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Welcome to the weekly /mu/ jazz Blindfold Test thread. Now every Friday.

If you're new, the point of these threads is to have fun and encourage critical listening, discussion, and general enjoyment of jazz. All critical music listeners are welcome. The more participation we have, the more fun and successful these threads will be. In the interest of keeping the thread alive and bumped, any general jazz discussion is welcomed here as well.

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THIS WEEK'S THEME: Organ Jazz
COMPILED BY: Jazzpossu

NEXT WEEK: Sextets
COMPILED BY: Jazzpossu

If you missed last week's thread, DON'T WORRY. It's not too late. Here are the links for the mystery tracklist. Download the tracks, record your thoughts/guesses/evaluations for each one, and then come back and post them in the thread. Remember, people will be posting guesses and thoughts in this thread so don't read the thread until you have listened to the music and collected your thoughts in order to avoid spoilers. Track info for this week's tracks will be posted at roughly 8:00 PM (EST)

http://www67.zippyshare.com/v/totAX8Qm/file.html

Posting with names and/or tripcodes is encouraged so that we can get to know each other. We also need more volunteers for people to compile our weekly tracklists. If you are interested, reply with your theme idea.
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>>63227464
Gonna post later cause I'm not done listening to tracks and I've got band practice in a min.

Just wanted to ask what people thought of /mu/'s overall perception of us in the meantime though.
I didn't think we were coming across as snobby or anything doing this. I just think it's fun and I find myself enjoying music a lot more thinking about it with the sort of perspective I've gotten from blindfold threads.
I get the feeling most of ye feel the same but it bugs me that a lot of people perceive us as trying to look down on everyone. Is there something we're doing wrong or is it inevitable that the rest of the jazz community (and the board as a whole) are gonna think of us this way?
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>Posting with names and/or tripcodes is encouraged so that we can get to know each other.

uh oh
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>>63227599
I think there are certain people who have never even bothered to click on the threads who seem to think it's some kind of contest to show off your knowledge rather than just to have fun discussing jazz. I've tried pretty hard to reinforce that it's all just for fun and that it's very non-elitist but I guess there will always be people who won't even give it a chance. Blind listening probably wouldn't appeal to those people anyway.
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>>63227800
It really just makes it easier to follow the thread and to keep discussions going week to week. That's really the whole reason why there is the option to post with a name on 4chan.
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>>63227464
Oops, next week's sextet theme is going to be compiled by me, not Jazzpossu.
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I'll post in a min or ten - not quite finished listening yet.

>>63227599
fuck 'em
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So I'll start by saying I've hardly listened to any organ jazz before now. What little I have heard has tended towards turning me off the instrument - it seems loud and not particularly versatile. Now's your chance to convince me otherwise...

>Track 1
Nice rocking intro. Organ solo was pretty intresting, good development to those screaming high notes at the end. Guitar solo didn't hold my interest in the same way. Sax is a bit more fun, he just jumps straight into it. Liked what the organ was doing underneath him in the middle, felt like he was gonna go into his own solo underneath the sax line - shame there wasn't more of that. Now the second round of solos comes round I'm thinking it's overstayed its welcome. Some trading, always goes down well in a track with this pace.

Decent, but went on a bit long.

>Track 2
Definitely know the tune, which should narrow it down a fair bit. Pretty certain it's not this version I've heard though... Organist is doing a good job here of filling the space around the sax solo without being intrusive. Did the sax just quote a Bird line around 1:40? That was a really awkward fit. Trumpet solo seems a bit meandering too, and not grounded enough in the harmony. Overall this just sounds a bit sloppy to me, I'm just not getting it. Rhythm section isn't helping.

Wasn't expecting those horns during the organ solo - that definitely spiced it up, and he made good use of the space around them.

Overall, I thought the organist had some nice ideas and techniques, but the rest of the group let him down.

>Track 3
This is exactly what puts me off the organ. Shopping mall music. I really would like to have something positive to say about this, but I can't. If it had been a bit longer maybe he'd have had some time to do... something? But to be honest I'm kinda glad it wasn't. Sorry...
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>>63228569
>Track 4
Sounds similar to the last track, but at least there's some forward motion in there. A couple of cool ideas in the soloing, and I like these bits near the middle where he just holds down notes for way longer than you'd expect. Jumps from that into a slightly different mood, which revitalises it just as I was flagging. Drummer picks up a little after his fill at around 4:30, but it's a bit late for him to finally decide he wants to do something interesting.

>Track 5
This is different. Reminds me of that hit song Herbie Hancock had in the Eighties (Rocket something?) - is this off the same album by any chance? Nice funky beat here, reminds me of early hip-hop. The soloist has been the most consistently interesting of any of these tracks so far. Hard to really talk about the track as a jazz piece since it seems like it's supposed to be club music, and I wouldn't actually listen to this by choice normally, but it was a breath of fresh air after the last two either way.

>Track 6
Sounds more like seventies (maybe eighties) prog than a jazz artist. Almost even reminds me of Extreme. The tone on the organ at the start is sweet, like you'd get on a novelty Halloween rock'n'roll single from the 60's. Then it jumps into the sort of groove Rush might write (the drummer reminds me a lot of Neil Peart), and then into something a bit funkier. I like the drummer most out of this, but everyone is locked into the rhythm and it's been arranged really well to have different things come to the fore. Even the hair metal guitar solo is enjoyable (partly for its brevity).

Well that was tight, though I realise my only point of reference for music like that is prog rock...
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>>63228600
>Track 7
Really nice laid back feel to this. Is this Grant Green? Sounds like his nice round tone and chilled out single-line playing. That was a good guitar solo. Organ solo starts off light, good choice... For such an obnoxious instrument he does a good job not overdoing it. Some decent soloing on both parts there, but the fact that it's a slow blues and the lack of dynamics in the track made the whole thing a bit dull by the end. Still a bit like background music, although at least better background music than track 3. Feels like it should have been played during an episode of Better Call Saul.

>Track 8
What the hell is the guitar doing here? It's not a QHCF track, play some rhythm. Shame, as it's distracting from a pretty sweet thing going on between organ and bass. There's a cool bit they do together at around 1:44. Organ sort of takes it outside. Must be more than one guitarist here because now there's a guitar solo and that mindless chugging hasn't stopped... This would have been my favourite so far if it wasn't for the guitar.

>Track 9
Back to circus territory with this intro. Not sure if they're supposed to be trading here or if this is just the most limelight-stealing comping ever. Sounds nice either way. Organ solo now. Seems a bit unfair the guitar doesn't get to shred around on top of this as revenge. Some nice noodling in that track but it didn't really go anywhere.

>Track 10
I like this track. Sounds like a good choice for an album/gig closer - everyone gets to say their piece and go off with a bang, but it's kept concise. The guitar and the organ do some of the best work here, that run down the fretboard near the start of the guitar solo was cool. Lovely tone on that trumpet too. But it's the guitarist's little riff at the start of the organ solo that does it for me, and the rest of his comping too. I love some good funky rhythm guitar way more than I like guitar solos...
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>>63228569

>Track 3
That track is definitely very strong on the cheese - I figured one of the traditional uses of Hammond is cheesy lounge music, so I put one of those in to see what you guys have to say.

This track was a very popular hit song when it came out, I read somewhere that some radio stations would play it multiple times an hour and the album that features it sold platinum - seems very bizarre from today's perspective.

>Track 5
It's not from Herbie's Future Shock that has Rock-it on it, it's actually way more recent than that. The drummer is certainly influenced by hip-hop and breakbeats and stuff like that and the turntable stuff definitely brings Rock-it to mind.

>Track 7
Not Grant on guitar here (he does appear elsewhere this week, though), but someone from a younger generation.
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>>63229331
>Track 3
Oh well then, I'm glad I wasn't supposed to like it

Just had another listen to track 2 and kicking myself trying to work out what the tune is...
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>>63229437

Track 2 is a fairly popular standard, so you're not grasping at straws. It's interesting that you didn't like the rest of the band - ignoring the organists that band has easily the highest profile musicians this week.
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>>63229536
Well on second listen I was less thrown off by it, but it still loses me after the sax throws in that weird quote, and I just don't like that trumpet solo, or whatever the rhythm is doing behind it.
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Since Hammonds and soul jazz in general don't feature that often in the /blindfold/s, please feel free to share your favorites in the thread as well

Here's an eerie and cheesy Hammond version of Caravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gyO0CDGyMU
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I wrote kind of a lot about this week's. Finishing up with some final remarks then I'll post my thoughts.
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>Track 1
This is exactly what I expected this theme to sound like. Very standard organ trio playing a very standard blues. I like some of the across-the-barline rhythmic stuff that the organist is doing but other than that the solo is mostly blues tropes. Hell, even that rhythmic stuff is pretty cliché, it’s just slightly more interesting than the rest of the solo. Also that’s where the guitarist seemed to show the most interest in what the organist was doing. Guitar solo is fairly standard as well with a lot of pentatonic and blues type stuff. Although there are a few more interesting bits. I’d guess it’s Grant Green. Ah well once the sax comes in I recognized this as the first track from Baby Face Willette’s “Face to Face” record. I couldn’t remember who the tenor sax player was but his solo is by far the most interesting part of this track. It’s like the whole band was playing down and waiting until that solo to really let loose. Some interesting bits in the trading too. I could have done without the first three minutes and just kept the last 3 and a half.
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>>63229963
>Track 2
Well this one I recognized right away. The tune is “Softly” from Larry Young’s Unity album with Joe Henderson on tenor. Now this is really great. Listen to how much space Henderson leaves in between his phrases and how Larry Young fills them up with just the right thing and Elvin responds to everything Young does. I think the beginning of Woody Shaw’s solo comes from a lick that Henderson played in his solo. Shaw’s solo is pretty good though the only thing disappointing is that Young isn’t really able to change his volume to match the intensity of what Shaw is doing. Or this is one place where I think switching up the drawbars to change the texture some during the intense parts of Shaw’s solos could be really effective. Young’s solo is nice and I guess he was saving that texture change for his solo. Nice how Shaw plays the melody out while Henderson played it in. Might have been cooler to write a countermelody and have them both playing on the head.

>Track 3
Well you got me on this one. I’m really frustrated here because I know I know this tune but I can’t think of what it is. Is it a Jobim thing? Well once again I’m going to question some of the comments that Jazzpossu makes about some of my selections but then includes something like this on his. This could be “on hold” music. Anyway the organ solo actually isn’t bad. I particularly like the little sixteenth note rhythm he gets into around 1:32. The main problem is that the rest of the instruments might as well be a backing track. They don’t respond to the soloist in the slightest.
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>>63229992
>Track 4
Well the tune is Misty. This has that Blue Note vibe to it, same as track one. Actually I’d probably guess this was Baby Face if I wasn’t sure that was him on track one. The blues tropes come thick and fast on this track as well, but for some reason here I find them satisfying rather than tiresome like I did in the first half of track 1. I think it’s just because it’s so deep in the pocket that those blues licks just feel good. I’m fairly sure this isn’t Jimmy Smith but I am pretty sure that it’s someone like Freddie Roach or Big John Patton, both of whom put out quite a few soul-jazz organ trio records on Blue Note in the mid 60’s that this track could easily be from. This is pretty good as far as the style goes. Could have been a minute or two shorter.


>Track 5
Wow I haven’t heard this since I was in high school. I can’t remember the name of the tune but I’m sure this is MM&W. I had a drummer friend in high school who was really into them and lent me a greatest hits CD of theirs and this was on it. I’m not sure I ever knew any of the names of any of these tracks though. This one reminds me of Mario 64 for some reason. That one sample sounds like Bowser breathing fire and the dark funkiness of it has a Mario vibe I guess. To me this isn’t really that interesting of a tune and it kind of relies on the samples and sound effects to keep it interesting, which they don’t really. The organ solo isn’t bad but doesn’t really have time to develop into anything interesting. This is kind of a fun throwback. There was one track on that CD that I used to really like. I might have to go figure out what it was.
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>>63230039
>Track 6
Well I had high hopes for this track because the composition was pretty cool. And different from everything else so far. I liked the shifting meter and metal-influenced drumming. But then the guitar solo really kind of bummed me out. It was just so full of hard-rock clichés. As a rock guitar solo I suppose it’s pretty good, but compared to a melodically or rhythmically interesting jazz solo- it just doesn’t hold up. Luckily things get better after that. This is an interesting track. No guesses as to who this was. I liked pretty much everything but then the guitar solo was a huge letdown.

>Track 7
This sounds like a Cialis commercial. It’s a very nice groove though over a slowwww blues. Very pentatonic playing from the guitarist. Could be George Benson. The organist’s playing is nice. This is somebody who gets the organ. Everything he plays is so simple but he repeats it with very slight variations with plenty of space in between so it works. That and his playing is RIGHT in the groove. This is smooth jazz at its best probably. The guitarist didn’t really stand out to me but the organist’s solo was nice. I wouldn’t think the track would stand up to a lot of repeated active listening but it definitely gets your head bobbing. Somebody should sample it.
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>>63230062
>Track 8
The way this one is panned in my headphones is kind of bugging me. Sounds like bass and rhythm guitar in the left channel, lead guitar in the right channel and organ and drums in the middle. I think the bass player is actually the most interesting thing on this track. (apart from the weird mixing). Without his nice rhythmic additions I don’t think this track would be very interesting at all. I take that back, the lead guitarist is doing some ok melodic fills too. This one is ok as a good head-bobber too and would make good sampling material. It’s pretty standard early-70’s soul/funk jazz. I could see it being Jack McDuff, Dr. Lonnie Smith, or Jimmy McGriff.

>Track 9
This stays nice and mellow through the whole thing. A few cool bits from the organ but other than that nothing too memorable. Once again this could be any soul-jazz organ trio. Not much to say about this one.
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>>63230081
>Track 10
I always get a chuckle out of these 60’s soul-jazz things where they have a congas player doing the tumbao over a swing feel. I really think it gives a certain stiffness to the swing but I guess it was really a pretty big fad at one point. This is really just kind of a simple blues vehicle without any thought really given to the head. Actually this recording sounds more modern than the 60’s, but the playing is straight out of the 60’s. Sax solo is kind of uninspired. The trumpet solo is actually kind of interesting- I feel like I have the most chance of guessing who the trumpet player is. Reminds me a little of Tom Harrell. The organ solo is kind of fun. Really a pretty unremarkable track overall though. Very basic soul-jazz blowing session over a blues.

>Final remarks
Well I did the first half of these earlier this week after I came home from teaching lessons and maybe I should do that more often. I feel like my critical listening skills were more warmed-up. I didn’t have quite as much to say about the last half of the tracklist. But then again those all felt fairly similar to me. I might have liked to see more variation in styles- I’d say over half the tracks fit into the “soul-jazz” territory.

I didn’t think I would guess very many of the players since I really don’t follow organ playing too closely but I actually recognized quite a few. I was expecting Jimmy Smith somewhere in there and I’ll bet he’s in there on one of those tracks from the second half of the playlist.
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>>63229992
>The tune is “Softly”
Damnit, I've listened to Rollins' Night at the Vanguard three times in the last two days and I never made the connection...

Funny that I didn't like the track - some of my favourite players on there.
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>>63229826
hey m8, I was wondering what the first track in the flute mix from a couple weeks back was
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>>63229963

>Track 1
yup, spot on
>Track 2
as well
>Track 3
Not a Jobim thing, but this tune was recorded in the US by multiple artists after this version popularized it. It's certainly very much elevator music, but a good representative of easy listening Hammond, I think.
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>>63230183
Ah I just figured out what Track 3 is. I guess the Astrud Gilberto version is the one I know which is why I thought maybe it was a Jobim tune.
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>>63229826
Here's one. If you like Unity I don't see how you'd dislike this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbb9V0F_d0
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>>63230039

>Track 4
It is indeed Misty, not a Blue Note release, though.

>Track 5
It is indeed MMW. I have nostalgic memories of this as the original album it was on was one of the first jazz records I ever bought.

>Track 6
I'm curious if anyone recognizes the composition, it was originally recorded by a much better known band. I guess this version is pretty obscure these days.

>Track 7
These are some people I thought you might recognize.

>Track 8
Not one of those, but certainly could be.

>Track 10
This one was released in the early 70's, but it's definitely done in an earlier style. If you queue up Track 1 after this, it sounds very similar in style for being released almost 10 years earlier.

>soul-jazz
Certainly ended up very heavy on the soul-jazz, although that's kind of the nature of Hammond in jazz, maybe should have put some non-Hammond Sun Ra organ stuff there to balance it out or something.

Unsurprisingly there is a Jimmy Smith track here somewhere.
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>>63230499
sounds great to me - I've actually listened to some Sam Yahel stuff, but for reason didn't think of him when I threw this list together
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>>63230401

Yeah, Track 3 is actually the same trio that backed up Astrud on her recording of this tune.
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>>63227464
>THIS WEEK'S THEME: Organ Jazz
welp, I already know at least one of these will be Dr. Lonnie Smith
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>>63230153
That was Lateef Minor 7th from Yusef Lateef's The Three Faces of Yusef Lateef
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>now on Friday
o cool

1. Groovy start, although the guitar doesn't do much for me, the horns manage to pick up. Interesting exchange with the hammond too.
2. The organ here is supporting the saxophonist, who seems to be drifting in a directionless way. The trumpet bit is better, but the organ solo is definitely the highlight; I liked the interaction with the horns on it as well.
3. Smooth and with little substance to it, imo. It's background music so I can't really fault it for that.
4. Still smooth, but a step up compared to track 3, if anything because there's some stuff going on, though I don't like that the organist seems to be doing the same with one of his hands throughout the track
5. This sounds like it has somewhat of a bleep influence, though it's not really nu jazz. The electronic instrumentals were what caught my attention for the most part.
6. Prominent guitar in here. The solo on 1:20 sounds a lot more like rock player than a jazz one. Maybe Canterbury scene? Not familiar with them, but dunno who else would put out something like this.
7. This is a nicer take on laid back stuff, but still a bit longer than I'd like.
8. Not particularly a fan of this, something sounds off, maybe the production. Though it improves with and after the guitar solo.
9. I feel like I'd like this more if it had a piano instead. The drums mark mostly the rhythm and the hammond and guitar sound too close, I mostly get the feeling they're the same thing (but that's likely on my part)
10. My favourite part of this track was the organ solo and the final bits after, it's a nice closure.
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1. This sounds nice and bluesy. Exactly what I think of when I hear “organ jazz”. I associate this kind of thing with Blue Note pretty strongly so this automatically makes me think of people like Jimmy Smith and Grant Green. It’s pretty enjoyable but kind of forgettable just because it sounds pretty much like all the other organ jazz I’ve ever heard. It is nice when the sax comes in though. It sounds like maybe Hank Mobley or Ike Quebec or somebody like that. The trading is my favorite part. Nothing about this really stands out but I can definitely still enjoy it, especially when it swings this hard.

2. As usual I recognize this as a standard but have no idea of the title. I am pretty sure it’s Larry Young though. I was expecting to see him show up and I think this is from his one album with Sam Rivers on sax. Oh wait there’s trumpet too so I guess this must be from Unity. I think this is pretty cool because as far as I know Larry Young was one of the first to do more out there kind of stuff with organ groups as opposed to just hard bop kind of things like track 1. 4.5 stars.
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>>63231130
3. Bossa Nova. This really sounds like elevator music to me. I really couldn’t find very much enjoyable about this. 1 star.

4. This one has a similar kind of sound to track 1, with just a bluesy organ trio and a very nice swing. I’m probably going to end up guessing Jimmy Smith for a lot of these tracks because he’s the main organ player I know who I associate with this kind of playing. I didn’t like this one quite as much as track 1 because track 1 had the more memorable sax playing. 3 stars.

5. This is what I’d call acid jazz. I’ve never listened to very much of this type of thing but I don’t have anything against it. I think the organ solo was improvised and it was pretty good which is something I wouldn’t necessarily expect of acid jazz. Overall though I think it felt more like a hip hop instrumental than a jazz piece. 3 stars.
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>>63231148
6. This one is pretty fun. I like the rock feel of it. Almost prog-rock I’d say because of the organ. I like how it keeps changing up all the way through and it was just about the right length. 4 stars.
7. This is very nice and funky and bluesy. It just has a very nice relaxing groove that is fun to listen to. This sounds like it’s more modern and it’s the kind of thing where even though it’s nothing really groundbreaking, it’s good just because the players are good and know what they want. I liked all the solos. 4 stars.
8. This has kind of a soundtrack quality to it. It sounds like it might be a jazz version of a popular song or something. The organ riff at 2:35 seconds was pretty cool but other than that this one was kind of forgettable to me. 3 stars.
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>>63231170
9. I hear a lot of gospel influence in this track right from the very beginning. This reminds me of some of Grant Green’s gospel albums. There’s actually some pretty good interplay going on between the guitar and the organ which I think makes this one pretty fun to listen to. 3.5 stars.

10. This sounds kind of like what I imagine The Jazz Messengers would sound like if they ever recorded an album with an organist. And with extra latin percussion too. This makes me think of some of those Blue Note hard bop albums that have some Latin flavor on them. I thought all the solos were pretty good but the sax solo seemed a little bland compared to the others. Still pretty good. 4 stars.
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>>63231043
>Track 5
Hearing how people react to the turntable stuff was one reason for picking this partucular track, interesting to see a positive response so far - I was thinking people might find it horribly dated.

>Track 6
It's certainly a very rock style guitar solo, not really a prog group, though.
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>>63227599
>I didn't think we were coming across as snobby or anything doing this
What's this about? Did I miss something?

And in my opinion, on /mu/ you already get judged for your tastes only; some people write off jazz beforehand because they consider it wankery, or music people like to feel smarter, as I've read in this board. I don't know about the rest of the jazz community in here though.
Personally, I like these threads, they've helped me discover some really cool stuff and also in how I pay attention to music now. You guys are pretty handy at staying on topic and discussing jazz in general. Wish there was more stuff like this on /mu/
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>>63231130
Track 1 is indeed Grant on guitar and a Blue Note releases - recorded just days after Green's Blue Note debut actually.
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>>63231238
>horribly dated
It's definitely horribly dated - you couldn't get away with making something that sounds like that now - but I love that sound. I like hip-hop from all different eras, but production-wise the late eighties/early nineties will always be my favourite
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>>63231251

I remember some people in other threads saying how snobby /blindfold/s are.

I think it's just the general stigma associated with jazz - if it was about figuring out whether a riff was played by Jimmy Page or Tony Iommi or something I bet people would see it very differently.
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just bumping with an organ driven release from 2016

I listened to my fair share of Hammond driven soul jazz when I started getting into jazz, but I never was a huge fan of any classic Dr. Lonnie Smith albums, so for my money he's been releasing some of the best music of his career in recent years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWDlpJvB-A
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>>63230640
Yahel is pretty great. I mostly know him from the Criss Cross albums he plays on but he's got a lot of other stuff too.

>>63231884
Speaking of Criss Cross, Dr. Lonnie's Criss Cross recording is one of my favorites too. It's pretty traditional organ trio fare but what I really love is how he changes the texture of the organ with the drawbars to really make the pieces dynamic. That's what I wanted to hear on the Larry Young track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVyhC07bwog
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>>63228633
>>63231043
I'm glad you guys could join in again this week. Which one was your favorite track?

>>63230107
Favorite track?

>>63231884
I've been meaning to listen to this. It's good?
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>>63231884
I've seen this around, I should give him another try and this new record seems like the thing to do it with.

On a side note, what are some good labels for contemporary jazz?
I know about ACT, Criss Cross and Clean Feed who are releasing a good number of records. Also some more classic labels like Blue Note or ECM who still release stuff, but that's about it.
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>>63232013

that sure is a lot of vibrato in the solo, pretty bold choice, I think - also heard here on his take on Softly from that album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvcLtunmT_s
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>>63232109
first and second ones

(quoting is hard)
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>>63232109
My favorite was definitely track 2.

>>63232137
If you like Clean Feed and ACT you should definitely check out Pi records; their releases are pretty consistently good and boundary-pushing. If you're more into free jazz/free improv stuff RogueArt is a good label to keep an eye on. Or Rune Grammofon for the European side of things.

If you like Criss Cross and more traditional type of stuff some other labels to check out are SteepleChase, High Note, and Posi-Tone.

>>63232159
That's probably my favorite track from the album actually. Maybe you've noticed by my goal is to turn you on to the Criss Cross stuff.
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>>63232293
>My favorite was definitely track 2.

Oh I guess this was kind of obvious from reading yours. My bad.
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>>63232293
Thank you, those catalogs look nice to dig into.
I'm also trying to get a broader view on more modern stuff and maybe make a list so this comes in handy.
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>>63232137

here are some less well known European labels I personally follow:

Edition Records - mostly melodic European jazz, many Nordic artists. Some artists have been moving between ACT and Edition in recent years, Marius Neset went from Edition to ACT and Verneri Pohjola from ACT to Edition.

TUM Records - a Finland based label, label head Petri Haussila is a successful lawyer and a partner in a New York based law firm and one of the top 200 richest people in Finland, so he can afford to release noncommercial jazz in absolutely beautiful CD's with extensive liner notes. My favorite label for great looking physical CD releases these days in any genre. Somewhat known in the US, they have some distribution and marketing there. Releases music from US artists like Wadada Leo Smith, Barry Altschul and Andrew Cyrille as well as avant-garde leaning Finnish music. Atrocious lead times between recording sessions and releases due to Haussila being busy with his law stuff, though, there are some albums I've been waiting to get released for like two years now.

Gondwana Records - a small Manchester based label with both contemporary melodic stuff as well as spiritual jazz from artists like Gondwana Orchestra and Nat Birchall - they haven't released that many records, but I think pretty much everything they've put out is interesting

Rune Grammofon - a Norwegian label that puts out mostly genre-bending stuff - Fire! Orchestra is their most well known act, so worth checking out if you like music like that

Moserobie - a Swedish label lead by sax player Jonas Kullhammar - another small label that puts out a lot of stuff I find consistently interesting to check out
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bumping with the list of past week's themes, which is now included in the updated pastebin. Just thought I'd post it here too for fun.

Sep. 28- BLUE NOTE (JTG)
Oct. 5- ALTO SAX (BLINDFOLDTEST)
Oct. 12- LIVE (JTG)
Oct. 19- SOLO JAZZ (AMBASSADOR SATCH)
Oct. 26- TRUMPET (BLINDFOLDTEST)
Nov. 2- MEDIUM ENSEMBLES (JTG)
NOV. 9- WILDCARD (BLINDFOLDTEST)
Nov. 16- POPULAR SONGS (JAZZPOSSU)
Nov. 23- MONK TUNES (JTG)
Nov. 30- IMPULSE! (BLINDFOLDTEST)
Dec. 7- 2015 JAZZ (JTG)
Dec. 14- JAZZ DEDICATIONS (AMBASSADOR SATCH)
Dec. 21- CHRISTMAS JAZZ (JTG)
Dec. 28- PIANO TRIOS (TUESDAY ANON)
Jan. 4- WILDCARD (AMBASSADOR SATCH)
Jan. 11- CHORDLESS RECORDINGS (JTG)
Jan. 18- SOUNDTRACK JAZZ (JAZZPOSSU)
Jan. 25- PIANO TRIOS PT. 2 (TUESDAY ANON)
Feb. 1- LATIN JAZZ (JTG)
Feb. 8- BLUE NOTE (BLINDFOLDTEST)
Feb. 15- FLUTE JAZZ (JAZZPOSSU)
Feb. 22- VOCAL JAZZ (AMBASSADOR SATCH)
Mar. 4- WILDCARD (JTG)

As you can see it would be really nice to bring some new blood to the track selection job. Or if anybody has suggestions for themes that they don't necessarily want to make themselves maybe somebody else would be interested in doing that theme.
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>>63232725
Oh and I thought it might also be a cool idea to re-do past themes but with someone new picking the tracklist if anybody is interested in that.
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>>63232293

For me, Unity is really the gold standard of high level 60's organ jazz. I was originally playing with the thought of going really deep on 70's Larry Young fusion weirdness with Love Cry Want, but I just had to put a Unity track there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPtSC0Hsnc

Hehe, there are some Criss Cross albums I like (hey, I went out of my way to put a Criss Cross release in this Blindfold list, too) - I've definitely changed my mind about so many albums with time that I believe that it's always worthwhile to try to understand stuff I don't get.

Pi Recordings is pretty great - I should check out more of their stuff, but their releases are very poorly available in this corner of the world and they are not on any streaming services and I try to limit downloading to support music I like seeing published.

Have you heard the new Dan Weiss album? I was really impressed with his playing when I saw him live with Rudresh Mahanthappa playing the Gamak material and have been meaning to get his new one.
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Will be joining in next 2 hours. Bump
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>track one
Pretty standard 12 bar blues. Nothing wrong with this sort of thing but it doesn’t strike me as particularly spectacular. Probably off some 50s blue note album.
The guitar solo was my favourite although for a lot of the sax solo I was distracted by the accompaniment. I don’t think the guitarist was necessary for this part. His playing struck me as awkward and he seemed to be playing around with that descending riff for nearly the entire thing and I didn’t think it fit particularly well. The organ comping was pretty standard but the bit around 3:20 when he moves more towards the right hand for that little repeated phrase is annoying. Like, the guitarist stops what he’s doing for a bit and kind of joins in but it all just sounds naff to my ears.
Bar some issues with the comping, the track was good albeit cliché.

>Track two
The sax was the highlight of this for me. The execution of the head was good, it’s done all subdued and when he comes out of it into the solo, there’s a nice lead in where he starts evolving the phrasing so there’s a really nice continuity to the solo which he keeps up for pretty much the whole solo. He plays around with the development of ideas and doesn’t drop a lot of individual phrases without following them up.
Same comments with the trumpet. Solo was constructed well, nice play with dynamics, dramatic use of high notes and some pretty virtuosic runs.
The organ solo was good but I was more interested in his accompaniment. The bass is very low in the mix so it’s hard to tell how close to the changes he was sticking but it sounded like he was going off piest quite a bit in response to where the solos were going which I really liked. It was very dissonant at times but it was all brought around to more conventional playing which released a lot of tension.
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>>63232906
>Track three (my fav of the bunch)
>ElevatorMusic.exe
Pretty sure I heard this in an episode of SpongeBob or some similar show as a kid. I’m in a library writing this and I nearly broke out laughing when it came on. So I mean, from that perspective, I was happier going out of this than I was going in.
>track four
Standard 16 bar blues but I feel this one is executed better than the first track. The setup is a little bit less informal and the players a bit tighter as a unit. He certainly never really stagnated but I don’t think 6 mins soloing on a blues was really necessary. The guy is good and I enjoyed his playing for most of the track but for a studio session, he probs should have either written something a bit more structured or at least have given someone else a solo. Probably blue note.
>Track five
Welp, I don’t think I’ve ever heard turntables in a jazz track before. I think I know why though… This was kind of like an instrumental hip-hop track with an organ solo instead of a rap.
>Track six
Bitta fusion. I don’t recognise the track but I think there’s a jazz rock band it reminds me of. It’s more on the rock end of the spectrum but I don’t have a problem with that. I bet jtg won’t be crazy about this one though. The guitarist is channelling Hendrix but he’s not got that sort of freedom of music theory that Hendrix has to his soloing. It’s still entertaining though and he was my favourite thing about this. He’s just playing a vamp for where he accompanies the organ but in comparison to track 1, it fits the track much better.
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>>63232925
>Track seven
Organ works well in this sort of context, the tone just sounds fantastic with funk. I liked this one, it was very chill and the bluesy progression gave room for the guys to stretch out without sounding boring. Good production on it too. The drums were really well recorded and I can’t fault the mixing at all.
>Track eight
It’s funny, rhythm guitarists pop up in rock all the time but off the top of my head I can’t think of any jazz ensembles I’ve ever heard where the soloist doesn’t also double as a rhythm. It’s nice that they’re basically freed up to solo together though I do wish though I’m not sure it actually added all that much. I was usually either focusing on one or the other because it doesn’t seem like they were actually following each other all that well.
I’m not sure if the guitar solo afterwards means that what he was doing was “comping”. If it was, I’d probably just have decked the guitarist if I was the organ player.
>Track 9
Unimaginative and bland. It’s not unpleasant but the only thing that stood out to me was the guitar but this particularly good showcase of anyone here's talents.
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>>63232725
I've been playing around with a "no drums" (trios or larger) list, but I feel like it needs some more really interesting picks, but I should have that ready in the near future

I could also do a Q1 2016 European release thingy if there's interest in that sort of thing.

If we want to revisit themes, I'd be up for doing Impulse!
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>>63232955
>Track 10
This is tight. There’s been a lot of bluesy tracks this week but this was so exciting I didn’t mind another. The guitar player is fire. Is that Wes? He has that lovely round and warm tone Wes gets form his fingerstyle playing.
There’s a lot of players on this track. Two chordal instruments which both comp over the horn solos as well as the bass, percussion and drums but things never really get cluttered which is impressive and means we get all this colour and detail without it getting muddy. Prospective Wes is good at not getting tangled in the organ playing. He’s well the best thig about this track, I wish he’d had more solo time.
Organ players sure do like their long sustained notes…something about the instrument just seems to bring it out of pianists it seems but I liked it here.
It’s a sign of a good track when my biggest criticism is that this is way too short. Everyone is playing well but the soloists are only getting going when they’re cut off.

>overall impressions
I'm happy for having been exposed to more music played on the organ but the only ones I see myself maybe checking out are 2 and 10. They'll probably go somewhere in the backlog.
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>>63232655
Swell too, thanks.
>>63232725
Nice.
Personally I don't think I could come up with a theme for next week now but maybe in the following threads I could try something.

I think jazz from Asia could be an interesting theme, it generally doesn't get as much attention as America or Europe (though the movement isn't as big either I suppose).
Most stuff I've been able to find was usually from Japan and tended more towards free jazz and free improv (sometimes borderline noise) and I don't think a blindfold full of that is a nice idea.
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>>63233000
I remember some guy posting this Japanese sax player who'd go around subways in the wee hours of the morning and imitate the trains screeching to a halt.
It was proper funny and he got so many looks from passers by.
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>>63232925

>Track 4
Interesting that this is giving several of you Blue Note vibes - I guess it's due to that Van Gelder touch. This label is for me the one that first comes to mind when thinking about 60's organ driven soul-jazz.
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>>63233066
lel
do you have the link?

Also some more organ:
https://youtu.be/890IdiOOVKM
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>>63233000

hey, don't forget the high-energy nu/club jazz like Soul and "Pimp" Sessions and such

I'd definitely be interested in listening to a Japanese jazz list if someone is well versed in it
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>>63232856
>I was originally playing with the thought of going really deep on 70's Larry Young fusion weirdness
Have you heard Lawrence of Arabia?

>hey, I went out of my way to put a Criss Cross release in this Blindfold list, too
Ah so track 7 is a Peter Bernstein thing. I wondered when you said that you were surprised I didn't recognize those players. But I was sure it wasn't Mel Rhyne or Same Yahel who are the main players I think of for organ jazz on Criss Cross. Well played. I haven't listened to Larry Goldings very much but he sounds great on this track.

>Have you heard the new Dan Weiss album?
Not yet. I've been pretty busy this past week and haven't heard any new releases. I'm looking forward to it though.
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Hey guys, does anyone have a link for this?
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>>63232655
>label head Petri Haussila is a successful lawyer and a partner in a New York based law firm and one of the top 200 richest people in Finland

Didn't know this about TUM. Pretty interesting. I think some of the best music comes out of labels like this where the label isn't concerned about turning a profit and is just there to get good music out there. It's one of the reasons I like Criss Cross so much. If I were wealthy I would definitely start my own record label.
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>>63232995
>Track 10

It's indeed a very tight track - I've always felt like it was specifically made to be a 7'' cut since it's so short for being released in 1970 and it's not really taking any risks. It was only released as a B-side of a shortened cut of a contemporary hit song cover, though.
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>>63229826
Oh my God. This is maybe the most bizarre cover of Caravan I've ever heard. It feels almost egyptian.
Then it just goes into double time as it feels like it's ending and starts to sound like Jewish jazz.
wtf is evening happening here? >>63229992
>Well once again I’m going to question some of the comments that Jazzpossu makes about some of my selections but then includes something like this on his
>>63229992
>Well once again I’m going to question some of the comments that Jazzpossu makes about some of my selections but then includes something like this on his
Proper wigs on the green up in here.
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>>63233196
I could probably come up with 10 tracks in some weeks I guess.
>>63233205
Have you heard Lawrence of Arabia?
that's the film though
>>63233232
It's on soulseek.
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>>63233096
It's got to be Prestige then right? Either Jack McDuff or Richard Holmes? Both have a ridiculous number of soul jazz records out on that label.
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>>63233384
>that's the film though
haha good catch
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>>63233187
I'll see if I can find it. The guy who posted it was presenting it as this wonderful piece of avant-garde genius. Oh man I was just cracking up.
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>>63232993
Those all sound like good ideas. I think revisiting old themes is a great idea too. Especially since it becomes harder and harder to think of new theme ideas that I could feasibly make a full tracklist for.
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>>63233394
Right on, and it is indeed Groove Holmes
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>>63233432
>>63233187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLMgOcM4Ngc&ab_channel=Kjreilly
Oh my God I seriously love this. This guy is a fucking riot.
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>>63233000
>I think jazz from Asia could be an interesting theme
That would be cool if anybody knows enough about Asian jazz. You're right that maybe a full playlist of free improv wouldn't go over the best but if there was a good mix it could be cool.
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>>63233205

yeah, I dig Lawrence of Newark, it's one of the better "out there" 70's albums I think - I was also considering that one as an option
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>>63233518
haha this is awesome

he should collaborate with the door that sounds like 70's Miles
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>>63233518
lol 10/10

trve patrician jazz
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>>63233598
Holy shit I'd forgotten all about that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwOipTXvNNo&ab_channel=Mr.King
for the uninitiated.
Especially towards the end, it's sad how on point the door is.
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>>63233518
this is great
>>63233524
Yeah, I have a few tracks here and there of not-so-out-there stuff but doesn't amount to 10. I have a few records to check out from Japan so I'm hoping to have enough stuff to make a playlist of eventually.
Of course there's always the chance of someone else making it. That'd be cool to as I prefer listening to stuff.
>>63233685
holy fuck
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>>63233518
haha pretty good.

Ben Gerstein has some funny stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoRtPRPznZM
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>>63233904
I love this sort of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IumkoOmMpTU&ab_channel=Civavijus
There's just something wonderful about the immaturity of it. Wouldn't you just love to be mates with the guy who goes out onto main roads and imitates car horns?
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calling track 3 as "So Nice (Summer Samba)" played by Walter Wanderley. he backed Astrud Gilberto on the vocal version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Rm11Bl8xQ
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>>63234276
yup, it is indeed Wanderley's instrumental version
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just bumping and posting some stuff I considered for the list:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ak9DdWEHU

Big John Patton making a comeback in the 90's with John Zorn of all people on alto sax is such a bizarre thing to have happened, that it was certainly an intriguing one
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>>63234319
now that all the Wanderley information is in the thread, I'll share this little /blindfold/-related tidbit

in Vince Guaraldi's Downbeat Blindfold from March 1965, he namedrops Wanderley as the one guy he's heard who can play bossa nova on the organ while giving Cal Tjader and Clare Fischer two stars for their efforts - this is almost a year before Creed Taylor brought Wanderley to the US to record for Verve after being persuaded by Tony Bennett

maybe not all that interesting of a detail, but a somewhat cool thing I noticed when reading old blindfolds while compiling this list
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Does anyone know what happened to that anon who wanted to get people playing jazz on the same day /blindfold/ is?
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>>63234841
You can find a lot of cool little details in reading old Downbeats. A while ago I was checking out a 1968 issue and reading a review of a Bill Evans concert at Ronnie Scott's club in London. At the end he mentions the opening act which included Dave Holland (who nobody knew at the time) but who had apparently just been "discovered" by Miles Davis the night before.
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>>63235427
cool stuff

also, Jack DeJohnette playing melodica mentioned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh8NpcsxWzo
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One last bump before bed

https://youtu.be/iqhN6rvfJt4
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>>63235427
Man that's so cool.
>DeJohnette playing melodica
>young Dave Holland
>Bill Evans
The sort of concert you'd visit if you were a time traveller.
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olde tyme organ bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIvtKiNw-vU
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>>63232725
have you not done a guitar week yet? seems like a good idea for one
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>>63237124
I guess we haven't. It does seem like a good idea for a theme.
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I don't know anything about jazz, any recommendations for stuff with good drums and overall active and energetic music? Don't know how else to put it.
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>>63238818
you already know
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>>63240049
Eric Harland is by far the best modern drummer. He's just such an incredible sideman, he just brings so much creativity to the all the albums I've ever heard him on.
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>>63240315
Name the great ones, man. Only heard Destinations Unknown
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>>63240373
That Alex Sipiagin one>>63240049
Chris Potter - The Sirens
Zhenya Strigalev - Robbin Goodie
Dave Holland - Prism
Are all pretty fantastic and his drumming on them is exceptional.
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Hey everyone, I'm excited to join this, will post my impressions later <3
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>>63240373
His Voyager album is very good but as far as sideman appearances here are a few really good ones:

Dave Holland- Pass It On
Chris Potter- The Sirens
Zhenya Strigalev- Robin Goodie
Charles Lloyd- Sangam
Kurt Rosenwinkel- Reflections

plus any of the SFJazz Collective records he plays on.

>>63240315
He really is incredible but I've been a little disappointed with where he's chosen to focus his attention the past few years. He seems to be doing a lot more R&B type stuff these days. I was really hoping I'd be hearing him on at least 3 or 4 Criss Cross releases every year.
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So is this the main jazz thread?

What kind of classical do jazz fans listen to? What jazz should I recommend to my friend who won't listen to any because he thinks that anything labeled "classical" is automatically superior?
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>>63240650
Cool. Glad to have you on board.

>>63241073
I like Debussy. Maybe you could get him to listen to some Bill Evans.
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>>63240674
It'd be great to have him in that sort of setting or maybe with some more ECM players but his performance on Robin Goodie is good enough that I'm happy to say he's still best drummer in the world right now and he's probably got a lot more great records ahead of him.
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>>63241073
Romantic period is probably my fave. Brahms is bae.
You should get him to listen to Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue. It's a great example of a classical musician playing jazz and probably one of the greatest pieces of music ever composed.
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Also we're trying to keep the thread up until tomorrow so if anybody can keep help keep the thread bumped that would be nice.
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>>63241073
I've been very into string quartets lately Beethoven's, Bartok's, and Shostakovich's are all great. If your friend really thinks that classical music is inherently superior then there's probably no point. Maybe he'll grow up in a year or two.
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>>63241270
Yeah and he's still pretty young. I'm sure he'll play on a lot of great stuff in coming years.
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>>63240636
Wait so other people actually like that sipiagin besides jtg? I just thought he was the one spamming it all the time.
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>>63243707
I think it's pretty good. Also bump.
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>>63243707
everyone on here just takes their taste from jtg which is funny because he has pretty rotten taste in jazz

but also sad because personal discovery is a huge part of understanding jazz music and this entire cult of personality robs that and so all jazz threads are now shit like this where everyone jerks off over bland crap because they don't know any better and have no interest in learning about things for themselves
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>>63244167
So why don't you join in and tell us why the music is bland? Or make us a playlist of better jazz?
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Last bump before I need to sleep
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>>63244167
So if you're not interested in discussing music or sharing and finding new music then what exactly is your goal in coming to /mu/?
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>>63245310
i'm interested in sharing music, but it's impossible to have a conversation with your plebby dickriders and cohorts unless i want to talk about bill evans for 24 hours straight
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>>63232725
I've got a few tracks picked out and could probably have ten by next week if it's not too early for another wildcard? Don't think I've got a wide enough knowledge at this stage to do a themed one, although I'd quite like to do a British jazz theme at some point in future.
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>>63246039
Want to help keep the thread bumped for a few hours?
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>>63246236
Yeah I'll be about.
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Bumping with my favorite jazz album with an organ:
https://youtu.be/6gvIfX3-vDE
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>>63247103
Lol, this album is fucking shit. get the fuck out of my thread.
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>>63247468
>:(
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Bumping with the most over the top organ jazz I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsPwXCbejUc
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>>63245363
You should keep whining. Everyone is more likely to listen to the music you're suggesting if you've got a negative attitude .
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>>63247590
That was probably this idiot >>63244167
trying to cause trouble because nobody responded to his lazy trolling
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>>63248053
I'm pretty sure Jazzposu doesn't write like that. Probably someone else yeah.
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>>63240650
I wonder what happened to this guy. I guess I'll probably post the reveal pretty early today if it seems like nobody else is going to join in
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Is Jazzposu done with that sextets setlist or is someone else making it this week?
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>>63248447
I made it this week
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Punp

I like this picture
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Well here's the playlist for next week. Sextet theme.

http://www114.zippyshare.com/v/klFPiuQJ/file.html

Doesn't seem like anybody else is going to join in for this week's so I guess I'll start posting the reveal.
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Track 1:
Baby Face Willette - Swingin' At Sugar Ray's

from Face to Face
Blue Note - 1961

Baby Face Willette - organ
Fred Jackson - tenor sax
Grant Green - guitar
Ben Dixon - drums

Baby Face Willette came from Chicago to New York in 1960 and got to participate on some Blue Note sessions - Grant Green's debut album Grant's First Stand and Lou Donaldson's Her 'Tis - that then lead him to make two albums as a leader for Blue Note.

Swingin' At Sugar Ray's is the opening track from the first one Face to Face - a fairly straight forward swinging soul-jazz groover. Recorded just two days after Grant's First Stand at Van Gelder Studio it features the same trio of Willette, Green and Ben Dixon on drums and adds Fred Jackson on tenor. It has a very similar sound to it, so those familiar with Green's discography may recognize this group based on that recording. Swingin' At Sugar Ray's also bears some resemblance to Miss Ann's Tempo with Willette playing some very similar licks here.

Willette didn't record much - besides the four Blue Note records all recorded in the first half of 1961, he only released two trio albums on Argo in the mid 60's and died relative early in 1971.
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Track 2:
Larry Young - Softly As In A Morning Sunrise

from Unity
Blue Note - 1965

Larry Young - organ
Woody Shaw - trumpet
Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone
Elvin Jones - drums

Larry Young was the most succesful organist of the 1960's to take Hammond organ away from the traditional soul jazz style playing with a more modal approach. The Unity album is generally considered his masterpiece with great performances by Woody Shaw, Joe Henderson and Elvin Jones.

After Unity Young would increasingly participate in more experimental sessions with fusion and rock flavors.

I think Softly As In a Morning Sunshine was the first Larry Young I ever heard. When I was getting into jazz, I was listening to a lot of John Zorn related musician and Marc Ribot's angular take on this Rodgers-Hammerstein song on the Yo! I Killed Your God -album caught my ear leading me to seek out more versions of the tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAemn27khAg
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Track 3:
Walter Wanderley - Summer Samba

from Rain Forest
Verve - 1966

Walter Wanderley - organ
Jose Marino - bass
Claudio Slon - drums
Bobby Rosengarden - percussion

Besides soul jazz, the Hammond organ has also been used widely in easy listening and lounge type music. With the bossa nova interest still riding high in the mid-60's, brazilian organist Walter Wanderley was discovered by Tony Bennet who got producer Creed Taylor to take note and bring Wanderley to record in the US.

Summer Samba (Smaba de Verao) was the first single release on Verve and it became a huge radio hit and the album Rain Forest became a platinum seller.
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Track 4:
Richard "Groove" Holmes - Misty

from Soul Message
Prestige - 1965

Richard "Groove" Holmes - organ
Gene Edwards - guitar
Jimmie Smith - drums

Jazz fans today are likely to know Bob Weinstock's Prestige records from the Miles, Coltrane and Monk releases, but they were also one of the labels that pushed soul jazz in the 60's with many notable releases from Hammond organists like Jack McDuff, Shirley Scott and Richard "Groove" Holmes featured here on track 4.

Errol Garner's composition Misty was originally composed as an instrumental ballad in the mid-50's then became a big hit for crooner Johnny Mathis with lyrics by Johnny Burke selling over 2.5 million copies. Later on in the 70's Ray Stevens won a Grammy for Music Arrangement of the Year with an uptempo banjo-and-steel-guitar country version.

Holme's swinging double time version was also a jukebox hit in it's own right as a two minute single edit cut from this longer version from the Soul Message LP.
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Track 5:
Medeski, Martin & Wood - Sugar Craft

from Combustication
Blue Note - 1998

John Medeski - keyboards
Chris Wood - bass
Billy Martin - drums
DJ Logic - turntables

Medeski, Martin & Wood emerged from New York in the 90's finding cross-over success with their blend of infectious grooves and more avant-garde leanings among jam band fans and becoming probably the most widely known example of a new generation of organ driven jazz.

Combustication from 1998 was their first album for Blue Note and added DJ Logic on turntables on some tracks like the opener Sugar Craft.

Combustication was one of the first jazz albums I ever bought so it has a lot of nostalgia for me - I'm interested in hearing how badly you guys think the turntable stuff dates this track.
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Track 6:
Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash - Sex Fiend

from Cold Spell
Knitting Factory Works - 1997

Wayne Horvitz - organ
Timothy Young - guitar
Fred Chalenor - bass
Andy Roth - drums

Wayne Horvitz is probably best remembered as the keyboard player for John Zorn's Naked City. After he moved from New York to the Pacific Northwest in the mid-90's, his primary group was Hammond organ driven Zony Mash, named by a Meters funk track from the 70's. The band mostly played original compositions, but here they cover John Zorn's Sex Fiend originally recorded by Naked City on the Radio album. One of the highlight moments of this mostly forgotten group.
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Track 7:
Peter Bernstein, Larry Goldings, Bill Stewart - Carrot Cake

from Earth Tones
Criss Cross - 1998

Larry Goldings - organ
Peter Bernstein - guitar
Bill Stewart - drums

Unlike the previous two organists of the 90's, Larry Goldings is more firmly rooted in tradition with a thoughtful and tasteful a little restrained approach to Hammond playing. This trio with Peter Bernstein on guitar and Bill Stewart has been playing together for about 25 years now making them probably the most enduring contemporary group in organ jazz.

This track, Carrot Cake, is from the album Earth Tones from 1998 with guitarist Bernstein as the leader.
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Track 8:
Shirley Scott - Messie Bessie

from Something
Atlantic - 1970

Shirley Scott - organ
Billy Butler - guitar
Eric Gale - guitar
Charles Rainey - bass
Jimmy Johnson - drums
Ralph MacDonald - congas

Shirley Scott's, nicknamed the "Queen of the Organ", most notable work was for Prestige and Impulse! in the late 50's and 60's with Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis and later her husband Stanley Turrentine on saxophone, but I wanted to have this track from the lesser known Atlantic release Something from 1970 as an example of how the style of Hammond driven jazz was changing in the late 60's.

Soul jazz was always pushed by record labels as a financially lucrative style that appealed to a wider commercial audience than hard bop, so it's no wonder that the sound changed once the record buying public increasingly abandoned jazz for rock. Apart from this Scott original, Something consists only of covers of contemporary hit songs.
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Track 9:
Jimmy Smith - I Got a Woman

from Home Cookin'
Blue Note - 1961

Jimmy Smith - organ
Kenny Burrell - guitar
Donald Bailey - drums

Can't have an organ blindfold without Jimmy Smith who popularized the Hammond organ as a jazz instrument in the 50's and is still probably the best known jazz organ player of all time. Jazz labels in those days knew to strike the iron while it was hot and Smith was a very prolific recording artist for Blue Note recording something like 25 albums for the label between 1956 and 1963.

Here is a great version of the Ray Charles tune I Got a Woman, recorded in 1958 and released on 1960 on the Home Cookin' album.
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Track 10:
Charles Earland - The Mighty Burner

from Black Talk!
Prestige - 1970

Charles Earland - organ
Houston Person - tenor saxophone
Virgil Jones - trumpet
Melvin Sparks - guitar
Buddy Caldwell - congas
Idris Muhammad - drums

Charles Earland started as a saxophone player who got interested in Hammond organ playing when playing with Jimmy McGriff learning to play organ during intermission breaks. Black Talk! released on Prestige in 1970 was his big breakthrough as a leader and in my opinion one of the better organ jazz recordings released in the 70's.

I've always thought that The Mighty Burner seemed like it was custom made to be a single release due to it's short three minute length, but it was only released as the B-side to a shorter single cut of a version of the hit song More Today Than Yesterday.
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>>63250421
I figured Shirley Scott had to be on there too
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>>63250406
also nice sneaky Criss Cross pick. I'm pretty sure I would have gotten one with Melvin Rhyne or Sam Yahel but this one got me.
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>>63250113
I've got a few playlists ready to go whenever you want to use them.

Piano Theme
Criss Cross Theme
Big Band Theme
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>>63252173
Those all sound good. I'll let you know when we can use those.
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>>63252103
>>63250406
I wasn't expecting a Criss Cross track for this theme either
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>>63252430
I've noticed that on the real blindfold tests these days they tend to put in at least one track from a Criss Cross album.

pic related is relevant to the thread
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do any of you people collect jazz on vinyl? Anybody have anything rare or cool?
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>>63253136
Never heard of him before.

>>63253761
No but I'd like to someday maybe.
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>>63250390
I've been just lurking the thread because I can never think of much to say about jazz but I just wanted to say I really liked this track.
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>>63253761
I've got a couple. Nothing ultra-rare or valuable but I've got Ellington at Newport and Mingus at Town Hall (featuring the wonderful Eric Dolphy) which I love.
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>>63232725
A bass feature theme could be good
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>>63254020
You should join in next week. Just say a little bit about why you like or dislike each track.

>>63254405
Themes that feature an instrument are always pretty good and make for good repeat-themes too.
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>>63253761
I'm not a collector or anything but if I'm near a record store I'll usually check out their used jazz selection. I recently found nice copies of Maiden Voyage and an album called Home by Ken McIntyre.
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>>63253761
Don't have anything rare, but the Live At The Village Vanguard pressing I have is the prime piece of my collection and gets played at least twice as much as any other record.
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shit looks like I missed this week but I will try to remember to do this next week
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>>63253761
>tfw original pressing of sun ship
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what would be the easiest instrument to pick up if I want to start playing jazz?
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>>63256864
how much did it cost?
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>>63250459
Highly reccing this whole album. Just got done listening to it.
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>>63256864
did you get it online? I can never find original pressings of cool stuff in physical record stores
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>>63241073
have you tried black saint and some other third stream?
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>>63256963
They really all have their own advantages and disadvantages in the long run.

Bass and drums might have the quickest learning curve. It's pretty easy to learn the basic guidelines of walking a bassline, but playing upright bass can be physically challenging at first. Electric bass is going to be a lot easier. Drums have an advantage because it's possible to get by without much knowledge of the harmonic theory (though every good jazz drummer should have a pretty solid harmonic grasp too). But limb independence can be tricky when starting out too.

For all the rest of the instruments you will need a pretty solid grasp of theory to get started. You will probably have to spend some time at the piano to get comfortable with the harmonic concepts so that can be a good choice too.

Really the thing to do is listen to a lot of jazz and find out which instrument resonates with you the most. But then realize that it's going to be a lot of hard work to even get up to the point of being able to make it through a standard without getting lost.
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>>63256963
piano is probably the best all around pick

drums might be easier but they're way more expensive
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>>63250459
>organ theme
>no Lonnie Smith

bad taste desu
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>>63257471
apparently Jazzpossu is not a fan of Dr. Lonnie's classic records
>>63231884
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>>63257289
>>63257390
thanks
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bumping this thread
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I know the answers are already posted but I'll go ahead and post my thoughts anyway since I wouldn't have guessed any of these players.

1. Nice. I love the swing and the old fashioned easy feel. It's a fun song.
2. This one is similar to the first one but has kind of adarker sound to it. The drumming on this stands out the most. It's really good.
3. This sounds like everything I hate about smooth jazz. It was really boring but luckily it wasn't that long.
4. This one was really good too in the same way as the first one. The band has a really nice swing that has a timeless feel.
5. This seemed kind of like smooth jazz too. Or more like hip hop I guess. I didn't really get this one.
6. I didn't get this one at all. It sounded more like rock than jazz. I wouldn't even call it jazz fusion. It was pretty bland.
7. This one was pretty good. It was simple but still enjoyable to listen to.
8. This one was kind of rock influenced too it seemed like but not bad. It kind of reminds me of Soft Machine or something.
9. Pretty good but kind of repetitive. Not as good as track 1 or 2.
10. I liked this one about the same as track 1 and 2. I like the addition of bongo drums and nice happy sounding brass.
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>>63259043
Thanks for joining in. The thread will be at the same time next week if you want to join in early.
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do you guys prefer the playlists to be more obscure stuff or more common jazz that will be easier to recognize?
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>>63259492
I like it best when there's a good mix. It's nice to discover some new things but it's also nice when there are some players you recognize too. I think it's cool when people include obscure tracks with well-known artists on them.
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one last bump
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>>63247468
Hey, it's an imposter! Do I need to start using a tripcode now? :(

For the record, I like Reid - especially Nova and Rhythmatism.

Glad to see the thread still alive.
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>>63253761
I don't know if I'd call myself a collector, but I do have a couple of hundred jazz records vinyl and I buy the vinyl for new albums if it's available.

Nothing really super cool or rare (unless obscure local releases count), some original pressing Impulse! Records and stuff like that.

Old jazz records are cool - I like owning them even if I do most of my listening digitally.
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>>63262782
It must have been this poster who seems to be mad about something>>63244167

pretty embarrassing t b h
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>>63262782
are you going to reveal the album/artist?
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>>63259492
Either one is cool, it's most rewarding to recognize a player without having heard the track before, but learning about new music is good too and having a solid ID on something gives a chance to talk about the musicians or tracks with a wider context.
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>>63262963
My reveal info and comments were posted above by BlindfoldTest. I'm currently enjoying some in-flight Wi-Fi so wasn't sure if I'd see this thread alive again much less get that stuff posted.

Thanks for everyone who participated, these Friday-Saturday threads seem to be working great!
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>>63254020
It's a bit of an outlier in Zony Mash's discography (although I recommend checking out a track called Withdrawal Symptoms from that album - it's a hoot), but if you're looking for similar music Naked City's Radio that has the original version is a fun album that usually gets overshadowed by their more aggressive stuff.
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Not sure if this still active, my internet was shitty last night.
1.- Very cheesy, in a very good way, reminds me of the 50s or something, really liking the organ, very atmospheric, energetic and balanced. when the guitar and then the sax (fucking orgasm). I love it.
2.-More misterious, loving the ambient that the organ delivers, it sounds like a song from some spy movie straight out the 60s and the sax really brings more emotion
3.- Tender song, really mellow and relaxing. Good use of the organ and the drums are surprisingly calming too. Not so good, not so bad
4.- We got the swingy tunes here, when I hear this song pictures of couples dancing to this tune come to my mind. Also feeling the rock influences here, a little repetitive I might say
5.- Definetely sounds recent. Feeling the beat hip hop influenced, or maybe this influenced? It may be. The organ is really cool, comes from behind like if its very shy but still you enjoy it like it's the main controller. Love it too.
6.-Actually the organ sounds very spy-ish to me, not so interesting, but it's decent.
7.- Bassy sound cautivated me, the guitar is also excellent, and the organ really makes a good team, kinda like smooth with cool jazz
8.-Can I say DAAAAMN. Again, the bassy sound really get me and the organ, Omfg. The drums are very simple but it gets the job and very good. The complexity that the organ can do is incredible, didn't expect to listen to this kind of sound, ever. Getting the vibes from some disco club from the 60s, dope.
9.- Blues to be there. and the guitar is very remarkable and the organ make a good team again, some western influences maybe?. Not like it but neither dislike it, it's just a good ol' song.
10.- Don't love the latino style but I'm really liking the grooves of it.
Fun listen overall, but not really the type of jazz I would listen continuously.
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>>63263538
Glad you could could make it back eventually. Hope you can come join in next week too.
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keeping this thread alive a little longer
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Nice surprise to find the thread still up when I got back from my gig. Good thread this week.
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>>63264169
Thanks!, I hope so, sometimes my schedule won't let me, but I'm glad that this kind of projects are getting attention :)
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Yes good thread this week. I hope to see everybody back next week.
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