ITT: Rockist jazz albums
>What's a rockist jazz album?
A jazz album from a selected group of popular jazz artists that rockists will claim are their "favorite" when cornered about their pathetic rock-centric taste
Example
>N-no I LOVE jazz, Coltrane, Davis, Ra, Sanders, the list goes on, I s-swear
No, stop. We can only have one dumb meme at a time.
>>63163980
>thread didn't go well yesterday
>posts it again today
why would you make this thread?
what's the point in wallowing in a false sense of self superiority and bitterness about petty shit like what other people enjoy?
since most of the people on this board have rock-centric taste, we already know most of the albums that could hypothetically be posted in such a thread and so it would be far more interesting if your enlightened self could post an example of a jazz album that does not pander to rockists
>>63164003
gonna get your message out there somehow
>N-no I like Dhafer Youssef I'm serious
Pathetic rockists, when will they learn.
>>63164024
Because that's /mu/ in a nutshell
>>63164025
Roll Call by Hank Mobley.
>>63164033
Autism at its finest.
>>63163980
every one i listen to. the entire musicsphere bubble is rockist.
I don't think Bitches Brew is exactly the kind of rockist jazz you've mentioned. It's pretty abrasive and avanty for a rock-centric tasted guy enjoy. They usually like In a Silent way better.
>>63163980
Do you post in /blindfold/?
glad you took the advice on using Bitches Brew instead of KoB as the image.
>>63163980
>>63164126
Never heard of it
first posercore now this
what a time to be alive
>>63164119
Nah, it's one of those "I love jazz I swear" since Radiohead.
op is sour and ill informed.
I'm a rockist and here are my favorite jazz records.
Why don't you share with us the jazz you listen to, since you obviously know a lot about this subject?
If you say something that isn't predictable, or even reply at all, I might go easy on you.
>>63164230
i've already asked this question and gotten a reply >>63164080
i don't know much about jazz or rock so i'm not doing any judging in this thread
you can take over if you want to
>>63164206
It's a weekly jazz discussion thread. Happens every Friday.
If you're interested in talking about jazz, you should join. You'll get more interesting responses than the sort one does posting bait threads.
Last weeks thread: https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S63062311
>>63164230
>Why don't you please for the love of god spoonfeed me
Why don't we have mods on /a/ that ban people like this?
Fun fact: 90% of fusion sucks
>people falling for copy pasta
Why cant we all just get along? Stop using music to feel superior to others. Music gets ugly when you make it about image
>>63164278
because literally this whole board revolves around recommening music and discussing the recommendations
>>63164320
Spoonfeeding is still spoonfeeding
We need to make a bannable ASAP
>>63164278
"Spoonfeed me". Lel, that's cute. I'm not understating at all when I say I have the highest and most varied jazz taste on this whole board and probably website. You aren't doing yourself any favors by spitting out this copy-pasted topic dodge. Come on, show me some semi-obscure 60's bebop you're busy googling, so I can laugh at you.
>>63164385
People namedrop albums they haven't actually listened to? Why would they do that?
>>63164385
Do you post in >>63164256 ?
>>63164437
I can think of many hypothetical reasons why somebody would. Can't you? Do you have any imagination at all?
>>63163980
Hot Rats
>>63164025
>we already know most of the albums that could hypothetically be posted in such a thread
Not OP but I'm interested to hear them. Is there a chart?
>>63164497
Most everyone don't want to post in your jazz threads. It feels more like homework than actual fun discussion.
Only 4 nerds are actually interested in your threads. I admire your dedication though. Keep on trucking, jazzman, Not him btw.
>>63164618
Because it's set tracks every week? It is kind of a pain having to find time to hear them but there is very little other good jazz discussion going around here unless you're really into talking about A Love Supreme and Karma all the time.
>>63164829
>>63164618
Also, pretty sure we got closer to 10 than 4 and the thread nearly hit bump limit last week.
Which, discounting shitposters is more than this thread will get and more than /jazz/ gets on a good day.
>>63164829
How does the "blindfold" thing work? I go into those threads every once and a while, but have never download the mega files.
>>63164962
It's like a book club, but someone taped brown paper over the cover of the book. And instead of books you're talking about music.
all jazz is rockist lmao
>>63164962
Tracks get posted on Friday based around a theme and selected by one of the participants. Over the week people listen to them and the next Friday, come by and post their thoughts on the tracks and guesses as to who is playing and discuss the tracks in general.
Then next weeks tracks are posted(if someone has a set together) and the track info for that week is posted.
>>63165033
Is actually not a bad description.
>>63165033
>>63165083
So do you not know the name of the artist/song and also is it a compilation?
>>63163980
this is a pretty limp attempt at bait
OP can't even argue that bitches brew is bad, only that it has crossover appeal (as if that's an insult)
>>63165430
>So do you not know the name of the artist/song
Nope
>is it a compilation?
Ehh, in the sense that the tracks are all taken from different releases, yeah.
I'm thinking of some high-tempo song played by a bop band, its melody seems to be pentatonic and goes like so ti do so ti do so ti so ti do ti so, anyone know what I'm thinking of?
>>63164025
>"Nah, I'm just gonna call others idiots, that'll improve the board for good"
>>63163980
fucking retard. miles and trane are revolutionary and some of the best musicians of all time.
>Coltrane, Davis, Ra, Sanders
>Ra
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http://jazztimes.com/articles/20174-radiohead-s-jazz-frequencies
>>63165913
that's pretty cool
>>63165747
yeah but not for their later shit that all the plebs on here jerks off to
>>63167120
you mean the albums that critics hail as masterpieces? Stop being a contrarian, it doesnt make you any smarter. In fact, it makes you a dumb ass.
>>63167120
Both of them were revolutionary and very very important till their end.
>>63165675
who are you quoting
serious question
>>63167158
"critics" also hail beyonces new album as a "masterpiece", there are always going to be plebs who cater to plebs, it's why music journalism is inherently flawed and why 80% of the people on this board like the same shit
it's pathetic how you disregard people who know more about jazz than you as contrarians
>>63167197
no, they weren't. Miles' big contributions were in the 50s and 60s, Coltrane stopped being relevant in around 63
People like Pharaoh Sanders, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra etc. etc. etc. are nobodies in the world of jazz and only appeal to plebs who eat journalist cum
>>63165595
How do you mark rhythm using solfege?
>>63167340
>Coltrane stopped being relevant in around 63
What a load of bullcrap. Trane was bringing the spiritual kind of jazz with a love supreme and that was very important and influenced a lot of people including duke ellington. He was also the biggest and most important free jazz musicians who many many black people looked up to as some sort of their leader. Seriously, saying that Coltrane stopped being relevant while he was one of the biggest jazz musicians of that time is so wrong.
And maybe miles wasn't doing much in the 80's but he was huge untill his retirement.
>>63167340
>Coltrane stopped being relevant in around 63
Are you seriously going to claim to not be a contrarian and in the same post claim that A Love Supreme is irrelevant in the jazz canon?
This is some next level traditionalism here. People who actually take this mindset to the extreme you have are a very insignificant minority and most of the stuff you've said in this post is lunacy.
>>63163980
who gives a shit
in a silent way and bitches brew are fucking phenomenal albums
>>63163980
Man why the fuck are jazz listeners always the most pretentious, self indulgent people?
>>63167611
because a lot of them are completely pathetic in most other aspects in life
>>63167611
Why are you so defensive about being a pleb?
>>63167661
Most rock listeners are defensive about their tastes.
>>63167611
Because while Jazz is good a lot of people just like it for the perceived status that it brings, similar to liking classical. Its the idea that listening to Jazz makes you cultured and intelligent when really no music genre inherently does that and it doesn't really give you status because nobody really gives a fuck. I hope the meme ends soon.
>>63167611
They're not. You forgot /classical/
>>63167644
>>63167721
And why do plebs always make these kinds of foxy grapes posts in defense of the defensive pleb?
>>63167755
because youre gay
>>63167755
i tip my fedora to you my fellow educated gentleman
>>63167793
>>63167775
You sure showed him! I bet he's seething as a result of all these witty remarks. Do you think he even gets that they're ironic?
>>63167865
You sure showed him! I bet he's seething as a result of all these witty remarks. Do you think he even gets that they're ironic?
>>63167865
You sure showed him! I bet he's seething as a result of all these witty remarks. Do you think he even gets that they're ironic?
>>63167925
>>63167896
You sure showed him! I bet he's seething as a result of all these witty remarks. Do you think he even gets that they're ironic?
>>63167755
Why do jazzplebs get so defensive when you say liking jazz doesnt make you a patrician?
>i-it does so make me a p-patrician! i-if you dont agree y-you're just a pleb!
>>63165595
Salt Peanuts
>>63167942
You sure showed him! I bet he's seething as a result of all these witty remarks. Do you think he even gets that they're ironic?
>>63167967
lol why is this thread still getting replies
we /dustyassmemes/ now or something
>>63167496
>Coltrane influenced Duke Ellington
Duke's post-war period is a prime example of jazz commercialism, its not important at all
>spiritual jazz
>important
And Coltrane was NOT an important free jazz musician because his take on free jazz was hokey. His big contribution was how he evolved traditional hard bop saxophone improvisation into a new expressionist style, it had nothing to do with his shitty free jazz
>>63167570
you really think being able to differentiate between good free jazz (Coleman, Paul Bley, Taylor, Lacy, etc.) and shitty schlock (late Coltrane, Sun Ra, Sanders) is "traditionalism"?
>>63167611
Because we're tired of one of the greatest art forms of the past hundred years being co-opted by self-indulgent exhibitionism, while the true geniuses get consistently ignored for refusing to brand themselves with ridiculous imagery and lowering themselves to the world of pop-music culture?
>>63168603
That you've lumped Coltrane in with Sanders and Ra says a lot about how attentively you've actually listened to this stuff.
Presumably you've listened to (and probably dislike) meditations? How would you describe Coltrane's playing on it?
>>63169089
the issue isn't his playing on his free-jazz stuff like Meditations, he's using the same experiments with rhythms and extended techniques, they're just applied in a much more boring context than when he was working with a semi-traditional rhythm section because there's no form of the piece to interact with, the entire thing is just a mess, there's no consequences of his improvisation, the entire thing is just an exercise in wasted effort
if you bothered to read my post, I only lumped him in with Sanders and Sun Ra because it completely misrepresents free jazz as people playing bad-sounding things in an "epic" way
>>63164225
>Big Fun
Nice. Don't see that album talked about a lot but it's really incredible.
I'm so fucking tired of seeing jazz threads like this.
If anyone's on board, I still want to get a weekly thread going on the same day as the /blindfold/ thread, but my idea is to encourage people to learn jazz.
Seriously, I bet the worst shitposters itt don't even know how to play. Maybe if we start getting people focused on jazz beyond its image, then all the shitposters would pollute this board less.
>>63169278
>the issue isn't his playing on his free-jazz stuff like Meditations
I'm just gonna quote this statement because I don't think there's actually an explanation in the world that could illustrate properly why this is ridiculous in a discussion about a jazz musician's work. You just gotta kind of intuit it.
>he's using the same experiments with rhythms and extended techniques
Experimentation is not and should not be the end goal of a piece of every piece of music nor does it need to be present for a piece of music to be good or even a masterpiece.
>they're just applied in a much more boring context than when he was working with a semi-traditional rhythm section because there's no form of the piece to interact with
For most of the time he's soloing, Coltrane is developing motifs and phrases. Take the little four note phrase he keeps coming back to throughout TFS&HG, at first it's played with a sort of Albert Ayler like innocence but each time he comes back to it he changes it a little bit. He's transposing it around the instrument but he's also messing around with dynamics, timbre, rhythm, he starts adding grace notes and by the time his solo has moved on, he still references it in a few of his licks.
There's enough interplay that it's really irrelevant that there isn't much in the way of prewritten form. Follow the drums in particular. the two of them are listening very attentively for where the dramatic arc of Coltrane's solo is going.
Sanders' solo is admittedly not great and he spends a lot of it practicing his pig squeal impersonation but that opening ostinato that carries over to Compassion is cool if only for the part around 2 mins in where Coltrane picks it up and uses it as a springboard for some of his soloing.
It's a very dissonant track but there's a hell of a lot going on and Coltrane displays pretty clearly his facility as a great improvisor in how sophisticated he can make his ideas.
