One of the main reasons I, and probably many others, got into Iceage, was because of the rumors going around that they played with racist and fascist undertones. I'm also aware of others, such as TON's Peter Steele, Glenn Danzig, and, of course, Phil Anselmo and the Abbott brothers of Pantera being somewhat racist as well. However, save for Danzig, I don't particularly care for much of any of their music, and none of them are really all that modern or relevant to this generation. I know this may be an odd request, but do any of you know of other bands/artists from the past 10 years who incorporate any right wing of fascist themes in their music, without going all out and being openly right wing (i.e. Death in June, R.O.C.).
>>63570163
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
>>63570185
Of course.
>>63570297
I have a friend who listens. I'll give them a try. What exactly is right wing about them?
>>63570341
I mean, the band is literally called Godspeed You! Black Emperor. That's as fascist a band name as I've seen, showing unbridled support for the emperor no matter how evil/black he may be.
>>63570420
That's in referance to some documentary about Japanese bikers or maybe just the bikers themselves lol
How is Iceage subtly right wing oriented? Serious question, I never paid attention to them very much, but that's interesting.
>>63570163
Butthole Surfers are very racist, but they just go for shock humor. It's probably just for show imo
>>63570420
>>63570445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkfm5sekNw
this one
>>63570420
>>63570445
Regardless, LYSFLATTS sounds pretty good, so I'll be listening in the future.
>>63570163
but elias is a gay
>>63570445
>>63570486
That's just a coincidence. They do interviews all the time and it's one of the things that's always brought up. It's a direct comment on the fascist nature of their music.
>>63570420
GY!BE is as left wing commie as it gets, buddy (and this is coming from a fan).
at most, they're vaguely libertarian, though they're pretty anti-money
>>63570163
Iceage uses some Fascist imagery as part of their promo material. But it's obvious from their music and the interviews that they're into the Romantic/aesthetic aspect of Fascism, not the actual politics of it.
>>63570471
Elias did several drawings depicting skinheads, Klansmen, and Vikings fighting with Muslims, blacks, and whites (I'd assume collaborators or Liberals or something), Johan (the guitarist) has a Death in June tattoo, and they used to wear Burzum t-shirts and pens (among other bands). One of them referred to an album by some other prominent NSBM artist as a wonderful album full of proud Nordic sounds (paraphrasing there).
>>63570511 (checked)
That might just be for show with his other band. Also, the drummer, Dan, is Jewish.
Killing Joke has some right-wing ideals. They're sort of all over the place when it comes to politics though.
> "In many ways I am a conservative traditionalist. Like males, for instance. I believe a male should be an adventurer, an outgoing war-like creature. The idea of house husbands, they don't sit well with me. I don't know the future, but apparently the y chromosome that separates the males from the females is being depleted, which presumably means males are becoming a dying species. Does the future hold unisex toilets, and everyone looking like Marilyn Manson, and who have dicks that stick into their pussies? How do you like that!?"
>>63570561
>Iceage uses some Fascist imagery as part of their promo material
That's all I'm looking for desu. Stuff like Joy Division.
>>63570544
Nah, here's a quote from an interview they did last year
>You either make music that pleases the king and his court, or you make music for the serfs outside the walls. It's what music (and culture) is for, right?
It's well known that the intention of their music is to please the king and his court, hence the band name.
>>63570605
That sounds pretty esoteric desu
>>63570503
To the sky? Kek
>>63570605
Interesting
>>63570297
Aren't they anarchists?
Its fucking ridiculous that the media has convinced people that right wing now means racism and fascism when it really just means economic freedom
>>63570420
No, they are telling the emperor, who is black, to leave quickly
>>63570604
see >>63570602
they even toured together. Their early stuff is pretty reminiscent of Joy Division (they even toured together once), they've shifted to Industrial Metal since then, but the post-punk/goth element is still there. They put out an album just last year that was 8/10 easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7WPI4TJImo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU9sgB6YJJU
>>63570636
that's not what right wing means
>>63570632
No, they're fascists. Listen to Slow Riot. It's about the dangers of challenging the political order (or, more specifically, rioting).
>>63570636
Grandpa pls go
>>63570605
you could deduce from the same quote that they are making music for the serfs outside the walls, which is more likely. they've always been a "for the people" band and a harshly anti-establishment band
>>63570297
Gybe is fucking leftwing m8
>>63570669
Alright, I'll give them a listen as well when I'm done with this album.
>>63570688
They've always been firmly pro-establishment. There's even a page on their website where they talk shit about Radiohead for their politics: http://www.brainwashed.com/godspeed/oor.html
>>63570636
Found the libertarian retard
>>63570636
Le enlightened political teen
Does anyone have a link to the interview where Iceage had to list some good albums and they listed a NSBM album? Been trying to find that
>>63570636
That's not what right-wing means outside of the bizarro media circus of the USA. Bet you're one of those people who uses "liberal" wrong
>>63570717
It's possible that the moniker is a criticism of unquestioned loyalty to authority. That doesn't seem nearly as edgy, though.
Swans
>>63570765
leftism is about the government making more decisions, rightism is about individuals making decisions. Neither is inherently racist or any shit like that
>>63570792
>implying most native english speakers do not speak american english
Are you trying to imply people should be using liberal as the word traditionally meant (the opposite of what it means in modern language)
>>63570803
Swans seems non-political.
>>63570822
Let's not get a /pol/-tier discussion started here. I'm just interested in the art and aesthetics of it all.
there is nothing right wing about gybe and the guy who says otherwise is clearly baiting
theyre left anarchists ffs
Wouldn't be surprised if Titus Andronicus was. They definitely do not seem like liberals
>>63570632
>anarchism
>not right-wing
When will this meme die?
The only people who openly call themselves anarchists anymore are "antifa" and social justice faggots. Bonus points if they're rocking communist/marxist symbolism while doing it. Meanwhile people who agree with capitalism, free association etc are actually closer to being anarchists than any kind of leftist
Lil Ugly Mane - "Columns" is a pretty intelligent, right-leaning rap song even if he has a silly name.
>>63570669
Relevant to what's happening in Europe right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy92Ypkpn6I
>>63570684
TYT audience pls commit suicide
>>63570185
They said subtle.
>>63570875
efrim has said numerous times how much he is against the political establishment, banks, market and such
i am a die hard conservative but they are the complete opposite. theyre not sjws at all but they are leftists, anarchists, just plain and simple bleeding heart people. listen to lyrics they have on silver mt. zion records. you cant get more political than that
>>63570785
pls
>>63570875
>Meanwhile people who agree with capitalism [...] are actually closer to being anarchists
What the fuck am I even reading? I think you're confusing America's fucked up left/right paradigm in terms of the idea that left means more government and right means less. That's not how it works in the rest of the world.
>>63570862
What the fuck are you talking about
>>63570947
>asking for fascist music
>gets called a TYT viewer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1yoWTvhl60
>>63570785
I remember one blog was posting about it. I'll check the article
>>63570744
M8 what. He talks shit about radiohead because they were all anti-corporation while belonging to a label
>>63570986
It's reverse-politics you fucking idiot. They make leftist arguments in their music to show how ridiculous those arguments are.
>>63570986
How can one be leftist and anarchist? Seems like those concepts are complete opposite
>>63571003
Yeah, the rest of the world is either no proper government at all or unabashed leftism
>>63571049
Exactly. They're saying Radiohead shouldn't be anti-corporation.
>>63571003
oh, some guy on an American website is speaking in American English? What a travesty!
>>63570785
>>63571000 (checked)
>>63571034
Can't find the interview, but the band they praised, other than Burzum, was Absurd, a German NSBM band.
>>63571454
Thanks man
>>63570511
you can be gay and right wing m8
>>63571523
Welcome mVIII
>>63571614
Yep. Douglas P. of Death in June was a homo.
>>63571658
I love when /pol/ tries to bait and the stormniggers come flooding to /mu/ like flies on shit.
Peste noire is pretty subtle in their right wing stances. in their documentary famine said they give hints here and there as well as the anti-commie sticker in his office.
>>63571641
>>63571614
true. and lets be clear now.
Republican does not always equal conservative, which does not always equal right wing. In america you have more people aligned with all 3 categories, but outside you have more people who are mixed here and there.
>>63571884
Of course it's more nuanced than that -- and always has been. In the U.S. and elsewhere.
>>63572081
>>63570584
Fascism has nothing to do with hating Jews.
>>63572630
Maybe not in theory, but there has been a historical link to the far right and antisemitism.
>>63570744
Just took a look at this
>"Have you by any chance heard the latest Radiohead album, Kid A?
>"Radiohead is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and liars. They are crazy enough to think that everything they say is taken seriously, despite the fact that they belong to a multinational."
How is it that for a band that puts so much value into minimizing the distance between listener and music by focusing on the music and not the person making it, they go straight to attacking the artists' personal decisions, and ignore their actual work when they don't agree with their values. They call Radiohead for being "nothing but a bunch of hyprocrites" yet Godspeed are the ones who end up being the hypocrites in this case. Also, that comment on how they think everything they say is taken seriously is entirely pulled out of their ass.
I'm a fan of their music regardless of what they think because that's what actually matters in the end, but it's sad that they don't do the same when it comes to they artists that they listen to.
>>63570602
This is some MRA tier shit
>>63573175
Given the dropping rates of T in men, and the gender-crazy counterculture that's come about, this guy clearly saw something on the horizon **and wasn't wrong.**
>>63572081
>"less government = anarchism" is b8
found the antifa-ggot
>>63573175
>le MRAs xDDD
It's so weird that people think Death in June is the epitome of fascism in music when all he really does is explore the imagery to an extent that other artists wouldn't dare. Probably because people would think they were fascists. I've talked to the guy extensively, he's no nazi. Not even close.
The fall/mark e Smith
>>63573930
Nah. I'd say he's fairly left-leaning given that he was a member of the Socialist Workers Party. Working class lad from Salford would more than likely be a Labour supporter anyway. He does say a lot of mental shit, being mental, though.
>>63573742
isn't he openly gay as well? i don't know if fascists appreciate homosexuals all that much.
>>63573742
douglas is a nice boy everyone knows dis
>>63570679
>No, they're fascists
lol hope you're joking there m8
>>63571071
jesus fucking christ
>>63573742
this dude. He played a concert in Jerusalem for christs sake
Liturgy seems like it
>>63574877 (checked)
Jesus Christ, I don't even care that much about what side they're on, if one at all -- I'm just curious. It's really autistic how leftists attempt to delude themselves into thinking that everyone else is on the same page as them.
>>63575575
Any songs you'd recommend?
>>63576610
>songs
get the fuck out of here retard
>>63576675
==pls no bully==
>>63576775
just listen to the arc work brah
didn't morrissey say he voted for UKIP?
>>63576948
Morrissey knows what's up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKoS5X4SMrY
>>63577000 (checked)
That's a pretty ballsy title desu
my music is instrumentals but id stay its right wing because i am.
>>63577384
Do you incorporate that into any cover art related to it? Also, link pls
>>63576797
Listened to Renihlation and Aesthetica first, and this stuff is pretty good.
>>63570538
uh you are making shit up and generally a giant fag and a miss representer F A G G O T posting on /mu/ telling lies wtf how did you get here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ziDxbcSj8
