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Post classical and discuss.
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What is /classical/'s favorite opera?
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>>63486575
My favourite is The Magic Flute. My second favourite is Norma.
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Bump for classical music.
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>>63487750
classical music sucks. death metal is way better
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>>63487824
That's your opinion.
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hilary hahn month for me
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>>63487960
Which of her performances is your favourite?
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>>63487960
>tfw missing out on her performance in Vienna cause of work
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>>63487917
death metal influenced classical is the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0667YvaVw9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ieL5bnQKPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zptvLiMBn7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXbwPRmyMLM
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>>63487824
death metal is the retarded cousin of classical.
Classical started dissonant chugging and syncopated rhythms in 1912. metal was something like 70 years late to the scene, and when they did finally do loud dissoant music, they did it in the popular music form of intro-verse-chorus-verse. Metal is just popular music with distorted guitars and screaming.

Metal is written by untrained plebs, for untrained plebs.
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>>63486575
B L U E B E A R D S

C A S T L E
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Is this good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEnfZjqMSy0
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>>63488156
>metal
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>>63488156
>death metal influenced classical is the best
what did he mean by this?
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>>63486575
gotterdammerung
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>>63487960
got her signature on my Bach sheet music

She used to be so young
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bamp

I like xenakis, do you think my friends would?
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Can anyone recommend me some vocal classical music?
inb4 the choral chart
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>>63490747
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>>63486575
Figaro.
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>>63490747
why do you post that shitty chart?
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>>63490747
Palestrina, Morales, Victoria, Josquin, Lassus, Taverner, Obrecht.
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>>63491185
>shitty
Rude. I posted it so that it's clear what sort of choral I enjoy.
>>63490779
>>63490948
>>63491194
Thanks.
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>>63486575
Don Giovanni
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>>63490747
>Arvo Part
For modern choral try Richard Einhorn - Voices of Light.
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>>63490747

Golijov - Oceana
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>>63491497
>>63491518
These are great. Can you recommend any other contemporary works?
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>>63491630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys8cm0W2Ds
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Could anyone help me out? I'm looking for stuff similar to Stravinsky's les noces or Orff's trionfo di Afrodite.
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>>63486575
La Traviata
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Just started with classical music. I listened to about 50 pieces now. I found these pieces by looking through the rym classical chart while ignoring moviescores and the alike. Are there any pieces I definetely should have listened to?
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>>63492777
>listen from top rated lists

You fucked up senpai, start with Mozart concertos and branch out from there.
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>>63486575
Prince Igor.
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>>63492794

already listened to about 2 Mozart concertos. I don't want to listen to every mozart concerto without listening to other stuff in between though. Could you recommend me something else so the whole porcess doesn't get monotonous?

Btw, my favorites so far are le sacre du printemps,matthäus passion, the nocturnes, Gnossiennes; Gymnopédies; Ogives; Trois sarabandes; Petite ouverture à danse, Das Lied von der Erde and Rhapsody in Blue.
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>>63493097
Who cares about what you like, just listen to Mozart.
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>>63493136

Well, I just fell for the common misconception that someone could recommend me music based on my preferences.
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>>63493151
>Well, I just fell for the common misconception that someone could recommend me music based on my preferences.
But I did. I noted a lack of Mozart in your preferences, which is why I prescribed more Mozart.
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>>63493219

And I said that I don't want to listen to all mozart conertos without anything in between. Then I asked you if you could recommend me something else on top of it. If you can't that's fine.
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>>63493239
>And I said that I don't want to listen to all mozart conertos without anything in between.
>Then I asked you if you could recommend me something else on top of it. If you can't that's fine.
Did you even read the chart?
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>>63493269

No I didn't, well at least not thoroughly. However, besides those 2 Mozart concertos, I already listened to 2 Symphonies, 1 of the Sting Quartets in the list and die Zauberflöte. I'd like something else besides mozart. It's fine if you don't want to recommend anything else.
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>>63493367
And people try to tell me Mozart isn't underrated. Try Haydn's complete String Trios (all 45 of them), the String Quartets Op 20, 33, 50, 64, 76, The Creation, The Seasons, and any number of Symphonies. Between these two masters you should have more than enough to listen to for a lifetime.
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>>63493456
And by String Trios I obviously meant to say Piano Trios
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>>63493456

Thanks!
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>>63492794
>>63493136
>>63493219
>>63493269
>all this mindless Mozart shilling

Was your objective to put people off listening to Mozart?
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>>63493097
>le sacre du printemps
Bartoks miraculous mandarin

>matthäus passion
Bach motets

>the nocturnes
I'm guessing you mean Chopin's? Listen to Faure's

>Gnossiennes; Gymnopédies; Ogives; Trois sarabandes; Petite ouverture à danse
Listen to Debussy

>Das Lied von der Erde
More Mahler, start with 1, 3 & 5 and then listen to the rest. Also Bruckner, start with 8

>Rhapsody in Blue
More gershwin, American in Paris, Piano Concerto, dayful of song
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>>63494228

Wow, that's a lot of stuff, thanks!
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>>63493367
Try his piano sonatas, Mozart did really well as a pianist minded composer, especially his A Minor sonata
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>tfw you thought Rogier was last of the Great Belgians but his assistant lived into the 1630s
Pity only one work of his survive though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoSjQAB-eLA
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Has there ever been a guitar solo in modern pleb music that was straight up plagiarized from a classical piece? Like people didn't notice right away?
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>>63493764
further proof
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Post yfw Mozart, Beethoven and Bach are all overrated.
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>>63486575
Don Giovanni.

>>63487960
She's a pretty decent classicwaifu

>>63487824
>reply

>>63495706
True dat
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>>63495706
That's bullshit, anon. Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are maybe played too often, but you can't say they are overrated.
>>63492795
Great pick. Russian operas are pretty underrated. Prince Igor, Boris Godunow, Sadko and The Golden Cockerel are all pretty patrician tier.
>>63488556
>>63488156
I don't have anything against metal or fans of metal, but there's nothing worse than people comparing metal and classical music.
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Is this classical? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs8JMsmQn-Q
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What Mozart symphonies should I listen to?
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>>63496275
Start at the top and make your way down until you are bored
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>>63496275
All of them.
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I need recommendations for the following composers:

Tristan Murail
Gerard Grisey
Octavian Nemescu
Horatiu Radulescu
Iancu Dumitrescu
Ana-Maria Avram
Hugues Dufourt

And other composers and recommendations from the spectral genre are welcomed too.
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Just a little request, what is the piece that he's playing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0xP5oBSB6w
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>>63497046
>implying life is long enough to justify it.

There's more than enough better classical. I love mozart, and there are lots you can enjoy, but fuck the early stuff at least.
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>>63497438
>Tristan Murail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNwRP2eZ2Q
>Gerard Grisey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6S7W8BkKmw
>Horatiu Radulescu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWsanUP9s0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccItjm_JmUw
>Iancu Dumitrescu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6MF0lG6bU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg7QkQINGcY
>Ana-Maria Avram
(technically an arrangement, but still cool) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrfcaqYEYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YSGKLURybc
also: Georg Friedrich Haas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZScMLcSt98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmX-h7_us7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoqvGLdjUhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tiXfIq-lyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnDmycfIweI
Georges Lentz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtWiQM8qy6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5vYaCtngAw
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>>63495222
yeah, a lot of shit. a lot of melodic/technical death metal straight up steals from classical pieces, like children of bodom and necrophagist.
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>>63490689
my friends fucking hate xenakis. sometimes I put on metastasis or a similar sound mass piece just to fuck with them.
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>>63488690
it's a meme
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>>63494228

Damn, currently listeing to Faures. I like them even more than Chopins.
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>>63486575
Vestí La Giubba

Sends chills down my spine...
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>>63498055
Thanks, I will listen to them.
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When is CLT coming back
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>>63495706
Further proof that Mozart is underrated
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Can someone recommend me some enjoyable classical music pieces? I'm expanding my library but every time I want to download something I forgot the names of the well-known ones.
What I already have & loved:
>Guglielmo Tell
>Saint-Saens - Symphony No. 3
>Griegs Morning & Mountain King
>Bachs Toccata and Fugue
>Mozart Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
>Moonlight Sonata
>Gustav Holst - Jupiter
My thanks to the anon that suggested some in a sharethread last week, I've listenened to most already, but so far nothing really spoke to me.
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>>63490747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzPi0CA1rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhJLd61vys0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoImjQOEp-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZdsOHRDMEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSopZ3y2ERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrt7pqB5Ecw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wgluFc-3gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLTqb-fMHIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuP0SExoojQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei4XsvrbTPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GrnwzEhi_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11A4wqv8_wo

>>63493097
If you like The Meme of Spring listen to Ameriques by Varesse.
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>>63499489

> Amerimeme by Varememe

fixed it for you
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>>63499489

Already listened to it, thanks anyway.
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>>63499948
You have to rec memes to memers family.
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>>63499948
>>63500014

Welp, I came here in the hopes of finding a place without arbitrary meme-accusations. Honestly, I'm somewhat disappointed.
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>>63496275
>What Mozart symphonies should I listen to?

29-41.
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>>63500123
Everything is a meme. The only non-memes aren't really worthy of being memes anyway.
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>>63500436
>underrating 25
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>>63500505

Am I a... meme? Are you a ... meme?
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>>63500560
could you possibly be more predictable?
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>>63500898
yes, if i posted the same reply exactly every hour
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>>63498832
>implying he ever left
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just shipped in today

now if someone would be kind enough to explain how these interpretations are shit because elitist reasons
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>>63501847
sorry senpai i can't tell you whether or not they're shit because i don't listen to purcell
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>>63501847
they arent

you did well

just remember to not listen to any brit classical past purcell and before britten (handel can be exempt)
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>>63502904
>Händel
>British

Nice meme
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>>63502904
>Händel
>British
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>>63503359
>>63503363
forgot to mention an exemption for sibelius as well
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Any symphony whose first movement is written in a strict sonata form? I was blown away when I first listened to Prokofiev's "classical" symphony.
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/classical/ should i commit suicide
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Any decent streaming service for classical music? Apple Music has so many recordings that are missing, I kinda don't want to use Spotify, so don't know which one to use atm.
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>>63503706
Yes, Poly.
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>>63503706
no

>>63503709
spotify and naxos are basically the best choices you have
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>>63503706
idk do you underrate Mozart?
>>63503709
Naxos is good, Spotify is also good.
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>>63503761
>idk do you underrate Mozart?
never in my life
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>>63503706
nah man just listen to shostakovich string quartet no. 8
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name a single classical musician who became famous but wasn't super fucking privileged from birth
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>>63504098
Bruckner was a literal peasant and had a lot of poor paying jobs for a long time.
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>>63504098
Beethoven
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>>63503359
>>63503363
Get a trip CLT.
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>>63504151
>>63504152
should have specified
name a famous modern classical musician (when classical music stopped being a mainstream discipline anyone could learn) that wasn't super fucking privileged from birth
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>>63504098
Anton Reicha ran away from home at the age of 10 because his mother did not want to educate him
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>>63504289
see >>63504224
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fucking no one, how unsurprising
classical music is fucking hopeless
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>>63504224
Moondog.
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>>63504224
define
>when classical music stopped being a mainstream discipline anyone could learn
and
>super fucking privileged from birth
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>>63488682
>>63488690
>>63496139

But metal is the true heir of Western art music and not related in any way to monkey nigger rock """"""""""music""""""""""

Haven't you heard the good word of ANUS, friends?
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>>63504705
So a poor person can aspire to be complete garbage, fucking wonderful.
>>63504722
1950 onward when classical went exclusive.
being rich or otherwise having a lot of access to musical resources
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>>63504587
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>>63504754
>or otherwise having a lot of access to musical resources
but any student interested in classical music would have this
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>>63505212
lolno
you're telling me everyone can afford summer festivals and conducting courses
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDdb65l-49E

anyone like wagner?
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>What are some notable modern composers? Name me 5 at least

>Is Arvo Part good?

>Mozart and Beethoven are just entry-level meme core, or they're actually good? I've heard their music is dated asf.

I hate being the newfag, but hey, drop me some charts if you have any. Classical has been the most challenging genre to get into.
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>>63505323
yes
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>>63505332
kill yourself
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>>63505332
>What are some notable modern composers? Name me 5 at least
john adams, phillip glass, steve reich, arvo part, thomas ades
>Is Arvo Part good?
no
>Mozart and Beethoven are just entry-level meme core, or they're actually good? I've heard their music is dated asf.
they're actually good
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>>63505419
Awesome chart. What I was looking for. Thanks
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>>63490747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiFQ0Sjmcc
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>>63505307
any decent uni offers conducting courses to music students
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>>63505332
>What are some notable modern composers? Name me 5 at least
Wuorinen, Rihm, Ferneyhough (inb4 poly accusations), Rzewski, Saariaho.
>Is Arvo Part good?
No.
>Mozart and Beethoven are just entry-level meme core, or they're actually good? I've heard their music is dated asf.
They're two of the best composers ever. fptmiu
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>>63504098
"Luciano Pavarotti was born on the outskirts of Modena in north-central Italy on October 12, 1935. He speaks fondly of his childhood, but the family had little money. Pavarotti, his parents, and his sister were crowded into a two-room apartment. His father was a baker, and his mother worked in a cigar factory."
http://www.notablebiographies.com/Ni-Pe/Pavarotti-Luciano.html
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>>63505488
Not good ones.
Not ones that will get you a professional gig.
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>>63505574
the way you learn to conduct is by conducting
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>>63504730
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>>63504224
Julius Eastman.

He's famous for being a meme and not privileged because he's a nigger.
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>>63505587
Which requires lots of money.
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>>63505574
or you can just, you know, compose.

people dont just hand you jobs, theres something in life called socializing and networking.
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>>63505614
to conduct a full orchestra maybe, you'd start out by conducting chamber groups or regional choirs or some shit and then graduate to full orchestra after a while hopefully. boulez taught himself to conduct just by rehearsing his own works. certainly you need a lot of free time to study scores and shit, but the only thing you need to actually buy is a baton (even that's not required).
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>>63505689
Which requires going to festivals, which requires money.
>>63505698
And I suppose these people will play for you out of charity?
And I suppose you're claiming Boulez was a charity case?
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>>63505733
yes but uni offers venues for networking (you should have friends and teachers you are close to, after all). through networking you obtain opportunities to travel to whatever events you want to. it doesnt take a lot of money.
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>>63505806
Friends and teachers aren't notable or helpful unless you're in a top level conservatory, which requires money.
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>>63505733
you can always apprentice/intern with a conductor and then take over when they can't play a concert
>>63505858
there's always scholarships
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>>63505911
>you can always apprentice/intern with a conductor and then take over when they can't play a concert
LMAO which happens every 20 years, until it's taken up by an actually qualified individual like fellow faculty or idk, ANOTHER NEARBY CONDUCTOR
>there's always scholarships
For the uber rich kids or the kids who have all the opportunity.

>there's always scholarships
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what exactly is the agenda in wanting poors in classical?
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>>63505972
what point are you trying to make?
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>>63506065
There are more poor people than rich people. Classical stays afloat because of all of the rich people, but Musicians and organizers want their concert halls to not always be half-empty
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>>63506069
That the disadvantaged have no chance of succeeding in classical music.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsYSS3xsJeg

What are some good contralto arias? I prefer lower lady voices
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where is a good place to start to get into classical?
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>>63506065
What do you have against poor people? I guarantee the best composers of medieval/renaissance who worked for the church had little money.
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>>63505858
they are helpful because they can finance your travels if they thought you were talented enough. pretty simple.

if you're talking about conducting, thats a specific case of musician
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fuck yall ima listen to anime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK3AiZH1D5M
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>>63506209
see >>63493136
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>>63506253

why are you implying i've something against them? i just find the discussion at hand to be curious. should be fairly obvious that rich people have an easier time doing anything ever.

i imagine most times i'd prefer the educated composer who had funding to study than the aspiring romantic minstrel-wanderer (though folk music is often beautiful and wholesome).
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>>63506585
>should be fairly obvious that rich people have an easier time doing anything ever.
Yeah, but you'd hope it's not a monopoly.
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Only just started getting into Rossini. Why is this so underrated?
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ITT: rich people disagree that only they can succeed in classical music
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>>63506896
>rich
Man I wish.
;_;
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>>63500123
It's just a joke holy shit don't take yourself too seriously
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>>63505323
Am I retarded or is this not that good of a recording? It seems that the guys especially have poor blending and vowels.
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>>63507170
Not that surprising because it's a non-native chorus. Diction is going to be less than perfect usually in those cases unless it's a really, really, really, well trained choir and the choir master knows his way in and out of the german language.
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>>63505592
>that richter Sofronitsky, Moravec, and Francois

Qt as fuck
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>>63507170
>>63507311
Also it's important to note just how variable the importance of diction is to most of these choir directors.

It's also something that's very rarely even noted in classical journalism and reviews these days, especially since good singers are harder and harder to come by. Especially in opera. I saw a performance of Pelleas more than a few years ago, and it was just laughable in how bad the pronunciation was from the singers. Especially criminal in that work, I tell you.
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>>63497438
For Murial check out Gondwana and L' espirit des dunes.
For Grisey look at Jour, contra Jour, Anubis and the usual les espaces acoustiques.

>>63505332
Good moderns:
Lera Auerbach, John Psathas, Lachenmann, Rautavaara and Schnittke.

Arvo Part is good, yes. behold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH8oLn5Avp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw

Beethoven is excellent, Mozart would be too if he could go 4 bars without a major cadence, and was a bit more polyphonic.

>>63506209
Listen to Beethoven's violin concerto, Then Bach's orchestral suite in B minor, then Janacek's first string quartet
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>>63507523
This is what happens when only musical values are emphasized over all other dramatic values (especially in the case of opera)
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>>63507592
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=Fuck+off+poly
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>>63507523
other than the creeping tendency of stupid amounts of vibrato/wobble in operatic works, the steady decline of people who can actually speak the language which they are singing is pretty annoying (this is not an issue exclusive to non-natives)

most singers these days are probably more concerned with just hitting the notes correctly, that things like diction, actual acting, etc. are discarded (just so they can wobble off of it a second later)

>>63507620
yeah, people definitely have their priorities mixed up about this.
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>>63507845
There is honestly nothing that pisses me off more than wobbly singers.
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Princeton is nice.

It feels a bit too posh for me, but the people at the music department are just lovely. Still can't believe I might go there.
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>>63507845
>>63507934
How much vibrato is too much, in your opinion? Do you have any specific examples of good vibrato vs too much?
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>>63507592
>Mozart
>not a master of polyphony
Poly pls kill urself.
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Friend told me about Liszt's Gnomenreigen the other day. Blew my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSQhcxhyIZY

Is there anything else like this? Preferably half-playable
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>>63507592
>Arvo Part is good, yes. behold:
>Mozart would be too if he could go 4 bars without a major cadence, and was a bit more polyphonic.
Fuck off. Mozart's music is far more intrinsically polyphonic AND contrapuntal than either Beethoven's or Pärt's.
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>>63508017
i think vibrato is ok, but you should have some taste about it. and you probably shouldn't do it much at all if you can't hold your notes, which is a more than common occurrence that i've heard on modern operatic recordings.

i think it was Behrens on the Sawallisch Ring that i remember pulling that kind of bullshit a lot. there are some very noticeable awkward pauses between the orchestra and her while the former waits for her to finish her line.
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>>63508072
I'm just saying I'd enjoy Mozart more if he wrote less homophonic tunes with major candences.

We dont need a major cadence every couple of bars when the piece is supposed to be in minor. I dont mind finishing the piece with a picardy third, but... every 4 or 5 bars? fuck.
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>>63508017
Vibrato should be used for emphasis and ornamentation, not wholesale on every note. Think Adolf Busch vs. Anne Sophie Mutter.

>>63508223
Elaborate and cite some examples of what you mean by "major cadence", it's hardly an unambiguous term. Also, just for fun, do try to name a major Beethoven piece that finishes in the minor mode and on a minor tonic.
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>>63508017
The problem with vibrato in opera is that it's just "look at me" attention whoring most of the time, with the singers trying to sing louder than the other, and wobble harder than the other.
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>>63508465
Not really, it has much more to do with the exorbitant increase of the orchestra's volume throughout the 20th century. Part of the reason why older singers had an easier time eschewing excessive vibrato and belting was because orchestras were a lot quieter back in the early 20th century.
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What performance of Boris Godounov should I get?
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>>63508504
In my experience the operas I have seen have had suitable orchestral pits where there is hardly an danger of the orchestra overpowering the singers regardless. I see no reason otherwise why they are singing so ridiculously.
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>>63508504
But DUDE
GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH SOUND TO FILL THOSE 3000-SEAT CONCERT HALLS
LMAO
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>>63508564
It's not a matter of overpowering but of balance. Even with an orchestral pit a louder orchestra will drive up the volume of the singers.
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>people don't realise that excessive vibrato is a way to hide terrible intonation
when i hear a piece with too much vibrato i just change it.
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>>63508531
A non Jewish one
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>>63508729
In the case of singing, does that really make sense though? You don't hide terrible intonation by wobbling off of an already wrong note. If anything you just make it more noticeable.
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>tfw you cant roll your Rs while singing
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>>63508832
If you warble on every note it is less noticeable because you don't have to hold the pitch of that note. You just waver around the general direction of it.

Choral music is the best way to see a vocalists true capability.
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>>63509011
Choral music us made for that though. If someone is doing that in a slow aria then there is a problem.
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>>63508014
I hope you're ready for your privledge to get checked, shitlord.
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>>63508938
Me neither. Flipped is the best I can do :(
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>>63509162
Lorenz makes it sound so easy.

i just want to sound like a motorboat when i am badly singing along with lieder and operas.
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>>63509235
Just get a motor installed in your mouth, problem solved.
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>>63509235
>>63509293
the thing is to put a motor in yourself
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>>63508938
Hearing a properly rolled R in singing honestly makes me diamonds.

Nothing quite as heavenly as hearing an entire chorus do it in unision.
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>>63509115
>implying SDF won't be the on telling others to check their privilege
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albert roussell is one of my new favorite composers. his string trio is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBjL5vcBXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQxOqmImeoY
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Reminder that Mozart's sonatas are underrated.
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>>63510599
I like no. 8 and 11. which ones are your favorites?
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>>63510740
8 and 14. 12 is up there too, but most performances I listen too feel too slow for my liking.
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>>63508289
Its more to do with major to minor ratio.
If a Beethoven movement is in minor, you know its mostly going to be in minor. There isn't going to be a major chord every couple of bars. This keeps the integrity of a minor movement and makes it feel minor, instead of littering what should be a solemn feeling piece with major chords. I just find Mozart fails to uphold this integrity, and even his 'minor' pieces feel bland and weakened. The full intensity of emotion of what a minor piece can be just isn't realized in Mozart. Note that I'm mostly talking about his non-opera works. His Requiem and Mass in C minor have enough integrity for my liking (not that the requiem is fully Mozart), but its his instrumental music and concerti that fail to resonate with me.

Even the mass in C minor like to hang around major chords. Major cadence at 4:40 - 4:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCUPyrk4Eg
I dont think that was the first one in the piece either
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>>63510854
try the 24th piano concerto
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Thoughts on Gershwin?
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>>63499489
Schnitke's 'I am An Expert in Human Passions' choir.. jesus. That's really something.
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Bump
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>>63512348
whos on bottom right
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Has taxes killed himself over the death of Boulez and Harnoncourt yet?
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>>63512505
Nuria Schoenberg Nono
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>>63508465
Literally the only thing turning me off from opera.
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>>63490747
Your ears will thank you. Also I've been into Glinka's Operas, Orlando Gibbons, Schutz (particularly the Symphoniae Sacrae), and The Deller Consort recording of L'amfiparnaso, Not to mention all the Codex and songbook material out there!
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I want to listen to Debussy's piano stuff. Where should I start?
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Should I listen to this or is there a better collection you could rec me?
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>>63513940
suite bergamasque and images are cool. 3rd part of the suite is the ever famous claire de lune, but it was the 1st part that really drew me into debussy, the intro just splashes like bright fountain water. images is in two parts (premier, deuxieme) and is pretty much bread and butter impressionism, the compositions are quite vividly visual.

as for players i like pascal roge & arturo michelangeli. there's also ivan moravec but i'd recommend saving him for after you're acquainted so you can really appreciate/hate his unique interpretations.
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>>63513327
He never posted here when Harnoncouet died. I can only assume he joined him and returned to the dirt.
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>>63486575
Parsifal
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>>63505592
I can't hear the humming
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>>63514134
>pascal roge
>playing debussy
i love that shit :')

have you heard him play ravel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlrJG4xri8
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I love Rhapsody in Blue, new world symphony, the french composer piece that describes the dead coming back one day a year, Beethoven stuff, i think im sick of cliche classic songs and i dont mind the composer, im looking for pieces a smidge off coventional pieces. Also where does mu download classical music??

Thanks
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which pieces of classical music would you recomend me to liten on an LSD trip?
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>>63486575
First one i went to see

DER RING DES NIMBULEGEN

or Madama Butterfly
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Rec me mid/late Romantic symphonies. Hell, any Modernist symphonies are good too.

I've just listened to Tchaikovsky's Symphony No.6 and Mahler's Symphony No.3.

Great stuff
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>>63516733
How about you finish listening to all of Mahlers symphonies first.
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>>63516733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYXMMrqY0Q
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>>63516489
Stimmung, Les Espaces Acoustiques
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>tfw you realise for early music one poorl recording discourages anyone else to record the same work again
Can we have hacks like Phillips gone already?
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>>63517156
He recorded some pretty mediocre Isaac too. I honestly haven't heard anything from Philips/Tallis that I've liked that much.
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>>63517033
Thanks anon
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>>63516353
Listen to Mozart
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How do you feel about classical played on electronic (or otherwise non standard) instruments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKKlBR-5R1Y
It personally makes my dick pretty hard.
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>>63517797

Personally I think that it's pretty neat, however I prefer the original .
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What's the best recording of all of Mahler's lieder to get?
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>>63520208
for rueckert lieder:

forrester/fricsay
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>>63520308
Thank you!
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>>63517797
I don't really like it. That's a man by the way.
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>>63486575
Tristan
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mozart is gay
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>>63514023
well, the public consensus (as well as my own) is that the Karajan is the best. I'll give this a listen too however and see which one I prefer personally
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>>63522735
GREATER EVIDENCE
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