what is the earliest hip hop album and what year did it come out?
"Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang came out in '79, most people consider that to be the first hip hop record
>>63619721
"King Tim III (Personality Jock)" which came out before "Rapper's Delight"
>>63619826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQqAnlrW_M
>>63619721
The Black Angel's Death Song from the album The Velvet Underground and Nico, where Lou Reed said he only wrote the lyrics to "connect words that sounded nice when they flowed together", and the delivery Lou has on the song is pretty much proto-rap as it gets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EGJDFSsALs
1968, NIGGA
>>63619778
Correct, Rapper's Delight brought hop hip to the world.
>>63619721
The Last Poets
1970
>>63619721
Twopack invented the Book of Rap, so whenever his first album came out.
there's that one old bowie song that sounds like death grips or some shit
>>63620685
what
blonde on blonde
Sugarhill Gang's s/t debut came out in February 1980, making it the earliest known hip hop album, though Rapper's Delight had been released in September 1979.
>>63620685
>>63620707
yeah this is true i remember hearing it once link anybody?
>>63620748
>>63620707
the one i was talking about was called african fight night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4WoA7rBoU
>>63620802
eh, I wouldn't call that rapping
>>63620850
why not
>>63620850
>expecting proto-anything to sound like the modern connotation of the genre it influenced
theres a reason Seinfeld feels 'dated'
there's some video from like 1912 or something of some guy kind of rapping over a black and white video of a train going by, i think he was american or german. someone might know what i'm talking about.
>>63619924
This sound really modern and ahead of its time but I dunno if it's really rap...
>>63621139
That sounds pretty awesome. Link please?
>>63619866
Early rap lyrics are so clean and adorable.
>>63621139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=902G8widi00
Starts at 3:00 not really rap
>>63620802
The beat is definitely rap-ish. What year was this?
>>63621322
79, so same as rappers delight
>>63621314
This is fantastic. I'd love to hear some modern artist sample this.
>>63621314
explain to me how 4:43 to 5:16 isn't straight bars
>>63621393
This. It's way ahead of it's time.
>>63621314
>>63621393
Holy shit
>>63619721
'78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5e-fYI5id0
>>63621526
I'm sure there's proto-rap stuff that came out first but this is the first true piece of rap music I could find.
I think >>63621314 wins this thread, though it obviously wasn't called "rap" at the time.
>>63621244
i thought the same thing but i dont think that is actually from 68. spotify says its from 2004.
>>63621699
yeah, it's not from 1968, and has nothing to do with rap other than the band releasing an album on Anticon
>>63621314
Damn, I knew the white man invented rap.
>>63619914
Ok. How is this any different than what Bob Dylan did? Also, you can't just have a folk song with a certain flow and go "look, it's proto-rap". It's not like people listened to this and went "oh, let me just do that, but over a beat". That's not how hip-hop emerged.
![Pigmeat+Markham+Cameo+flipped[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SEGMwNq.jpg "Pigmeat+Markham+Cameo+flipped[1].jpg")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmw
lemme drop this on u
absolute savage
>>63621314
SOMEBODY SAMPLE THAT VERSE AT 4:43 AND ADD A TRAP BEAT
>>63619924
that album is from 2005
>>63621314
wins the thread desu
>>63623544
Yeah, this is the earliest hip hop song I think.
>>63623700
may I remind everyone that OP said album
do you fucks even know what hip-hop is?
>>63621314
>Spoken word/poetry over a rhythmic/percussive piece of music
That's pretty much rap right? I'd be curious to look at the influences of more popular old rappers and see how far back that goes.That would probably be a decent way to find some of the original roots of rap
>>63623544
Pigmeat Markham is a fucking fantastic name.
>>63623544
This is definitely "real" hip hop and rap. Not proto like the others. Is there anything earlier?
Alternate question: when did the words "rap" and "hip-hop" as they relate to music first start being used?
>>63623355
He's trollin hard g
>>63620468
correct answer
>>63619778
"Rapper's Delight" was considered by most hip hop artists at the time to be a totally watered-down lame version of real hip hop
They couldn't believe that it was so popular with people given that it was basically a manufactured accessible version of the authentic music they'd been making (with local, but not major commercial success) for years and removed the whole performance/scene aspect of hip hop that was so important to them
So while The Sugarhill Gang did put out the first commercial hip hop album if you're trying to look into the origins of hip hop you're better off looking at the early mixtapes made by DJ Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa, or Flash and the Furious 5
>>63623806
who cares this is much more interesting
>>63620802
definitely not rapping
>>63620940
Seinfeld doesn't feel dated, you're the only one who thinks that
>>63620468
yes!!!!!!!!
>>63621314
Japanese monks used to have rap battles with each other you know
>>63625726
can i get a video of that?
>>63623850
rap is very very old
>>63624634
Holy shit you still post here nattie? I haven't seen you in forever
>>63625751
Can't find one but it is tradition to do Haiku battles against other poets in Japan
imagine like 2 old ass monks rap battling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7-2_gUuWK4
>>63621380
not hip-hop but RDJ has a remix of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWzqTQgNYyw
>>63625917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PFNe03fFcQ&ab_channel=Dimblur
>>63620468
Is it rap or spoken word?
>>63626014
fuckin rdj
>>63626018
lol
Pieces of a Man by Gil Scott-Heron is 1971, parts of that can be considered poetic rapping
>>63619924
Tf are you doing?
>>63625876
sometimes I pop in
early hip hop is something i actually know about
figured it was worth a comment
>>63626434
He's the same guy who posted >>63623544
Had the wrong link in his clipboard
>>63626457
these people invented Rap they even said so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdFXaDj0dYk
>>63621314
It's just a coincidence that this sounds like rap, since this rerecording wasn't called "rap" by the people who did it and it didn't influence modern rap at all, but it's still pretty cool.
>>63619721
To Pimp a Pablo (1942)
>>63627489
>To Pimp a Pablo (1942)
Link? Google isn't giving me anything.
>>63627535
You got meme'd on, m8.
Curtis Blow and the Breaks?
>>63626386
Link Link Link???
>>63621314
aphex twin sampled this.
>>63627738
Aw man... I feel pretty dumb right now senpai
>>63621139
>>63620468
>>63620742
PROTIP: There is more to hip hop than just rapping
>>63619721
Rap is like soccer lots of ancient cultures invented it and played with it no one really knows who made it up it has roots in japan haiku battles africa telling stories through rhime with drums like poems. and Europe like that Night Mail
>>63619778
>single
Ew
>>63629704
yes
David bowie invented rap in 1979 then he got bored and let black people have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4WoA7rBoU
>>63621314
why is this so fucking funny
>>63629760
i hate how him dying made people on this board shill him so much
>>63629916
>famous musician dies
>expect people to say nothing
I think you need an autism test son
>>63629945
>caring about whether or not someone is famous
you didn't know him why the fuck do you care
>>63629453
Which track?
>>63629986
Here you go:
>>63626014
>>63629958
i knew his music
>>63629992
Oh man, didn't even read the thread fully before posting. Thanks man.
This shit is dope.
>>63629994
yeah, above average pop music. it's one thing to talk about him for a while but its been 2 months let it go
>>63629916
He was pretty well-liked before he died, but I do get what you're saying... I for one liked him more after he died because I had only heard a few of his hits before he died but afterwards, he was all over the news and I decided to dig deeper into his discography and I found that I really liked some of his stuff.
>>63621314
It's funny to see how white people invented rap, not surprised at all, just noticing how black people proclaimed another white invention
>>63630087
We have no way of knowing if that guy was white. He sounds white but it's possible that he's not.
>>63630115
that guy was white
>>63630087
I kind of doubt that the first black rappers heard this video and thought "yeah we should to that!" I'm sure they never saw this video or heard this recording at all. They invented rap independently and the result just happened to sound similar to the Night Train recording. Kinda like how dolphins and sharks have almost the same body structure despite being so far apart on the vertebrate family tree.
>>63630087
it's not hip hop, and the "invention" of rap would just come down to semantics.
>implying niggers invented rap
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyting
>Flyting or fliting is a contest consisting of the exchange of insults, often conducted in verse, between two parties
Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. The root is the Old English word flītan meaning quarrel (from Old Norse word flyta meaning provocation). Examples of flyting are found throughout Norse, Celtic,[2] Anglo-Saxon and Medieval literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion.
Norse literature contains stories of the gods flyting. For example, in Lokasenna the god Loki insults the other gods in the hall of Ægir and the poem Hárbarðsljóð in which Hárbarðr (generally considered to be Odin in disguise) engages in flyting with Thor.[3]
In the confrontation of Beowulf and Unferð in the poem Beowulf, flytings were used as either a prelude to battle or as a form of combat in their own right.[4]
In Anglo-Saxon England, flyting would take place in a feasting hall. The winner would be decided by the reactions of those watching the exchange. The winner would drink a large cup of beer or mead in victory, then invite the loser to drink as well
>Flyting became public entertainment in Scotland in the 15th and 16th centuries where makars would engage in verbal contests of provocative, often sexual and scatological but highly poetic abuse. Flyting was permitted despite the fact that the penalty for profanities in public was a fine of 20 shillings (over £300 in 2016 prices) for a lord or a whipping for servant.[6] James IV and James V encouraged "court flyting" between poets for their entertainment and occasionally engaged with them. The Flyting of Dumbar and Kennedie records a contest between William Dunbar and Walter Kennedy in front of James IV, which includes the earliest recorded use of the word shit as a personal insult.[6] In 1536 the poet Sir David Lyndsay composed a ribald 60 line flyte to James V after the King demanded a response to a flyte.
>While Flyting died out in Scottish writing after the Middle Ages it continued for writers of Celtic background. Robert Burns parodied flyting in his poem, "To a Louse," and James Joyce's poem "The Holy Office" is a curse upon society by a bard.[8] Joyce played with the traditional two character exchange by making one of the characters society as a whole.
rap was literally invented by the whitest of white people
