I think this album will be celebrated as one of the greatest albums of all time in the future decades, getting its fame way after its time.
Agree?
>>63551059
It's been 20 years already. The only thing it's got going for is the meme cover art. AFX is a hack.
>>63551059
he will be remembered for the selected ambient.
>>63552544
SAW is the pleb choice though
>>63551059
yeah it's not like people haven't had plenty of time to digest afx's career and decide his legacy
>>63551059
Drukqs is his magnum opus tho
>>63552558
the plebs are right (for once).
Definitely the most complex drum programming ever at the time...it's just crazy how he went from I Care Because You Do to Hangable Auto Bulb in less than a year.
selected ambient works 2 is his best album
>>63552558
literally no
ambient techno>any breaks based """"""idm""""""
>>63552501
>people actually still think SAW 85-92 is one of his best
holy plebiness batman
>>63551059
Is my #1
All of the drill and bass that he did is going to be overshadowed by artists like Vsnares.
>>63553003
Venus Hares is just a glib facsimile of Dick James
>>63553003
I doubt it, Aphex has a great melodic sense as well. It's really a case of synergy, the sound design and technical skills plus Satie and Chopin worshiping seem to have really paid off for him. It's not that he's the best at any one thing, but he puts several difficult things together well. In my opinion at least.
>>63551059
His music sounds incredibly dated, so no.
>>63553107
nothing worse than dated music, right? i demand all music to be free of dates. just like me.
>>63552746
Nice meme kid.
>>63553003
lol Vsnares is so gauche and chintzy, even when Aphex goes full on drum fuckery he still keeps some sense of taste. Plus he can back it up with his melodic abilities.
>>63553107
<18s need not reply
>>63553146
It's still good but for an album to be the "greatest of all time" it can't sound like someone could make it in garage band in 2016.
It was incredibly pioneering and still shows talent but the way the genre moved made this style seem run of the mill as time went on
>>63551059
>>63552584
>>63552681
>>63552924
>>63553003
>>63553076
Drill and bass/breakcore is the buttronica of experimental electronic music.
>>63553107
Fuck off Skrillex, you're a hack
>>63553279
Skrillex actually really likes RDJ. He even posted one of his songs on his facebook page at one point.
>>63551059
syro is his best
>>63553251
lol i'm 22 and was into this album in middle school/high school it's just incredibly entry level for idm and touting it as GOAT only shows how little jungle music you've been exposed to
>>63553252
Yeah I guess I figured "greatest of all time" was like the mu equivalent of clickbait, just kind of over-exaggerating the importance a bit. It's a good album, good artist, I can't really argue if it's greatest or not, too many factors. Some days I've definitely thought it was the greatest though.
I'll just leave the garageband comment though...no point addressing that.
>>63553252
That's nonsense. You can replicate Bob Dylan's music in an actual garage with a pawn shop acoustic but that doesn't really mean anything
RDJ's biggest impact on music was that he influenced artists better than him.
Ask a random guy on the street whether he knows Radiohead and the answer is guaranteed to be yes. No one will knows about RDJ because he's a hack with no talent.
>>63553299
Jesus, Skrillex you can't take a hint
>>63553377
Radiohead was way more influenced by Autechre, listen to LP5 sometime.
>>63553356
No you can't because there is an element of song writing in folk music that can't be emulated. IDM can be emulated these days and that detracts from the classic albums despite what they required when they were made
>>63553276
this. richard pre-rdj album > after rdj album
although the tuss stuff was aight
>>63553305
>into this album in middle school/high school
>entry level for idm
>touting it as GOAT only shows how little jungle music you've been exposed to
Wtf am i reading
>>63551059
>released 1996
>2016, people still don't give a shit
Aphex Twin is a hack with no talent.
>>63553305
>entry level
>he thinks music is a contest
I've been exposed to plenty of modern "jungle" music which is how I know this is still the best. You're falling into the typical fallacy of "I got used to a thing so it doesn't matter anymore"
>>63553305
pretentious much?
>>63553444
>I've been exposed to plenty of modern "jungle" music
like?
>/mu/ constantly shits on RDJ and calls him overrated
>endlessly praises BoC
Fuck this
>>63553391
Everything you just said is wrong
>>63553404
actually the problem is that too many people DO give a shit about RDJA yet ignore the rest of his body of work
both SAW volumes are more classic in their respective genres and drukqs is the better drill and bass album but for some reason people still listen to RDJA and RDJA only
>>63553495
I'm not falling into that trap kiddo, anything I name you're going to denigrate to"prove" your point whether you actually like it or not
>>63553501
not an argument
>>63553444
Jungle's been dead for 15 years, anon.
>>63553391
The same can be said for many genres. Any band with enough money for a few pedals can 'emulate' Loveless but they are pale imitations. No one can do RDJ except RDJ. We have a case study for this. Skrillex tried to emulate RDJ's iz-us/flim-type tunes and failed spectacularly
>>63553391
yes, all the technology is available for people to make IDM, but this earlier stuff ends up sounding better because artists were swept up with the possibilities presented by new technology and implemented them in ways that were highly personal and creative. RDJ wrote great music and its success only depends on his knack for inventive rhythm and melody.
>>63553565
lol i figured as much
putting jungle in quotation marks def outed you
>>63553519
analord, tuss, syro, those are probably my faves from him honestly...it's hard to tell though cause I've overplayed all the older stuff.
>>63553444
>modern jungle
is that even a thing? if it is it's the most cringe genre i've heard all day
>>63553618
Genres don't die, you just start ignoring them
>>63553444
>modern "jungle" music
u wot
>>63553656
I also hate when people say this, as if the social "scene" matters more than the actual music
>>63553643
I meant jungle of the modem era, not "modern jungle" as a separate genre from jungle
>>63553499
most of that is just memeing because he's so entry-level, if you look at chart threads and actual genuine opinions its clear people here love him as much as, if not more than BoC
>>63553499
The truth is bruv, in most "rivalries", the people like both of the artists.
I know I do.
>>63553706
Except in the case of jungle, it is dead. There's some throwback stuff occasionally here and there but outside of that, nothing actually new or progressive anymore so to speak.
>>63553656
Except in the case of jungle, it is dead. There's some throwback stuff occasionally here and there but outside of that, nothing actually new or progressive anymore so to speak.
>>63553719
Except in the case of jungle, it is dead. There's some throwback stuff occasionally here and there but outside of that, nothing actually new or progressive anymore so to speak.
>>63553681
>>63553706
>>63553719
>>63553732
>>63553746
Except in the case of jungle, it is dead. There's some throwback stuff occasionally here and there but outside of that, nothing actually new or progressive anymore so to speak.
>>63553656
The genre is definitely on life support tho and what's left of it is just recycling the same shit that it was doing in '94/'95 so of course "modern jungle" isn't great
>>63553676
The "scene" is a rather important component when it comes to dance/club music, to be fair.
>>63553752
Except in the case of jungle, it is dead. There's some throwback stuff occasionally here and there but outside of that, nothing actually new or progressive anymore so to speak.
>>63553684
jungle only exists in the modern era what are you even saying
>>63553692
Yeah but with shit like IDM there's lots of layers, I've been aware of Aphex for like 10 years before I really re-listened to his stuff and became obsessed with it and whatnot. Same with AE and Boards...just cause you've heard it doesn't mean you've really absorbed it. Not that that's a bad thing but it's just a cool experience.
I remember about 6 months ago I listened to Aphex literally all day and then had this weird experience where the all noises I heard sitting in a library sounded like awesome music. It's some weird shit.
>>63553801
literally delirium
in future decades i hope majority off ppl will finally realize he hasnt done much off worth bsides saw1
>>63553816
tru but people here are delusional and contrarian tryin to act like his shitty jungle and john cage rip-off album is as good as saw8592
>>63553276
in overall output maybe, but denying that some top-tier stuff has come out of it is just retarded
>>63554141
nothing good has come out of it
>>63553499
RDJ is overrated though, not to say he's not still god-tier
Also BoC deserve endless praise for their stuff pre-CH but they certainly don't get it here, they've been grouped into that shitty brotempo meme
>>63554160
>what is drukqs and all of rdj's drill n bass output
>what is venetian snares's early 2000s output
>what is early 2000s nu jazz squarepusher
>what is bogdan raczynski
>>63554265
all of that is trash especially vsnores
>>63554287
my taste > your taste then friendo :^)
>>63554265
yeah, none of that is good.
>>63553382
i'm not skrillex lmao
>>63554201
Geogaddi is all that seems to get talked about anymore and everything else is disregarded - nevermind that some of their best work is their pre-MHTRTC stuff (and even that album doesn't get as much discussion as it used to).
>>63554358
liking a genre that's pretty much metalhead jungle/'ardcore pretty much invalidates your taste, bud.
>>63554265
>>63554287
though bogdan and jazzypusher are somewhat acceptable since some of that stuff is closer to standard jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhhh1aMbLgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DutKmbxWpLo
>>63554417
>>63554426
except it's completely separate from jungle and has been since the late 90s at the very latest. hell, rdj's stuff like hangable auto bulb couldn't have been reasonably classified as jungle or drum n bass even at the time. this whole idea that breakcore should be thought of as a form of jungle just because it was partially derived from it is fucking stupid.
>>63554494
breakcore has more to thank hardcore (as in gabber hardcore) than jungle, greg hates car culture is 0% jungle and 100% hardcore
the connection with jungle comes from drill and bass + breakcore hybrids like later vsnares, flashbulb, and various rdj imitators that missed certain elements of rdj's music that made it acceptable and made their music solely for the lolsowacky lolsocrazy breaks and orchestrations
that shit is whack beyond relief
>>63554494
also the first drill and bass tunes come from luke vibert's jungle alias plug, whose ep's predate hangable autobulb by a couple of months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-UFdX-15cg
>>63554606
I'd say that's pretty fair, though more because of Alec Empire than the example of Greg Hates Car Culture. I'd also retroactively consider drill n bass stuff as breakcore since I feel the artists you listed directly evolved from the experimentalism of RDJ and Squarepusher's mid-late 90s output.
>>63554287
>venetian snares
>trash
nigga what the FUCK
>>63554670
alec's digital hardcore label and underground scene, those too yeah.
>>63554648
Yeah, I'm aware. I guess what I'm trying to say is that breakcore started off with Alec Empire's shit, and around the same time people like RDJ and Squarepusher started making stuff heavily influenced by jungle that quickly evolved to become something completely separate from it. Eventually the drill n bass of RDJ and Squarepusher evolved even more to where it basically became early 2000s breakcore (see Drukqs) and then a new wave of artists (mainly Snares) reincorporated the more hardcore sounding influence of original breakcore.
not even his best album
...ICBYD > SAW II > RDJ Album > SAW = Caustic Window LP > Syro > Drukqs
>>63554773
RDJA > Drukqs = SAW II > Syro > SAW > ICBYD > Caustic Window
tbqh
>>63552584
As unpopular as this is, Ziggomatic 17 is the best track of the album and is also my favorite tune ever.
>>63553444
Jungle has been dead since like 1997 anon.
Anything labelled as 'Jungle' nowadays is Ragga DnB, which is quite shit in comparison.
If it's not the amen break, it's not Jungle
>>63554721
Yes, he's pretty shit
>>63552729
agree became super shitty when it abandoned the techno influences and started with the breaks
>>63554970
I wouldn't say he's shit, but it's angsty dark trashy breakcore so it's not very easy on the ears. Which is why a lot of breakcore is for a very specific time and place. I make happy breakcore but I'm shit in comparison. He has really good technical skills, but i think a lot of his music is just too thrashy.
>>63553387
I hear more Aphex influence with Radiohead, really.
drukqs is his magnum opus
>wow haha look at my scary face i'm so edgy XDDD
How can anyone take this guy seriously? sad part is his music is subpar at best. Good for sampling I guess.
>>63556560
w0w it's another terrible new trip great job just what this dying husk of a board needed I'm sure you're ready to brighten the place up with your terrible easily accessible archived opinions
