Vaporwave is the white middle class equivalent to rap music
>>63547547
That's retarded.
shut up you celibate nerd
Vaporwave is the musical equivalent to birdshit
>>63547547
>t. angry minority who cant be black or white and is instead some third irrelevant race
>>63547786
Birdshit is very important
>>63547547
rap is the white middle class equivalent to rap
Research the musical origins of rap and you guys will understand. Vaporwave will grow into the next big pop music movement - which sounds equally as unlikely as it was back in the days for rap to turn into the next big pop music movement. Corporate labels paying rappers money to rap about cutting corporate throats
>>63547828
Birdshit is not very important
>>63547988
it's still more important than vaporwave
>>63547547
But rap music is already the white middle class equivalent to rap music. Has been for years.
>>63548011
Rap music is pop music that appels to the white middle class but it's origins are from poor nigger strata. Vaporwave shares it's roots musically with rap, except that this time the location are not block partys etc but the cyberspace, and the creators aren't b-boys, but white middle class folk
It's objectively synthpop.
Both genres had their earliest entries in the late 70s but gained prominence in later decades, and both have become integrated into mainstream pop music where even artists not involved with either genre will feature elements in their songs.
In a sense the two have even blended together now that hip-hop primarily uses synths for making instrumentals.
>>63548053
>Vaporwave shares it's roots musically with rap
Early vaporwave is not based in rap.
>>63548064
The dominant aspect of vaporwave is sampling vapid massculture, be it anime or 70's synthpop. It can't be really defined as a genre, except from it's focus on sampling, it's self-consciousness and referentiality - traits it shares with hip hop
>>63548064
Go back to /mlp/ Lazare. Haha faggot.
>>63548085
It is not based on rap, it shares similiarities as i explained here
>>63548094
The total focus on sampling and manipulating already existing music.
>>63548053
So you're suggesting that record labels are going to start paying people who aren't white middle class to pretend that they are white middle class on record, just like they pay random black guys to pretend they're from the hood? Sounds kinda dumb.
This shit only works with rap because it's a form of escapism for the white middle class listener.
Can vaporwave be made with anything?
Like this for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnZdVi5pQ9I
>>63548094
This breaks down because hip-hop is NOT defined by a focus on sampling.
90s hip-hop prominently used samples, but in the last twenty years the instrumentals used for hip-hop are largely self-made.
>>63548206
No, because vaporwave is not sampling.
It would be plunderphonics.
>>63548146
As i said, look at the roots not at the current state. Sure, by now Rap is a fully integrated desubstancialized pop genre. But when it was getting big, NWA, Public Enemy and so on, it was still very much authentic in it's origins and closed-offnes for a white audience (which made it so appealing to the white audience).
To translate the example to vaporwave, (if it happens) they will be paid to create a music which is totally conscious of it's own vapidity, just as rap was, it is extremely postmodern in the sense of this:
>Postmodernism is completely indifferent to questions of consistency and continuity. It self-consciously splices genres, attitudes, styles. It relishes the blurring of juxtaposition of forms, stances, moods, cultural levels. It disdains 'originality' and fancies copies, repetition, the recombination of hand-me-down-scraps. It pulls the rug out from under itself, displaying an acute self-consciousness about the work's constructed nature
DFW used this to make a point of rap being postmodern, how this description fits with vaporwave should be easily recognizable by everyone. And just like rap, vaporwaves closed-off-ness towards the existing pop-culture is what creates a great appeal in the digital spheres. Youtube numbers are big these days, but one shouldn't ignore that we have millions of hits on a couple of vaporwave tunes these days.
>>63548292
Again, roots, origins.
From the slow emergence in the 70's, it's breakthrough in the 80's and it's peak in the 90's, this is what has defined hip hop, more than anything else. Once incorporated Rap lost touch with it's roots
>>63548327
holy shit you make reddit psuedo-philosophers look smart. do you realize how much of a fucking fool you're making yourself out to be?
>>63547547
No it's not, white middle class listen to rap music, most of the planet listens to rap music.
It's disgusting, I know, but it's the truth
>>63548368
Make a counter-argument, my euphoric friend
>>63548327
Your parallels don't match up.
By your claim, hip-hop was originally authentic, and became self-referential and conscious of itself.
Vaporwave was never authentic. That was one of its key tenets.
The comparison simply isn't there.
>>63548351
You're reinforcing my comparison to synthpop, down to the loss of its roots as synthpop was once considered an avant-garde genre embracing new technology and is now simply another kind of pop music regurgitating past iterations.
You should also know that a million hits on a vaporwave video really means nothing "these days".
huh
>>63548446
>hip-hop was originally authentic, and became self-referential and conscious of itself.
No, it's self-referentiality and consciousness was authentic. Just as vaporwaves is. It's total awareness of artificiality and the vapidness of the work it samples, is in a way this closed-off music of a music that grew up in cyberspace.
>an avant-garde genre embracing new technology
Vaporwave was never really avantgarde or embraced new technology. It has done nothing new, unlike synthpop.
>>63548595
*of a generation
>>63547988
It's extremely important, several plants rely on it to reproduce.
>>63548327
You're overthinking it and missing the big point, which is that rap is associated with a minority group. White people like hip hop precisely because it is made by poor black people (or rather, because it is presented as being made by poor black people). The escapism is key and vaporwave does not have that.
Also this >>63548446. Vaporwave is too postmodern. Modern ap at least has a distinguishable reference point that it's copying inauthentically. Vaporwave would be an inauthentic copy of something that was never authentic in the first place.
>>63548595
>Hip-hop was authentic
>Hip-hop wasn't authentic
>No, it's self-referentiality and consciousness was authentic.
They are more or less diametrically opposed.
>It's total awareness of artificiality and the vapidness of the work it samples
This is outright fabrication. Hip-hop producers sampled soul and funk tracks because they liked the music, not because they thought it was vapid.
>It has done nothing new, unlike synthpop.
Which is why hip-hop is distinct from vaporwave, because it introduced a new element to pop music (rapping, which as a rhythmic vocal style was a break from the overwhelmingly melodic vocal styles of pop music prior), just as synthpop introduced a new element to pop music through the use of synthesizers into the overwhelmingly guitar-oriented pop music of the time.
Again, your parallels do not mesh, and you do not seem to actually understand what "authenticity" is. Just because vaporwave is a niche genre and uses samples, does not make it the "middle class white" equivalent to hip-hop by any stretch.
