's with Daniel Johnston and other Austin guys like Jad Fair or early 2000's freak folk
I think it would have been so cool to have been "in" during the prime of the no wave scene. All those last night underground New York city gigs.
Mine would have to be the Cantebury Scene in the 70s.
>>63761777
Krautrock isn't a scene though, it's just a label made to describe all rock from psych rock, classic rock, prog rock even post-rock made in Germany.
the olympia, washington music scene in the 80s and 90s
>>63761766
ive never heard of that what was it
The late early 80s goth scene
Especially pic related
>>63761829
> it's just a label made to describe all rock from psych rock, classic rock, prog rock even post-rock made in Germany.
do you actually think krautrock is any rock made in germany during any time period?
>>63761867
what do you think it is?
>>63761837
was gonna post Olympia
k records forever
>>63761723
free jazz
shoegaze
first wave post rock
music concrete/early electronic
early gospel/sacred harp singing
avant french chanson
20s & 30s folk & blues
la monte young's eternal music and related
industrial
krautrock
>1008+1008
>having any reason to exist
pick one
>>63761837
>ive never heard of that what was it
I don't want to pretend that I'm an expert but the mail art scene started as an outgrowth of the fluxus movement in which people would mail art to each other but evolved into a nebulous underground art scene. then with the advent of cassettes music became an important aspect of it. much of old school industrial was shaped by the ideas and limitations of mail art.
if you want to do some reading on it this blog is a great resource for essays on the south eastern european aspect of the scene
>http://ahogonsindustrialguide.blogspot.com/
who wants to start a no wave revival with me
>>63761883
60s/70s German rock characterised by psychedelic/progressive influences, and frequent experimentation with electronic sounds. Almost anything produced by Konrad Plank during this time is Krautrock, though some is technically early-electronic music.
montreal in the late 90s must have been a trip
a bunch of homeless looking people playing incredibly depressing music
>>63761975
Fuck ja nigg
>>63762047
how do we approach it though?
cause no wave's style was pretty varied
should we just go ahead and label ourselves as no wave and hope its catches on?
>>63761998
so then say your favourite scene is 60s-70s Krautrock? It's too vague to say Krautrock is my favourite scene. Because that's a style of music.
you could have been talking about 90s Krautrock for all I know.
>>63761959
is also too vague.
>Free Jazz
>Shoegaze
>Industrial
all these are genres; genres still made too this day.
>first wave post rock
>20s & 30s folk & blues
make sense because they say "this specific iteration of this style"
Molam music from Southeast Asia. It's like a country/folk genre from Thailand that had a lot of influence from American music that Thai people were shown during the Vietnam war by American soldiers. So it has a lot of influence from psychedelic and rock music from that era. Sort of weird sounding but pretty cool.
>>63762080
Sure, I guess. Or we could start out as a Swans cover band then write tunes and showcase them at gigs.
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>>63762080
No wave is not a genre, it's a scene. It's permanently dead. There will be no no wave revival.
>>63762125
>Industrial
presumably he means oldschool industrial, which was a nebulous and spread across a large number of places but every single one of it's hotspots would've been cool as hell to be a part of.
>>63762080
Start making No Wave artwork first, then progress to music and black and white cinema. Critics will see the resemblance and will either call it No Wave revival or a new name.
>>63762080
Just start a network with a bunch of bands who know each other, preferably making loud noisy music. The label doesn't have to be no wave specifically, the sentiment is what counts.
>>63762174
>Swans
>implying Swans made noteworthy No Wave, or were even making music in the prime of the No Wave scene.
>>63761723
I can never tell if she's hot asf or the complete opposite.
>>63762080
The scene is long dead, but you can make something new that resembles it.
Try making some darker music that hasn't been popular in a while - noise rock, dark ambient, industrial, etc. - and play underground venues a lot. It'll catch on if you don't suck.
>>63762191
can you give me examples of no wave artwork?
>>63762184
its definitely a scene as well as a genre. there are even modern bands that are associated with no wave
Montreal's music scene has always fascinated me, especially their jazz in the 40's - 50's.
Canada really had no popular music happening at the time but there was a lot of amazing jazz coming out of there.
>>63762233
>noteworthy No Wave
Are you an idiot? No Wave isn't a quantifiable thing
>>63762125
there really was no krautrock after the 60s and 70s, and it was more of a scene than a genre
>>63762261
I can't find much with google images, but lots of black and white photography that abuses the fuck out of double exposure. The drawn art is very simplistic and also monochrome, and usually depicts abject things.
Definitely the Bay Area Thrash scene
>>63762261
m8...
Just because Swans is still around and Branca is still writing symphonies doesn't mean it's not dead. The contingent through line between bands like DNA, Mars, Theoretical Girls, Teenage Jesus & the Jerks is just an advanced form of noise punk.
The only true no wave has been dead for almost forty years.
>>63762249
She's hot in the "I want to fuck her brains out way", but ugly in the "Really unpleasant to be around for long periods of time" sort of way.
>>63762125
>so then say your favourite scene is 60s-70s Krautrock?
No, I'm saying Krautrock only existed in the 60s/70s. After that, the "scene" stopped existing.
>>63762280
just stop honestly this is fedora tier shitposting.
There are good and bad no wave albums.
i want in on this no wave revival shit m8s
>>63762249
She comes across as such a fucked up bitch in all her interviews, definitely not hot
>>63762335
i agree, the scene that no wave had is long dead
a genre is still a genre though.
>>63761723
Little band scene in Melbourne, Australia was pretty damn cool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_band_scene
The scene that celebrates itself. Like Rachel Goswell and that whole English scene
you guys DO realize that Dirty Beaches is essentially just no wave revival, right?
>mfw all the scenes in my local area are shitty deathcore & metalcore bands
>>63762362
factually incorrect though. Obviously it doesn't have the same impact as the Krautrock in that era but it's very closeminded to dismiss any Krautrock made in the 80s, 90s, 00s and even the 10s.
i said in my post:
>>63761829
>Mine would have to be the Cantebury Scene in the 70s.
Cantebury Scene is a style of music, it's still made to this day.
Like Krautrock, it's not a scene. It's a genre or style of music. 60s-70s Krautrock however is a scene in the same way that 70s Cantebury Scene is a scene. People can still make Krautrock all they want.
>>63762301
this post is so incorrect and closeminded it hurts.
>>63762257
>Try making some darker music that hasn't been popular in a while - noise rock, dark ambient, industrial, etc. - and play underground venues a lot. It'll catch on if you don't suck.
there's plenty of contemporary examples of all of these though.
>>63762418
IT'S NOT. A GENRE.
It's concepts of atonality and free improv noise textures as applied to lo-fidelity art and noise punk in Lower East Side NYC in the late 70's. There will NEVER be another no wave.
>>63762477
>factually incorrect though. Obviously it doesn't have the same impact as the Krautrock in that era but it's very closeminded to dismiss any Krautrock made in the 80s, 90s, 00s and even the 10s
Give me an example of a Krautrock album made in the 80s or later. Ashra and Kraftwerk don't count, they're electronic artists.
>>63761723
No wave is one of my favourites too (Buy by James Chance and the Contortions is one of the coolest albums ever) but goddamn is Lydia Lunch insufferable.
Check out her interview with Nardwaur. Admittedly, Nardwuar himself is annoying as fuck, but she acts so up herself and edgy.
>>63762583
Use a RYM custom chart you dense motherfucker.
Get a brain, piss off and listen to some of it. It may not be as good as your prescious 60s-70s but guess what. It's fucking Krautrock, because Krautrock is a genre of music.
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>>63762249
Just a reminder; this cum rag has fucked
>Michael Gira
>James Chance
>Henry Rollins
>Nick Cave
>Stiv Bators
>J.G. Thirwell/Foetus
>both of the Paley brothers
Everyone she's fucked has gone on to be wildly successful. All these dudes are Eskimo bros. What the hell.
>>63762709
Possibly Thurston too.
>>63762709
If I fuck this old cougar, will I also be wildly successful?
>>63762709
>J.G. Thirwell/Foetus
I just found out this dude is doing the soundtracks for archer and venture bros. not that this info is relevant to anything but it's kinda fucking weird and I felt the need to share it.
>>63762645
there's stuff made after the 70s that's influenced by krautrock and in even in the early 80s there was still some krautrockish electronic music being made by people from the original krautrock bands but krautrock is still not really a genre itself, it really had to do with a specific time period with german bands reacting to world war II and stuff. it was more of a scene
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>>63762759
You gotta know Branca was pulling a piece of that ass. Dude mentored Gira when he arrived in New York in 1981 and pretty much grandfathered the entire no wave scene.
Early Bebop or Mid 80's Chicago
70s Space Rock
>tfw you will never see Stacia take all her clothes off and dance about the stage
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>>63761975
hit up weezil walter. his new group cellular chaos draws pretty heavily from the no-wave thing.
we opened up for them last year. dude is really fun to extrapolate/piss on music with
>>63761723
shoegaze and early industrial
The american folk revival
>>63763085
this seems really good, thanks
lydia lunch's sex tape was pretty hot
>>63761723
My local scene was a mixture of "old school" hardcore punk and hardcore of the ninja dance variety so any type of local hxc scene gets a lot of respect from me since I basically grew up in one and its what got me interested in live music.
Apart from that I think No Wave and the Japanese Noise scene in the 80s are fucking great.
I like emo scene even if I don't like the music much
I wish there was any shoegaze in my area, there's some good indie though with windigo, fox that slept the day away and 427s
>>63763146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZlWK-b_KY
yeah
Y'all are plebs here.
Madchester is the right choice.
>>63763342
You get the same experience by just going out to entry entry-level alt club and taking yokes and Ket
>>63763161
glad you like it. they are the closest thing ive ever seen to no wave, and i never get to bring them up because no one talks about no wave ever. and even fewer people are actually interested in listening to it.
if you hit those guys up im sure they would come play your town. they tour like all of the time. first saw them in a bar with like 30 people there. then like a year later we opened up for them at a diy show in a pavillion. theyre pretty humble.
personally i preferred the weezil walter trio (his old group w/ him on drums) but thats a lot closer to like noisy freejazz than no wave.
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>>63761837
Pacific Northwest indie/post hardcore is probably my favorite, spawned so many god tier bands
Modest mouse and the microphones are my two favorite bands of all time
Also remember the fireballs by lync may be the best post hardcore album ever
Also love the paisley underground movement in the 80s
>>63762319
Agreed.
>>63763267
I was thinking more along these lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKNfJqJgVs
>>63762437
i haven't listened to dirty beaches so no
One of my favorite is 90s Athens
>>63761837
This one too
>>63762038
That was Montreal in the late '00s too.
>>63762728
Kim says that she tried to seduce everyone (including Thurston) in her memoir, but I don't think it ever actually happened in his case.
>>63761723
Bebop
I'll be honest, late '90s/early '00s New York, the second golden age.
80's New wave prog rock
>>63763857
Still, Thurston was in New York a few years before getting with Kim, never know.
Detroit Techno
My favorite:
New York post punk/no wave of the late 70S early 80s
Skramz scene of the mid to late 90s
NOLA sludge metal scene of the early to mid 90s
Industrial tape mail scene.
I'm currently involved in my home city's metal scene and was involved in my college city's hardcore scene for a bit.
If anyone is in the Baltimore area pls show me some good local metal shows I've gotten sick of wanna be tough guys thinking they are the karate kid that is today's hardcore
